DUST Search - Man, im tired of this fking heavy bullsh*t...

Vegetation Monster wrote:

CommanderBolt wrote:

Vegetation Monster wrote:

It's not even heavies, it's those god dam HMG's!! CCP buffed them and they better than they were in chromosome now. Now it's just heavy spam 514 especially in freking gallante facility. You know what else is stupid, the fact that they can sneak up on my gallante scout suit. Why does passive scanning suck so god damn much? Nerf HMG back to 2000 rof and reduce range by like 10 more percent so heavies have a reason to actually use the assault HMG. This heavy bullsh*t has gone on for too long. The extra Rof makes them OP imo (HMG). The heavies suits are fine, idc for them having rifles. At least they don't kill my scout in like .000000000000000000000001 seconds. it only takes them .0000000000000000000002. Also, wtf is up with these god dam heavies strafing like scouts? WTFFF? its so annoying trying to kill them in close range with SG especially cuz they stafe like MOFOS!

And yes Re's are good

I am a tanker (not really, i dont even use my complex tanks) , heavy, DS pilot, scout gallante and minmitar, proto amarr assault, Proto FG, Proto RR, proto CR, proto Duvolle. And I support nerfing heavies and tanks. (not really heavies, more like the HMGs)

EDIT: OR NERF SPIN SPEED!!!

You are not meant to take on HMG heavies at close range lol. You fight them outside of their own range or you sneak up and do terrible things like shotgun them or plant remote explosives all over the shop.

I'm getting tired of this communities readiness to call one thing or another OP yet not ever actually discuss balance as a whole. People conveniently forget one detail or another.
Think about all angles of a weapon / roles behaviour, stop having tunnel vision on one single aspect of something. How about we compare data, how about we discuss roles?

I SG but they turn fast enough to rip me to shreads.

