I agree with most of your predictions tbh, but I find this one baffling.
You can get a comfortable 600 armour HP on a Caldari heavy and the shields start regenerating instantly after a flux.
They won't kill you instantly. They'll do damage, but they won't guarantee a death, not by a long shot.

Wonderful, time for dmg mods, energizers (ahahahah 80hp/s recharge) and regulators.

If you fit a Cal Heavy as a pure shield tank it really hurts. Even if fluxed, it starts to to recharge the shield at 100+ HP/sec after 0.78 sec. Eventually could be killed by other heavies; it's hard to say if the Scrambler rifle actually do enough damage to negate the shield recharge before it overheats. Cal Heavy could be a beast.

If you fit a Cal Heavy as a pure shield tank it really hurts. Even if fluxed, it starts to to recharge the shield at 100+ HP/sec after 0.78 sec. Eventually could be killed by other heavies; it's hard to say if the Scrambler rifle actually do enough damage to negate the shield recharge before it overheats. Cal Heavy could be a beast.

Example:

Rail (+10% against armor) weapon does 100 damage. Target has a 10% armor resistance to rail weapons. For this scenario, we'll say the target has 0 shields.

Damage done by weapon: 100 x 1.1 = 110.
Damage done when it hits the target: 110 x 0.9 = 99.
The weapon ends up doing only 99% of its original damage, meaning that the target still gets a 1% resistance, even though it's resistance percentage equaled the bonus against it.

Dropsuits aren't vehicles, they don't have a "damage threshold" for shield recharge under fire. You could flux them and then hit them for 1 damage every half a second and the shields won't recharge.

There's a slight rounding error in your post it's .909090 repeating not .9

110 x (1/1.1) = 100%

The .9 was from 90%, aka a -10% damage reduction. I have never seen anyone do 1 divided by 110% to apply a 10% damage reduction.

I remain confident in my original post.

The damage bonus is applied to the incoming damage and the resist to the shield/armor.

x*a = y*b

y = x*a/b or y = x*a*1/b

No idea what kind of funky math you are trying to post here but arx is definitely correct.

No idea what kind of funky math you are trying to post here but arx is definitely correct.

The damage bonus is applied to the incoming damage and the resist to the shield/armor.

x*a = y*b

y = x*a/b or y = x*a*1/b

What are your variables? Also, I don't know why you have the two sides equal.

Damage applied (X) = [Weapon damage(d) x weapon bonus (b)] x Resist(r)

or

X = (db)r

What are your variables? Also, I don't know why you have the two sides equal.

Damage applied (X) = [Weapon damage(d) x weapon bonus (b)] x Resist(r)

or

X = (db)r

guys its irrelevent, ive posted the explanation on how damage reduction is calculated, ive tested it extensivly int he past back when there was a debate how resistance worked on tanks and know 100% first hand how it works in dust.

i also simplified out so that an idiot could understand it and did so without having to post mathmatical formulas, your all putting in alot of effort when its obvious that 10% of 110 is in fact 11, and so 100 damage turns into 99 after a 10% bonus and a 10% reduction are applyed.

Rule of Conservation. In = Out

weapon damage (x) * weapon bonus (a) = health value (y) * resist (b)

rearrange to for

weapon damage needed to kill ______:

x = y*b/a

or for how much damage from ______ weapon can given hp sustain:

y = x*a/b

Which is what I said in my original reminder, yes. I was just trying to help Asha understand. The original post was about EHP, though, so talk of resistances isn't irrelevant.

I am curious as to how much (%) damage from each type is going to be applied to a fully skilled Gal Sentinel. Unfortuantely, the web filter at my work blocks CCP's images on the upcoming changes, so I can't do it myself at the moment.

