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Scheherazade VII 314	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:33:00 - [1] - Quote We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 713	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:36:00 - [2] - Quote Everyone is just going to tell you to run cheaper fits to make ISK in. I mean why would would you skill into something you never get to use because you always have to run the cheapest fit possible to make ISK. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Scheherazade VII 314	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:38:00 - [3] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Everyone is just going to tell you to run cheaper fits to make ISK in. I mean why would would you skill into something you never get to use because you always have to run the cheapest fit possible to make ISK. The thing is if I make a cheaper fit I'll die more and I'll still lose the same amount of ISK!
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 394	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:39:00 - [4] - Quote Logis are hella profitable. More slots than assaults and CPU/PG for proto mods and a gun. who runs equipment on logis? LOL
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1833	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:39:00 - [5] - Quote Funny since payouts are mostly determined by WP and Logis usually get the most, which means that others get less ISK. Die less next time or use cheaper suits? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 545	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:41:00 - [6] - Quote aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7268	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:44:00 - [7] - Quote Try asking the null-sec dwellers why they bring a multi-billion ISK ship into the battlefield not expecting much in the way of ISK gains. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Scheherazade VII 314	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:46:00 - [8] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Funny since payouts are mostly determined by WP and Logis usually get the most, which means that others get less ISK. Die less next time or use cheaper suits? die less? when the heavy on the other team is destroying us getting 46 kills? use cheaper fits? what so I should have 50% less health and die more and lose the same amount of ISK? No. killing gets you more ISK.
Scheherazade VII 314	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:48:00 - [9] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? You're seriously missing the point. The point isn't that I lost ISK. It's that being a logi (i.e supporting your team) is not profitable and therefore pointless. There is no incentive to support your team, just stack health modules right? That's not the game I want to play and I'm sure that's not the game which CCP intend to make. Roles are in the game for a reason, equipment is in the game for a reason.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7268	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:49:00 - [10] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Funny since payouts are mostly determined by WP and Logis usually get the most, which means that others get less ISK. Die less next time or use cheaper suits? die less? when the heavy on the other team is destroying us getting 46 kills? use cheaper fits? what so I should have 50% less health and die more and lose the same amount of ISK? No. killing gets you more ISK. NO. Just die less. Repair behind cover, stand behind friendly heavies as cover, keep an eye out on your TACNET, etc. I have seen a lot of logis utilizing cover in many ways to mitigate their losses. But what do I know? I'm just a scout. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

Billi Gene 503	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:50:00 - [11] - Quote might help/might not: healing nanohives, you still get the rep WP, without having to drop your gun. Drop a normal nanohive on top of it to soak up newbs trying to resupply from the healing nanohive. If you are wearing a yellow suit, you are a target, if you are repping someone you are the primary target. The upside of this is that you can now also stand on your nanohive if you are using your rep tool.... lastly..... do make a cheap logi fit for matches you want to logi in but not worry about isk... be it a standard logi suit with standard or militia equips, or a scout/light suit or medium/assault suit with a rep tool or w/e.... making a 'fun'suit is also important, pulling hair out over other people stupidity... or your own... can quickly be alleviated by jumping into a suit designed around a fun playstyle. because: people are running cheap militia and standard fits more nowadays... SP in upgrades and weaponry makes lower tier gear more effective as much as it makes higher tier more effective, it costs less and more importantly... as you are finding out... it denies isk to the other team. Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1833	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:50:00 - [12] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: die less? when the heavy on the other team is destroying us getting 46 kills? use cheaper fits? what so I should have 50% less health and die more and lose the same amount of ISK? No. killing gets you more ISK. So you're complaining about being on a bad team then? There's a solution to that you know. A good Logi is one that supports his team while not dying much, but everyone is of course losing ISK if they're on the losing team as that's what you're supposed to. Or do you think that everyone should always be making ISK, both the winning and losing team? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 714	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:52:00 - [13] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Everyone is just going to tell you to run cheaper fits to make ISK in. I mean why would would you skill into something you never get to use because you always have to run the cheapest fit possible to make ISK. The thing is if I make a cheaper fit I'll die more and I'll still lose the same amount of ISK! I know, my average logi fit runs around 50K ISK. At best I can expect to break even. My cheap suit is 14K and isn't nearly as durable. My proto can run up to 250+K If I wanted to, but I never wear it anyway. The past week I've thrown together a 15K scout suit that has been a lot of fun and turned a good profit. Figured if I am going to be super squishy anyway might as well shotgun someone in the face. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
ads alt 126	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:53:00 - [14] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Funny since payouts are mostly determined by WP and Logis usually get the most, which means that others get less ISK. Die less next time or use cheaper suits? Thats kinda hard when you cant shoot and your not meant to kill...I sacrifice my life for teamates.... 1.8 will release...
