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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:30:00 -
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lolcpm
Intelligence is OP
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
761
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:31:00 -
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Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1684
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:31:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all.
This. Also, inb4lock.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
985
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:32:00 -
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CPM can only strongly request things. They can't twist CCP's arm.
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
370
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:32:00 -
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Im for open discusion about that possition.
I want to burn them in Doomheim.
CPM is not here for community at all.
Thanks to them we received only CUT from what MAJORITY here WANTED.
Im really angry now.
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:33:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:CPM can only strongly request things. They can't twist CCP's arm.
Nope just read new DEV blog.
Its stuff really just for strong stomach.
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:33:00 -
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And scouts with either no sidearm and/or double equipment slots...
I know people are frustrated but taking it out on the CPM when they do try to represent us doesn't help ****.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
1359
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:34:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm
random silly post. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
985
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:35:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:
Nope just read new DEV blog.
Its stuff really just for strong stomach.
I did read the new dev blog.
Dropsuit Devblog wrote:After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools.
It doesn't say CPM didn't push for a full infatry refund. Does it?
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
2560
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:36:00 -
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Juat trolling the respec choice was the right one im hoping all these fourm trolls do quit. It make this a nice place to hang out again
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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GOGO power rangers
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
370
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:36:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:
Nope just read new DEV blog.
Its stuff really just for strong stomach.
I did read the new dev blog. Dropsuit Devblog wrote:After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools. It doesn't say CPM didn't push for a full infatry refund. Does it?
Hell whole community in repsec thread wanted full refund and they basicaly told:"Thanks to your CPMs you have dropsiut one."
Oki i agree its better than nothing but hell, its not what we wanted.
Support - Tactician/Support
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Rifter7
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
349
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:39:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Juat trolling the respec choice was the right one im hoping all these fourm trolls do quit. It make this a nice place to hang out again
yeah good idea. have large sums of the community quit so the 5k people playing can be 2.5k.
good idea bro. have fun playing with yourself. |
Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1222
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:39:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:
Nope just read new DEV blog.
Its stuff really just for strong stomach.
I did read the new dev blog. Dropsuit Devblog wrote:After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools. It doesn't say CPM didn't push for a full infatry refund. Does it? Hell whole community in repsec thread wanted full refund and they basicaly told:"Thanks to your CPMs you have dropsiut one." Oki i agree its better than nothing but hell, its not what we wanted. You don't always get exactly what you wanted. You didn't, neither did the other side.
Just accept the compromise and be grateful the CPM got you guys what they could.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Marc Rime
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:41:00 -
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This community: http://fashionablepeople.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/a-pony-next-time-youll-buy-me-one.jpg
Did you honestly think you'd get your damn pony? You got a puppy, be happy with it. |
Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
370
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:42:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:
Nope just read new DEV blog.
Its stuff really just for strong stomach.
I did read the new dev blog. Dropsuit Devblog wrote:After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools. It doesn't say CPM didn't push for a full infatry refund. Does it? Hell whole community in repsec thread wanted full refund and they basicaly told:"Thanks to your CPMs you have dropsiut one." Oki i agree its better than nothing but hell, its not what we wanted. You don't always get exactly what you wanted. You didn't, neither did the other side. Just accept the compromise and be grateful the CPM got you guys what they could.
If there is a chance to have what i want i will fight for that.
And that chance is here.
If you want pizza with olives, you will buy pizza with olives, not just margarita.
Support - Tactician/Support
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Calamity Jane II
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
204
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:43:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all.
Something is better than nothing. unless that something is cyanide. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2928
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:44:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all.
lolcpm didnt give me my vehicle refund
Intelligence is OP
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2184
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:46:00 -
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CPM said we wan't full respec.
CCP said, no but you can have dropsuit command
CPM said, are you sure
CCP said, yeah that or nothing
CPM said, fair enough but we still want weaponry when that skill tree is finished.
TaDa CPM is on our side.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
764
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:48:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all. lolcpm didnt give me my vehicle refund
And the CPM didn't give you the partial respec in 1.8 either -- but they affected those decisions.
lolButthurt player should have been saving SP.
You may now return to your regularly scheduled QQ program....
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
12173
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:49:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all.
I would strongly prefer that.
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1222
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:49:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:
If there is a chance to have what i want i will fight for that.
And that chance is here.
If you want pizza with olives, you will buy pizza with olives, not just margarita.
Your chosen analogy adds another level of irony to your statement. 
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
221
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:50:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:
Nope just read new DEV blog.
Its stuff really just for strong stomach.
I did read the new dev blog. Dropsuit Devblog wrote:After lengthy discussions with the CPM and large amounts of community feedback, the decision has been made to refund all skill points currently spent in the Dropsuit Command tree to playersGÇÖ unallocated SP pools. It doesn't say CPM didn't push for a full infatry refund. Does it? Hell whole community in repsec thread wanted full refund and they basicaly told:"Thanks to your CPMs you have dropsiut one." Oki i agree its better than nothing but hell, its not what we wanted.
Equipment, Weapons and passive skills will ALWAYS be useful for the extent that DUST 514 exists. And we will keep getting new weapons, modules and probably passive skills for the extent of DUST...
Was there gonna be some people after dropsuit changes that would never really use that suit again? hell yea...
But wanting every skill RESPEC-ialized for 1.8... 9 months into the game... Gaining SP, ISK and peer status Off those skills and items.. And now all of a sudden they are useless? is a selfish argument.. Without much merit.
Everyone who knew this understood the best we could hope for was a Skill reimbursal for dropsuit changes. Not a Respecialization.... or Respec. Best to get Refund or Reimbursal in Your peoples brains... Because Respecializations are the way of the Dodo bird in DUST 514. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3099
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:57:00 -
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Hans and Nova are worth it.
IWS and jenza are too Evetarded to be of value here.
The others are fairly nonexistent.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
766
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:00:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all. I would strongly prefer that.
Me too.
Our personal opinions aside, that doesn't change the facts of what the CPM argued for, nor what CCP decided. |
Leonid Tybalt
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
315
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:04:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:And scouts with either no sidearm and/or double equipment slots...
I know people are frustrated but taking it out on the CPM when they do try to represent us doesn't help ****.
I don't need a fuc.king representative. I can speak for myself.
