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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:25:00 -
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lol here we go again
Point on the doll where to HMG touched you...
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Snagman 313
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
336
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:26:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lol here we go again Point on the doll where to HMG touched you...
Lance bud you're giving the game away!!!!
Closed Beta AV veteran
I drink because I play Dust
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Vegetation Monster
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:26:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:That video was from February 2013 and Chromosome hit in sometime around the 18th or 19th of December 2012 Heavies got nerfed shortly thereafter I think we had 2 or 3 weeks before the hot fix that gave rise to what stats the video shows. I forget the name of the build before Chromosome but that one was a good one for Heavies as well.
Again Cry much???
They got nerfed for the better then. Now stfu. you lost.
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Snagman 313
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
336
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:27:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:That video was from February 2013 and Chromosome hit in sometime around the 18th or 19th of December 2012 Heavies got nerfed shortly thereafter I think we had 2 or 3 weeks before the hot fix that gave rise to what stats the video shows. I forget the name of the build before Chromosome but that one was a good one for Heavies as well.
Again Cry much??? They got nerfed for the better then. Now stfu. you lost.
Really????
By the sounds of it you're the one with the heavy problems?
Closed Beta AV veteran
I drink because I play Dust
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1860
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:27:00 -
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I assume you're talking about the Supply Depot in the Gallente Weapons Facility. That is the single best spot in the game game that plays entirely to the HMG's strengths.
Tight quarters, only two entrances, few surprises. Yes, the HMG is going to beat the crap out of everything in that space.
Your nerf request is like me saying, "I can't beat ScRs and RRs in 50m shootouts with my HMG. They both need their range and DPS nerfed to make it a fair fight." Just... it's missing a bit of common sense.
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
152
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:33:00 -
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Heavies are fine. We will see if that holds true after the next patch. However, heavies do exactly what the are designed to do currently. They excel at close range point defense, but require support and transport to be effective. An assault/logi frame should not win an even CQC battle in an enclosed space vs. a heavy (unless you happen to be really accurate with a CR or ScR (Amarr only)). In any situation where it is contest of eHP and DPS, without any mitigating factors such as range and movement, the heavy should be at a clear advantage. Don't stand in front of a HMG and shoot the fats kids as they lumber, wheezing and jiggling, across the playground...
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4774
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:36:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:They got nerfed for the better then. Now stfu. you lost.
honestly man, you sound like you got molested one too many times by the HMG. You approached a heavy in HIS DOMAIN, and you're crying over it?
That's as dumb as heavies crying over ARs beating them out in long range engagements.
Wipe them tears away
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
108
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:37:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Nerf the HMGs and all you'll see is heavies using rail and combat rifles. Choose wisely. Nerf HMG's. RR and CR getting nerfed anyway.
You do realize that the range of HMG's are way below the rifles right? They're ideal for close quarters and close-mid-range. Anything beyond that and they're no match. |
Supernus Gigas
Star Giants
350
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:45:00 -
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Oh wow, an HMG nerf thread. Haven't seen one of these in a long time. My HMG is a crutch? It's the only anti-infantry weapon available to Heavies you dolt. And please, learn to spell or something, I nearly had an aneurysm trying to read your post.
FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!
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Christiphoros von Poe
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
177
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:47:00 -
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It's just doing it's job...
(1) "Exile" Assault Rifle reserved for: Fire of Prometheus
Replication->Codex->Chromosome->Uprising->???
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Christiphoros von Poe
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
178
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:51:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:That video was from February 2013 and Chromosome hit in sometime around the 18th or 19th of December 2012 Heavies got nerfed shortly thereafter I think we had 2 or 3 weeks before the hot fix that gave rise to what stats the video shows. I forget the name of the build before Chromosome but that one was a good one for Heavies as well.
Again Cry much??? Oh oh! Read my sig for the builds!
(1) "Exile" Assault Rifle reserved for: Fire of Prometheus
Uprising->Replication->E3->Codex->Chromosome->Uprising->???
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Vegetation Monster
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
228
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:52:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:I assume you're talking about the Supply Depot in the Gallente Weapons Facility. That is the single best spot in the game game that plays entirely to the HMG's strengths.
Tight quarters, only two entrances, few surprises. Yes, the HMG is going to beat the crap out of everything in that space.
Your nerf request is like me saying, "I can't beat ScRs and RRs in 50m shootouts with my HMG. They both need their range and DPS nerfed to make it a fair fight." Just... it's missing a bit of common sense.
So it is a bad move on my part to try to push to an objective because their is a heavy their that i can't do sh*t about because hes going to kill. The only way i could kill him is with another heavy. It's the same as saying Tanks are ok because you are in their domain and the only way to kill a tank is with another tank. That is why these two things are OP.
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Shyeer Alvarin
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:54:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:I assume you're talking about the Supply Depot in the Gallente Weapons Facility. That is the single best spot in the game game that plays entirely to the HMG's strengths.
Tight quarters, only two entrances, few surprises. Yes, the HMG is going to beat the crap out of everything in that space.