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1833	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:54:00 - [15] - Quote ads alt wrote: Thats kinda hard when you cant shoot and your not meant to kill...I sacrifice my life for teamates.... You're doing it wrong if you as the Logi is sacrificing your lifie. Your team should be protecting you. If it can't then of course you lose ISK. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 278	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:55:00 - [16] - Quote I wish I could make 300K a game. A logi makes much more ISK than everyone else, it's no different for you than it is for all other infantry. I can rack up 2-3M in kills, but still make <250K because some bluedot logi threw down a bunch of deathtrap uplinks and nanohives to farm the newberries for WP. EDIT: Bendtner92 wrote: ads alt wrote: Thats kinda hard when you cant shoot and your not meant to kill...I sacrifice my life for teamates.... You're doing it wrong if you as the Logi is sacrificing your lifie. Your team should be protecting you. If it can't then of course you lose ISK. This too, a dead logi is a useless logi. They should be sacrificing themselves to protect you, you're the one that might be able to get them back up. If they aren't protecting you, then they might as well die.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 545	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:57:00 - [17] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? You're seriously missing the point. The point isn't that I lost ISK. It's that being a logi (i.e supporting your team) is not profitable and therefore pointless. There is no incentive to support your team, just stack health modules right? That's not the game I want to play and I'm sure that's not the game which CCP intend to make. Roles are in the game for a reason, equipment is in the game for a reason. hey just reminding you there other things that give no income whatsoever and its been like that for a long time "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 440	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:07:00 - [18] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? You're lucky. There are forge guns and large rail turrets that can 1 shot my dropship. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2865	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:07:00 - [19] - Quote BPO Logi suit says otherwise Intelligence is OP
Scheneighnay McBob Hammerhead i Eagle Thrust 4239	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:08:00 - [20] - Quote The main problem I see with logis is that WPs don't really increase with tiers. Standard logis are jut as efficient at getting WP (if not more) as proto logis. I am your scan error.

Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1520	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:14:00 - [21] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The main problem I see with logis is that WPs don't really increase with tiers. Standard logis are jut as efficient at getting WP (if not more) as proto logis. Hardly. 1-3 uplinks VS 6+, faster rep tool, and triage nanohives, all provide plenty of WP gain over a newbie logi running standard equipment. OP: I have no problem making a profit logi-ing, though I don't use a rep tool because it's boring. Try running around in 50k scout suits earning barely 200k a match, then come back. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1945	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:15:00 - [22] - Quote I made a couple of million today running my logi chick. suits cost me 40k,lost an everage of 3 per match, made an average of 350k per match I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
abarkrishna WarRavens 340	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:19:00 - [23] - Quote I run proto logi and profit 3/5 games. It's all about your teammates helping you. My guys run needles and save me tons of suits just like I save their asses time and time again. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2247	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:11:00 - [24] - Quote I make a small profit using just ADV suits, a bit more sprinkling in BPOs. There's a reason you will never see me in a proto suit. No surprise here, this is the (actually not) hidden cost of being a logi that the whiners forget when they QQ about the WP we earn. BTW, we all know the economy, such as it is, is broken, but two things were never intended to be profitable: - losing - running proto 24/7 "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7245	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:16:00 - [25] - Quote Did you seriously lose 10 suits and then complained that you aren't profitable? A good Logi actually makes the most profit, because he gets the most WP. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2992	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:19:00 - [26] - Quote You need to learn how to retreat. Advance in the opposite direction. Dying 10 times is your fault, not the logistics dropsuit's fault. H M G
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1281	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:21:00 - [27] - Quote QQ. Cry me a river and I'll build you a boat to get across it. Stop losing clones. No matter what class you are, you'll go into the negative if you're running high-cost fittings and losing. No one wants to hear you ***** about how you put your "life" on the line, ironically as a clone mercenary, when we're all working hard on the battlefield. Meh. Yes, stop dying is the answer. Could you argue against it? Logistics gain the most ISK out of a match and the smart ones do it with minimal cost. Maybe change your fits from offensive based to defensive based? You have the slots for it. High regen with durable defenses. Little fire power but you're supposed to be support, not offense. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 164	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:23:00 - [28] - Quote I logi, and I can't control the flow of the game, but if I tank a few fits and start to lose money...I just slow down. Especially if jumping in front of the truck isn't saving that puppy, why jump? Look for profitable ways to help out without getting shot up. Run some uplink flanking suits, some scans, stay out of the most pit, at best drop a few triage hives in the thick areas and have your mates fall back for reps. I almost always make isk as a logi, it's my most profitable class besides scout. I use it to fund my tanks and heavy lol. Oh and I don't have proto logistics, just proto equipment.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 787	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:24:00 - [29] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: ads alt wrote: Thats kinda hard when you cant shoot and your not meant to kill...I sacrifice my life for teamates.... You're doing it wrong if you as the Logi is sacrificing your lifie. Your team should be protecting you. If it can't then of course you lose ISK. This. Logis are extremely expensive merely for the fact that they have so many slots. Start thinking about yourself a bit, you're there to support your team not throw yourself info fire. If a heavy your healing runs into a grinder, bail. Teach them to avoid situations like that. Also make sure a member of your squad besides you runs an injector...even better if you can get another to run a rep tool or rep hives.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 164	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:27:00 - [30] - Quote Also, I almost always have an allotek hive as one of my slots for self reps/ammo, I'm quick to fall back and rep myself no matter who gets the shaft. In the words of a wise man.... "come with me if you want to live"

