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Scheherazade VII 314	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:33:00 - [1] - Quote We are the ones putting our life on the line, we are the ones healing you, resupplying you, giving you useful spawn points and we get NOTHING in return. I just went 9/10, I had my rep tool out most of the time and only made a kill when it was absolutely necessary, mostly I was sacrificing myself trying to keep our heavies alive and also through healing everyone I saw. 3000WP, 332K ISK was made, 460K ISK was lost, THIS HAS TO CHANGE What's the ***** point of being a logi? What would I had to have made to break even? 4000wp? TO BREAK EVEN?! This has been said TIME AND TIME again and NOTHING is being done! If ISK payouts don't change for logis in 1.8 then I may as well just play Call of Duty! Some of us get bored with doing nothing but shooting all the ***** time. The role is there for a reason, so make it work CCP! Make it viable, being a logi is fun but seeing the end screen just makes me pissed off and wish I pulled out a rail rifle instead. Which I did the next game, and I made ISK... Is this just a spamfest? Are there supposed to be other roles or are we all supposed to spam the FOTM? If you want this to be nothing but another cookie-cutter shooter then go ahead, keep going down the path you're going. If this is going to be anything more than a casual lobby shooter then there needs to be a reason to put down the gun and support your team!! I guess I'll just go back to spamming the OP triple damage modded rail rifle! Because you get more ISK for mindlessly slaughtering masses of newberries in starter fits.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 713	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:36:00 - [2] - Quote Everyone is just going to tell you to run cheaper fits to make ISK in. I mean why would would you skill into something you never get to use because you always have to run the cheapest fit possible to make ISK. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Scheherazade VII 314	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:38:00 - [3] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Everyone is just going to tell you to run cheaper fits to make ISK in. I mean why would would you skill into something you never get to use because you always have to run the cheapest fit possible to make ISK. The thing is if I make a cheaper fit I'll die more and I'll still lose the same amount of ISK!
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 394	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:39:00 - [4] - Quote Logis are hella profitable. More slots than assaults and CPU/PG for proto mods and a gun. who runs equipment on logis? LOL
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1833	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:39:00 - [5] - Quote Funny since payouts are mostly determined by WP and Logis usually get the most, which means that others get less ISK. Die less next time or use cheaper suits? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 545	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:41:00 - [6] - Quote aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7268	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:44:00 - [7] - Quote Try asking the null-sec dwellers why they bring a multi-billion ISK ship into the battlefield not expecting much in the way of ISK gains. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Scheherazade VII 314	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:46:00 - [8] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Funny since payouts are mostly determined by WP and Logis usually get the most, which means that others get less ISK. Die less next time or use cheaper suits? die less? when the heavy on the other team is destroying us getting 46 kills? use cheaper fits? what so I should have 50% less health and die more and lose the same amount of ISK? No. killing gets you more ISK.