Rule of Conservation. In = Out

weapon damage (x) * weapon bonus (a) = health value (y) * resist (b)

rearrange to for

weapon damage needed to kill ______:

x = y*b/a

or for how much damage from ______ weapon can given hp sustain:

y = x*a/b

15% reduction against rail weaponry (armor only)
10% reduction against projectile (armor only)
25% redection against splash (armor and shields)

90% damage from explosive splash damage (would a direct hit from an MD or Flaylock deal the full 120%?)


Scary indeed. Nothing will do full damage against it's main tank, unless direct hits from explosive weapons are excluded from the splash reduction (which you think they would).

this my friend, makes you my hero for the day, i hadnt even though of that yet.

this makes a case for MD/Flaylock becuase the gal is going to be REALLY slow... and so flaylocks and breach massdrivers are going to be able to hit their mark quite easily in this case and end up doing insane damage.

Does this make up for the semi-hijack?

Well there's your problem, Asha. You're not looking for the damage done, but the damage needed. There's a difference.

except that your weapon will do the exact same damage reguardless of how much HP the target has.... meaning "health value" should in no way EVER be in your equation.

tested and proven personally, your calculating somethign that doesnt exsist in the game.

Fair enough, but I calc how it's stated.



What does that even mean? The target will only ever see the damage equivalent to their hp. For example, you instantaneously deal 900pts of pure damage to a target with 600 total ehp, they will only see 600damage, the point at which their health drops to 0. The remaining 300pts goes into a corpse. Health will always equal damage taken. About your tests IIRC 'in-game' decimals are not displayed so without pulling the real-time data straight from the system memory the best you can do is an approximation on how it is handled not a definitive conclusion.

The target will only ever see the damage equivalent to their hp. For example, you instantaneously deal 900pts of pure damage to a target with 600 total ehp, they will only see 600damage, the point at which their health drops to 0. The remaining 300pts goes into a corpse. Health will always equal damage taken.

So the Gallente Sentinel will take:
80% damage from laser weapons
90% damage from explosive splash damage (would a direct hit from an MD or Flaylock deal the full 120%?)
93.5% damage from Rail weaponry
99% damage from Projectile weaponry.

Scary indeed. Nothing will do full damage against it's main tank, unless direct hits from explosive weapons are excluded from the splash reduction (which you think they would). So maybe the best counter to a Gal Sentinel will be a marksman with an MD.

Edit: Ghosts, I would add this resistance profile to your OP to better help your point.

The problem with your method is when we calculate damage done that is less than the total HP of the target. Take 200 points of damage into a 600 ehp target, for example.

Weapon damage (x): 200
Weapon bonus (a): 10% (110% total)
Resist (b): 10%
Total target health (y): 600
Plugged into your equation of x*a=y*b, we get 200(1.1) = 600b, with b needing to be .3666...(etc). Does that sound correct? No, because your equation is for damage needed to kill, not damage done by single shot.

Like Ghosts said, your math is correct, but you're tying to find a different value.

with this and the new stats in mind heavys are going to be absolute monsters in 1.8 with insane amounts of EHP even while using basic suits while fully skilled.

commandos (aka heavy assault) are going to overshadow traditional assault suits and logis are going to actually be logis.

scouts are going to be.... dieing alot and killing alot but then again scouts have never really been all that concerned with KDR.

mass drivers are going to be crap against the heavy spam and OP against everything else.

winmatar assaults are going to also suffer from that splash damage reduction.

caldari heavys are going to learn very quickly that fluxes kill as they cant get enough armor to survive one like their assault and logi brotheren.

gallante heavys are going to scare the **** out of people and will be FOTM since they are going to be running around with over 1000 armor and damage resistance against anything thats actually good at countering that (unlike the caldari version)

1.8 FOTM

gallante heavy
flux nades
caldari/gal scout
HMGs
minmatar commandos with CR and MDs

special mention, logis are going to absolutly LOVE 1.8 as it will be VERY armor heavy and there will be LOADS of people to rep and give ammo to that cant bring ammo themselves.

Winmatar logi