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Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 679	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:32:00 - [1] - Quote I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:34:00 - [2] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 679	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:36:00 - [3] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 514	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:36:00 - [4] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. Heavies are like tanks why should we be soloed? I don't have 1500hp for you to kill me in 2 seconds with a RR. Thanks CCP Foxfour
jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:38:00 - [5] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. Its just unfair that there is no way to counter one exept another heavy, which is why tanks are op, a proto suit should be abke to defend himself or you will never see a protosuit ever again, its too much isk to insta lose, my hmg is too op atm I can kill proto galogis... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Tectonic Fusion 1256	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:38:00 - [6] - Quote It should take at least 2 clips with a rail rifle to kill us heavys... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 516	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:38:00 - [7] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. Its just unfair that there is no way to counter one exept another heavy, which is why tanks are op, a proto suit should be abke to defend himself or you will never see a protosuit ever again, its too much isk to insta lose, my hmg is too op atm I can kill proto galogis... Ps Who said rail rifle.... jerrmy go away. Thanks CCP Foxfour
jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:39:00 - [8] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: It should take at least 2 clips with a rail rifle to kill us heavys... Who said I want to solo with a rr? I just want a fair cance to defend myself Drcrease price of all infantry gear would fix it. Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 1056	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:39:00 - [9] - Quote heavies with light weapons are a joke. always have been. HMG is OP because any decent heavy instantly melts any suit in the game in his range, combine with LAV and the only way you're countered is a blaster tank, or by multiple infantry. pretty sure that's the definition of OP- skyrocketed DPS compared to all other weapons. Much higher ehp. the only flaw(speed and range) being easily worked around and abused. I've thought hmgs were OP ever since the damage buff, then they got the extra 400rpm. Now the TTK with an HMG is instantaneous on any suit except max tanked heavies, which are still melted in less than a second and a half.(count to a second and a half, is that a lot? no, its still pretty much that you cant turn around.) The problem is simply that the dps is too damn high, let heavies be tanky, but reduce dps by a substantial amount, and buff the range of the heavy accordingly, it shouldn't HAVE to abuse an LAV on an open map, and it shouldn't be CERTAIN INSTA death in CQC. Your post is making me facepalm very hard right now.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:40:00 - [10] - Quote TunRa wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. Its just unfair that there is no way to counter one exept another heavy, which is why tanks are op, a proto suit should be abke to defend himself or you will never see a protosuit ever again, its too much isk to insta lose, my hmg is too op atm I can kill proto galogis... Ps Who said rail rifle.... jerrmy go away. Its true Why do you think tanks are so op...bring in a tank to kill another tank. Honestly its the tank argument all over again Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.

jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:41:00 - [11] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: heavies with light weapons are a joke. always have been. HMG is OP because any decent heavy instantly melts any suit in the game in his range, combine with LAV and the only way you're countered is a blaster tank, or by multiple infantry. pretty sure that's the definition of OP- skyrocketed DPS compared to all other weapons. Much higher ehp. the only flaw(speed and range) being easily worked around and abused. I've thought hmgs were OP ever since the damage buff, then they got the extra 400rpm. Now the TTK with an HMG is instantaneous on any suit except max tanked heavies, which are still melted in less than a second and a half. The problem is simply that the dps is too damn high, let heavies be tanky, but reduce dps by a substantial amount, and buff the range of the heavy accordingly, it shouldn't HAVE to abuse an LAV on an open map, and it shouldn't be CERTAIN INSTA death in CQC. Exactly... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8346	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:43:00 - [12] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. You and I both know how strong heavies are going to be though don't we. I mean even with the TTK changes the heavy would have been that much more viable for someone like you.....but those bonuses are even better. Disclaimer: I NEVER SAID OP, just good, nobody should misconstrue this as me making an OP claim of some **** like that " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Tectonic Fusion 1257	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:44:00 - [13] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: heavies with light weapons are a joke. always have been. HMG is OP because any decent heavy instantly melts any suit in the game in his range, combine with LAV and the only way you're countered is a blaster tank, or by multiple infantry. pretty sure that's the definition of OP- skyrocketed DPS compared to all other weapons. Much higher ehp. the only flaw(speed and range) being easily worked around and abused. I've thought hmgs were OP ever since the damage buff, then they got the extra 400rpm. Now the TTK with an HMG is instantaneous on any suit except max tanked heavies, which are still melted in less than a second and a half.(count to a second and a half, is that a lot? no, its still pretty much that you cant turn around.) The problem is simply that the dps is too damn high, let heavies be tanky, but reduce dps by a substantial amount, and buff the range of the heavy accordingly, it shouldn't HAVE to abuse an LAV on an open map, and it shouldn't be CERTAIN INSTA death in CQC. It should be an insta death if they shoot your skull with a shotgun, but because CCP is a derp... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 516	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:45:00 - [14] - Quote I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 517	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:46:00 - [15] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. Not true. I played my share of MMOs and dps/glass cannon usu have no problem soloing heavies. In fact heavies are supposed to be easy pickings when they are alone. So it begs the question what MMOs do you play? 32db Mad Bomber.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 679	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:47:00 - [16] - Quote Well Jeremy if you are that close to a heavy your wrong. And heavy's the same as tanks yea we heavies have a god mode hardner we can use and a gun that can 3 shot infantry from 5-150m. 30m is our range that's it if you have skill you can take down the heavy. But back on point if you nerf the hmg you will see alot ALOT more light weapons I warn you We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:48:00 - [17] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Well Jeremy if you are that close to a heavy your wrong. And heavy's the same as tanks yea we heavies have a god mode hardner we can use and a gun that can 3 shot infantry from 5-150m. 30m is our range that's it if you have skill you can take down the heavy. But back on point if you nerf the hmg you will see alot ALOT more light weapons I warn you Most fights are cqc Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 680	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:49:00 - [18] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. Not true. I played my share of MMOs and dps/glass cannon usu have no problem soloing heavies. In fact heavies are supposed to be easy pickings when they are alone. So it begs the question what MMOs do you play? Did I ever say the heavies were solo? I always have a logi on my ass sometimes 5 and not by choice We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 680	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:50:00 - [19] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Well Jeremy if you are that close to a heavy your wrong. And heavy's the same as tanks yea we heavies have a god mode hardner we can use and a gun that can 3 shot infantry from 5-150m. 30m is our range that's it if you have skill you can take down the heavy. But back on point if you nerf the hmg you will see alot ALOT more light weapons I warn you Most fights are cqc I only want the rof buff reduced or gone, heavies are the tanky ones commandos are dps guys Wrong look at most maps they are open wide open. Only a few objectives are heavy friendly We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 1057	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:50:00 - [20] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: heavies with light weapons are a joke. always have been. HMG is OP because any decent heavy instantly melts any suit in the game in his range, combine with LAV and the only way you're countered is a blaster tank, or by multiple infantry. pretty sure that's the definition of OP- skyrocketed DPS compared to all other weapons. Much higher ehp. the only flaw(speed and range) being easily worked around and abused. I've thought hmgs were OP ever since the damage buff, then they got the extra 400rpm. Now the TTK with an HMG is instantaneous on any suit except max tanked heavies, which are still melted in less than a second and a half.(count to a second and a half, is that a lot? no, its still pretty much that you cant turn around.) The problem is simply that the dps is too damn high, let heavies be tanky, but reduce dps by a substantial amount, and buff the range of the heavy accordingly, it shouldn't HAVE to abuse an LAV on an open map, and it shouldn't be CERTAIN INSTA death in CQC. It should be an insta death if they shoot your skull with a shotgun, but because CCP is a derp... agreed. Your post is making me facepalm very hard right now.

jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:50:00 - [21] - Quote TunRa wrote: I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:52:00 - [22] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Well Jeremy if you are that close to a heavy your wrong. And heavy's the same as tanks yea we heavies have a god mode hardner we can use and a gun that can 3 shot infantry from 5-150m. 30m is our range that's it if you have skill you can take down the heavy. But back on point if you nerf the hmg you will see alot ALOT more light weapons I warn you Most fights are cqc I only want the rof buff reduced or gone, heavies are the tanky ones commandos are dps guys Wrong look at most maps they are open wide open. Only a few objectives are heavy friendly I know many maps wnich are cqc and most of the time you get them, most maps are cqc, some are not Doeant give the hmg to be instakill on most...im a heavy myself and the hmg is op atm and will be worse in 1.8 Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 680	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:53:00 - [23] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything See back in chromosome heavies had range dps and tank. Guess what assaults and scouts still were their. Your point is invalid We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 517	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:53:00 - [24] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything MOST?!?!? No, barley ANY maps are heavy freindly. Most maps are wide open and have little to no cover, any decent shot with any med - long range weapon will kill ANY heavy/sentinel. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 364	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:54:00 - [25] - Quote The HMG hate comes from people who are too ignorant to understand that unlike their rifles, it is simply not possible to apply 100% of HMG theoretical DPS past 10m, and the problem is exponentially worse at 20, 30, 40m. The "optimal" range may be 30m or whatever, but it is literally impossible to land more than 50% of rounds on target past 20m because of dispersion... thus giving HMG similar real world DPS to rifles. Except we have to expend 2-4x as many rounds to get that same DPS, can't carry our own nanohives to replenish all that ammo we have to use to get that DPS, have the hitbox of a tank, a larger scan profile than a tank, the absolute worst scan range/precision, move slower than turret emplacements, etc, etc, etc. But hey, that HMG is super overpowered because of that paper DPS that can only be applied in the real world at sub-10m. Try using the damn gun before you cry about how OP it is, most of you people have no clue how difficult it actually is to play HMG heavy - and I don't mean on the two maps or the one or two points on other maps where the HMG shines, I mean on every map, every game, all the time. People need to get over medium suit + ________ rifle not being the end all in every single situation. Deal with it. HTFU. Adapt or die. Whatever you want to say about it, just please, shut the hell up. It's not going to be what you people think - people who were ** heavies in 1.7 are going to be ** heavies in 1.8, and if your only tactic for taking out a heavy is try to face him up inside HMG optimal with a ____ rifle, you're going to lose - just like you do now, just like you're supposed to. Strategy. Tactics. This isn't Zerg 514, and there's a reason that "standing in front of the enemy and shooting at each other" was phased out as a military strategy sometime during the civil war.
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 518	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:54:00 - [26] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. Not true. I played my share of MMOs and dps/glass cannon usu have no problem soloing heavies. In fact heavies are supposed to be easy pickings when they are alone. So it begs the question what MMOs do you play? Did I ever say the heavies were solo? I always have a logi on my ass sometimes 5 and not by choice The person you were replying to said 'soloing a heavy' not 'soloing a heavy plus logi'. 32db Mad Bomber.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:54:00 - [27] - Quote TunRa wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything MOST?!?!? No, barley ANY maps are heavy freindly. Most maps are wide open and have little to no cover, any decent shot with any med - long range weapon will kill ANY heavy/sentinel. Mostof the time I play there are many cqc areas....again doeant mean the hmg gets to be op in cqc... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:56:00 - [28] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: The HMG hate comes from people who are too ignorant to understand that unlike their rifles, it is simply not possible to apply 100% of HMG theoretical DPS past 10m, and the problem is exponentially worse at 20, 30, 40m. The "optimal" range may be 30m or whatever, but it is literally impossible to land more than 50% of rounds on target past 20m because of dispersion... thus giving HMG similar real world DPS to rifles. Except we have to expend 2-4x as many rounds to get that same DPS, can't carry our own nanohives to replenish all that ammo we have to use to get that DPS, have the hitbox of a tank, a larger scan profile than a tank, the absolute worst scan range/precision, move slower than turret emplacements, etc, etc, etc. But hey, that HMG is super overpowered because of that paper DPS that can only be applied in the real world at sub-10m. Try using the damn gun before you cry about how OP it is, most of you people have no clue how difficult it actually is to play HMG heavy - and I don't mean on the two maps or the one or two points on other maps where the HMG shines, I mean on every map, every game, all the time. People need to get over medium suit + ________ rifle not being the end all in every single situation. Deal with it. HTFU. Adapt or die. Whatever you want to say about it, just please, shut the hell up. It's not going to be what you people think - people who were ** heavies in 1.7 are going to be ** heavies in 1.8, and if your only tactic for taking out a heavy is try to face him up inside HMG optimal with a ____ rifle, you're going to lose - just like you do now, just like you're supposed to. Strategy. Tactics. This isn't Zerg 514, and there's a reason that "standing in front of the enemy and shooting at each other" was phased out as a military strategy sometime during the civil war. Oh I will adapt My prof 3 op hmg will still deatroy everything.... