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Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 289	Posted - 2014.03.09 19:40:00 - [61] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The main problem I see with logis is that WPs don't really increase with tiers. Standard logis are jut as efficient at getting WP (if not more) as proto logis. I don't think so. I played with a really good logi the other night, when they switched to a standard suit the made about half of what they were making in their proto suit. The ISK may have CW out better though. Because, that's why.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 526	Posted - 2014.03.09 19:47:00 - [62] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. You're Bad, i can't tell you something else. You're a logi , no matter how much people you kill. But dying 10 time is WAY too much for a single game, no matter your suit or Tier. 332.000 ISK is a huge payout. You're NOT supposed to won ISK if you died TEN times. I mean WHAT THE HELL ???? Ten time is way too much. BUT on the other hand i approve that ISK maded on WP should be increased. A.F.K a game (or making 100WP) acutally give almost the same payout than a 2000WP game......
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1912	Posted - 2014.03.09 19:55:00 - [63] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. Were you in a squad? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Warbot Titan X lNSURGENCY 1	Posted - 2014.03.09 19:55:00 - [64] - Quote I might not be a true logibro, but instead I base myself much more important to stay alive. I pull out my weapon when I believe I'm at risk dying which is initially the first thing I do. I make just about 2-3000+ wp while maintaining a nice kd at the same time. But then again, I shoot first, then logi. I have no problem with what I make but I do understand where your coming from because I was like you. I just got sick and tired of it. I started to focus on keeping myself alive first. Not the right way of course. But it works for me. Closed Beta Veteran - lNSURGENCY
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 475	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:00:00 - [65] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: thats a good question, theres quite a few threads asking the same thing. what are assault suits for? theyre outclassed by logis in every way that matters Dropping in a logi thread to QQ about assaults? Meee One wrote: OP you will receive 0 sympathy from those suit layout jealous assaults,who want this game to be a knock off of COD. Mordecai Sanguine wrote: You're Bad, i can't tell you something else. You're a logi , no matter how much people you kill. But dying 10 time is WAY too much for a single game, no matter your suit or Tier. 332.000 ISK is a huge payout. You're NOT supposed to won ISK if you died TEN times. I mean WHAT THE HELL ???? Ten time is way too much. BUT on the other hand i approve that ISK maded on WP should be increased. A.F.K a game (or making 100WP) acutally give almost the same payout than a 2000WP game...... But don't expect to be rewarded if you die 10 time.... My response: Meee One wrote: These people don't care that we leave ourselves 100% defenseless while using a rep tool. They don't care that we become the only target while our rep tool is in action. Proof positive of what i've said in this very thread. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 404	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:15:00 - [66] - Quote Meee One wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: thats a good question, theres quite a few threads asking the same thing. what are assault suits for? theyre outclassed by logis in every way that matters Dropping in a logi thread to QQ about assaults? Dat reading Such comprehension Wow He asked a question, that I answered.
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 181	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:31:00 - [67] - Quote Switch suits... drop rephives+nanohives switch back to eHP tank logi suit with scanner + proto repper. 1000hp keeps you alive. Run behind fatties and watch your minimap = profit. I use only my 170-200k ISK fits (tanked) or MLT lightframe(+RE or uplinks) = profit Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 715	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:44:00 - [68] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Try asking the null-sec dwellers why they bring a multi-billion ISK ship into the battlefield not expecting much in the way of ISK gains. Alliance reimbursement, 25 Million 0.0 bounty per payout, PI., Industry, insurance, Mining alts, scam, marked pvp. Are you even playing eve bro? That's the big difference. In eve you HAVE multiply ways getting money, in Dust not. That's one reason why FW sucks right now. My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1911	Posted - 2014.03.10 10:35:00 - [69] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I know this may sound crazy. Run starter fits for a few days and carry they one piece of equipment you want to get better at, it will improve your game and let you focus on the thing you want to do better and allow you to make ISK. I use a advanced everything except equipment and bpo weapons, I turn a profit. I stopped using proto mods because most times the prototype aren't worth the ISK, especially if they are defensive mods. Find a squad you like and and roll with them, use coms. Although the Core Flux seems like a great tool, because it is, I find the range too short and I would much rather carry a dual beam tool with more range. The Lia Dia only does like 75 HP/s but can rep at like 30+ meters, it saves a lot of time out of cover but still allows you to give out decent reps. Have different suits that cost different amounts. Use cheaper fits and if the match