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1539	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:28:00 - [31] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Everyone is just going to tell you to run cheaper fits to make ISK in. I mean why would would you skill into something you never get to use because you always have to run the cheapest fit possible to make ISK. The thing is if I make a cheaper fit I'll die more and I'll still lose the same amount of ISK! Run advanced. Nothing proto. I usually break even and if I don't, I lose around 50-100k so it's not that much. Just use plenty of spawns, resupply and Triage/Guardian points. Ditch the needle and scanner.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 180	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:35:00 - [32] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: I made a couple of million today running my logi chick. suits cost me 40k,lost an everage of 3 per match, made an average of 350k per match Sorry to be completely off topic but I just sat here for way too long trying to figure out where I had heard Buttscratch's sig. Mr.Bungle...******* Mr.Bungle. +1 to you sir, for you enjoy the finer things in life. and to be on topic. A logi should make way more money..because paying back all the College Foundation of New Eden student loans on a medical degree is outrageous. Space doctors get paid crap and it's not right. We can pickle that.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4938	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:49:00 - [33] - Quote I don't know about everyone else but if I run anything other than basic I'm prepared to lose cash..... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 468	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:51:00 - [34] - Quote OP no one cares about us logis. To them we're like bathroom tissue, they like to use us and throw us out...but god forbid you aren't there. These people don't care that we leave ourselves 100% defenseless while using a rep tool. They don't care that we become the only target while our rep tool is in action. They tell you to "stack this" or "stack that" essentially telling you to have gear just like a slayer would. OP you will receive 0 sympathy from those suit layout jealous assaults,who want this game to be a knock off of COD. I know your pain OP,i truely do,but everyone who says "yur team shud defeend you" are morons. These people are fools who would sell their eternal souls for 15 minutes of fame. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4521	Posted - 2014.03.09 06:05:00 - [35] - Quote I run a Stadard Caldari LogI with.only standard equipment and I average high returns from games. Just run a cheaper fit and remember that sometimes your gun is a better choice than your rep tool. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 554	Posted - 2014.03.09 06:06:00 - [36] - Quote medomai grey wrote: darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? You're lucky. There are forge guns and large rail turrets that can 1 shot my dropship. yer, a doble moded proto rail or a fully skilled breach FG can 1 hit me "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Kira Takizawa WARNING LABEL Inc. 168	Posted - 2014.03.09 08:58:00 - [37] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? xD Either learn to dodge or stop flying cause if you get shot down by a noob that makes you a noob right?
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 665	Posted - 2014.03.09 09:13:00 - [38] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Everyone is just going to tell you to run cheaper fits to make ISK in. I mean why would would you skill into something you never get to use because you always have to run the cheapest fit possible to make ISK. The thing is if I make a cheaper fit I'll die more and I'll still lose the same amount of ISK! No... no you won't. It doesn't work that way. Proto gear is disproportionally more expensive than any other kind of equipment. You are supposed to be using STD or ADV gear to earn money. Example... if I earn 150,000 isk in a battle... I died 10 times, that cost me 40,000 isk. Profit 110,000 isk. If I had been using a Proto suit, I would have died possibly 4 times or less which is around 60K a suit.. 240,000 isk so a loss of 90,000 isk etc. I don't actually know proto prices cause I don't use Proto gear. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Kitt 514 True North. 140	Posted - 2014.03.09 09:35:00 - [39] - Quote My cheap logi suit is ~2500 isk. Assuming an average 200k payout, thats 80 deaths. How are you dying more than 80 times in a match?
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 210	Posted - 2014.03.09 09:42:00 - [40] - Quote It's kind of funny now that I think about it, Logies are getting a huge nerf with equipment and everything else being nerfed. Yet everything cost the same. One of the reasons I'm ending my Logisitics Career in 1.8 (Until it's feasible again) PvE 2014

DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 351	Posted - 2014.03.09 09:57:00 - [41] - Quote Make 3 uplink suits with biotic mods 3 hive suits with biotic mods All on adv with proto gear Make lv 1 scout with links that's fast Make your fighting fit Run in scout get the depot run around as far as you can safely and spam and repeat, lastly get fight suit and regroup with sqd, little risk, the equip works for you by being stationary and your fight fit should have only personal gear plus your rep tool. Use ur scanner, allotek hives, needle/r9 link rep tool, use a shyt needle an your tool or hives, you should barely die if your smart an leave 1 link at new location so your never without backup Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 558	Posted - 2014.03.09 11:27:00 - [42] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? xD Either learn to dodge or stop flying cause if you get shot down by a noob that makes you a noob right? Heres one, Heres one who thinks Flying a ADS is easy Get him Boys! "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 112	Posted - 2014.03.09 11:32:00 - [43] - Quote Logi not profitable... I made a fit just for the fun of it, mines 26k each and I sure as hell don't die that much, but yet come away with a **** ton of money every time I do it... It's literally the easiest way to get money... All I can say is, play better?