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Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 521	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:18:00 - [61] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: IMO this is the root of all the complaints, a heavy engages you and you want to disengage but you can't. If he rolled up in a LAV, sure. Battle Segways are an issue. But normal, on the ground fighting? Medium and light suits are in complete control of the engagement range unless caught by surprise or armor brick-tanked. I cannot count the number of times Scouts have ducked behind cover and slipped away before I could get a second bullet in them. The smart ones are re-approaching from a different direction 15 seconds later, and it makes me paranoid as hell. For some stupid reason, Assaults and Logis always want to stand and fight. Once that paranoia kicks in you start to think "did he drop an RE?" "Was that footsteps behind me" "was that movement?" "Is that a red chevron" and BLAM! Shotgun to the back of the head ._.+ BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Outlaw OneZero Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1168	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:20:00 - [62] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: I SG but they turn fast enough to rip me to shreads. Your problem is not that the HMG is OP, it is that the SG is UP. Shotgun has problems, ask some scouts, it really needs to do more damage.
emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 70	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:24:00 - [63] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: They use the rr more than hmg, get rid of that **** or make it so there's a purpose in strafing..right now it's not about skill but who has more hp not always who had more HP, but likely who had the better logi behind them.
echo47 Minmatar Republic 209	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:26:00 - [64] - Quote Be careful about what you ask for. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 560	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:35:00 - [65] - Quote Outlaw OneZero wrote: Vegetation Monster wrote: I SG but they turn fast enough to rip me to shreads. Your problem is not that the HMG is OP, it is that the SG is UP. Shotgun has problems, ask some scouts, it really needs to do more damage. Exactly. In an ideal world, nova knives would do the most damage in the game (honestly, they should OHK pretty much everything) given how close you have to be to use them. Same thing with shotguns--if you're able to get within 5 meters of your target, the shotgun should have the advantage over any non-NK weapon. HMGs, by comparison, should have the advantage over any regular light rifle within the HMG's range. In regards to the OP's post, he's identified the right problem (a heavy's ability to maintain the upper hand within the shotgun's ideal range) but offers the wrong solution. Fix the shotgun and leave the HMG be. Also, the issue of scout suits failing to passively pick up a nearby heavy will hopefully be fixed in the next patch with a buff to scan range. Passive scan range doesn't do much good if you have to be well within the range of an enemy--capable of killing you in a second or so--to be able to identify the potential threat. Life is killing me.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 454	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:40:00 - [66] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Outlaw OneZero wrote: Vegetation Monster wrote: I SG but they turn fast enough to rip me to shreads. Your problem is not that the HMG is OP, it is that the SG is UP. Shotgun has problems, ask some scouts, it really needs to do more damage. Exactly. In an ideal world, nova knives would do the most damage in the game (honestly, they should OHK pretty much everything) given how close you have to be to use them. Same thing with shotguns--if you're able to get within 5 meters of your target, the shotgun should have the advantage over any non-NK weapon. HMGs, by comparison, should have the advantage over any regular light rifle within the HMG's range. In regards to the OP's post, he's identified the right problem (a heavy's ability to maintain the upper hand within the shotgun's ideal range) but offers the wrong solution. Fix the shotgun and leave the HMG be. Also, the issue of scout suits failing to passively pick up a nearby heavy will hopefully be fixed in the next patch with a buff to scan range. Passive scan range doesn't do much good if you have to be well within the range of an enemy--capable of killing you in a second or so--to be able to identify the potential threat. First off, there's no guarantee of picking up anyone on your radar. It's only a chance. There are modules and skills to modify that chance, but though the chance can be high, it's never 100%. There's always a chance of a heavy sneaking up on a scout, but it's nowhere near a scout's chance to sneak up on a heavy. I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 81	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:41:00 - [67] - Quote lol you hate them now . wait till i come back off taken a break and running minny heavy with spd of 7.5 with a 6kin . you will quit this game muhahaha FEAR THE HEAVY FLANKER. and about the sg ,,,,,,what do you want to 1 shot 1200 health suit ? sg are very ood where they are just hit det needs to be a bit better
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 439	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:15:00 - [68] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: It's not even heavies, it's those god dam HMG's!! CCP buffed them and they better than they were in chromosome now. Now it's just heavy spam 514 especially in freking gallante facility. You know what else is stupid, the fact that they can sneak up on my gallante scout suit. If your scout suit is getting snuck up by heavies, then it's because they've spec'd into profile dampening, maybe you should too. Vegetation Monster wrote: Nerf HMG back to 2000 rof and reduce range by like 10 more percent so heavies have a reason to actually use the assault HMG. Just as soon as the Breach Rifle gets fixed, fine. Fact is, the Assault HMG doesn't get used because the HMG is better, but because the assualt HMG outright sucks. Too much loss of power and the distance advantage isn't that great. Vegetation Monster wrote: This heavy bullsht has gone on for too long. The extra Rof makes them OP imo (HMG). The heavies suits are fine, idc for them having rifles. At least they don't kill my scout in like .000000000000000000000001 seconds. it only takes them .0000000000000000000002 1) This build actually made the heavy viable again, previous to it, it was the most worthless suit you could put on 2) The Heavy with a RR is hilariously OP'd. Using a militia Amarr Heacy suit with a buffed SL-4 I can take out heavies using an HMG in QCQ. Vegetation Monster wrote:* Also, wtf is up with these god dam heavies strafing like scouts? WTFFF? its so annoying trying to kill them in close range with SG especially cuz they stafe like MOFOS! I'll give you this one. As a heavy myself, I hate seeing the 2 tons two step. Shut up and shoot as I always like to say. Vegetation Monster wrote: And yes Re's are good No, they are hilariously OP; explode after you kill the guy using it, can be thrown one after the other faster than grenades and have way too much range for throwing distance. About 90% of the maps on this game are NOT friendly heavy. Most heavies don't play on Dom Maps where there's an open letter since the RR's will tear us apart at range. We're tank bait out in the open and even worse against ADShips. While we can take on multiple enemies at once and win in Pub rooms, in PC, we have to have logi support. The Sentinel is a PURELY defensive suit, the basic being a bit better for assaulting an objective. The Assault suit and Duvolle will be where it's at after this patch. As a scout, if you get close enough to a Heavy to where he can use his HMG at full blast...that's your fault. Not his. He's in his element and you walked into it. Sounds to me like your just not spec'd right to be a scout and that you don't play the role right. They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 51	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:30:00 - [69] - Quote First off assault since day 1, second suit full Min logi. That said I love where the heavies are. They actually kill things again. I mean no offense but if heavies kill you to much you are doing something wrong. So here are some tips when facing heavies. 1. Keep your distance. With the way the cone system works if your 5' from them you will absorb every bullet. At range they can not find cover fast enough. 2. Make sure you have cover available before engaging. You HAVE to disrupt their fire. When they let off the trigger you have a brief window to get some shoot on target. In cqc your object should not be kill but survive. If you can keep the fight going long enough you should get some support. 3. Always circle in the same direction. Their turn speed is slower than most straf while they are shooting. And you may get luckily enough that they start shooting someone else giving you the opprotunity for a kill. 4. If you are unfortunate enough to go head to head DO NOT lift off the trigger. You have to get every round on them as fast as possible. Those are the rules I live by on the field. "Long live the Empress, unless you have some isk"
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3945	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:31:00 - [70] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Nerf the HMGs and all you'll see is heavies using rail and combat rifles. Choose wisely. Sorry but I see that already MinScout- "I'm going to knife you my commando" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"

Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4784	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:51:00 - [71] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Man, im tired of this fking Vegetation Monster posting bullsht... Lol, clap clap The best part of his post is that the strafe speed of heavies is an issue for him....ROFL if the heavies strafe "speed" is an issue for him, then FPS might not be for him. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"*
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 463	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:08:00 - [72] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Man, im tired of this fking Vegetation Monster posting bullsh*t... Lol, clap clap The best part of his post is that the strafe speed of heavies is an issue for him....ROFL if the heavies strafe "speed" is an issue for him, then FPS might not be for him. I'm actually more thinking that any coordinated activity using hands is going to be an issue for him/her. Heavy strafing is now OP.........lol, it is honestly the most unintentionally funny thing typed on these forums in a long time. Mr. Vegetation, you have set the bar high for future specials. Congratulations
Interplanetary Insanitarium 293	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:49:00 - [73] - Quote Good job, you all scared him away. >Welcome to Bonertown U.S.A.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 59	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:53:00 - [74] - Quote If you want to kill a heavy as a scot. Use a short gun Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 483	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:05:00 - [75] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Man, im tired of this fking Vegetation Monster posting bullsht... Man, im tired on bithes like you defending your crutch. Man, im tired on bit*hes like you defending your badposting. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7158	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:13:00 - [76] - Quote Oh look, something killed me. Nerf it! Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7158	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:15:00 - [77] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: If you want to kill a heavy as a scot. Use a short gun Or a pair of Ishukone nova knives. I have one hit killed heavies head on with these bad boys. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1882	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:27:00 - [78] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: If you want to kill a heavy as a scot. Use a short gun Short gun scot! I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 60	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:36:00 - [79] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: If you want to kill a heavy as a scot. Use a short gun Short gun scot! HAHAHA I corrected myself Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 60	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:37:00 - [80] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: If you want to kill a heavy as a scot. Use a short gun Or a pair of Ishukone nova knives. I have one hit killed heavies head on with these bad boys. Well you can get a militia short gun but no militia Ishukone nova knives. That will cost you lol Proud Christian Jesus Loves You