CPM = A joke. Just like all representative democracies. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
12177
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:04:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all. I would strongly prefer that. Me too. Our personal opinions aside, that doesn't change the facts of what the CPM argued for, nor what CCP decided.
Nor does it change the fact that their decision alienates players who patiently waited for backlogged content.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
766
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:06:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all. I would strongly prefer that. Me too. Our personal opinions aside, that doesn't change the facts of what the CPM argued for, nor what CCP decided. Nor does it change the fact that their decision alienates players who patiently waited for backlogged content.
They were going to anger part of the community no matter what they decided.
From where I sit, the partial respec was a reasonable compromise, and the CPM is at least partially responsible for pulling it off.
Do you disagree? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3420
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:11:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm
The gulf in the number of valid arguments for a Dropsuit Command respec, and the number for a broader respec is enormous.
They changed the dropsuits, so we get a dropsuit respec, it's as simple as that.
No.
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
222
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:12:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all. I would strongly prefer that. Me too. Our personal opinions aside, that doesn't change the facts of what the CPM argued for, nor what CCP decided. Nor does it change the fact that their decision alienates players who patiently waited for backlogged content.
Wtf dude? Rockstar promised Heists, Stock market... you name it...
With the highest Net gain for games in that year, with one of the largest development teams in the industry... and nearly 6 months in... It's still only mentioned in vague quotes and mentions...
This game is 9 months in.... At some point you have to get over yourself... and realize their bar was set way to high... And what we are getting now is "New" content... like it is for truth.. Not something they where supposed to wave their magical wand and have 9 months ago for you... otherwise you wouldn't complain about a respec? (Lol, would probably still want a respec)
CCP's fault was telling the community about what was in the works to much... And the community's fault was expecting it immediately after. This is why most development companies keep their customers in the dark about content.. And it's completely guess work and the day of patch notes to figure out what they changed.
This isn't content that was "Owed" to you... that mere notion is selfish beyond belief. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2932
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:44:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all. lolcpm didnt give me my vehicle refund And the CPM didn't give you the partial respec in 1.8 either -- but they affected those decisions. lolButthurt player should have been saving SP. You may now return to your regularly scheduled QQ program....
42mil SP, will be at 45mil after events
Doesnt effect me tho i did back the majority of the infantry community
Intelligence is OP
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2932
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:46:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm The gulf in the number of valid arguments for a Dropsuit Command respec, and the number for a broader respec is enormous. They changed the dropsuits, so we get a dropsuit respec, it's as simple as that.
But they also did tie weapons and equipment to suits
So if you run an AR you need a Gal suit, sure you can use a caldari suit but you recieve no bonus and also if you happen to use logi your equipment doesnt recieve a bonus if you use a diff suit
Intelligence is OP
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1311
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:47:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:And scouts with either no sidearm and/or double equipment slots...
I know people are frustrated but taking it out on the CPM when they do try to represent us doesn't help ****. I don't need a fuc.king representative. I can speak for myself. CPM = A joke. Just like all representative democracies.
Well when you act like that, no one's going to take your ass serious. I'm having trouble doing so right now.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
222
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:54:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm
So why didn't you get your voice heard in 2012 and get chosen by CCP? Or why don't you run for CPM1 and show them how it's done if you say you can better convince CCP to what the community wants? |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2935
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:10:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm So why didn't you get your voice heard in 2012 and get chosen by CCP? Or why don't you run for CPM1 and show them how it's done if you say you can better convince CCP to what the community wants?
Because im not a nodding dog maybe?
CCP picked the 7 dwarfs so that there choice and after a near year of this im more of a fan of scrapping the cpm completely
Intelligence is OP
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Leonid Tybalt
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
315
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:33:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:And scouts with either no sidearm and/or double equipment slots...
I know people are frustrated but taking it out on the CPM when they do try to represent us doesn't help ****. I don't need a fuc.king representative. I can speak for myself. CPM = A joke. Just like all representative democracies. Well when you act like that, no one's going to take your ass serious. I'm having trouble doing so right now.
Excuse me if I don't care too much. The opinions of random blue/redberries isn't exactly at the top of my list of priorities... |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
2520
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:48:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm
This is a completely unconstructive post aiming for nothing more than a reaction. I have nothing but support for the CPM and they do their best to advocate for the Community on a regular basis.
I'd welcome you to articulate your thoughts in a more productive manner because they do get read - both by the CPM and CCP.
Edit: And on that note, I'm moving this to the Council's Chambers in order to encourage you to do just that. :)
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2937
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:51:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm This is a completely unconstructive post aiming for nothing more than a reaction. I have nothing but support for the CPM and they do their best to advocate for the Community on a regular basis. I'd welcome you to articulate your thoughts in a more productive manner because they do get read - both by the CPM and CCP.
A blue tag lol
I get more of a reaction out of someone from CCP than i do from lolcpm
If this kind of interaction with CCP keeps on going you can scrap the lolcpm since i never see them anyways
Intelligence is OP
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1315
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:53:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:And scouts with either no sidearm and/or double equipment slots...
I know people are frustrated but taking it out on the CPM when they do try to represent us doesn't help ****. I don't need a fuc.king representative. I can speak for myself. CPM = A joke. Just like all representative democracies. Well when you act like that, no one's going to take your ass serious. I'm having trouble doing so right now. Excuse me if I don't care too much. The opinions of random blue/redberries isn't exactly at the top of my list of priorities...
*Claps*
Do you see the issues here? What makes you different than me? Who's opinion would you care for more? Someone you know? Someone you consider greater? In the end you're acting the same way you claim CCP act. What makes my opinion not worth your time?
Oh but sure, they're the developers and you're the player/customer, they should listen to you all of the time even when you're acting like a jerk.
Grow up. You act like an inconsiderate person and people find it way harder to consider your opinion.
Having representatives in a community like this is damn near necessary considering all of the "foaming at the mouth" post that circulate through here daily. If the developers took their time out constantly to come here and argue or even just talk about the issues, we'd have a longer development time. 1.8 Would probably take two extra months and we'd be even more rabid or Hell, many would actually leave the game by then.
