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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:46:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm The gulf in the number of valid arguments for a Dropsuit Command respec, and the number for a broader respec is enormous. They changed the dropsuits, so we get a dropsuit respec, it's as simple as that.
But they also did tie weapons and equipment to suits
So if you run an AR you need a Gal suit, sure you can use a caldari suit but you recieve no bonus and also if you happen to use logi your equipment doesnt recieve a bonus if you use a diff suit
Intelligence is OP
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1311
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:47:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:And scouts with either no sidearm and/or double equipment slots...
I know people are frustrated but taking it out on the CPM when they do try to represent us doesn't help ****. I don't need a fuc.king representative. I can speak for myself. CPM = A joke. Just like all representative democracies.
Well when you act like that, no one's going to take your ass serious. I'm having trouble doing so right now.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
222
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:54:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm So why didn't you get your voice heard in 2012 and get chosen by CCP? Or why don't you run for CPM1 and show them how it's done if you say you can better convince CCP to what the community wants? |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2935
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:10:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm So why didn't you get your voice heard in 2012 and get chosen by CCP? Or why don't you run for CPM1 and show them how it's done if you say you can better convince CCP to what the community wants?
Because im not a nodding dog maybe?
CCP picked the 7 dwarfs so that there choice and after a near year of this im more of a fan of scrapping the cpm completely
Intelligence is OP
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Leonid Tybalt
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
315
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:33:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:And scouts with either no sidearm and/or double equipment slots...
I know people are frustrated but taking it out on the CPM when they do try to represent us doesn't help ****. I don't need a fuc.king representative. I can speak for myself. CPM = A joke. Just like all representative democracies. Well when you act like that, no one's going to take your ass serious. I'm having trouble doing so right now.
Excuse me if I don't care too much. The opinions of random blue/redberries isn't exactly at the top of my list of priorities... |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P C C P Alliance
2520
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:48:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm This is a completely unconstructive post aiming for nothing more than a reaction. I have nothing but support for the CPM and they do their best to advocate for the Community on a regular basis.
I'd welcome you to articulate your thoughts in a more productive manner because they do get read - both by the CPM and CCP.
Edit: And on that note, I'm moving this to the Council's Chambers in order to encourage you to do just that. :)
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2937
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:51:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm This is a completely unconstructive post aiming for nothing more than a reaction. I have nothing but support for the CPM and they do their best to advocate for the Community on a regular basis. I'd welcome you to articulate your thoughts in a more productive manner because they do get read - both by the CPM and CCP.
A blue tag lol
I get more of a reaction out of someone from CCP than i do from lolcpm
If this kind of interaction with CCP keeps on going you can scrap the lolcpm since i never see them anyways
Intelligence is OP
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1315
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:53:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:And scouts with either no sidearm and/or double equipment slots...
I know people are frustrated but taking it out on the CPM when they do try to represent us doesn't help ****. I don't need a fuc.king representative. I can speak for myself. CPM = A joke. Just like all representative democracies. Well when you act like that, no one's going to take your ass serious. I'm having trouble doing so right now. Excuse me if I don't care too much. The opinions of random blue/redberries isn't exactly at the top of my list of priorities...
*Claps*
Do you see the issues here? What makes you different than me? Who's opinion would you care for more? Someone you know? Someone you consider greater? In the end you're acting the same way you claim CCP act. What makes my opinion not worth your time?
Oh but sure, they're the developers and you're the player/customer, they should listen to you all of the time even when you're acting like a jerk.
Grow up. You act like an inconsiderate person and people find it way harder to consider your opinion.
Having representatives in a community like this is damn near necessary considering all of the "foaming at the mouth" post that circulate through here daily. If the developers took their time out constantly to come here and argue or even just talk about the issues, we'd have a longer development time. 1.8 Would probably take two extra months and we'd be even more rabid or Hell, many would actually leave the game by then.