APOPHIS Xxx The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 25	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:46:00 - [81] - Quote It is frustrating to die by them, but without the heavy suit, what would those players suit up in? Most of them are scrubs at using other suits so they need all the armor they can get to stay alive and be competitive. Think of them as your kid brother that wants to tag along but needs extra help to fit in and be useful. Win or lose....I bring out the best in you!
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1358	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:48:00 - [82] - Quote APOPHIS Xxx wrote: It is frustrating to die by them, but without the heavy suit, what would those players suit up in? Most of them are scrubs at using other suits so they need all the armor they can get to stay alive and be competitive. Think of them as your kid brother that wants to tag along but needs extra help to fit in and be useful. Explains tanks too. Start an alt, use no SP, grab a starter fit and join me in "no SP warriors" chat!
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:06:00 - [83] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: They use the rr more than hmg, get rid of that **** or make it so there's a purpose in strafing..right now it's not about skill but who has more hp Yep, nothing I hate more in a match than a bunch of fatsuits using RRs. I wish strafing would become more relevant again. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:11:00 - [84] - Quote APOPHIS Xxx wrote: It is frustrating to die by them, but without the heavy suit, what would those players suit up in? Most of them are scrubs at using other suits so they need all the armor they can get to stay alive and be competitive. Think of them as your kid brother that wants to tag along but needs extra help to fit in and be useful. That's my point exactly. Without those suits, the majority of them are scrubs with **** aiming ability. To me, if you can't learn how to aim after a time or figure out a decent fitting, then either leave or just keep dying in matches. With these fatsuits these people use, it has nothing to do with skill level. Unless I land a consistent stream of head shots or am using a ScR, in a one on one engagement, I'll die every time, even though they can't aim decent because I won't be able to cut through their tanked hp quick enough. It's just fricken stupid. I tried it myself once. Equipped a tanked fatsuit with a Kaalakota RR. I was able to easily withstand three guys at once wearing normal suits at long range and picked them off one by one without much trouble. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1890	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:20:00 - [85] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: It's just fricken stupid. I tried it myself once. Equipped a tanked fatsuit with a Kaalakota RR. I was able to easily withstand three guys at once wearing normal suits at long range and picked them off one by one without much trouble. Okay, until you mentioned the RR, I was going to say, "Stop trying to fight fatties toe to toe." But I think I actually agree with you about heavies with light weapons. There are exactly three Rifle Fatties I respect. Ryno, Dust Fiend and Kagehoshi. The rest are scrubs making up for sucking in my book. But here's the thing: They suck! There a million ways to kill players who suck! Straight-up slug-fests you'll lose to be sure, but flank them, RE them, grenade them, and they die like the rest of us fat asses. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:23:00 - [86] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: It's just fricken stupid. I tried it myself once. Equipped a tanked fatsuit with a Kaalakota RR. I was able to easily withstand three guys at once wearing normal suits at long range and picked them off one by one without much trouble. Okay, until you mentioned the RR, I was going to say, "Stop trying to fight fatties toe to toe." But I think I actually agree with you about heavies with light weapons. There are exactly three Rifle Fatties I respect. Ryno, Dust Fiend and Kagehoshi. The rest are scrubs making up for sucking in my book. But here's the thing: They suck! There a million ways to kill players who suck! Straight-up slug-fests you'll lose to be sure, but flank them, RE them, grenade them, and they die like the rest of us fat asses. Flanking them does normally work, until you're around an objective while trying to kill one you got a flank on and one to two more spawn in with the exact same fitting as the guy you're trying to kill. Or another favorite one of mine is they spawn in up on a roof and just go behind the edge when their shields go down or stay and keep hitting you because they'll automatically outlast you in armor. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Michael Pack Inexorabilis Industries 12	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:27:00 - [87] - Quote okay, first thing is you're approaching them wrong. the HMG is basically a Gatling gun with a wide dispersion rate. with a shot gun you are almost worthless against an HMG and that's exactly how is should be. to kill a heavy with an HMG u must us range, get far enough away for his HMG"s dispersion rate to hinder him from killing you. the most applicable weapon for the job of killing a heavy will be a longer range weapon with somewhat high precision most light automatic weapons will fill this role nicely. the problem with a lot of people on this game is they pick a suit and weapon and then think they should be able to kill everyone in this game and that's just stupid. this isn't COD or Battlefield if you want those games go play them.
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 504	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:51:00 - [88] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Vegetation Monster wrote: It's not even heavies, it's those god dam HMG's!! CCP buffed them and they better than they were in chromosome now. Now it's just heavy spam 514 especially in freking gallante facility. You know what else is stupid, the fact that they can sneak up on my gallante scout suit. Why does passive scanning suck so god damn much? Nerf HMG back to 2000 rof and reduce range by like 10 more percent so heavies have a reason to actually use the assault HMG. This heavy bullsh*t has gone on for too long. The extra Rof makes them OP imo (HMG). The heavies suits are fine, idc for them having rifles. At least they don't kill my scout in like .000000000000000000000001 seconds. it only takes them .0000000000000000000002. Also, wtf is up with these god dam heavies strafing like scouts? WTFFF? its so annoying trying to kill them in close range with SG especially cuz they stafe like MOFOS! And yes Re's are good I am a tanker (not really, i dont even use my complex tanks) , heavy, DS pilot, scout gallante and minmitar, proto amarr assault, Proto FG, Proto RR, proto CR, proto Duvolle. And I support nerfing heavies and tanks. (not really heavies, more like the HMGs) EDIT: OR NERF SPIN SPEED!!! You are not meant to take on HMG heavies at close range lol. You fight them outside of their own range or you sneak up and do terrible things like shotgun them or plant remote explosives all over the shop. I'm getting tired of this communities readiness to call one thing or another OP yet not ever actually discuss balance as a whole. People conveniently forget one detail or another. Think about all angles of a weapon / roles behaviour, stop having tunnel vision on one single aspect of something. How about we compare data, how about we discuss roles? I SG but they turn fast enough to rip me to shreads. IDK, be the leaf? Thr33 is the magic number.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7159	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:52:00 - [89] - Quote Michael Pack wrote: okay, first thing is you're approaching them wrong. the HMG is basically a Gatling gun with a wide dispersion rate. with a shot gun you are almost worthless against an HMG and that's exactly how is should be. to kill a heavy with an HMG u must us range, get far enough away for his HMG"s dispersion rate to hinder him from killing you. the most applicable weapon for the job of killing a heavy will be a longer range weapon with somewhat high precision most light automatic weapons will fill this role nicely. the problem with a lot of people on this game is they pick a suit and weapon and then think they should be able to kill everyone in this game and that's just stupid. this isn't COD or Battlefield if you want those games go play them. The alternative to keeping range if you don't have ranged weapons is to sneak up behind them and catch them while they are distracted. If you catch them while they are distracted with someone else they will likely not notice the damage coming from somewhere else. Even if my Ishukone knives were to fail to kill on the first charged hit, I can easily finished them off with a quick slash before they can turn around or run off. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
neausea 1987 R 0 N 1 N 56	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:14:00 - [90] - Quote why do people cry about the hmg i dont know if ya noticed but its a chaingun lol last time i checked those ripped basically everything to shreds EVERYTHING!!!!!!. i run scout so dying is something i know well (LOW EHP) and i see no problem with the HMG. if you dont like it stay the f*k away from it nobody is going to call you a btch just tell em' hey guys my sucsess with fat suits is not good, then proceed to another point. i check into threads like these to try and find valid points and always see QQ this or nerf that i dunno may i just find a way around these problems and am blind to these needed corrections or maybe people are just stupid and keep charging headfirst into the meat grinder. my suggestion work around it or quit th game and give me your isk. (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ throws remote explosive and runs to the flank, the RE" was just a decoy



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