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 173	Posted - 2014.03.09 11:44:00 - [44] - Quote -1 If your Logi isn't profiting on ISK, either you suck or your blueberries suck. Pull out a BPO or Militia suit and get over yourself. Scouts are the only suit that are guaranteed to make a profit, and even then at proto level I doubt it. Sign my petition for mortal tanks
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 197	Posted - 2014.03.09 11:45:00 - [45] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, you do relize that this is the standard non-slayer logi type of wp gain right? i eman. your compaling your not makeing a profit when you made your own OB> not many people do that. obvisly your a good logi. but your complaing your not makeing a profit. thats mainly becuase your a logi and people wnat to kill you and your risk got you a whole fck ton of wp. so stop QQing and get back logi'ing'
Marc Rime 306	Posted - 2014.03.09 11:56:00 - [46] - Quote Nothing is profitable if you lose that much ISK in one game. Change your priorities - survival comes first, or make sure someone else is carrying a needle. Also, switch to a BPO/stater/militia fit after you lose 5-6 (or whatever) of the suits you were using. ...or do what CCP wants us to do - buy lots and lots of AUR and spend it on suits etc.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1225	Posted - 2014.03.09 12:27:00 - [47] - Quote I'll just leave this here 41-7 in a pub skirmish with 3100WP I would have profited had the other team not decided to drop 3 strikes on just me I ran proto callogi with duvolle quantum scanner, Ishukone gauged hive, and wiyrokomi nanite injector and a boundless CR 194K suit. Its far better to be both to and logi then to just pigeon hole yourself into one role. That match was so ISK heavy because the other team had 4 full proto gal logis who got to taste what my boundless CR did to armor and they had 2-3 guys spamming tanks that got wrecked by my two squad mates with proto breach FGs. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
SteelheadPep SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 63	Posted - 2014.03.09 13:08:00 - [48] - Quote Such is the life of a support logi, there is a lot of good advise in this post that you can try.You have to think about your play style and adjust accordingly. I like to be on the front line and support my team in the thick of it, this gets me killed a lot but I am were I am most needed. Run cheap logis in ambush to help make ISK. Pick out the gems in this post and experiment.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 385	Posted - 2014.03.09 13:08:00 - [49] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? Sick and tyerd of ADS pilots conplaning, you are the tankers of 1,7 in the same way that tankers war bitching in 1,6 My logi suit cost 267 000 isk... Bring that out to a heavy frontline fight and I gatantie that I die at least 2 times on every death of a decent pilot. War never changes
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 561	Posted - 2014.03.09 13:34:00 - [50] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? Sick and tyerd of ADS pilots conplaning, you are the tankers of 1,7 in the same way that tankers war bitching in 1,6 My logi suit cost 267 000 isk... Bring that out to a heavy frontline fight and I gatantie that I die at least 2 times on every death of a decent pilot. what we never complain we just remind anyone else ho is that they have it better then us "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 719	Posted - 2014.03.09 14:27:00 - [51] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Make 3 uplink suits with biotic mods 3 hive suits with biotic mods All on adv with proto gear Make lv 1 scout with links that's fast Make your fighting fit Run in scout get the depot run around as far as you can safely and spam and repeat, lastly get fight suit and regroup with sqd, little risk, the equip works for you by being stationary and your fight fit should have only personal gear plus your rep tool. Use ur scanner, allotek hives, needle/r9 link rep tool, use a shyt needle an your tool or hives, you should barely die if your smart an leave 1 link at new location so your never without backup Thanks for getting equipment nerfed for the rest of us. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Sum1ne Else WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 962	Posted - 2014.03.09 14:37:00 - [52] - Quote I have been saying this since around May 2013.. I totally agree with the OP and is why I rarely run logi anymore and so do many others. These guys on the forum replying do not understand a true logi and how they can make money. If you dont do PC or are not apart of the PC money glitch corps and just play pubs you will find that most games you go negative in isk. I have already posted this and you just get bunch of KDR trolls replying.. but what they dont realise is when they need a hive, uplink, rep, needle, whatever they moan and then end up loosing the game anyways. I have just run games with completely free gear and when you usually are a key role in your corp/team they all realise. I have tried many different combinations using as many BPOs as possible but with the current way the game is-ie. TTK being low, proto pub stompers etc its just pointless. If I was you, I would just use FOTM, or buy a militia tank, snipe even, but then the game just is boring and you end up quitting. I am at 30m and fluctuate between 30m and 60m for 12 months- and with 31m SP its hard not to run ADV gear- I never run proto and do 2 or 3 PCs per month. Public Relations WJR Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 809	Posted - 2014.03.09 15:01:00 - [53] - Quote Logis need to slay less and support more, IE dont be at the head of the pack and use better cover , running out in the open to pick up a snipe victim only to feed the sniper more wp etc Nemo me impune lacessit
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3007	Posted - 2014.03.09 15:26:00 - [54] - Quote You have to run smart to make money. Never carry expensive equipment into a firefight, and don't go into firefights. That means no uplinks or proto hives as you follow a squad around with a rep tool. It makes dying very expensive. All deployable equipment goes on seprate suits that avoid combat. You will be shot at, but you won't be rushing into danger with your expensive gear. Lay all that out untethered to a fatty who wants to waddle into a nest of red. Once that is done you can spawn a cheap suit for repping if you want to. The best is a BPO SEVER suit with BPO rep tool, hives, and needle, shield extenders, etc. Entirely BPO. The MLT rep tool and needle will earn more points than te ADV and far more than PRO. Your squad mates can pay for the good stuff if they want it, otherwise they get MLT. The key is only extremely cheap suits carry rep tools because they will die frequently.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 699	Posted - 2014.03.09 16:22:00 - [55] - Quote Being an effective logibro does require some investment ISK-wise. Just the nature of the beast.