progresses in a way in which you are making ISK then use a better suit or a suit that is better equipped. Label your suits with the cost so it is easier to keep up with how much you spend and before you go negative run a modified starter to help stay in black ink. More than anything else, find what you like or are best at -one thing- and specialize in that one thing. I like reps and tools are about the only thing I carry proto and all my rep builds are focused around my repper. You should have one focus per suit and the suit should be fitted around that focus. Find a friend with a needle. A good tandem pair of logi can do way more than a solo can. With a pair you can have the dual beam locked on him while he needles someone and as soon as they get up you are repping them. It takes a lot of little things to be profitable and sometimes you will not be profitable. If you are focused on profit your loging will suffer some and if you focus on logi stuff then your wallet will suffer. I have days where I want to make ISK just to see the number get bigger, nothing more and I use starter fits or really inexpensive fits. My profit days are some of the most fun I have because my suits cost nothing at all and I actually do better because I am relaxed. A starter fit with one good piece of equipment on it can be very fun and very profitable. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 227	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:07:00 - [70] - Quote ohh getting top 3 all the time isnt profitable sorry you are a scrub Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 678	Posted - 2014.03.10 11:17:00 - [71] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Scheherazade VII wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Funny since payouts are mostly determined by WP and Logis usually get the most, which means that others get less ISK. Die less next time or use cheaper suits? die less? when the heavy on the other team is destroying us getting 46 kills? use cheaper fits? what so I should have 50% less health and die more and lose the same amount of ISK? No. killing gets you more ISK. NO. Just die less. Repair behind cover, stand behind friendly heavies as cover, keep an eye out on your TACNET, etc. I have seen a lot of logis utilizing cover in many ways to mitigate their losses. But what do I know? I'm just a scout. This sounds all good but logis are dawn slow and with the feature of beeing slowed down while you get shot its really hard to get into cover. And really how fun is a game where you have to sit 90% like a sitting duck behind cover? Most other roles can rely on cheaper stuff as this gets improved through skills, you gain more HP through skills aon shield & armor modules, your weapon gets consoderably better through skill progression etc. and now look at logi equipment. All you get for all your SP is access to better gear no bonus at all just better gear at a higher SP count than for weapons. On top of that the difference between a std weapon and its proto counterpart is not very big but the difference betwenn a std equipment and its proto counterpart is huge... This has to change equipment skill should buff equipment's efficiency and the difference between std and proto gear should be smaller...
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1573	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:08:00 - [72] - Quote don't die ten time a match and you wont have this problem. NO suit worth running can be lost ten times a match and turn a profit logi's aren't special in that respect. running down my load out list ADV scout 31,000 isk x 10 = 310,000 aka twice my average payout ADV assault 50,000 isk x 10 = 500,000 4-5 matches pay pro scout 127,000 isk x 10 = 1,270,000 isk what makes logis so special that they deserve to be able to die 10 times a match running a good suit and turn a profit? the problem isn't the suit, it's you. Dust isn't like other games having a high death count is unacceptable here. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
noob cavman The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 758	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:48:00 - [73] - Quote Logi m1 sever suit. basic rail. std, stable, r9 uplinks 2 basic armour plates. whatever you want in highs. load up dom match and get a thousand war points from up links. die and swap to a m1 with a rep tool, needle, hives. Basic work well. suits cost less than 10k so happily die to your hearts content. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 653	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:50:00 - [74] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. A big part of the logi costs are due to the sheer number of slots available to them. At standard level, they have the most at 9 slots (minus one for ammar). More gear = mo money to drop. Then 10 at ADV and like 14 at proto. Compare this to the assault, 8, 9, 11(something like that) Logis are the most expensive suit you can run! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 169	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:53:00 - [75] - Quote What fun is there in a game where you're dying your arse off trying to save people? There's a fine line between fun and micromanagement. Manage your fits, vary your fits, alter your playstyle to suit the situation. I have fast(for a logi) fits, and hp heavy fits. I have dmg fits etc. Need to heal? Heal. Need to kill? Kill. Need to resupply? Blow up(help) vehicles? Provide spawns? Doooo Eeeeeet! Logistic suits honestly provide the most variety over time gameplay. All you have to do is be patient, focus on one goal at a time, and learn to properly assess the situation. True some matches don't let you play how you want but that's the case for everyone(save for railgun tanks). You don't need the best gear, just lots of different gear...
