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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.03.18 02:59:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:TunRa wrote:I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything See back in chromosome heavies had range dps and tank. Guess what assaults and scouts still were their. Your point is invalid Yes but now heavies will practicly be god mode...only time I get solod is when a proto when comes up behind me Or behind me with a cr That's how it should be dumb dumb minus god mode the cr from behind part
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TunRa
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:02:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:TunRa wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:TunRa wrote:I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything MOST?!?!? No, barley ANY maps are heavy freindly. Most maps are wide open and have little to no cover, any decent shot with any med - long range weapon will kill ANY heavy/sentinel. Mostof the time I play there are many cqc areas....again doeant mean the hmg gets to be op in cqc... I don't know what game you were playing but it obviously wasn't Dust.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:03:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:TunRa wrote:I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything See back in chromosome heavies had range dps and tank. Guess what assaults and scouts still were their. Your point is invalid Yes but now heavies will practicly be god mode...only time I get solod is when a proto when comes up behind me Or behind me with a cr That's how it should be dumb dumb minus god mode the cr from behind part Stop defending your crutch Thats not how it ahould beIt takes no skill Most of the time I can get shot turn around and insta kill him and kill a other and another easily, hmg's are op.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:04:00 -
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TunRa wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:TunRa wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:TunRa wrote:I swear no one in the game knows what it means to adapt, t is just a bunch of QQ. They will be instadeath on most maos Which will meant you will see nothing but heavies and ahotguns and maybe rwmotes because of its ability to tank and dps everything MOST?!?!? No, barley ANY maps are heavy freindly. Most maps are wide open and have little to no cover, any decent shot with any med - long range weapon will kill ANY heavy/sentinel. Mostof the time I play there are many cqc areas....again doeant mean the hmg gets to be op in cqc... I don't know what game you were playing but it obviously wasn't Dust. Smirmish Ambush Domination
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:06:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:It should take at least 2 clips with a rail rifle to kill us heavys... Pouring oil on the fire. Eh?
Scalesdini wrote:People need to get over medium suit + ________ rifle not being the end all in every single situation. Pretty much that. Toning down the counter-hate in the rest of the post would have been nice.
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:07:00 -
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Jeremy your coming of very dumb right about now just stop also learn to at least type words correctly
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TunRa
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:09:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Smirmish Ambush Domination
Plus I can use a lav.
Okay first of all, how is the heavy frame a crutch? My HMG is OP even tho a RR, CR, AR, SR and every other gun can kill me in 2 to 3 seconds without logi support? Did I mention I have 1500hp when they do that?
Secondly I didn't ask you what game modes you play I was saying that you couldn't be playing Dust because these maps are SO open that any thing with range will kill me before I reach it.
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:11:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. then you have the same problem with tanks. Why not just spam heavies until that is the only existing suit other than hard mode scouts?
Heavies are the best-snipers, assaults, heavies
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:11:00 -
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TunRa wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Smirmish Ambush Domination
Plus I can use a lav.
Okay first of all, how is the heavy frame a crutch? My HMG is OP even tho a RR, CR, AR, SR and every other gun can kill me in 2 to 3 seconds without logi support? Did I mention I have 1500hp when they do that? Secondly I didn't ask you what game modes you play I was saying that you couldn't be playing Dust because these maps are SO open that any thing with range will kill me before I reach it. Agreed also apparently I've been using a crutch since closed beta.
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:13:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:All the HMG hate This is relatively light compared to the announcement of cloaks and JLAVs.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:14:00 -
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I also want to take a moment to point out that I have never seen Jaques use a Combat Rifle.....so he is not really defending a crutch.
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:15:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. then you have the same problem with tanks. Why not just spam heavies until that is the only existing suit other than hard mode scouts? Heavies are the best-snipers, assaults, heavies What? Snipers wrong not enough high slots also you can see that big suit from miles around. Spot the heavy sniper land on him with dropship continue on. Assault? Big suit cqc weapon 60m of open space let me run through it oh rail rifle owowowowow I'm dead. Heavies? He is a heavy so yes he is the best at it
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:15:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer.
I do run heavy but I love it when multiple players go against me, more kills for me. Smh. You call in a tank, Ill call my LAV put RE and watch the tankrs cry. Hahahah lolol nothing is better than sweet revenge. Im not done, this is just the start.