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 314	Posted - 2014.03.09 16:41:00 - [56] - Quote Feh ...try being an AV trooper for awhile then come complain about logi being hard to make a profit . No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1801	Posted - 2014.03.09 17:13:00 - [57] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Try asking the null-sec dwellers why they bring a multi-billion ISK ship into the battlefield not expecting much in the way of ISK gains. Not sure if this has been responded to yet. Sometimes you find players who are so wealthy that they don't think twice about risking a multi billion isk ship for no possible gain if they'll have fun getting blown up. Usually wormwhole dwellers, who rake in giant piles of extremely valuable salvage from sleeper npcs. Most of the time though there's an alliance reimbursement plan to take the sting out of any losses, because the reason you're there is to secure a source of income for your corp / alliance. This does seem to present a bit of an interesting problem for Dust, because in Eve the way these bigger more powerful ships are balanced is that they have an easy time hitting ships that are a class below them. Against anything smaller than that they need smaller ships there to protect them. That doesn't work with infantry suits. CCP doesn't really like to balanced purely on cost because players will grind their faces off doing the most boring things imaginable if they can get an advantage. To the OP, I run logi all the time and I make quite a lot of isk at it. You make just as much with lower tier gear as with proto. There's no need to run a core focused rep tool if you're not running with an organized squad who has another logi who can pick you up if you fall. Unless you have more isk than sense that's the only time you should be running proto at all, if you've got people around who can save your ass.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2253	Posted - 2014.03.09 17:18:00 - [58] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: I have been saying this since around May 2013.. I totally agree with the OP and is why I rarely run logi anymore and so do many others. These guys on the forum replying do not understand a true logi and how they can make money. If you dont do PC or are not apart of the PC money glitch corps and just play pubs you will find that most games you go negative in isk. I have already posted this and you just get bunch of KDR trolls replying.. but what they dont realise is when they need a hive, uplink, rep, needle, whatever they moan and then end up loosing the game anyways. I have just run games with completely free gear and when you usually are a key role in your corp/team they all realise. I have tried many different combinations using as many BPOs as possible but with the current way the game is-ie. TTK being low, proto pub stompers etc its just pointless. If I was you, I would just use FOTM, or buy a militia tank, snipe even, but then the game just is boring and you end up quitting. I am at 30m and fluctuate between 30m and 60m for 12 months- and with 31m SP its hard not to run ADV gear- I never run proto in pubs and do 2 or 3 PCs per month. EDIT: I have all this gear, yet I cannot use it all the time, I would really like 3 different modes of AMB/DOM/Skirm where meta level is introduced..I really do not think these proto pub stompers would stand a chance with their crutches against most corps that only run STD/ADV gear. Other than that double isk for winning. Something needs to be introduced with regards to isk. I'm not usually in the HTFU scrub crowd but that's just not true. On the contrary, it's those who want to use proto all the time who care about KDR if you ask me. If you really care about ISK and not KDR, like me, you would never use proto in pubs (again, like me.) John Demonsbane lifetime stats (more or less, don't check it religiously) KDR 0.9 Kills 6000 WP 1 mil Number of proto suits used: 1(just to try it out) Profit from PC: 0 ISK Current wallet: 60 mil ISK (with 100s of fully stocked proto and ADV suits bought) I run an overall profit in pubs running BPOs and ADV suits. Equipment is always higher tier than my weapon and I never have any empty equip slots. When I'm drunk or solo on a bad team or in Amarr FW I lose ISK but make it up other times. If you're on a crap team use BPOs and just deal with dying more easily. Tl;dr I meet nobody's definition of l33t but running a profit as a logi is very doable without any exploits. Also: Meh... #1.8fakelogiexodus (I need to Gäó that.) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 403	Posted - 2014.03.09 18:27:00 - [59] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Logis are hella profitable. More slots than assaults and CPU/PG for proto mods and a gun. who runs equipment on logis? LOL Point made, I ran health and damage modules the next game and made ISK. But then what is the assault suit for? This game is borked. thats a good question, theres quite a few threads asking the same thing. what are assault suits for? theyre outclassed by logis in every way that matters
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 289	Posted - 2014.03.09 19:37:00 - [60] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. This is exactly what the ISK system is for, you have to make decisions about what you run, you can't just run your proto and do whatever you like. I play logi and I make a profit almost every game, and there are plenty of slayers who don't make profits. There is nothing special about the logi that makes it unprofitable, but it comes down to budgeting, don't play what you can't afford. Because, that's why.

Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 289	Posted - 2014.03.09 19:40:00 - [61] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The main problem I see with logis is that WPs don't really increase with tiers. Standard logis are jut as efficient at getting WP (if not more) as proto logis. I don't think so. I played with a really good logi the other night, when they switched to a standard suit the made about half of what they were making in their proto suit. The ISK may have CW out better though. Because, that's why.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 526	Posted - 2014.03.09 19:47:00 - [62] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. You're Bad, i can't tell you something else. You're a logi , no matter how much people you kill. But dying 10 time is WAY too much for a single game, no matter your suit or Tier. 332.000 ISK is a huge payout. You're NOT supposed to won ISK if you died TEN times. I mean WHAT THE HELL ???? Ten time is way too much. BUT on the other hand i approve that ISK maded on WP should be increased. A.F.K a game (or making 100WP) acutally give almost the same payout than a 2000WP game......