Even then, you have so many opportunities to talk to them directly but you, and others, obviously don't use these opportunities and would rather, not surprisingly, QQ. You want to change it? Run for CPM. Obviously you, an expert at these things, would be perfect for the job of showing either how useful or useless it really is.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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CCP Saberwing
C C P C C P Alliance
2520
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:54:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote: A blue tag lol
I get more of a reaction out of someone from CCP than i do from lolcpm
If this kind of interaction with CCP keeps on going you can scrap the lolcpm since i never see them anyways
If I could offer you some advice, it's probably because you're not encouraging interaction with threads like this. If you were to approach them constructively then I'm sure they would love to discuss things through with you.
They're very reasonable and open, and I can understand their apprehension when there's little effort being made to approach them in a dignified manner.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Pvt Numnutz
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:55:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lolcpm This is a completely unconstructive post aiming for nothing more than a reaction. I have nothing but support for the CPM and they do their best to advocate for the Community on a regular basis. I'd welcome you to articulate your thoughts in a more productive manner because they do get read - both by the CPM and CCP. Edit: And on that note, I'm moving this to the Council's Chambers in order to encourage you to do just that. :) Saberwing I enjoy it when you come down on people like this and give them a reality check. Though I hate that it takes time out of your day and I'm sure It frustrates you. I'm really looking forward to 1.8 you guys are doing awesome! |
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1252
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:13:00 -
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If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2953
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:36:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: A blue tag lol
I get more of a reaction out of someone from CCP than i do from lolcpm
If this kind of interaction with CCP keeps on going you can scrap the lolcpm since i never see them anyways
If I could offer you some advice, it's probably because you're not encouraging interaction with threads like this. If you were to approach them constructively then I'm sure they would love to discuss things through with you. They're very reasonable and open, and I can understand their apprehension when there's little effort being made to approach them in a dignified manner.
Already tried it
Not worth the effort tbh, its like taking to a brick wall except the brick wall is actually useful and they are not
Intelligence is OP
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2953
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:37:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it.
I may quiz a few
Would be better if they scrapped it but if we actually get a vote this time then at least we can blame ourselves for picking the idiots
Intelligence is OP
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1252
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:55:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it. I may quiz a few Would be better if they scrapped it but if we actually get a vote this time then at least we can blame ourselves for picking the idiots
Im sure all candidates would welcome more questions.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
375
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:05:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it. I may quiz a few Would be better if they scrapped it but if we actually get a vote this time then at least we can blame ourselves for picking the idiots
The whole issue is they are too shortsighted. They think its fine that maded "cut" from our wanted full respec. But how you told before they are completely wrong. Yes there is suit predisposition for weapons and thas reason why they should make full or suit/arms respec. I just cant understand how blind this decision was and how i see after that "lock-anade", i wasnt alone who think this was AGAIN wrong decision. Hell they had poll before where majority wnated full respec. They have thread, where majority want full one. There was respec for vehicles, where were turrets. And infantry again DENIED. Even with new implemented weapons. Thats just sick, nothing else. Blind and sick.
Support - Tactician/Support
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
1705
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:10:00 -
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Why would you assume CPM was pushing for only a partial respec because we were only given a partial respec?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
376
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:17:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Why would you assume CPM was pushing for only a partial respec because we were only given a partial respec?
"After lengthy discussions with the CPM", the rest with community is basic lie. There is still plead and majority of community by poll and by respec thread was and still is for full or dropsuit/arms respec. With implements of new weaponry its basialy same like with armor. Why it is that difficult to make after one big patch/implementation this step, what will be welcomed by majority. Thats the real question.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
1705
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:32:00 -
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You don't understand, Sam.
CCP had no intention of giving any respec.
Thanks to input from the CPM and the community pushing for respecs, CCP has compromised and offered a partial one. The CPM were campaigning for a larger respec, almost assuredly.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
378
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:45:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:You don't understand, Sam.
CCP had no intention of giving any respec.
Thanks to input from the CPM and the community pushing for respecs, CCP has compromised and offered a partial one. The CPM were campaigning for a larger respec, almost assuredly.