Your nerf request is like me saying, "I can't beat ScRs and RRs in 50m shootouts with my HMG. They both need their range and DPS nerfed to make it a fair fight." Just... it's missing a bit of common sense. So it is a bad move on my part to try to push to an objective because their is a heavy their that i can't do sh*t about because hes going to kill. The only way i could kill him is with another heavy. It's the same as saying Tanks are ok because you are in their domain and the only way to kill a tank is with another tank. That is why these two things are OP.
Remote explosives, grenades, sig-damped scouts with shotguns, and mass drivers.
Give it a try sometime. These "OP Tactics" do work.
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Snagman 313
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
337
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:55:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:That video was from February 2013 and Chromosome hit in sometime around the 18th or 19th of December 2012 Heavies got nerfed shortly thereafter I think we had 2 or 3 weeks before the hot fix that gave rise to what stats the video shows. I forget the name of the build before Chromosome but that one was a good one for Heavies as well.
Again Cry much??? Oh oh! Read my sig for the builds!
Cheers bud I couldn't remember the names but damn you been at this for quite a while!
Closed Beta AV veteran
I drink because I play Dust
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Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1004
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:00:00 -
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so let me get this straight, OP is complaining about my HMG because im using the tight quarter in the Gal compound to my advantage, and OP wants its dmg nerfed to before the fix? so you want us to carry a giant BB gun that spits at you and deal no dmg?
technically its your fault for taking on the heavy with his HMG in a tight area where you pretty much can't strafe past him.
even without the extra ROF the HMG will still tear you a new one.
reduce the range by 10%? what you want the HMG to be like a shotgun now?
besides getting snuck up by a heavy from behind? dude you're a scout you run faster than us, you shouldnt be having your back turned towards a heavy AND be within range of his HMG to begin with in the first place.
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Shyeer Alvarin
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:07:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:so let me get this straight, OP is complaining about my HMG because im using the tight quarter in the Gal compound to my advantage, and OP wants its dmg nerfed to before the fix? so you want us to carry a giant BB gun that spits at you and deal no dmg?
technically its your fault for taking on the heavy with his HMG in a tight area where you pretty much can't strafe past him.
even without the extra ROF the HMG will still tear you a new one.
reduce the range by 10%? what you want the HMG to be like a shotgun now?
besides getting snuck up by a heavy from behind? dude you're a scout you run faster than us, you shouldnt be having your back turned towards a heavy AND be within range of his HMG to begin with in the first place.
Seems legit. Probably wants HAV's made out of paper armor that can be one-shot with a mass driver too.
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
443
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:07:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Asha Starwind wrote:Add a movement penalty similar to that when firing a FG. Bam done no more QQ. I remember there already is....
Doesn't appear to be or large enough to matter, once they're range there is no ways for them to escape my HMG the walking speed is enough to keep them in optimal, unless they're a scout but it doesn't matter because they usu don't have enough hp to make the gap. IMO this is the root of all the complaints.
32db Mad Bomber.
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Oxskull Duncarino
0uter.Heaven
456
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:18:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Man, im tired of this fking Vegetation Monster posting bullsh*t... Lol, clap clap
The best part of his post is that the strafe speed of heavies is an issue for him....ROFL |
howard sanchez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
849
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:24:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Nerf the HMGs and all you'll see is heavies using rail and combat rifles. Choose wisely. Lol so true. Gotta love the QQ bout HMG. "OMG, The HMG keeps beating me up close!! WTF CCP ITS OP! MY RR SHOULD BE ABLE TO SOLO IT." NO "Its OMG FUK THIS HMG, TOOK AWAY 99% OF the Heavies HP with SG AND HE TURNS AROUND AND KILLS ME IN .0000001" Working as intended. Learn2Finish what you start |
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DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:25:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Nerf the HMGs and all you'll see is heavies using rail and combat rifles. Choose wisely. Lol so true. Gotta love the QQ bout HMG. "OMG, The HMG keeps beating me up close!! WTF CCP ITS OP! MY RR SHOULD BE ABLE TO SOLO IT." NO "Its OMG FUK THIS HMG, TOOK AWAY 99% OF the Heavies HP with SG AND HE TURNS AROUND AND KILLS ME IN .0000001" Working as intended. Learn2Finish what you start Also, dont forget to nerf my super op scout suit with a shotgun and smg, it kills people! |
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CLONE117
True Pros Forever
710
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:26:00 -
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the rail rifles are so bad ive had to put up my std sentinel and std hmg and run tanks for some matches.
mainly rail tanks. because my hmg heavy is just rail rifle food. i have to use a rail tank just to counter. and it gets harder when im then forced to focus on enemy rail gunlogis and maddys.
if only the mlt blue berries would get out some tanks to counter the enemy std tanks.
now for the high tiered hmgs. yes they are face melters.. especially when combined with dmg mods. they can maul other heavies within a second. but so can rail rifles and combat rifles. and guess what they can do it from farther away unlike the hmg.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME
961
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:27:00 -
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I'm not even gonna start...
Assassination is my thing.
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1860
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:28:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:IMO this is the root of all the complaints, a heavy engages you and you want to disengage but you can't.