Even then, you have so many opportunities to talk to them directly but you, and others, obviously don't use these opportunities and would rather, not surprisingly, QQ. You want to change it? Run for CPM. Obviously you, an expert at these things, would be perfect for the job of showing either how useful or useless it really is.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
2520
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:54:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
A blue tag lol
I get more of a reaction out of someone from CCP than i do from lolcpm
If this kind of interaction with CCP keeps on going you can scrap the lolcpm since i never see them anyways
If I could offer you some advice, it's probably because you're not encouraging interaction with threads like this. If you were to approach them constructively then I'm sure they would love to discuss things through with you.
They're very reasonable and open, and I can understand their apprehension when there's little effort being made to approach them in a dignified manner.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:55:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm This is a completely unconstructive post aiming for nothing more than a reaction. I have nothing but support for the CPM and they do their best to advocate for the Community on a regular basis. I'd welcome you to articulate your thoughts in a more productive manner because they do get read - both by the CPM and CCP. Edit: And on that note, I'm moving this to the Council's Chambers in order to encourage you to do just that. :)
Saberwing I enjoy it when you come down on people like this and give them a reality check. Though I hate that it takes time out of your day and I'm sure It frustrates you. I'm really looking forward to 1.8 you guys are doing awesome! |
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1252
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:13:00 -
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If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2953
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:36:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
A blue tag lol
I get more of a reaction out of someone from CCP than i do from lolcpm
If this kind of interaction with CCP keeps on going you can scrap the lolcpm since i never see them anyways
If I could offer you some advice, it's probably because you're not encouraging interaction with threads like this. If you were to approach them constructively then I'm sure they would love to discuss things through with you. They're very reasonable and open, and I can understand their apprehension when there's little effort being made to approach them in a dignified manner.
Already tried it
Not worth the effort tbh, its like taking to a brick wall except the brick wall is actually useful and they are not
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2953
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:37:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it.
I may quiz a few
Would be better if they scrapped it but if we actually get a vote this time then at least we can blame ourselves for picking the idiots
Intelligence is OP
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1252
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:55:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it. I may quiz a few Would be better if they scrapped it but if we actually get a vote this time then at least we can blame ourselves for picking the idiots
Im sure all candidates would welcome more questions.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
375
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:05:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it. I may quiz a few Would be better if they scrapped it but if we actually get a vote this time then at least we can blame ourselves for picking the idiots
The whole issue is they are too shortsighted.
They think its fine that maded "cut" from our wanted full respec.
But how you told before they are completely wrong.
Yes there is suit predisposition for weapons and thas reason why they should make full or suit/arms respec.
I just cant understand how blind this decision was and how i see after that "lock-anade", i wasnt alone who think this was AGAIN wrong decision.
Hell they had poll before where majority wnated full respec.
They have thread, where majority want full one.
There was respec for vehicles, where were turrets.
And infantry again DENIED.
Even with new implemented weapons.
Thats just sick, nothing else.
Blind and sick.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1705
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:10:00 -
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Why would you assume CPM was pushing for only a partial respec because we were only given a partial respec?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:17:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Why would you assume CPM was pushing for only a partial respec because we were only given a partial respec?
"After lengthy discussions with the CPM", the rest with community is basic lie.
There is still plead and majority of community by poll and by respec thread was and still is for full or dropsuit/arms respec.
With implements of new weaponry its basialy same like with armor.
Why it is that difficult to make after one big patch/implementation this step, what will be welcomed by majority.
Thats the real question.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:32:00 -
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You don't understand, Sam.
CCP had no intention of giving any respec.
Thanks to input from the CPM and the community pushing for respecs, CCP has compromised and offered a partial one. The CPM were campaigning for a larger respec, almost assuredly.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:45:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:You don't understand, Sam.
CCP had no intention of giving any respec.
Thanks to input from the CPM and the community pushing for respecs, CCP has compromised and offered a partial one. The CPM were campaigning for a larger respec, almost assuredly.
If that so, oki.
But honestly this was last step of CCP.
Dust dont have future for me under these circumstances.
Basicaly i wanted to make a full caldari tech armory for myself.
But now i have points speced in assets what i needed before, because caldari pistol wasnt there or caldari heavy.
Suit respec is fine i agree and im grand, but what about other specs.
Like sidearm.
I dont want leave that points in that and i defo dont want start that grind for sixth time.
Because from beta time i DIDNT received any of respecs, only last one what was vehicle one.
Why ask CCP.
I saw this like final chance to have finaly possibility to make what i wanted long time ago.
Sadly CCP burned it again.
Now they bought time just till autumn.
That time i'll just leave, because there will be game in what i see bigger future.
Time grinded in dust was fine, but after more and more lies, wrong decisions, setbacks and other stuff with what CCP arives.
Im defo not pepared for grining up fom start (and i already did that five times) again.
Thats my whole story.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:04:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:You don't understand, Sam.
CCP had no intention of giving any respec.
Thanks to input from the CPM and the community pushing for respecs, CCP has compromised and offered a partial one. The CPM were campaigning for a larger respec, almost assuredly. If that so, oki. But honestly this was last step of CCP. Dust dont have future for me under these circumstances. Basicaly i wanted to make a full caldari tech armory for myself. But now i have points speced in assets what i needed before, because caldari pistol wasnt there or caldari heavy. Suit respec is fine i agree and im grand, but what about other specs. Like sidearm. I dont want leave that points in that and i defo dont want start that grind for sixth time. Because from beta time i DIDNT received any of respecs, only last one what was vehicle one. Why ask CCP. I saw this like final chance to have finaly possibility to make what i wanted long time ago. Sadly CCP burned it again. Now they bought time just till autumn. That time i'll just leave, because there will be game in what i see bigger future. Time grinded in dust was fine, but after more and more lies, wrong decisions, setbacks and other stuff with what CCP arives. Im defo not pepared for grining up fom start (and i already did that five times) again. Thats my whole story. You know what im done with forum already, there cant be progress and for what we fought before is f.c.u.k.e.d anyway. Its was pleasure, but there is nothing what we can achieve like comunity, see you for limited time in game. But winter is comming and in that time i will not be in dust anymore.
My question to you Sam is do you really need your SP back out of Weaponry and Dropsuit Upgrades?
Surely any Core Upgrades skills are beneficial to you?
As for weaponry maxing out a weapons skill really only requires between 1.5-2.5 Million SP, and number we are about to receive in the space of 3 days.