If that so, oki. But honestly this was last step of CCP. Dust dont have future for me under these circumstances. Basicaly i wanted to make a full caldari tech armory for myself. But now i have points speced in assets what i needed before, because caldari pistol wasnt there or caldari heavy. Suit respec is fine i agree and im grand, but what about other specs. Like sidearm. I dont want leave that points in that and i defo dont want start that grind for sixth time. Because from beta time i DIDNT received any of respecs, only last one what was vehicle one. Why ask CCP. I saw this like final chance to have finaly possibility to make what i wanted long time ago. Sadly CCP burned it again. Now they bought time just till autumn. That time i'll just leave, because there will be game in what i see bigger future. Time grinded in dust was fine, but after more and more lies, wrong decisions, setbacks and other stuff with what CCP arives. Im defo not pepared for grining up fom start (and i already did that five times) again. Thats my whole story.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8150
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:04:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:You don't understand, Sam.
CCP had no intention of giving any respec.
Thanks to input from the CPM and the community pushing for respecs, CCP has compromised and offered a partial one. The CPM were campaigning for a larger respec, almost assuredly. If that so, oki. But honestly this was last step of CCP. Dust dont have future for me under these circumstances. Basicaly i wanted to make a full caldari tech armory for myself. But now i have points speced in assets what i needed before, because caldari pistol wasnt there or caldari heavy. Suit respec is fine i agree and im grand, but what about other specs. Like sidearm. I dont want leave that points in that and i defo dont want start that grind for sixth time. Because from beta time i DIDNT received any of respecs, only last one what was vehicle one. Why ask CCP. I saw this like final chance to have finaly possibility to make what i wanted long time ago. Sadly CCP burned it again. Now they bought time just till autumn. That time i'll just leave, because there will be game in what i see bigger future. Time grinded in dust was fine, but after more and more lies, wrong decisions, setbacks and other stuff with what CCP arives. Im defo not pepared for grining up fom start (and i already did that five times) again. Thats my whole story. You know what im done with forum already, there cant be progress and for what we fought before is f.c.u.k.e.d anyway. Its was pleasure, but there is nothing what we can achieve like comunity, see you for limited time in game. But winter is comming and in that time i will not be in dust anymore.
My question to you Sam is do you really need your SP back out of Weaponry and Dropsuit Upgrades?
Surely any Core Upgrades skills are beneficial to you?
As for weaponry maxing out a weapons skill really only requires between 1.5-2.5 Million SP, and number we are about to receive in the space of 3 days.
So you will have you non Caldari Suits cleared out anyway, your core skills which benefit you in every concievable way will remain which is positive, and of course your weapons skills which you make use of now will most certainly be useful to you and will not need changing.
Surely you can see that you did not really need a refund to your weapons skills, or Core Dropsuit Upgrades.
Not that I would be against having such a refund, it would let me streamline and since the Amarr racial battle doctrine is moving away from dual tanking benefit my combat ability, but for the most part there is nothing to really complain about.
" ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters"
- Malleus Malificorum
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
386
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:16:00 -
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I dont tell about core anything.
What i wanted was just made FINALY pure caldari suit, put skills from things what i will never use again in things what i want full caldari speced persona. But with this decision i can basicaly start once again and i dont want. Suit/Arms that was what i wanted. Im just lucky i never had posibility and i everytime start again. Im just tired already of that nevereging grind for perfection. I was really close, but again no luck.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8153
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:31:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:I dont tell about core anything.
What i wanted was just made FINALY pure caldari suit, put skills from things what i will never use again in things what i want full caldari speced persona. But with this decision i can basicaly start once again and i dont want. Suit/Arms that was what i wanted. Im just lucky i never had posibility and i everytime start again. Im just tired already of that nevereging grind for perfection. I was really close, but again no luck.
Hell im out, im too sad for another fecking conversation about this another fail. I just cant, there is basicaly nothing to achieve here, just nothing. In game since beta and still same. Im nothing else than sad.
Hmm well I doubt your skills will ever be useless. I can see you are a Faction purist like me, I also have skills in weapons that arent of the Amarr....however I am not going to deny that while I will probably never need to use those guns again the fact that I have them and their utility is not wasted.