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:57:00 - [29] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything See back in chromosome heavies had range dps and tank. Guess what assaults and scouts still were their. Your point is invalid Yes but now heavies will practicly be god mode...only time I get solod is when a proto when comes up behind me Or behind me with a cr Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 680	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:58:00 - [30] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything MOST?!?!? No, barley ANY maps are heavy freindly. Most maps are wide open and have little to no cover, any decent shot with any med - long range weapon will kill ANY heavy/sentinel. Mostof the time I play there are many cqc areas....again doeant mean the hmg gets to be op in cqc... What??????? Can I get a facepalm We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 680	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:59:00 - [31] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything See back in chromosome heavies had range dps and tank. Guess what assaults and scouts still were their. Your point is invalid Yes but now heavies will practicly be god mode...only time I get solod is when a proto when comes up behind me Or behind me with a cr That's how it should be dumb dumb minus god mode the cr from behind part We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 518	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:02:00 - [32] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything MOST?!?!? No, barley ANY maps are heavy freindly. Most maps are wide open and have little to no cover, any decent shot with any med - long range weapon will kill ANY heavy/sentinel. Mostof the time I play there are many cqc areas....again doeant mean the hmg gets to be op in cqc... I don't know what game you were playing but it obviously wasn't Dust. Thanks CCP Foxfour
jerrmy12 kahoalii 532	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:03:00 - [33] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything See back in chromosome heavies had range dps and tank. Guess what assaults and scouts still were their. Your point is invalid Yes but now heavies will practicly be god mode...only time I get solod is when a proto when comes up behind me Or behind me with a cr That's how it should be dumb dumb minus god mode the cr from behind part Stop defending your crutch Thats not how it ahould beIt takes no skill Most of the time I can get shot turn around and insta kill him and kill a other and another easily, hmg's are op. Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 532	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:04:00 - [34] - Quote TunRa wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: TunRa wrote: I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything MOST?!?!? No, barley ANY maps are heavy freindly. Most maps are wide open and have little to no cover, any decent shot with any med - long range weapon will kill ANY heavy/sentinel. Mostof the time I play there are many cqc areas....again doeant mean the hmg gets to be op in cqc... I don't know what game you were playing but it obviously wasn't Dust. Smirmish Ambush Domination Plus I can use a lav. Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Rusty Shallows 1141	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:06:00 - [35] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: It should take at least 2 clips with a rail rifle to kill us heavys... Pouring oil on the fire. Eh? Scalesdini wrote: People need to get over medium suit + ________ rifle not being the end all in every single situation. Pretty much that. Toning down the counter-hate in the rest of the post would have been nice. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 680	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:07:00 - [36] - Quote Jeremy your coming of very dumb right about now just stop also learn to at least type words correctly We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 519	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:09:00 - [37] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Smirmish Ambush Domination Plus I can use a lav. Okay first of all, how is the heavy frame a crutch? My HMG is OP even tho a RR, CR, AR, SR and every other gun can kill me in 2 to 3 seconds without logi support? Did I mention I have 1500hp when they do that? Secondly I didn't ask you what game modes you play I was saying that you couldn't be playing Dust because these maps are SO open that any thing with range will kill me before I reach it. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 153	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:11:00 - [38] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. then you have the same problem with tanks. Why not just spam heavies until that is the only existing suit other than hard mode scouts? Heavies are the best-snipers, assaults, heavies Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 681	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:11:00 - [39] - Quote TunRa wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Smirmish Ambush Domination Plus I can use a lav. Okay first of all, how is the heavy frame a crutch? My HMG is OP even tho a RR, CR, AR, SR and every other gun can kill me in 2 to 3 seconds without logi support? Did I mention I have 1500hp when they do that? Secondly I didn't ask you what game modes you play I was saying that you couldn't be playing Dust because these maps are SO open that any thing with range will kill me before I reach it. Agreed also apparently I've been using a crutch since closed beta. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Rusty Shallows 1141	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:13:00 - [40] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: All the HMG hate This is relatively light compared to the announcement of cloaks and JLAVs. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8346	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:14:00 - [41] - Quote I also want to take a moment to point out that I have never seen Jaques use a Combat Rifle.....so he is not really defending a crutch. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 681	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:15:00 - [42] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. then you have the same problem with tanks. Why not just spam heavies until that is the only existing suit other than hard mode scouts? Heavies are the best-snipers, assaults, heavies What? Snipers wrong not enough high slots also you can see that big suit from miles around. Spot the heavy sniper land on him with dropship continue on. Assault? Big suit cqc weapon 60m of open space let me run through it oh rail rifle owowowowow I'm dead. Heavies? He is a heavy so yes he is the best at it We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 31	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:15:00 - [43] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. I do run heavy but I love it when multiple players go against me, more kills for me. Smh. You call in a tank, Ill call my LAV put RE and watch the tankrs cry. Hahahah lolol nothing is better than sweet revenge. Im not done, this is just the start. If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 681	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:16:00 - [44] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I also want to take a moment to point out that I have never seen Jaques use a Combat Rifle.....so he is not really defending a crutch. What true? I don't have skills into combat rifles do you mean rail rifle? Because that's the only rifle I have skilled into want pictures? I can take the time to post my skill tree if you want We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 681	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:17:00 - [45] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. I do run heavy but I love it when multiple players go against me, more kills for me. Smh. You call in a tank, Ill call my LAV put RE and watch the tankrs cry. Hahahah lolol nothing is better than sweet revenge. Im not done, this is just the start. I do love that feel We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 681	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:19:00 - [46] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: All the HMG hate This is relatively light compared to the announcement of cloaks and JLAVs. Jlavs? I haven't heard of this what is it if I may ask We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
xXGXx MAN Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:35:00 - [47] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: The HMG hate comes from people who are too ignorant to understand that unlike their rifles, it is simply not possible to apply 100% of HMG theoretical DPS past 10m, and the problem is exponentially worse at 20, 30, 40m. The "optimal" range may be 30m or whatever, but it is literally impossible to land more than 50% of rounds on target past 20m because of dispersion... thus giving HMG similar real world DPS to rifles. Except we have to expend 2-4x as many rounds to get that same DPS, can't carry our own nanohives to replenish all that ammo we have to use to get that DPS, have the hitbox of a tank, a larger scan profile than a tank, the absolute worst scan range/precision, move slower than turret emplacements, etc, etc, etc. But hey, that HMG is super overpowered because of that paper DPS that can only be applied in the real world at sub-10m. Try using the damn gun before you cry about how OP it is, most of you people have no clue how difficult it actually is to play HMG heavy - and I don't mean on the two maps or the one or two points on other maps where the HMG shines, I mean on every map, every game, all the time. People need to get over medium suit + ________ rifle not being the end all in every single situation. Deal with it. HTFU. Adapt or die. Whatever you want to say about it, just please, shut the hell up. It's not going to be what you people think - people who were ** heavies in 1.7 are going to be ** heavies in 1.8, and if your only tactic for taking out a heavy is try to face him up inside HMG optimal with a ____ rifle, you're going to lose - just like you do now, just like you're supposed to. Strategy. Tactics. This isn't Zerg 514, and there's a reason that "standing in front of the enemy and shooting at each other" was phased out as a military strategy sometime during the civil war. YES! Thank you
jerrmy12 kahoalii 534	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:38:00 - [48] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Jeremy your coming of very dumb right about now just stop also learn to at least type words correctly Its called a touch screen. And stop defending your crutch. Your just like the tankers... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8346	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:38:00 - [49] - Quote xXGXx MAN wrote: Scalesdini wrote: The HMG hate comes from people who are too ignorant to understand that unlike their rifles, it is simply not possible to apply 100% of HMG theoretical DPS past 10m, and the problem is exponentially worse at 20, 30, 40m. The "optimal" range may be 30m or whatever, but it is literally impossible to land more than 50% of rounds on target past 20m because of dispersion... thus giving HMG similar real world DPS to rifles. Except we have to expend 2-4x as many rounds to get that same DPS, can't carry our own nanohives to replenish all that ammo we have to use to get that DPS, have the hitbox of a tank, a larger scan profile than a tank, the absolute worst scan range/precision, move slower than turret emplacements, etc, etc, etc. But hey, that HMG is super overpowered because of that paper DPS that can only be applied in the real world at sub-10m. Try using the damn gun before you cry about how OP it is, most of you people have no clue how difficult it actually is to play HMG heavy - and I don't mean on the two maps or the one or two points on other maps where the HMG shines, I mean on every map, every game, all the time. People need to get over medium suit + ________ rifle not being the end all in every single situation. Deal with it. HTFU. Adapt or die. Whatever you want to say about it, just please, shut the hell up. It's not going to be what you people think - people who were ** heavies in 1.7 are going to be ** heavies in 1.8, and if your only tactic for taking out a heavy is try to face him up inside HMG optimal with a ____ rifle, you're going to lose - just like you do now, just like you're supposed to. Strategy. Tactics. This isn't Zerg 514, and there's a reason that "standing in front of the enemy and shooting at each other" was phased out as a military strategy sometime during the civil war. YES! Thank you You point out that this isnt Zerg 514 and that is true. However its still and undeniably solid tactic. Weight of numbers > individual skill. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Rusty Shallows 1142	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:40:00 - [50] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: All the HMG hate This is relatively light compared to the announcement of cloaks and JLAVs. Jlavs? I haven't heard of this what is it if I may ask Sorry about that. Jihad LAVs, I was being lazy. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2696	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:41:00 - [51] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. Sooooo heavies are the new tanks? I guess we need to increase the price back to Crome levels then. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 681	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:01:00 - [52] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Jeremy your coming of very dumb right about now just stop also learn to at least type words correctly Its called a touch screen. And stop defending your crutch. Your just like the tankers... You guys heard it first here I've used hmg since chromosome but I use crutch. Jeremy you are a new heavy you didn't suffer in the beginning of uprising your a FoTM follower I'm nothing like tanks but my type 2 heavy did cost around 600k in chromosome sooooo yeah htfu and adapt I'm done with nerfs and buffs all around I don't mind rifles as they are now and I don't mind tanks. Do they pass me off yes but I don't mind anymore I stay away from their optimal you should to We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
xXGXx MAN Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:02:00 - [53] - Quote It has its advantages and disadvantages. Being a heavy you don't want to run across an open field getting shot at from the other side by a RR. now being a medium suit u dont want to run into a cqc situation with a RR getting shot at by an hmg. Or maybe u do idk.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3533	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:05:00 - [54] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. Its just unfair that there is no way to counter one exept another heavy, which is why tanks are op, a proto suit should be abke to defend himself or you will never see a protosuit ever again, its too much isk to insta lose, my hmg is too op atm I can kill proto galogis... Ps Who said rail rifle.... Heavies are impossible to counter? Jesus man, get good scrub. No.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 775	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:07:00 - [55] - Quote Annnd this is how we know the HMG is finally competitive again.... I swear to god medium suits with their OP racial rifles always b*tch when something kill them As a matter of fact if I remember correctly this was how the HMG got castrated in uprising. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 266	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:08:00 - [56] - Quote To y'all heavies that think or say anything along the lines of "I should be able to solo anyone that I see, and it should either take at least 2 players or a Very Experienced Player to kill me." Leave. If you want the combat efficiency of more than 1 player, you need to GTFO with your bullshit. We already have this problem with HAVs, where 1 HAV has the combat efficiency of multiple people... we don't need the same BS with heavies as well. Secondly, Heavies are looking to be a big issue in 1.8, their EHP buff combined with the HMG's damage being untouched while all of the other automatics are getting an 10-15% nerf has "OVERBUFF" written all over it. My gut tells me they are going to be OP, but I like to try and keep an open conscious about unreleased things. So even though I know I shouldn't say this again after me saying "RRs and CRs might be fine, let's wait and see before we judge." in 1.6, I am willing to wait and see what Heavies in 1.8 are like before I declare them to be OP/UP/Balanced. Be prepared, though. The community is saying they are going to be OP, and the community has been right about this almost every time. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 520	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:09:00 - [57] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Annnd this is how we know the HMG is finally competitive again.... I swear to god medium suits with their OP racial rifles always b*tch when something kill them As a matter of fact if I remember correctly this was how the HMG got castrated in uprising. They will never stop! Thanks CCP Foxfour Likes received: 514