So you will have you non Caldari Suits cleared out anyway, your core skills which benefit you in every concievable way will remain which is positive, and of course your weapons skills which you make use of now will most certainly be useful to you and will not need changing.
Surely you can see that you did not really need a refund to your weapons skills, or Core Dropsuit Upgrades.
Not that I would be against having such a refund, it would let me streamline and since the Amarr racial battle doctrine is moving away from dual tanking benefit my combat ability, but for the most part there is nothing to really complain about.
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:16:00 -
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I dont tell about core anything.
What i wanted was just made FINALY pure caldari suit, put skills from things what i will never use again in things what i want full caldari speced persona.
But with this decision i can basicaly start once again and i dont want.
Suit/Arms that was what i wanted.
Im just lucky i never had posibility and i everytime start again.
Im just tired already of that nevereging grind for perfection.
I was really close, but again no luck.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:31:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:I dont tell about core anything.
What i wanted was just made FINALY pure caldari suit, put skills from things what i will never use again in things what i want full caldari speced persona.
But with this decision i can basicaly start once again and i dont want.
Suit/Arms that was what i wanted.
Im just lucky i never had posibility and i everytime start again.
Im just tired already of that nevereging grind for perfection.
I was really close, but again no luck.
Hell im out, im too sad for another fecking conversation about this another fail.
I just cant, there is basicaly nothing to achieve here, just nothing.
In game since beta and still same.
Im nothing else than sad.
Hmm well I doubt your skills will ever be useless. I can see you are a Faction purist like me, I also have skills in weapons that arent of the Amarr....however I am not going to deny that while I will probably never need to use those guns again the fact that I have them and their utility is not wasted.
I dont really know why you are complaining, any weapons you made use of prior to the release of the combat and rail rifles cannot be useless to you.
But as I say its a comparatively small SP investment into your guns to get them operating as you would like, this weekend will provide you enough SP to invest almost fully down one fire arms tree, or unlock all 3 to a respectable level while the refund to dropsuits will allow you to spec into whichever dropsuit you most prefer.
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:39:00 -
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I think you are right, maybe one day i will have whole arms speced just for fun.
I just i was just step from that and again nothing.
I just wanted to put sp spent on scramble pistol on bolt.
Just small thingie, but for me like aspi it meant really big thing.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Vanguard of the Phoenix
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:08:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all.
Yep there is absolutely no proof of that... at all.
"We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:10:00 -
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Doesnt mater, decision was made.
We tried, we achieve something, not what we wanted but still better something for players what needed that most.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:13:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all. Yep there is absolutely no proof of that... at all.
Well, if you don't take the word of CPM members, maybe.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:I dont tell about core anything.
What i wanted was just made FINALY pure caldari suit, put skills from things what i will never use again in things what i want full caldari speced persona.
But with this decision i can basicaly start once again and i dont want.
Suit/Arms that was what i wanted.
Im just lucky i never had posibility and i everytime start again.
Im just tired already of that nevereging grind for perfection.
I was really close, but again no luck.
Hell im out, im too sad for another fecking conversation about this another fail.
I just cant, there is basicaly nothing to achieve here, just nothing.
In game since beta and still same.
Im nothing else than sad. Hmm well I doubt your skills will ever be useless. I can see you are a Faction purist like me, I also have skills in weapons that arent of the Amarr....however I am not going to deny that while I will probably never need to use those guns again the fact that I have them and their utility is not wasted. I dont really know why you are complaining, any weapons you made use of prior to the release of the combat and rail rifles cannot be useless to you. But as I say its a comparatively small SP investment into your guns to get them operating as you would like, this weekend will provide you enough SP to invest almost fully down one fire arms tree, or unlock all 3 to a respectable level while the refund to dropsuits will allow you to spec into whichever dropsuit you most prefer.
In you honour and your tries to open my eyes i will spec fully on that pistol in memory for this time.
I will have some reson to not be angry and leave that be 
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.13 04:57:00 -
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Should CCP have released these suits and weapons a while ago? Of course, these were things that were promised at Fanfest last year.
We still dont know if there wont be a possible weapons respec in the future when all of the racials for heavies and such get released. Its a complete balancing act of when to do it and how much to do it. The CPM has no real power over CCP other than being advocates for the playerbase. It will always be CCP's decision in the end whether to take that advice or not.
One thing that I can push for players who are comfortable in at least one proto suit and weapon of choice is to decide whether you want to stockpile SP or not for future releases. We have known for a while now that new suits and weapons would be coming out and would probably be before Fanfest. I know many people (including myself) that began to save their SP in case we didnt get a full or even a partial respec.
At least with this partial respec and the event that is coming up, players will have a good pool of SP to put into their suits of choice and possibly a new weapon or two. We get SP events pretty regularly so it might not be that bad of a grind after all.
I do agree that this is not an ideal situation and CCP has some blame but I dont know if the CPM could do much more. We will never know due to the NDA.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.13 09:22:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it.
This
Also not evidence but might give a clue as to how close a run thing the fight for a Respec was.
https://twitter.com/ironwolfsaber/status/443884672917860352
Not that I think you'll chose to believe him. I do.
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The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.13 09:23:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it. This
This too.
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Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1934
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:29:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm This is a completely unconstructive post aiming for nothing more than a reaction. I have nothing but support for the CPM and they do their best to advocate for the Community on a regular basis. I'd welcome you to articulate your thoughts in a more productive manner because they do get read - both by the CPM and CCP. A blue tag lol I get more of a reaction out of someone from CCP than i do from lolcpm If this kind of interaction with CCP keeps on going you can scrap the lolcpm since i never see them anyways
It would be inappropriate for them to lash out at you because you are mad, it would make them look like trolls or whatever junk you want to call them. Junk post is junk.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:52:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it. This Also not evidence but might give a clue as to how close a run thing the fight for a Respec was. https://twitter.com/ironwolfsaber/status/443884672917860352Not that I think you'll chose to believe him. I do.