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1912	Posted - 2014.03.09 19:55:00 - [63] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. Were you in a squad? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Warbot Titan X lNSURGENCY 1	Posted - 2014.03.09 19:55:00 - [64] - Quote I might not be a true logibro, but instead I base myself much more important to stay alive. I pull out my weapon when I believe I'm at risk dying which is initially the first thing I do. I make just about 2-3000+ wp while maintaining a nice kd at the same time. But then again, I shoot first, then logi. I have no problem with what I make but I do understand where your coming from because I was like you. I just got sick and tired of it. I started to focus on keeping myself alive first. Not the right way of course. But it works for me. Closed Beta Veteran - lNSURGENCY
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 475	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:00:00 - [65] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: thats a good question, theres quite a few threads asking the same thing. what are assault suits for? theyre outclassed by logis in every way that matters Dropping in a logi thread to QQ about assaults? Meee One wrote: OP you will receive 0 sympathy from those suit layout jealous assaults,who want this game to be a knock off of COD. Mordecai Sanguine wrote: You're Bad, i can't tell you something else. You're a logi , no matter how much people you kill. But dying 10 time is WAY too much for a single game, no matter your suit or Tier. 332.000 ISK is a huge payout. You're NOT supposed to won ISK if you died TEN times. I mean WHAT THE HELL ???? Ten time is way too much. BUT on the other hand i approve that ISK maded on WP should be increased. A.F.K a game (or making 100WP) acutally give almost the same payout than a 2000WP game...... But don't expect to be rewarded if you die 10 time.... My response: Meee One wrote: These people don't care that we leave ourselves 100% defenseless while using a rep tool. They don't care that we become the only target while our rep tool is in action. Proof positive of what i've said in this very thread. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 404	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:15:00 - [66] - Quote Meee One wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: thats a good question, theres quite a few threads asking the same thing. what are assault suits for? theyre outclassed by logis in every way that matters Dropping in a logi thread to QQ about assaults? Dat reading Such comprehension Wow He asked a question, that I answered.
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 181	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:31:00 - [67] - Quote Switch suits... drop rephives+nanohives switch back to eHP tank logi suit with scanner + proto repper. 1000hp keeps you alive. Run behind fatties and watch your minimap = profit. I use only my 170-200k ISK fits (tanked) or MLT lightframe(+RE or uplinks) = profit Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 715	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:44:00 - [68] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Try asking the null-sec dwellers why they bring a multi-billion ISK ship into the battlefield not expecting much in the way of ISK gains. Alliance reimbursement, 25 Million 0.0 bounty per payout, PI., Industry, insurance, Mining alts, scam, marked pvp. Are you even playing eve bro? That's the big difference. In eve you HAVE multiply ways getting money, in Dust not. That's one reason why FW sucks right now. My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1911	Posted - 2014.03.10 10:35:00 - [69] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I know this may sound crazy. Run starter fits for a few days and carry they one piece of equipment you want to get better at, it will improve your game and let you focus on the thing you want to do better and allow you to make ISK. I use a advanced everything except equipment and bpo weapons, I turn a profit. I stopped using proto mods because most times the prototype aren't worth the ISK, especially if they are defensive mods. Find a squad you like and and roll with them, use coms. Although the Core Flux seems like a great tool, because it is, I find the range too short and I would much rather carry a dual beam tool with more range. The Lia Dia only does like 75 HP/s but can rep at like 30+ meters, it saves a lot of time out of cover but still allows you to give out decent reps. Have different suits that cost different amounts. Use cheaper fits and if the match progresses in a way in which you are making ISK then use a better suit or a suit that is better equipped. Label your suits with the cost so it is easier to keep up with how much you spend and before you go negative run a modified starter to help stay in black ink. More than anything else, find what you like or are best at -one thing- and specialize in that one thing. I like reps and tools are about the only thing I carry proto and all my rep builds are focused around my repper. You should have one focus per suit and the suit should be fitted around that focus. Find a friend with a needle. A good tandem pair of logi can do way more than a solo can. With a pair you can have the dual beam locked on him while he needles someone and as soon as they get up you are repping them. It takes a lot of little things to be profitable and sometimes you will not be profitable. If you are focused on profit your loging will suffer some and if you focus on logi stuff then your wallet will suffer. I have days where I want to make ISK just to see the number get bigger, nothing more and I use starter fits or really inexpensive fits. My profit days are some of the most fun I have because my suits cost nothing at all and I actually do better because I am relaxed. A starter fit with one good piece of equipment on it can be very fun and very profitable. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 227	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:07:00 - [70] - Quote ohh getting top 3 all the time isnt profitable sorry you are a scrub Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 678	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:17:00 - [71] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Scheherazade VII wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Funny since payouts are mostly determined by WP and Logis usually get the most, which means that others get less ISK. Die less next time or use cheaper suits? die less? when the heavy on the other team is destroying us getting 46 kills? use cheaper fits? what so I should have 50% less health and die more and lose the same amount of ISK? No. killing gets you more ISK. NO. Just die less. Repair behind cover, stand behind friendly heavies as cover, keep an eye out on your TACNET, etc. I have seen a lot of logis utilizing cover in many ways to mitigate their losses. But what do I know? I'm just a scout. This sounds all good but logis are dawn slow and with the feature of beeing slowed down while you get shot its really hard to get into cover. And really how fun is a game where you have to sit 90% like a sitting duck behind cover? Most other roles can rely on cheaper stuff as this gets improved through skills, you gain more HP through skills aon shield & armor modules, your weapon gets consoderably better through skill progression etc. and now look at logi equipment. All you get for all your SP is access to better gear no bonus at all just better gear at a higher SP count than for weapons. On top of that the difference between a std weapon and its proto counterpart is not very big but the difference betwenn a std equipment and its proto counterpart is huge... This has to change equipment skill should buff equipment's efficiency and the difference between std and proto gear should be smaller...