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 247	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:11:00 - [58] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. Lol, have you ever faced a heavy at 80 meters? It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Heavies have 2 roles. 1. Massacre anyone who tries to face a heavy head on in close range without cover. 2. Use a forge gun. They are great at their role, as they should be. Don't QQ because there's something you can't solo. By the way, this is a team game, and there is something called squads. I heard that they are crazy OP. Try it sometime Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 681	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:13:00 - [59] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. Lol, have you ever faced a heavy at 80 meters? It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Heavies have 2 roles. 1. Massacre anyone who tries to face a heavy head on in close range without cover. 2. Use a forge gun. They are great at their role, as they should be. Don't QQ because there's something you can't solo. By the way, this is a team game, and there is something called squads. I heard that they are crazy OP. Try it sometime I like you can we be friends forever and ever We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Beld Errmon Nyain Chan 1435	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:14:00 - [60] - Quote can't say i've ever heard anyone say the HMG is OP, most common thing I hear ppl whine about is heavies running around with light weapons, CCP needs to fast track additional heavy weapons and then remove the ability for them to carry light weapons, and before anyone says "but sandbox!" let medium and light frames carry heavy weapons if you think the game should be all sandbox.

TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 520	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:18:00 - [61] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: can't say i've ever heard anyone say the HMG is OP, most common thing I hear ppl whine about is heavies running around with light weapons, CCP needs to fast track additional heavy weapons and then remove the ability for them to carry light weapons, and before anyone says "but sandbox!" let medium and light frames carry heavy weapons if you think the game should be all sandbox. It only makes sense that a heavy can carry a light weapon, if it can pick up something like a HMG why can't it hold a CR? Because it is to light? A medium can't hold a HMG or forge gun because it is to heavy. I mean it could but it would add a movement penalty to the medium suit. Thanks CCP Foxfour Likes received: 514
Beld Errmon Nyain Chan 1436	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:22:00 - [62] - Quote but but but sandbox
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 266	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:23:00 - [63] - Quote TunRa wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: can't say i've ever heard anyone say the HMG is OP, most common thing I hear ppl whine about is heavies running around with light weapons, CCP needs to fast track additional heavy weapons and then remove the ability for them to carry light weapons, and before anyone says "but sandbox!" let medium and light frames carry heavy weapons if you think the game should be all sandbox. It only makes sense that a heavy can carry a light weapon, if it can pick up something like a HMG why can't it hold a CR? Because it is to light? A medium can't hold a HMG or forge gun because it is to heavy. I mean it could but it would add a movement penalty to the medium suit. I'm against removing light weapon use for heavies. I am however for penalizing them for equipping a light weapon on a Basic or Sentinel Heavy. In particular, I would like to see light weapons have a slower reload time, or kick more when held by a Heavy. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 520	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:25:00 - [64] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: but but but sandbox Noob: Wtf why can't my heavy suit hold a light weapon? I mean he can pick up a 100 pound heavy weapon why can't he hold a 10 pound rifle? Vet: Because balance Noob: That's stupid, I thought this game was all about lore where in the lore does it explain heavies can't wield light weapons? Vet: BALANCE! ** THE LORE! ** YOU! Thanks CCP Foxfour Likes received: 514
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 520	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:27:00 - [65] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: TunRa wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: can't say i've ever heard anyone say the HMG is OP, most common thing I hear ppl whine about is heavies running around with light weapons, CCP needs to fast track additional heavy weapons and then remove the ability for them to carry light weapons, and before anyone says "but sandbox!" let medium and light frames carry heavy weapons if you think the game should be all sandbox. It only makes sense that a heavy can carry a light weapon, if it can pick up something like a HMG why can't it hold a CR? Because it is to light? A medium can't hold a HMG or forge gun because it is to heavy. I mean it could but it would add a movement penalty to the medium suit. I'm against removing light weapon use for heavies. I am however for penalizing them for equipping a light weapon on a Basic or Sentinel Heavy. In particular, I would like to see light weapons have a slower reload time, or kick more when held by a Heavy. I will except that as it makes sense, but removing it is just stupid. Thanks CCP Foxfour Likes received: 514
xXGXx MAN Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:33:00 - [66] - Quote This is a really stupid argument. Yes you are supposed to use teamwork to take down a heavy they are built to withstand some fire at close range. Any medium to far range encounters with a heavy you have him dead to rights. That's because HEY heavys are supposed to use their hmg's to shoot the &!$@ out of anything that comes close, not take a 100m shot at you.