The evidence you call it just shows me that he was prepared to fail and had given up before even talking to CCP about a full infantry refund
Is that who you want repping for the community? giving up before anything has been said? not fighting for the community they are supposed to represent? not even holding CCP to account when they made a respec discussion thread which ended up with more than a 1000 replies and a majority wanting a full infantry refund and clearly explaining why
It was never close, CCP had them by the puppet strings and they danced for there masters yet again
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.03.13 11:44:00 -
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/troll mode on
* Is vehemently surprised Takahiro hasn't leveled accusations of using insider information to gain unfair advantages.
/troll mode off.
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.13 11:58:00 -
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Said this before and I'll say it again.
CCP's obligation, like any game publisher, to listen to and make changes based on community feedback, is precisely zero.
The fact that many publishers do so is a credit to them and is not only good business sense and generates brand loyalty plus it strengthens support for the long term progression and survival of the game, no matter what title it is.
But that invitation to participate in a discussion is in no way a promise to do everything suggested to them. Which is just as well to be honest. If CCP listened to every idea given to them from the players the game would still be in closed beta and in all likelihood, completely unplayable.
Also the community is making suggestions in a vacuum. We've no idea what's coming up in the game, what's been worked on, changes in the internal development process. We know none of it. There may well be significant changes coming to the game that a full Respec might cause problems with. To complain about X or Y not making the game, without tacitly acknowledging that one might not be in full possession of the facts is not a good idea.
We know that CCP Rouge is soon going to be sharing his vision of Dust 514 and well be getting a chance to see it at Fanfest. Till then, I think it a good idea to keep everything civil.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.13 12:45:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm The gulf in the number of valid arguments for a Dropsuit Command respec, and the number for a broader respec is enormous. They changed the dropsuits, so we get a dropsuit respec, it's as simple as that. But they also did tie weapons and equipment to suits So if you run an AR you need a Gal suit, sure you can use a caldari suit but you recieve no bonus and also if you happen to use logi your equipment doesnt recieve a bonus if you use a diff suit
Yup. The specialisation bonuses for the assault is the one reason for a weapon respec. Vs the seven or so for dropsuit.
No.
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Murt Lesp
Hydra's Wraiths
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Posted - 2014.03.13 13:15:00 -
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No disrespect to the CPM but can you list the actions you have taken and the extent you have gone to to aid your fellow players?
A small council of EVE vets to govern Dust outcomes doesn't sit well with me. Add in that gamers did not get to vote for the council makes it frustrating.
Again, no disrespect, I just want better communication between our representatives and us besides the forums. Add a tab on the login page with current CPM actions
It's time for MILLITA MONTH!!!
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dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:03:00 -
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Murt Lesp wrote:No disrespect to the CPM but can you list the actions you have taken and the extent you have gone to to aid your fellow players?
A small council of EVE vets to govern Dust outcomes doesn't sit well with me. Add in that gamers did not get to vote for the council makes it frustrating.
Again, no disrespect, I just want better communication between our representatives and us besides the forums. Add a tab on the login page with current CPM actions
A fair amount of what goes on happens under the NDA so no, you are probably not going to get a list.
I also think it unfair to characterize them as 'eve vets' when this crew has been involved since very early closed beta. You can't actually have dust characters any older than that.
'Govern' interesting choice of word, but that doesn't really describe what the CPM is doing, or even attempting to do.
True they weren't voted in, but so what. Hold no delusions about how videogame democracy works. ( madness mostly ).
Communication can always be improved. Generally CCP is pretty amazingly open about what they are doing, much more so than most other game developers. Do not misunderstand this with the idea they work for you.
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Murt Lesp
Hydra's Wraiths
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Posted - 2014.03.13 14:08:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Murt Lesp wrote:No disrespect to the CPM but can you list the actions you have taken and the extent you have gone to to aid your fellow players?
A small council of EVE vets to govern Dust outcomes doesn't sit well with me. Add in that gamers did not get to vote for the council makes it frustrating.
Again, no disrespect, I just want better communication between our representatives and us besides the forums. Add a tab on the login page with current CPM actions A fair amount of what goes on happens under the NDA so no, you are probably not going to get a list. I also think it unfair to characterize them as 'eve vets' when this crew has been involved since very early closed beta. You can't actually have dust characters any older than that. 'Govern' interesting choice of word, but that doesn't really describe what the CPM is doing, or even attempting to do. True they weren't voted in, but so what. Hold no delusions about how videogame democracy works. ( madness mostly ). Communication can always be improved. Generally CCP is pretty amazingly open about what they are doing, much more so than most other game developers. Do not misunderstand this with the idea they work for you.
You are correct. We are lucky to have what we have but we'll always want better. I say EVE vets because that was the criteria used to make them eligible when they were appointed. Also, I had no idea that the NDA was in place; the more I know now.
I'm never going to stop supporting the game I'd just like to be heard and informed about how things are progressing.
Thank you, Dent, for your insight
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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:05:00 -
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Nope.
I think whole night about it.
And now i see clearly something.
And thats something is completely wrong/shortsighed decision.
I still pleading for full respec.
Till that time i will be on pasive.
Long time ago, when i speced in AA i put points in scramble pistol and now there was the chance to put it in racialy right bolt.
What is different between racial suits and weapons.
Im purst i want to use caldari only tech is that difficult to put out full respec?!
The full respec can be an influx gate for players who left.
But how i can see, that listening to community was somehow missinterprated by CCP like suit spec only.
If there will be weapon in future i will gladly wait.
But after approx 51+ pages (in time of decision) where we pleaded for full, CCP just arive with this cut.
I just want have chance to finalize my suit racialy with all lore purism, nothing else.
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Leonid Tybalt
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
317
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:49:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:And scouts with either no sidearm and/or double equipment slots...
I know people are frustrated but taking it out on the CPM when they do try to represent us doesn't help ****. I don't need a fuc.king representative. I can speak for myself. CPM = A joke. Just like all representative democracies. Well when you act like that, no one's going to take your ass serious. I'm having trouble doing so right now. Excuse me if I don't care too much. The opinions of random blue/redberries isn't exactly at the top of my list of priorities... *Claps* Do you see the issues here? What makes you different than me? Who's opinion would you care for more? Someone you know? Someone you consider greater? In the end you're acting the same way you claim CCP act. What makes my opinion not worth your time? Oh but sure, they're the developers and you're the player/customer, they should listen to you all of the time even when you're acting like a jerk. Grow up. You act like an inconsiderate person and people find it way harder to consider your opinion. Having representatives in a community like this is damn near necessary considering all of the "foaming at the mouth" post that circulate through here daily. If the developers took their time out constantly to come here and argue or even just talk about the issues, we'd have a longer development time. 1.8 Would probably take two extra months and we'd be even more rabid or Hell, many would actually leave the game by then. Even then, you have so many opportunities to talk to them directly but you, and others, obviously don't use these opportunities and would rather, not surprisingly, QQ. You want to change it? Run for CPM. Obviously you, an expert at these things, would be perfect for the job of showing either how useful or useless it really is.