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1573	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:08:00 - [72] - Quote don't die ten time a match and you wont have this problem. NO suit worth running can be lost ten times a match and turn a profit logi's aren't special in that respect. running down my load out list ADV scout 31,000 isk x 10 = 310,000 aka twice my average payout ADV assault 50,000 isk x 10 = 500,000 4-5 matches pay pro scout 127,000 isk x 10 = 1,270,000 isk what makes logis so special that they deserve to be able to die 10 times a match running a good suit and turn a profit? the problem isn't the suit, it's you. Dust isn't like other games having a high death count is unacceptable here. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
noob cavman The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 758	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:48:00 - [73] - Quote Logi m1 sever suit. basic rail. std, stable, r9 uplinks 2 basic armour plates. whatever you want in highs. load up dom match and get a thousand war points from up links. die and swap to a m1 with a rep tool, needle, hives. Basic work well. suits cost less than 10k so happily die to your hearts content. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 653	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:50:00 - [74] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. A big part of the logi costs are due to the sheer number of slots available to them. At standard level, they have the most at 9 slots (minus one for ammar). More gear = mo money to drop. Then 10 at ADV and like 14 at proto. Compare this to the assault, 8, 9, 11(something like that) Logis are the most expensive suit you can run! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 169	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:53:00 - [75] - Quote What fun is there in a game where you're dying your arse off trying to save people? There's a fine line between fun and micromanagement. Manage your fits, vary your fits, alter your playstyle to suit the situation. I have fast(for a logi) fits, and hp heavy fits. I have dmg fits etc. Need to heal? Heal. Need to kill? Kill. Need to resupply? Blow up(help) vehicles? Provide spawns? Doooo Eeeeeet! Logistic suits honestly provide the most variety over time gameplay. All you have to do is be patient, focus on one goal at a time, and learn to properly assess the situation. True some matches don't let you play how you want but that's the case for everyone(save for railgun tanks). You don't need the best gear, just lots of different gear...
Marc Rime 306	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:12:00 - [76] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: A big part of the logi costs are due to the sheer number of slots available to them. At standard level, they have the most at 9 slots (minus one for ammar). More gear = mo money to drop. Then 10 at ADV and like 14 at proto. Compare this to the assault, 8, 9, 11(something like that) Logis are the most expensive suit you can run! Yeah. The solution is, ofc, obvious. They should remove a few module slots and boost the base stats to compensate for the removal.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1149	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:37:00 - [77] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: A big part of the logi costs are due to the sheer number of slots available to them. At standard level, they have the most at 9 slots (minus one for ammar). More gear = mo money to drop. Then 10 at ADV and like 14 at proto. Compare this to the assault, 8, 9, 11(something like that) Logis are the most expensive suit you can run! Yeah. The solution is, ofc, obvious. They should remove a few module slots and boost the base stats to compensate for the removal. I would instead just lower the suit cost.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 169	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:41:00 - [78] - Quote If you want to be a PC viable logi, you need a KD of at least 1.5! The elite corps will expect you to have a KDR of 2.0!!! It doesn't matter if you are a good logi, since PC (the endgame) is all about clone loss! The financial situation in elite PC is irrelevant, your death number is not! So basically you can be compensated for loss of suits, but not for loss of clones, since if you loose too many clones the district will go to the oponent. Injectors (to some extent) and repguns are not a viable assets in PC! Your gun however is. That means, if you can't kill substantially more enemys then you get killed, you are a liability in PC. Pub games need to reflect that, or the logi role needs to be more powerful in keeping clones alive. Another idea would be a defensive bonus while using the rep tool / injector. This would help to keep logis alive without giving them an edge with their rifle... I basically have a hard time breaking even in an advanced suit (in pubs), but that's mainly because equipment is too expensive and I'm not a good slayer. It's way easier to break even in an assault or heavy suit.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 313	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:49:00 - [79] - Quote Sounds like you make more than I do on my scout. I get 300k games on occasion but generally i make around 248-290k isk a match for about 143k loss. Just set your fits up a little smarter and you have a hell of a profit margin there. Dont get me started on my vehicle character....******* 400k dropship down in two shots to a militia railgun...what fun @_@ Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 406	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:05:00 - [80] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Sounds like you make more than I do on my scout. I get 300k games on occasion but generally i make around 248-290k isk a match for about 143k loss. Just set your fits up a little smarter and you have a hell of a profit margin there. Dont get me started on my vehicle character....******* 400k dropship down in two shots to a militia railgun...what fun @_@ Drop ships are op. They deserve to cost that much.