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:16:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I also want to take a moment to point out that I have never seen Jaques use a Combat Rifle.....so he is not really defending a crutch.
What true? I don't have skills into combat rifles do you mean rail rifle? Because that's the only rifle I have skilled into want pictures? I can take the time to post my skill tree if you want
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:17:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. I do run heavy but I love it when multiple players go against me, more kills for me. Smh. You call in a tank, Ill call my LAV put RE and watch the tankrs cry. Hahahah lolol nothing is better than sweet revenge. Im not done, this is just the start. I do love that feel
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:19:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:All the HMG hate This is relatively light compared to the announcement of cloaks and JLAVs. Jlavs? I haven't heard of this what is it if I may ask
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xXGXx MAN
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:35:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:The HMG hate comes from people who are too ignorant to understand that unlike their rifles, it is simply not possible to apply 100% of HMG theoretical DPS past 10m, and the problem is exponentially worse at 20, 30, 40m. The "optimal" range may be 30m or whatever, but it is literally impossible to land more than 50% of rounds on target past 20m because of dispersion... thus giving HMG similar real world DPS to rifles. Except we have to expend 2-4x as many rounds to get that same DPS, can't carry our own nanohives to replenish all that ammo we have to use to get that DPS, have the hitbox of a tank, a larger scan profile than a tank, the absolute worst scan range/precision, move slower than turret emplacements, etc, etc, etc.
But hey, that HMG is super overpowered because of that paper DPS that can only be applied in the real world at sub-10m. Try using the damn gun before you cry about how OP it is, most of you people have no clue how difficult it actually is to play HMG heavy - and I don't mean on the two maps or the one or two points on other maps where the HMG shines, I mean on every map, every game, all the time.
People need to get over medium suit + ________ rifle not being the end all in every single situation. Deal with it. HTFU. Adapt or die. Whatever you want to say about it, just please, shut the hell up. It's not going to be what you people think - people who were **** heavies in 1.7 are going to be **** heavies in 1.8, and if your only tactic for taking out a heavy is try to face him up inside HMG optimal with a ____ rifle, you're going to lose - just like you do now, just like you're supposed to. Strategy. Tactics. This isn't Zerg 514, and there's a reason that "standing in front of the enemy and shooting at each other" was phased out as a military strategy sometime during the civil war. YES! Thank you |
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:38:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Jeremy your coming of very dumb right about now just stop also learn to at least type words correctly Its called a touch screen. And stop defending your crutch. Your just like the tankers...
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:38:00 -
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xXGXx MAN wrote:Scalesdini wrote:The HMG hate comes from people who are too ignorant to understand that unlike their rifles, it is simply not possible to apply 100% of HMG theoretical DPS past 10m, and the problem is exponentially worse at 20, 30, 40m. The "optimal" range may be 30m or whatever, but it is literally impossible to land more than 50% of rounds on target past 20m because of dispersion... thus giving HMG similar real world DPS to rifles. Except we have to expend 2-4x as many rounds to get that same DPS, can't carry our own nanohives to replenish all that ammo we have to use to get that DPS, have the hitbox of a tank, a larger scan profile than a tank, the absolute worst scan range/precision, move slower than turret emplacements, etc, etc, etc.
But hey, that HMG is super overpowered because of that paper DPS that can only be applied in the real world at sub-10m. Try using the damn gun before you cry about how OP it is, most of you people have no clue how difficult it actually is to play HMG heavy - and I don't mean on the two maps or the one or two points on other maps where the HMG shines, I mean on every map, every game, all the time.
People need to get over medium suit + ________ rifle not being the end all in every single situation. Deal with it. HTFU. Adapt or die. Whatever you want to say about it, just please, shut the hell up. It's not going to be what you people think - people who were **** heavies in 1.7 are going to be **** heavies in 1.8, and if your only tactic for taking out a heavy is try to face him up inside HMG optimal with a ____ rifle, you're going to lose - just like you do now, just like you're supposed to. Strategy. Tactics. This isn't Zerg 514, and there's a reason that "standing in front of the enemy and shooting at each other" was phased out as a military strategy sometime during the civil war. YES! Thank you
You point out that this isnt Zerg 514 and that is true.
However its still and undeniably solid tactic. Weight of numbers > individual skill.