I'm not acting like a jerk towards any developers. I'm very concise and to the point with opinions and criticism towards them.
The so called "CPM" and random red/blue-berries however is an entirely different matter altogether. I don't have reason to be "considerate" towards you, simply because none of you have any power over my gaming experience or the development of the game.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.03.13 20:45:00 -
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Murt Lesp wrote:No disrespect to the CPM but can you list the actions you have taken and the extent you have gone to to aid your fellow players?
A small council of EVE vets to govern Dust outcomes doesn't sit well with me. Add in that gamers did not get to vote for the council makes it frustrating.
Again, no disrespect, I just want better communication between our representatives and us besides the forums. Add a tab on the login page with current CPM actions
I can rattle off a few.
Forwarding Issues on players behalf involving game play lamentations. While we're not balancing things per say we constantly bother CCP with things that are not balanced and ask them to fix it. COmmunity has been helpful in finding these things for forward and CCP Saberwing is getting better at trying to beat the CPM to the punch.
PC Changes pointing out the issues [Ongoing ever since it was introduced Blame CPM Kain and CPM Nova Knife on these] (120 man hours, 2 Specific Meetings)
LP Railgun vs Proto Railgun DPS typo confirmation [yesterday] (15 man minutes, casual)
Swarm Bug (thanks judge) [Late 1.7] (2 man minutes, casual)
Railgun Dominance [Shortly after 1.7] (2 man minutes, casual)
Full Respec [Since 1.5] (720 man hours, 0 Specific Meetings)
Infantry's AV role life improvement (unfortunately not a weapon buff) [Since 1.7-(expected resolution 1.8)] (8 Man Hours, Impromptu asked in meeting x3)
TTK most recent of which (I apologize for the AV nerf brought it up in a short chit chat for a followup) [Since 1.6] (32 man hours, 2 dedicated meetings, lots of small talk)
HAV pricing (I disagreed with this) [1.5-1.7] (2 man hours)
Event Refinement [ongoing] (appox 32 man hours per event)
Dev blog refinement [ongoing] (appox 16 man hours per blog if presented)
CCP - CPM - Community Triad Loop (ongoing issue) (ongoing Clocked over 1k+ manhours so far, 6 dedicated meetings ongoing)
White Papers (Beta-1.4) (40 man hours)
White Papers Publishing (1.3-1.7) (I stopped counting hours... its probably over 2k)
Community Management Report Reviews (Ongoing) So far CCP is community team is well in tune. (appox 16 man hours per report)
Early unbiased but reserved feedback on the The Next Thing(s) (Since Uprising 1.0)
Quick Pokes when server issues crop. (15 minutes)
Getting to the bottom of some complaints as people way things are broken but never explain how. (not recorded averages nearly 1-20 man hours per incident)
Yelling at CCP for Uprising 1.0 (1.1-1.3?) (was not recording hours back then)
List is on going I am sure if I poured over the previous meeting notes I've taken the list about 8x longer.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Murt Lesp
Hydra's Wraiths
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:09:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Murt Lesp wrote:No disrespect to the CPM but can you list the actions you have taken and the extent you have gone to to aid your fellow players?
A small council of EVE vets to govern Dust outcomes doesn't sit well with me. Add in that gamers did not get to vote for the council makes it frustrating.
Again, no disrespect, I just want better communication between our representatives and us besides the forums. Add a tab on the login page with current CPM actions I can rattle off a few. Forwarding Issues on players behalf involving game play lamentations. While we're not balancing things per say we constantly bother CCP with things that are not balanced and ask them to fix it. COmmunity has been helpful in finding these things for forward and CCP Saberwing is getting better at trying to beat the CPM to the punch. 1.8 Follow up, (appox, 3 man hours so far, pending patch day)
PC Changes pointing out the issues [Ongoing ever since it was introduced Blame CPM Kain and CPM Nova Knife on these] (120 man hours, 2 Specific Meetings)
LP Railgun vs Proto Railgun DPS typo confirmation [yesterday] (15 man minutes, casual, pending further action)
Swarm Bug (thanks judge) [Late 1.7] (2 man minutes, casual, pending further action)
1.8 Suit balances Slot layout (42 man hours, one specific meeting)
TTK Aftermath (1 hours, casual, pending further action)
Railgun Dominance [Shortly after 1.7] (2 man minutes, casual,pending further action)
Full Respec [Since 1.5] (720 man hours, 0 Specific Meetings)
CPM Charter refinement (24 man hours)
Infantry's AV role life improvement (unfortunately not a weapon buff) [Since 1.7-(expected resolution 1.8)] (8 Man Hours, Impromptu asked in meeting x3)
TTK (I apologize for the AV nerf brought it up in a short chit chat for a followup) [Since 1.6] (52 man hours, 2 dedicated meetings, lots of small talk)
HAV pricing (I disagreed with this) [1.5-1.7] (2 man hours)
Event Refinement [ongoing] (appox 32 man hours per event, specific meetings when warranted)
Dev blog refinement [ongoing] (appox 16 man hours per blog if presented, averages longer if blog is a bad subject)
CCP - CPM - Community Triad Loop (ongoing issue) (ongoing Clocked over 1k+ manhours so far, 6 dedicated meetings ongoing)
White Papers (Beta-1.4) (40 man hours)
White Papers Publishing (1.3-1.7) (I stopped counting hours... its probably over 2k)
Community Management Report Reviews (Ongoing) So far CCP is community team is well in tune. (appox 16 man hours per report)
Early unbiased but reserved feedback on the The Next Thing(s) (Since Uprising 1.0)
Quick Pokes when server issues crop. (15 minutes)
Getting to the bottom of some complaints as people way things are broken but never explain how. (not recorded averages nearly 1-20 man hours per incident)
Yelling at CCP for Uprising 1.0 (1.1-1.3?) (was not recording hours back then)
List is on going I am sure if I poured over the previous meeting notes I've taken the list about 8x longer.