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 266	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:37:00 - [67] - Quote xXGXx MAN wrote: This is a really stupid argument. Yes you are supposed to use teamwork to take down a heavy they are built to withstand some fire at close range. Any medium to far range encounters with a heavy you have him dead to rights. That's because HEY heavys are supposed to use their hmg's to shoot the &!$@ out of anything that comes close, not take a 100m shot at you. Tell me more about how heavies can't equip a RR and be better at long range as well. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
xXGXx MAN Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:40:00 - [68] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: xXGXx MAN wrote: This is a really stupid argument. Yes you are supposed to use teamwork to take down a heavy they are built to withstand some fire at close range. Any medium to far range encounters with a heavy you have him dead to rights. That's because HEY heavys are supposed to use their hmg's to shoot the &!$@ out of anything that comes close, not take a 100m shot at you. Tell me more about how heavies can't equip a RR and be better at long range as well. This argument is about hmg's not the suit.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 151	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:41:00 - [69] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: heavies with light weapons are a joke. always have been. HMG is OP because any decent heavy instantly melts any suit in the game in his range, combine with LAV and the only way you're countered is a blaster tank, or by multiple infantry. pretty sure that's the definition of OP- skyrocketed DPS compared to all other weapons. Much higher ehp. the only flaw(speed and range) being easily worked around and abused. I've thought hmgs were OP ever since the damage buff, then they got the extra 400rpm. Now the TTK with an HMG is instantaneous on any suit except max tanked heavies, which are still melted in less than a second and a half.(count to a second and a half, is that a lot? no, its still pretty much that you cant turn around.) The problem is simply that the dps is too damn high, let heavies be tanky, but reduce dps by a substantial amount, and buff the range of the heavy accordingly, it shouldn't HAVE to abuse an LAV on an open map, and it shouldn't be CERTAIN INSTA death in CQC. *EDIT also, I have a heavy suit my self, with officer HMGs and 1700ehp. its OP right now, the only reason its not viable to run it some games is that its an open map, and the tanks are too common, thus Im forced to run tanks to kill the tanks. Otherwise, I usually do use it, just cus its fun to run around with a buttload of HP and instakilling everything I see by driving up to it. Nyian San complaining about OP?! lol I've seen it all. G0DS AM0NG MEN Director Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 266	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:44:00 - [70] - Quote xXGXx MAN wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: xXGXx MAN wrote: This is a really stupid argument. Yes you are supposed to use teamwork to take down a heavy they are built to withstand some fire at close range. Any medium to far range encounters with a heavy you have him dead to rights. That's because HEY heavys are supposed to use their hmg's to shoot the &!$@ out of anything that comes close, not take a 100m shot at you. Tell me more about how heavies can't equip a RR and be better at long range as well. This argument is about hmg's not the suit. You can't talk about HMG withoufpt talking about the only suits they can be used on. That's like talking about Large Turrets but not HAVs... ... or Cloaks and not Scouts. This is about the suits as well. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.

xXGXx MAN Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:01:00 - [71] - Quote When it comes down to it heavy suits can be used for multiple things and so on with every other suit and gun combo. This was a rage about hmg's, they are meant to spray u with bullets at close range, dont try to beat hmg's with online rages to get them nerfed.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4820	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:04:00 - [72] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. HMG is fine as far as damage output. The issue isn't with the weapon, but with the "kinetic impulse" they put on all weapons that makes you slow down when you get shot. The HMG with its very high rate of fire means this effect is multiplied to the point that as soon as you start getting shot, you can't even try and evade. The "kinetic impulse" needs to be removed to allow strafing to be a viable means of avoiding death again. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
xXGXx MAN Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:13:00 - [73] - Quote Think about it:If u were getting shot with that many bullets you wouldn't be moving that fast either.


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