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TunRa
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:18:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:can't say i've ever heard anyone say the HMG is OP, most common thing I hear ppl whine about is heavies running around with light weapons, CCP needs to fast track additional heavy weapons and then remove the ability for them to carry light weapons, and before anyone says "but sandbox!" let medium and light frames carry heavy weapons if you think the game should be all sandbox. It only makes sense that a heavy can carry a light weapon, if it can pick up something like a HMG why can't it hold a CR? Because it is to light? A medium can't hold a HMG or forge gun because it is to heavy. I mean it could but it would add a movement penalty to the medium suit.
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Beld Errmon
Nyain Chan
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:22:00 -
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but but but sandbox |
Martyr Saboteur
Amarrtyrs
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:23:00 -
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TunRa wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:can't say i've ever heard anyone say the HMG is OP, most common thing I hear ppl whine about is heavies running around with light weapons, CCP needs to fast track additional heavy weapons and then remove the ability for them to carry light weapons, and before anyone says "but sandbox!" let medium and light frames carry heavy weapons if you think the game should be all sandbox. It only makes sense that a heavy can carry a light weapon, if it can pick up something like a HMG why can't it hold a CR? Because it is to light? A medium can't hold a HMG or forge gun because it is to heavy. I mean it could but it would add a movement penalty to the medium suit. I'm against removing light weapon use for heavies.
I am however for penalizing them for equipping a light weapon on a Basic or Sentinel Heavy. In particular, I would like to see light weapons have a slower reload time, or kick more when held by a Heavy.
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TunRa
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:25:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:but but but sandbox Noob: Wtf why can't my heavy suit hold a light weapon? I mean he can pick up a 100 pound heavy weapon why can't he hold a 10 pound rifle? Vet: Because balance Noob: That's stupid, I thought this game was all about lore where in the lore does it explain heavies can't wield light weapons? Vet: BALANCE! **** THE LORE! **** YOU!
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TunRa
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:27:00 -
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Martyr Saboteur wrote:TunRa wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:can't say i've ever heard anyone say the HMG is OP, most common thing I hear ppl whine about is heavies running around with light weapons, CCP needs to fast track additional heavy weapons and then remove the ability for them to carry light weapons, and before anyone says "but sandbox!" let medium and light frames carry heavy weapons if you think the game should be all sandbox. It only makes sense that a heavy can carry a light weapon, if it can pick up something like a HMG why can't it hold a CR? Because it is to light? A medium can't hold a HMG or forge gun because it is to heavy. I mean it could but it would add a movement penalty to the medium suit. I'm against removing light weapon use for heavies. I am however for penalizing them for equipping a light weapon on a Basic or Sentinel Heavy. In particular, I would like to see light weapons have a slower reload time, or kick more when held by a Heavy. I will except that as it makes sense, but removing it is just stupid.
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xXGXx MAN
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:33:00 -
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This is a really stupid argument. Yes you are supposed to use teamwork to take down a heavy they are built to withstand some fire at close range. Any medium to far range encounters with a heavy you have him dead to rights. That's because HEY heavys are supposed to use their hmg's to shoot the &!$@ out of anything that comes close, not take a 100m shot at you. |
Martyr Saboteur
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:37:00 -
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xXGXx MAN wrote:This is a really stupid argument. Yes you are supposed to use teamwork to take down a heavy they are built to withstand some fire at close range. Any medium to far range encounters with a heavy you have him dead to rights. That's because HEY heavys are supposed to use their hmg's to shoot the &!$@ out of anything that comes close, not take a 100m shot at you. Tell me more about how heavies can't equip a RR and be better at long range as well.
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xXGXx MAN
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:40:00 -
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Martyr Saboteur wrote:xXGXx MAN wrote:This is a really stupid argument. Yes you are supposed to use teamwork to take down a heavy they are built to withstand some fire at close range. Any medium to far range encounters with a heavy you have him dead to rights. That's because HEY heavys are supposed to use their hmg's to shoot the &!$@ out of anything that comes close, not take a 100m shot at you. Tell me more about how heavies can't equip a RR and be better at long range as well. This argument is about hmg's not the suit. |
xSir Campsalotx
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:41:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:heavies with light weapons are a joke. always have been.
HMG is OP because any decent heavy instantly melts any suit in the game in his range, combine with LAV and the only way you're countered is a blaster tank, or by multiple infantry.
pretty sure that's the definition of OP- skyrocketed DPS compared to all other weapons. Much higher ehp. the only flaw(speed and range) being easily worked around and abused.
I've thought hmgs were OP ever since the damage buff, then they got the extra 400rpm. Now the TTK with an HMG is instantaneous on any suit except max tanked heavies, which are still melted in less than a second and a half.(count to a second and a half, is that a lot? no, its still pretty much that you cant turn around.)
The problem is simply that the dps is too damn high, let heavies be tanky, but reduce dps by a substantial amount, and buff the range of the heavy accordingly, it shouldn't HAVE to abuse an LAV on an open map, and it shouldn't be CERTAIN INSTA death in CQC.
*EDIT also, I have a heavy suit my self, with officer HMGs and 1700ehp. its OP right now, the only reason its not viable to run it some games is that its an open map, and the tanks are too common, thus Im forced to run tanks to kill the tanks. Otherwise, I usually do use it, just cus its fun to run around with a buttload of HP and instakilling everything I see by driving up to it.
Nyian San complaining about OP?! lol I've seen it all.
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Martyr Saboteur
Amarrtyrs
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:44:00 -
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xXGXx MAN wrote:Martyr Saboteur wrote:xXGXx MAN wrote:This is a really stupid argument. Yes you are supposed to use teamwork to take down a heavy they are built to withstand some fire at close range. Any medium to far range encounters with a heavy you have him dead to rights. That's because HEY heavys are supposed to use their hmg's to shoot the &!$@ out of anything that comes close, not take a 100m shot at you. Tell me more about how heavies can't equip a RR and be better at long range as well. This argument is about hmg's not the suit. You can't talk about HMG withoufpt talking about the only suits they can be used on.
That's like talking about Large Turrets but not HAVs... ... or Cloaks and not Scouts.
This is about the suits as well.
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xXGXx MAN
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:01:00 -
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When it comes down to it heavy suits can be used for multiple things and so on with every other suit and gun combo. This was a rage about hmg's, they are meant to spray u with bullets at close range, dont try to beat hmg's with online rages to get them nerfed. |
Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:04:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:I love it when people say nerf the hmg. You know what happens then whiny medium suits??? RR cr and other light weapons on heavies. You get one or the other medium suits do you wanna nerf the hmg and let heavies run rampant at all ranges, or a cqc or av killer. HMG is fine as far as damage output.
The issue isn't with the weapon, but with the "kinetic impulse" they put on all weapons that makes you slow down when you get shot.
The HMG with its very high rate of fire means this effect is multiplied to the point that as soon as you start getting shot, you can't even try and evade.
The "kinetic impulse" needs to be removed to allow strafing to be a viable means of avoiding death again.
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xXGXx MAN
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.18 05:13:00 -
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Think about it:If u were getting shot with that many bullets you wouldn't be moving that fast either. |
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