Thank you, Iron Wolf Saber
This is the single greatest post I have read on the forums. Thank you for sharing this information, and thank you for keeping us in mind (as a member of a 3-man corp I like being heard)
You'd be getting my vote for CPM1
It's time for MILLITA MONTH!!!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13386
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:16:00 -
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Crap missed a crud tonn of things including public face time, CPM / CSM joint sessions, Internal Debates, CPM1 Fostering and Nurturing, After Meetings, Follow Up Meetings, Follow Up, 'Homework', Bro / Vent Talks, and Game Sessions, and no; no timestamps as I kept most of those off records. But based on portional amounts of the activity I say counts nearly 50% of the other cpm activity give or take.
Does not include forum, face time ingame, ingame meets, pod casts, video interviews, AMAs (last ama I was part of was 22 man hours) Skype chats with players, and IRC time.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1053
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:26:00 -
[74] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Crap missed a crud tonn of things including public face time, CPM / CSM joint sessions, Internal Debates, CPM1 Fostering and Nurturing, After Meetings, Follow Up Meetings, Follow Up, 'Homework', Bro / Vent Talks, and Game Sessions, and no; no timestamps as I kept most of those off records. But based on portional amounts of the activity I say counts nearly 50% of the other cpm activity give or take.
Does not include forum, face time ingame, ingame meets, pod casts, video interviews, AMAs (last ama I was part of was 22 man hours) Skype chats with players, and IRC time.
I know CPM spends hundreds of hours working for us, so don't take this the wrong way... I am just playing devil's advocate...
If you have spent so much time preaching to CCP about the respec why aren't we being given a full infantry respec?
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1713
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Posted - 2014.03.14 02:09:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:If you have spent so much time preaching to CCP about the respec why aren't we being given a full infantry respec?
The game's designed for no respecs. CCP had no intention of giving you a respec. Likely for a combination of design, balance, and marketing reasons. CPM got them to compromise, which is probably a win.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13390
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Posted - 2014.03.14 04:46:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Crap missed a crud tonn of things including public face time, CPM / CSM joint sessions, Internal Debates, CPM1 Fostering and Nurturing, After Meetings, Follow Up Meetings, Follow Up, 'Homework', Bro / Vent Talks, and Game Sessions, and no; no timestamps as I kept most of those off records. But based on portional amounts of the activity I say counts nearly 50% of the other cpm activity give or take.
Does not include forum, face time ingame, ingame meets, pod casts, video interviews, AMAs (last ama I was part of was 22 man hours) Skype chats with players, and IRC time. I know CPM spends hundreds of hours working for us, so don't take this the wrong way... I am just playing devil's advocate... If you have spent so much time preaching to CCP about the respec why aren't we being given a full infantry respec?
I can't give you the whole reason, not yet, which is also the big reason and main reason why. I will divulge a minor factor though. Look at the previous respecs / refunds and how often those cause more problems than they fixed. As a reminder this was a small factor in the overall discussion.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1054
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:01:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I can't give you the whole reason, not yet, which is also the big reason and main reason why.
NDA's are a sonofabitch...
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I will divulge a minor factor though. Look at the previous respecs / refunds and how often those cause more problems than they fixed. As a reminder this was a small factor in the overall discussion.
What problems did it cause? I mean, I know many vehicle pilots were grateful for the SP refund. I also know we don't see all of the beautiful data CCP sees... did the last SP refund cause a hamster rebellion or something?
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13395
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:47:00 -
[78] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I can't give you the whole reason, not yet, which is also the big reason and main reason why. NDA's are a sonofabitch... Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I will divulge a minor factor though. Look at the previous respecs / refunds and how often those cause more problems than they fixed. As a reminder this was a small factor in the overall discussion. What problems did it cause? I mean, I know many vehicle pilots were grateful for the SP refund. I also know we don't see all of the beautiful data CCP sees... did the last SP refund cause a hamster rebellion or something?
The one before that had more publicly seen problems.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1058
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:52:00 -
[79] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The one before that had more publicly seen problems.
Was that the respec that players had to opt-in to by opening a support ticket?
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13395
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:54:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The one before that had more publicly seen problems. Was that the respec that players had to opt-in to by opening a support ticket?
and the people who accidentally got millions of more isk as well.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1062
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:and the people who accidentally got millions of more isk as well.
Was not aware of that part... okay so respecs can cause some collateral damage then.
Oh, and Sam Tektzby keeps going on and on about you saying there will never be a weapon respec. Did you ever say that?
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1719
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:59:00 -
[82] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:and the people who accidentally got millions of more isk as well.
This wouldn't have been so bad if CCP hadn't issued everyone 125 vehicles in a recent event that they removed from the game shortly thereafter. That was the bulk of the ISK.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Murt Lesp
Hydra's Wraiths
34
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Posted - 2014.03.14 15:31:00 -
[83] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
and the people who accidentally got millions of more isk as well.
I remember that time. 64,500,000 isk in my wallet was nice, but I made sure not to spend it. Mistakes are made during refunds so they're clearly focused on damage control so that players aren't millions in debt like last time.
It's time for MILLITA MONTH!!!
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1256
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Posted - 2014.03.14 15:43:00 -
[84] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:and the people who accidentally got millions of more isk as well. Was not aware of that part... okay so respecs can cause some collateral damage then. Oh, and Sam Tektzby keeps going on and on about you saying there will never be a weapon respec. Did you ever say that?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1933121#post1933121
Sam sometimes just doesn't seem to remember, or care about, clarifying that it's a personal assessment, not a claim of literall truth.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13397
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Posted - 2014.03.14 15:45:00 -
[85] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:and the people who accidentally got millions of more isk as well. Was not aware of that part... okay so respecs can cause some collateral damage then. Oh, and Sam Tektzby keeps going on and on about you saying there will never be a weapon respec. Did you ever say that?
I said it was very unlikely, people are attracted to weapons for their performance and until true full parity is met (which is likely never to happen as all of our current weapons save for the assaults) are in classes of their each own.