Scheherazade VII 314	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:48:00 - [9] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? You're seriously missing the point. The point isn't that I lost ISK. It's that being a logi (i.e supporting your team) is not profitable and therefore pointless. There is no incentive to support your team, just stack health modules right? That's not the game I want to play and I'm sure that's not the game which CCP intend to make. Roles are in the game for a reason, equipment is in the game for a reason.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7268	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:49:00 - [10] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Funny since payouts are mostly determined by WP and Logis usually get the most, which means that others get less ISK. Die less next time or use cheaper suits? die less? when the heavy on the other team is destroying us getting 46 kills? use cheaper fits? what so I should have 50% less health and die more and lose the same amount of ISK? No. killing gets you more ISK. NO. Just die less. Repair behind cover, stand behind friendly heavies as cover, keep an eye out on your TACNET, etc. I have seen a lot of logis utilizing cover in many ways to mitigate their losses. But what do I know? I'm just a scout. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

Billi Gene 503	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:50:00 - [11] - Quote might help/might not: healing nanohives, you still get the rep WP, without having to drop your gun. Drop a normal nanohive on top of it to soak up newbs trying to resupply from the healing nanohive. If you are wearing a yellow suit, you are a target, if you are repping someone you are the primary target. The upside of this is that you can now also stand on your nanohive if you are using your rep tool.... lastly..... do make a cheap logi fit for matches you want to logi in but not worry about isk... be it a standard logi suit with standard or militia equips, or a scout/light suit or medium/assault suit with a rep tool or w/e.... making a 'fun'suit is also important, pulling hair out over other people stupidity... or your own... can quickly be alleviated by jumping into a suit designed around a fun playstyle. because: people are running cheap militia and standard fits more nowadays... SP in upgrades and weaponry makes lower tier gear more effective as much as it makes higher tier more effective, it costs less and more importantly... as you are finding out... it denies isk to the other team. Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1833	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:50:00 - [12] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: die less? when the heavy on the other team is destroying us getting 46 kills? use cheaper fits? what so I should have 50% less health and die more and lose the same amount of ISK? No. killing gets you more ISK. So you're complaining about being on a bad team then? There's a solution to that you know. A good Logi is one that supports his team while not dying much, but everyone is of course losing ISK if they're on the losing team as that's what you're supposed to. Or do you think that everyone should always be making ISK, both the winning and losing team? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 714	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:52:00 - [13] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Everyone is just going to tell you to run cheaper fits to make ISK in. I mean why would would you skill into something you never get to use because you always have to run the cheapest fit possible to make ISK. The thing is if I make a cheaper fit I'll die more and I'll still lose the same amount of ISK! I know, my average logi fit runs around 50K ISK. At best I can expect to break even. My cheap suit is 14K and isn't nearly as durable. My proto can run up to 250+K If I wanted to, but I never wear it anyway. The past week I've thrown together a 15K scout suit that has been a lot of fun and turned a good profit. Figured if I am going to be super squishy anyway might as well shotgun someone in the face. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
ads alt 126	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:53:00 - [14] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Funny since payouts are mostly determined by WP and Logis usually get the most, which means that others get less ISK. Die less next time or use cheaper suits? Thats kinda hard when you cant shoot and your not meant to kill...I sacrifice my life for teamates.... 1.8 will release...
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1833	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:54:00 - [15] - Quote ads alt wrote: Thats kinda hard when you cant shoot and your not meant to kill...I sacrifice my life for teamates.... You're doing it wrong if you as the Logi is sacrificing your lifie. Your team should be protecting you. If it can't then of course you lose ISK. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 278	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:55:00 - [16] - Quote I wish I could make 300K a game. A logi makes much more ISK than everyone else, it's no different for you than it is for all other infantry. I can rack up 2-3M in kills, but still make <250K because some bluedot logi threw down a bunch of deathtrap uplinks and nanohives to farm the newberries for WP. EDIT: Bendtner92 wrote: ads alt wrote: Thats kinda hard when you cant shoot and your not meant to kill...I sacrifice my life for teamates.... You're doing it wrong if you as the Logi is sacrificing your lifie. Your team should be protecting you. If it can't then of course you lose ISK. This too, a dead logi is a useless logi. They should be sacrificing themselves to protect you, you're the one that might be able to get them back up. If they aren't protecting you, then they might as well die.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 545	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:57:00 - [17] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? You're seriously missing the point. The point isn't that I lost ISK. It's that being a logi (i.e supporting your team) is not profitable and therefore pointless. There is no incentive to support your team, just stack health modules right? That's not the game I want to play and I'm sure that's not the game which CCP intend to make. Roles are in the game for a reason, equipment is in the game for a reason. hey just reminding you there other things that give no income whatsoever and its been like that for a long time "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 440	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:07:00 - [18] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: aaaauuu thats cute Being an ADS pilot murders your wallet does one of your suits cost half an million then gets 2 shoted out of existence by a noob? You're lucky. There are forge guns and large rail turrets that can 1 shot my dropship. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2865	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:07:00 - [19] - Quote BPO Logi suit says otherwise Intelligence is OP
Scheneighnay McBob Hammerhead i Eagle Thrust 4239	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:08:00 - [20] - Quote The main problem I see with logis is that WPs don't really increase with tiers. Standard logis are jut as efficient at getting WP (if not more) as proto logis. I am your scan error.

Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1520	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:14:00 - [21] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The main problem I see with logis is that WPs don't really increase with tiers. Standard logis are jut as efficient at getting WP (if not more) as proto logis. Hardly. 1-3 uplinks VS 6+, faster rep tool, and triage nanohives, all provide plenty of WP gain over a newbie logi running standard equipment. OP: I have no problem making a profit logi-ing, though I don't use a rep tool because it's boring. Try running around in 50k scout suits earning barely 200k a match, then come back. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1945	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:15:00 - [22] - Quote I made a couple of million today running my logi chick. suits cost me 40k,lost an everage of 3 per match, made an average of 350k per match I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
abarkrishna WarRavens 340	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:19:00 - [23] - Quote I run proto logi and profit 3/5 games. It's all about your teammates helping you. My guys run needles and save me tons of suits just like I save their asses time and time again. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2247	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:11:00 - [24] - Quote I make a small profit using just ADV suits, a bit more sprinkling in BPOs. There's a reason you will never see me in a proto suit. No surprise here, this is the (actually not) hidden cost of being a logi that the whiners forget when they QQ about the WP we earn. BTW, we all know the economy, such as it is, is broken, but two things were never intended to be profitable: - losing - running proto 24/7 "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7245	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:16:00 - [25] - Quote Did you seriously lose 10 suits and then complained that you aren't profitable? A good Logi actually makes the most profit, because he gets the most WP. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2992	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:19:00 - [26] - Quote You need to learn how to retreat. Advance in the opposite direction. Dying 10 times is your fault, not the logistics dropsuit's fault. H M G
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1281	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:21:00 - [27] - Quote QQ. Cry me a river and I'll build you a boat to get across it. Stop losing clones. No matter what class you are, you'll go into the negative if you're running high-cost fittings and losing. No one wants to hear you ***** about how you put your "life" on the line, ironically as a clone mercenary, when we're all working hard on the battlefield. Meh. Yes, stop dying is the answer. Could you argue against it? Logistics gain the most ISK out of a match and the smart ones do it with minimal cost. Maybe change your fits from offensive based to defensive based? You have the slots for it. High regen with durable defenses. Little fire power but you're supposed to be support, not offense. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 164	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:23:00 - [28] - Quote I logi, and I can't control the flow of the game, but if I tank a few fits and start to lose money...I just slow down. Especially if jumping in front of the truck isn't saving that puppy, why jump? Look for profitable ways to help out without getting shot up. Run some uplink flanking suits, some scans, stay out of the most pit, at best drop a few triage hives in the thick areas and have your mates fall back for reps. I almost always make isk as a logi, it's my most profitable class besides scout. I use it to fund my tanks and heavy lol. Oh and I don't have proto logistics, just proto equipment.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 787	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:24:00 - [29] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: ads alt wrote: Thats kinda hard when you cant shoot and your not meant to kill...I sacrifice my life for teamates.... You're doing it wrong if you as the Logi is sacrificing your lifie. Your team should be protecting you. If it can't then of course you lose ISK. This. Logis are extremely expensive merely for the fact that they have so many slots. Start thinking about yourself a bit, you're there to support your team not throw yourself info fire. If a heavy your healing runs into a grinder, bail. Teach them to avoid situations like that. Also make sure a member of your squad besides you runs an injector...even better if you can get another to run a rep tool or rep hives.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 164	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:27:00 - [30] - Quote Also, I almost always have an allotek hive as one of my slots for self reps/ammo, I'm quick to fall back and rep myself no matter who gets the shaft. In the words of a wise man.... "come with me if you want to live"



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