Marc Rime 306	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:12:00 - [76] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: A big part of the logi costs are due to the sheer number of slots available to them. At standard level, they have the most at 9 slots (minus one for ammar). More gear = mo money to drop. Then 10 at ADV and like 14 at proto. Compare this to the assault, 8, 9, 11(something like that) Logis are the most expensive suit you can run! Yeah. The solution is, ofc, obvious. They should remove a few module slots and boost the base stats to compensate for the removal.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1149	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:37:00 - [77] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: A big part of the logi costs are due to the sheer number of slots available to them. At standard level, they have the most at 9 slots (minus one for ammar). More gear = mo money to drop. Then 10 at ADV and like 14 at proto. Compare this to the assault, 8, 9, 11(something like that) Logis are the most expensive suit you can run! Yeah. The solution is, ofc, obvious. They should remove a few module slots and boost the base stats to compensate for the removal. I would instead just lower the suit cost.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 169	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:41:00 - [78] - Quote If you want to be a PC viable logi, you need a KD of at least 1.5! The elite corps will expect you to have a KDR of 2.0!!! It doesn't matter if you are a good logi, since PC (the endgame) is all about clone loss! The financial situation in elite PC is irrelevant, your death number is not! So basically you can be compensated for loss of suits, but not for loss of clones, since if you loose too many clones the district will go to the oponent. Injectors (to some extent) and repguns are not a viable assets in PC! Your gun however is. That means, if you can't kill substantially more enemys then you get killed, you are a liability in PC. Pub games need to reflect that, or the logi role needs to be more powerful in keeping clones alive. Another idea would be a defensive bonus while using the rep tool / injector. This would help to keep logis alive without giving them an edge with their rifle... I basically have a hard time breaking even in an advanced suit (in pubs), but that's mainly because equipment is too expensive and I'm not a good slayer. It's way easier to break even in an assault or heavy suit.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 313	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:49:00 - [79] - Quote Sounds like you make more than I do on my scout. I get 300k games on occasion but generally i make around 248-290k isk a match for about 143k loss. Just set your fits up a little smarter and you have a hell of a profit margin there. Dont get me started on my vehicle character....******* 400k dropship down in two shots to a militia railgun...what fun @_@ Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 406	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:05:00 - [80] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Sounds like you make more than I do on my scout. I get 300k games on occasion but generally i make around 248-290k isk a match for about 143k loss. Just set your fits up a little smarter and you have a hell of a profit margin there. Dont get me started on my vehicle character....******* 400k dropship down in two shots to a militia railgun...what fun @_@ Drop ships are op. They deserve to cost that much.

I-Shayz-I I-----I 2478	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:35:00 - [81] - Quote Your point? What other suit can get 7k wp in a match?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9OUEQFfao0&feature=youtube_gdata_player Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:41:00 - [82] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Your point? What other suit can get 7k wp in a match?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9OUEQFfao0&feature=youtube_gdata_player Awesome lol. I enjoy running log its fun. Stuck on standard Cald Logi, kept forgetting to upgrade to advanced. I have finally sunk in all my SP into most Core dropsuit upgrades and hacking . My advise is to not play Ambush as a logi if thats what you played For Domination, go with a squad or swap a rep too for a rep/resup nanhovive Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Will Driver Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:52:00 - [83] - Quote Dying 10 times and losing 460k suggests a Logi build worth 46k a pop. That sounds like a reasonable Advanced-level Logi build to me. Getting 9 kills sounds pretty good for a Logi. However, I don't agree that the ISK payout is too low. My humble opinion is that you need to find a way to live within your means - in this case by limiting the loss of your suits. With a 300k ISK payout, you can afford to lose about 6.5 suits and breakeven. My suggestion, similar to others here, is to be a little less aggressive, use cover, run with a Medic, etc. to cut your deaths down. If this play style is not fun enough for you, then there's always assault and plenty of other choices. GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2085	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:58:00 - [84] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. I lose 220k per suit in my proto suit. you think you're the only one that can go negative?
HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 663	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:00:00 - [85] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. How the hell do you not get more isk than anyone? I went 22/4 1 game last night, got 256k isk and was 4TH ON MY TEAM!!!!!! I had like 1600 wp and he had 2500 with 7/6. You are doing it wrong. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Salty Sea Dog Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 35	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:07:00 - [86] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady goes very negative every game and accumulates isk at a phenomenal rate. Generally speaking it would be 1 kill 5 deaths per match. She manages to remain very cashflow positive. The difference is that she runs with clones that understand her value in the team and protecting her is their top priority. Sounds like your issue is more related to your squad than CCP. Good luck with it and stick at it. If you want some assistance jump in channel 'OA Merc' and some friendly Arcanian may be able to offer some advice.
Eberk Baldek Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 40	Posted - 2014.03.11 07:24:00 - [87] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. . . . I hear ya! But, CCP's apparently designed this game to kill you and kill you often, so that you'll have to go buy some AURUM to pay for those expensive proto suits.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 176	Posted - 2014.03.11 09:47:00 - [88] - Quote Strangely enough, I have never run an Aurum suit, or a proto logistics suit at all....
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 224	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:50:00 - [89] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits. There is no way you should have died 10 times if you were with a group of heavies. It sounds like you need to work with your guys on how they act when a repper is on them. I know when I have a repper on me that my play style must support my logi to help us both out. Rushing through doorways becomes a big negative, it becomes even more important than normal to check all of your angles as you move up when you have a skinny suit latched on to you. When moving up from cover do not hug the wall of the corner you were just behind swing out wide allowing your logi to stay behind cover as long as possible while you survey the area. Never squat. I can not count how many times I have killed a logi cause their heavy squatted down to try to increase his range or whatever he thought he was doing. Just thought I would give a couple of talking points for you to yell at your heavies about since downtime is coming so it would be useless for me to login right now.
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 202	Posted - 2014.03.11 11:08:00 - [90] - Quote Boo hoo. If I lose one ADS to any of the dozen things that easily can kill an ADS I lose 400k+ Logis are almost always the top of the killboard, which means you make the most isk. Run cheap gear to make isk, run good gear to win. It's that simple. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.



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