If he rolled up in a LAV, sure. Battle Segways are an issue.
But normal, on the ground fighting? Medium and light suits are in complete control of the engagement range unless caught by surprise or armor brick-tanked.
I cannot count the number of times Scouts have ducked behind cover and slipped away before I could get a second bullet in them. The smart ones are re-approaching from a different direction 15 seconds later, and it makes me paranoid as hell.
For some stupid reason, Assaults and Logis always want to stand and fight.
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Oxskull Duncarino
0uter.Heaven
457
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:29:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:calisk galern wrote:on the bright side, in a few weeks the event will be long over and heavies will be buffed and you can face them for 3 months until 1.9 =) Nah I'll leave till it's fixed, I can't use a forge or hmg on my assault or scout so why can they run our weapons with all that hp? And don't mention speed, strafing is pointless in this game now If assaults can have an equipment slot on the suit then us heavies should be able to too Oh wait a moment, is that how they balanced it
For the record I've always been in favor of all suits being able to fit all weapons, but with penalties in place. Recoil and movement speed restrictions would be the main ones for the HMG in my view, but that's for another thread since I don't want to take the glory away from Vegetation's QQing. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1438
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:38:00 -
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Increase the HMG range slightly. Nerf Heavies being able to drive themselves around in vehicles. Nerf the ability for a non Commando heavy to use light weapons. Nerf spin and strafe speed, give them an ungodly profile so they light up like a Christmas tree.
Problem solved. The heavy is now what it is supposed to be GÇö either a lead-in to an assault, point defense or close range cover fire.
We get rid of the ease of spamming it for all these other convenient uses. We get back some kind of decorum and variety to the game.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn
253
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:39:00 -
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The HMG Is fine. I like it where it is. It's not OP. I down heavies all the time, and now, they kill me too with their intended weapon. I have to fear being 30m from a heavy still and wouldntwantitany other way. They might be strong, but long reload, slow frame, and open ground are all factors easy to manipulate in dust.
I think KDR is a big problem. Most people don't care about losing suits or isk. This issue is pride. The lower the KDR, the lower you feel at the end of the game. What if we were only showed our kills, wp and isk lost. This might be a better judge at player competency and efficiency than knowing your deaths. Do you qq because you lost isk? Or do you qq because you feel cheated out of what your KDR should be?
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Drapedup Drippedout
0uter.Heaven
512
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:02:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Nerf the HMGs and all you'll see is heavies using rail and combat rifles. Choose wisely. Lol so true. Gotta love the QQ bout HMG. "OMG, The HMG keeps beating me up close!! WTF CCP ITS OP! MY RR SHOULD BE ABLE TO SOLO IT." NO "Its OMG FUK THIS HMG, TOOK AWAY 99% OF the Heavies HP with SG AND HE TURNS AROUND AND KILLS ME IN .0000001"
Lol seriously? In other words, why does it take more than two shots to kill the suit that is supposed to stand toe to toe with a ******* tank? Because it's the suit that's supposed to stand toe to toe with a ******* tank. Git gud scrub, maybe new tactics are in order?
Pro-fit Prophet
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1863
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:03:00 -
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Shyeer Alvarin wrote:Remote explosives, grenades, sig-damped scouts with shotguns, and mass drivers.
Give it a try sometime. These "OP Tactics" do work.
Really, this. I lose 1v1s against wicked smart scout players more than I lose 1v1s to heavies or "pro gun game" mediums.
It does give me concern for 1.8, however. The thing that might make Sentinels OP could be the -5%/level blast resistance, not the weapon-type resistances.
Heavies still need to have the hard counter of REs and grenades to be balanced. I guess we'll see.
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Onesimus Tarsus
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1349
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:03:00 -
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Drapedup Drippedout wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Nerf the HMGs and all you'll see is heavies using rail and combat rifles. Choose wisely. Lol so true. Gotta love the QQ bout HMG. "OMG, The HMG keeps beating me up close!! WTF CCP ITS OP! MY RR SHOULD BE ABLE TO SOLO IT." NO "Its OMG FUK THIS HMG, TOOK AWAY 99% OF the Heavies HP with SG AND HE TURNS AROUND AND KILLS ME IN .0000001" Lol seriously? In other words, why does it take more than two shots to kill the suit that is supposed to stand toe to toe with a ******* tank? Because it's the suit that's supposed to stand toe to toe with a ******* tank. Git gud scrub, maybe new tactics are in order?
I'll believe this tripe when I see heavies standing toe-to-toe with tanks.
Start an alt, use no SP, grab a starter fit and join me in "no SP warriors" chat!
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
230
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Posted - 2014.03.04 20:08:00 -
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Based on this post & the one about your Min scout suit. I would say that you have not spent you SP wisely(for your scout at least). If heavies are sneaking up on you, then you are doing something wrong. & with all those proto weapons, you shouldn't have any problem dealing damage. But if you profile/precision aren't maxed(if not a proto scout) then you won't stand a chance.
In short, stop wasting your SP. & quit the QQ with these horrible threads. |
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