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:40:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:All the HMG hate This is relatively light compared to the announcement of cloaks and JLAVs. Jlavs? I haven't heard of this what is it if I may ask Sorry about that. Jihad LAVs, I was being lazy.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:41:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. Sooooo heavies are the new tanks?
I guess we need to increase the price back to Crome levels then.
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:01:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:Jeremy your coming of very dumb right about now just stop also learn to at least type words correctly Its called a touch screen. And stop defending your crutch. Your just like the tankers... You guys heard it first here I've used hmg since chromosome but I use crutch. Jeremy you are a new heavy you didn't suffer in the beginning of uprising your a FoTM follower I'm nothing like tanks but my type 2 heavy did cost around 600k in chromosome sooooo yeah htfu and adapt I'm done with nerfs and buffs all around I don't mind rifles as they are now and I don't mind tanks. Do they pass me off yes but I don't mind anymore I stay away from their optimal you should to
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:02:00 -
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It has its advantages and disadvantages. Being a heavy you don't want to run across an open field getting shot at from the other side by a RR. now being a medium suit u dont want to run into a cqc situation with a RR getting shot at by an hmg. Or maybe u do idk. |
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:05:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. That's the heavy in any mmo you will need more than one person to kill it. Or a truly skilled individual. Its just unfair that there is no way to counter one exept another heavy, which is why tanks are op, a proto suit should be abke to defend himself or you will never see a protosuit ever again, its too much isk to insta lose, my hmg is too op atm I can kill proto galogis... Ps Who said rail rifle....
Heavies are impossible to counter?
Jesus man, get good scrub.
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Vitharr Foebane
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:07:00 -
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Annnd this is how we know the HMG is finally competitive again.... I swear to god medium suits with their OP racial rifles always b*tch when something kill them As a matter of fact if I remember correctly this was how the HMG got castrated in uprising.
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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Martyr Saboteur
Amarrtyrs
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:08:00 -
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To y'all heavies that think or say anything along the lines of "I should be able to solo anyone that I see, and it should either take at least 2 players or a Very Experienced Player to kill me." Leave. If you want the combat efficiency of more than 1 player, you need to GTFO with your bullshit. We already have this problem with HAVs, where 1 HAV has the combat efficiency of multiple people... we don't need the same BS with heavies as well.
Secondly, Heavies are looking to be a big issue in 1.8, their EHP buff combined with the HMG's damage being untouched while all of the other automatics are getting an 10-15% nerf has "OVERBUFF" written all over it. My gut tells me they are going to be OP, but I like to try and keep an open conscious about unreleased things.
So even though I know I shouldn't say this again after me saying "RRs and CRs might be fine, let's wait and see before we judge." in 1.6, I am willing to wait and see what Heavies in 1.8 are like before I declare them to be OP/UP/Balanced.
Be prepared, though. The community is saying they are going to be OP, and the community has been right about this almost every time.
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TunRa
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:09:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Annnd this is how we know the HMG is finally competitive again.... I swear to god medium suits with their OP racial rifles always b*tch when something kill them As a matter of fact if I remember correctly this was how the HMG got castrated in uprising. They will never stop!
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Dauth Jenkins
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:11:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit.
Lol, have you ever faced a heavy at 80 meters? It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Heavies have 2 roles. 1. Massacre anyone who tries to face a heavy head on in close range without cover. 2. Use a forge gun. They are great at their role, as they should be. Don't QQ because there's something you can't solo.
By the way, this is a team game, and there is something called squads. I heard that they are crazy OP. Try it sometime
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:13:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. Hmg need thier rif buuf reduced or removed In 1.8 they will be too op and impossible to ever solo and force you to lose, say a 150k suit. Lol, have you ever faced a heavy at 80 meters? It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Heavies have 2 roles. 1. Massacre anyone who tries to face a heavy head on in close range without cover. 2. Use a forge gun. They are great at their role, as they should be. Don't QQ because there's something you can't solo. By the way, this is a team game, and there is something called squads. I heard that they are crazy OP. Try it sometime I like you can we be friends forever and ever
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:14:00 -
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can't say i've ever heard anyone say the HMG is OP, most common thing I hear ppl whine about is heavies running around with light weapons, CCP needs to fast track additional heavy weapons and then remove the ability for them to carry light weapons, and before anyone says "but sandbox!" let medium and light frames carry heavy weapons if you think the game should be all sandbox. |
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