What ccp should strive for from now on though when it comes to weapon introductions is by classes and filling out the rest of the racial class at a time and start with a priority list such as new heavy weapons and more.
Also if you watched Pyrex video he does make several fair points about the dangers of giving respecs out in such manners all the time.
That there will be people who will pick the winning combination and with all that SP would make the next op fotm fit before it becomes fotm and get the jump start.
Mind you the CPM never did conceded on not having the other two in talks with CCP as we had reasons to go full respec in our talks.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1070
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Posted - 2014.03.14 15:49:00 -
[86] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:*snip*
I guess I am just a bit bitter... I had nearly maxed AR because it was what was on my starter fit. Now I am wiser and each race has it's own rifle finally. I fully plan on never using that AR again, but I'm stuck with the AR simply because CCP hadn't released the RR yet. Essentially, 1.5 - 2mil SP from my lifetime SP total is wasted.
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13399
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Posted - 2014.03.14 18:35:00 -
[87] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:*snip* I guess I am just a bit bitter... I had nearly maxed AR because it was what was on my starter fit. Now I am wiser and each race has it's own rifle finally. I fully plan on never using that AR again, but I'm stuck with the AR simply because CCP hadn't released the RR yet. Essentially, 1.5 - 2mil SP from my lifetime SP total is wasted.
and there may come a time your new favorite weapon may get nerfed, or may get over nerfed into oblivion.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1082
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Posted - 2014.03.14 18:38:00 -
[88] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:and there may come a time your new favorite weapon may get nerfed, or may get over nerfed into oblivion.
I'd take a break from Dust until CCP fixed it or I'd use another Caldari weapon until then. Just anything but the AR. If I could have CCP delete those SP from my skill tree I would ask them to do it. I feel the refund it necessary, but if they could at least delete the SP I'd be satisfied.
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13399
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Posted - 2014.03.14 18:41:00 -
[89] - Quote
Ripley Riley wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:and there may come a time your new favorite weapon may get nerfed, or may get over nerfed into oblivion. I'd take a break from Dust until CCP fixed it or I'd use another Caldari weapon until then. Just anything but the AR. If I could have CCP delete those SP from my skill tree I would ask them to do it. I feel the refund it necessary, but if they could at least delete the SP I'd be satisfied.
Inversely there is always a chance they can buff something.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1082
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Posted - 2014.03.14 18:44:00 -
[90] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Inversely there is always a chance they can buff something.
If CCP made 2,500RPM AR's shoot Minmatar/Gallente-seeking bullets with a 10m splash radius, 200m optimal range, and 0.5 reload speed I still would not use them.
I'm not sure I am making it just how clear I don't want to use the AR. If CCP offered me an omega booster every time I fit an AR and killed someone with it, I would turn them down.
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
385
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Posted - 2014.03.20 01:10:00 -
[91] - Quote
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm This is a completely unconstructive post aiming for nothing more than a reaction. I have nothing but support for the CPM and they do their best to advocate for the Community on a regular basis. I'd welcome you to articulate your thoughts in a more productive manner because they do get read - both by the CPM and CCP. A blue tag lol I get more of a reaction out of someone from CCP than i do from lolcpm If this kind of interaction with CCP keeps on going you can scrap the lolcpm since i never see them anyways
do you honeslty think that the cpm should put up with your ****? cause i dont see why anyone would want to reply to you. try using manners be polite. you do relise that being on the cpm is almost a full time job with no pay dont you? becuase if i was on the cpm and it will never happen id tell you to go reproduce with yourself.
i want proxie chat so i can run around in the gall heavy saying GET IN MAH BELLY. nah just kidding trade window please=)
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
839
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Posted - 2014.03.22 14:20:00 -
[92] - Quote
Leadfoot10 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all. I would strongly prefer that. Me too. Our personal opinions aside, that doesn't change the facts of what the CPM argued for, nor what CCP decided. Nor does it change the fact that their decision alienates players who patiently waited for backlogged content. They were going to anger part of the community no matter what they decided. From where I sit, the partial respec was a reasonable compromise, and the CPM is at least partially responsible for pulling it off. Do you disagree?
I do, CCP had stated prior to the tank respec that if they mangle a whole skill tree or class of X item there would be a respec, can't recall when or who exactly said it but maybe the search button works, try looking for any topic about respecs that have blue or red tags and sometime around the start of uprising when the full respecs were available shortly after the game came out of open beta.
That said, I am sure the CPM have done a great service to the community by keeping tired and brainstorming devs from making poor decisions like nerfing wholesale all weapons...wait that didn't happen...I hope they prevented something bad from happening, lets see, we have tanks that smash everything other than the Jihaders and now will have in 1.8 a weapon damage modifier that adds less than a pittance of dps. Was there something worse that they stopped to prevent them from stopping this?
LogiGod earns his pips
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1768
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Posted - 2014.03.22 21:36:00 -
[93] - Quote
Draco, all the weapons NEEDED to be nerfed.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Murt Lesp
Hydra's Wraiths
62
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Posted - 2014.03.22 21:45:00 -
[94] - Quote
Soraya Xel wrote:Draco, all the weapons NEEDED to be nerfed.
Agreed combat is more fun when dueling
1.8's first 2 weeks should be nothing but basic suits so that people can sort themselves out: I know I will
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3070
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Posted - 2014.03.23 13:40:00 -
[95] - Quote
boba's fetta wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm This is a completely unconstructive post aiming for nothing more than a reaction. I have nothing but support for the CPM and they do their best to advocate for the Community on a regular basis. I'd welcome you to articulate your thoughts in a more productive manner because they do get read - both by the CPM and CCP. A blue tag lol I get more of a reaction out of someone from CCP than i do from lolcpm If this kind of interaction with CCP keeps on going you can scrap the lolcpm since i never see them anyways do you honeslty think that the cpm should put up with your ****? cause i dont see why anyone would want to reply to you. try using manners be polite. you do relise that being on the cpm is almost a full time job with no pay dont you? becuase if i was on the cpm and it will never happen id tell you to go reproduce with yourself.
Full time job lol
If it was a job they would have been fired by now
Intelligence is OP
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1592
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Posted - 2014.03.24 22:12:00 -
[96] - Quote
Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all.
we probably wouldnt need one in the first place.
Who wants some?
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