I dont really know why you are complaining, any weapons you made use of prior to the release of the combat and rail rifles cannot be useless to you.
But as I say its a comparatively small SP investment into your guns to get them operating as you would like, this weekend will provide you enough SP to invest almost fully down one fire arms tree, or unlock all 3 to a respectable level while the refund to dropsuits will allow you to spec into whichever dropsuit you most prefer.
" ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters"
- Malleus Malificorum
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
386
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:39:00 -
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I think you are right, maybe one day i will have whole arms speced just for fun. I just i was just step from that and again nothing. I just wanted to put sp spent on scramble pistol on bolt. Just small thingie, but for me like aspi it meant really big thing.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix
453
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:08:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all.
Yep there is absolutely no proof of that... at all.
"We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:10:00 -
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Doesnt mater, decision was made. We tried, we achieve something, not what we wanted but still better something for players what needed that most.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
1709
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:13:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Consider this: If the CPM weren't involved, you'd be getting no respec at all. Yep there is absolutely no proof of that... at all.
Well, if you don't take the word of CPM members, maybe.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
387
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:I dont tell about core anything.
What i wanted was just made FINALY pure caldari suit, put skills from things what i will never use again in things what i want full caldari speced persona. But with this decision i can basicaly start once again and i dont want. Suit/Arms that was what i wanted. Im just lucky i never had posibility and i everytime start again. Im just tired already of that nevereging grind for perfection. I was really close, but again no luck.
Hell im out, im too sad for another fecking conversation about this another fail. I just cant, there is basicaly nothing to achieve here, just nothing. In game since beta and still same. Im nothing else than sad. Hmm well I doubt your skills will ever be useless. I can see you are a Faction purist like me, I also have skills in weapons that arent of the Amarr....however I am not going to deny that while I will probably never need to use those guns again the fact that I have them and their utility is not wasted. I dont really know why you are complaining, any weapons you made use of prior to the release of the combat and rail rifles cannot be useless to you. But as I say its a comparatively small SP investment into your guns to get them operating as you would like, this weekend will provide you enough SP to invest almost fully down one fire arms tree, or unlock all 3 to a respectable level while the refund to dropsuits will allow you to spec into whichever dropsuit you most prefer.
In you honour and your tries to open my eyes i will spec fully on that pistol in memory for this time. I will have some reson to not be angry and leave that be
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1253
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Posted - 2014.03.13 04:57:00 -
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Should CCP have released these suits and weapons a while ago? Of course, these were things that were promised at Fanfest last year.
We still dont know if there wont be a possible weapons respec in the future when all of the racials for heavies and such get released. Its a complete balancing act of when to do it and how much to do it. The CPM has no real power over CCP other than being advocates for the playerbase. It will always be CCP's decision in the end whether to take that advice or not.
One thing that I can push for players who are comfortable in at least one proto suit and weapon of choice is to decide whether you want to stockpile SP or not for future releases. We have known for a while now that new suits and weapons would be coming out and would probably be before Fanfest. I know many people (including myself) that began to save their SP in case we didnt get a full or even a partial respec.
At least with this partial respec and the event that is coming up, players will have a good pool of SP to put into their suits of choice and possibly a new weapon or two. We get SP events pretty regularly so it might not be that bad of a grind after all.
I do agree that this is not an ideal situation and CCP has some blame but I dont know if the CPM could do much more. We will never know due to the NDA.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
1063
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Posted - 2014.03.13 09:22:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it.
This
Also not evidence but might give a clue as to how close a run thing the fight for a Respec was.
https://twitter.com/ironwolfsaber/status/443884672917860352
Not that I think you'll chose to believe him. I do.
Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot
CEO of DUST University
CPM1 candidate
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The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion League of Infamy
1045
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Posted - 2014.03.13 09:23:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:If you have issues with who is currently representing you then I expect that you would be quite involved with the current CPM1 elections coming up. This is your chance to decide who is going to be the voice of the players.
Its now on you to decide if you are going to work towards bettering this game or be happy just complaining about it. This
This too.
Once you go Black, you just never go back!
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