I-Shayz-I I-----I 2478	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:35:00 - [81] - Quote Your point? What other suit can get 7k wp in a match?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9OUEQFfao0&feature=youtube_gdata_player Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:41:00 - [82] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Your point? What other suit can get 7k wp in a match?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9OUEQFfao0&feature=youtube_gdata_player Awesome lol. I enjoy running log its fun. Stuck on standard Cald Logi, kept forgetting to upgrade to advanced. I have finally sunk in all my SP into most Core dropsuit upgrades and hacking . My advise is to not play Ambush as a logi if thats what you played For Domination, go with a squad or swap a rep too for a rep/resup nanhovive Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Will Driver Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:52:00 - [83] - Quote Dying 10 times and losing 460k suggests a Logi build worth 46k a pop. That sounds like a reasonable Advanced-level Logi build to me. Getting 9 kills sounds pretty good for a Logi. However, I don't agree that the ISK payout is too low. My humble opinion is that you need to find a way to live within your means - in this case by limiting the loss of your suits. With a 300k ISK payout, you can afford to lose about 6.5 suits and breakeven. My suggestion, similar to others here, is to be a little less aggressive, use cover, run with a Medic, etc. to cut your deaths down. If this play style is not fun enough for you, then there's always assault and plenty of other choices. GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2085	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:58:00 - [84] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. I lose 220k per suit in my proto suit. you think you're the only one that can go negative?
HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 663	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:00:00 - [85] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. How the hell do you not get more isk than anyone? I went 22/4 1 game last night, got 256k isk and was 4TH ON MY TEAM!!!!!! I had like 1600 wp and he had 2500 with 7/6. You are doing it wrong. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Salty Sea Dog Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 35	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:07:00 - [86] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady goes very negative every game and accumulates isk at a phenomenal rate. Generally speaking it would be 1 kill 5 deaths per match. She manages to remain very cashflow positive. The difference is that she runs with clones that understand her value in the team and protecting her is their top priority. Sounds like your issue is more related to your squad than CCP. Good luck with it and stick at it. If you want some assistance jump in channel 'OA Merc' and some friendly Arcanian may be able to offer some advice.
Eberk Baldek Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 40	Posted - 2014.03.11 07:24:00 - [87] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. . . . I hear ya! But, CCP's apparently designed this game to kill you and kill you often, so that you'll have to go buy some AURUM to pay for those expensive proto suits.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 176	Posted - 2014.03.11 09:47:00 - [88] - Quote Strangely enough, I have never run an Aurum suit, or a proto logistics suit at all....
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 224	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:50:00 - [89] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. There is no way you should have died 10 times if you were with a group of heavies. It sounds like you need to work with your guys on how they act when a repper is on them. I know when I have a repper on me that my play style must support my logi to help us both out. Rushing through doorways becomes a big negative, it becomes even more important than normal to check all of your angles as you move up when you have a skinny suit latched on to you. When moving up from cover do not hug the wall of the corner you were just behind swing out wide allowing your logi to stay behind cover as long as possible while you survey the area. Never squat. I can not count how many times I have killed a logi cause their heavy squatted down to try to increase his range or whatever he thought he was doing. Just thought I would give a couple of talking points for you to yell at your heavies about since downtime is coming so it would be useless for me to login right now.
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 202	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:08:00 - [90] - Quote Boo hoo. If I lose one ADS to any of the dozen things that easily can kill an ADS I lose 400k+ Logis are almost always the top of the killboard, which means you make the most isk. Run cheap gear to make isk, run good gear to win. It's that simple. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.

Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 339	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:10:00 - [91] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Logis are hella profitable. More slots than assaults and CPU/PG for proto mods and a gun. who runs equipment on logis? LOL I running equipment on logi Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1613	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:17:00 - [92] - Quote Wat. OP is doing it wrong. Drop it like its hat.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 175	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:18:00 - [93] - Quote Um well most of my logis are just 40-25k and I dont die to much. Its not the pay out its your skill last sunday I was reping my corp member kibax only died a few times... I got 1 million isk (in total) that day go get cover or ask for help. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5000	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:20:00 - [94] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Sounds like you make more than I do on my scout. I get 300k games on occasion but generally i make around 248-290k isk a match for about 143k loss. Just set your fits up a little smarter and you have a hell of a profit margin there. Dont get me started on my vehicle character....******* 400k dropship down in two shots to a militia railgun...what fun @_@ Drop ships are op. They deserve to cost that much. They also seem to be T2 hulls. Edit: assault dropships not basic ones. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 103	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:48:00 - [95] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. last time i logi 4 vice galloza died 11 times got 10 kills got 3700wp and400 000isk the bdr is fine u just dont like being a logi Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
GTA V FTW 208	Posted - 2014.03.11 12:00:00 - [96] - Quote Easy fix really. Stop playing this LOL F2P Lobby Shooter. Pssst, guess what? This game will never be the game CCP promised us it would be, ever! This will always, and I mean always be a spam the FOTM LOL lobby shooter.
ALT'erd BEAST Defenders of the Helghast Dream Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 15	Posted - 2014.05.03 04:21:00 - [97] - Quote GTA V FTW wrote: Easy fix really. Stop playing this LOL F2P Lobby Shooter. Pssst, guess what? This game will never be the game CCP promised us it would be, ever! This will always, and I mean always be a spam the FOTM LOL lobby shooter. why so negative?


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