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Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3635	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:10:00 - [1] - Quote This is going to tie in with FW and is going to be tough to explain but here's my crack at it. Ok, in EVE you must enlist in the factional army you wish to fight for - there is no "fighting for whichever faction you feel like when you feel like" per se UNLESS you enroll in a different factional army. Currently in DUST there is no system like that, you can just fight for whoever, yes it hurts your standings, but you can still fight for whoever. First off, I would like to see this change where either a CEO of a corporation can enroll their corporation into the factional army of their choosing or a player can forego their corporation to join the factional army of their choosing. Example time - Praetoriani Classiarii Templares can be enrolled into the 24th Imperial Crusade therefore making all of its members members of the Amarrian Factional Warfare Militia. Or let's say you're in Fatal Absolution, but you want to fight for the Caldari Factional Warfare Militia, you can enlist in the State Peacekeepers, but your corp now changes to the State Peacekeepers - you forego your corp. This change would be a bit of a discouragement from "Faction Hopping" and would encourage going "all in" for your faction of choice. My second idea will only work if the first idea is put into place. If players/corporations are enrolled in the militia of their choosing, there would then be highsec ramifications akin to EVE. In a public match on a planet/district owned by the enemy of the militia in which you are enrolled, enemy controlled installations will auto attack you (IE you automatically draw aggro). Example time - PCT (not spelling it out this time) are enrolled with the 24th Imperial Crusade and we go into a pub match. That pub match happens to be on a Minmatar controlled planet in highsec on a Minmatar controlled district. Any installation on that planet will auto attack us (unless destroyed or hacked by us) because we are perceived as the enemy invading their sovereign soil. This will be akin to the warning that you receive in EVE when entering your enemy's highsec space. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10151	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:20:00 - [2] - Quote So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3636	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:23:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6934	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:34:00 - [4] - Quote The reason CCP doesn't want to do idea 1 is because they don't want to create situations where you can't play with your friends, but that is the whole point of having Public Contracts and Planetary Conquest. Second idea sounds good as well. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6934	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:37:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. a) Convince FA to enroll in preferred racial militia b) FA enrolls in another militia and you can get your loyalty goods from the player market c) FA enrolls in another militia so you choose to leave for a corp that is enrolled in preferred racial militia d) FA enrolls in another militia, so you join a different corp to participate in your preferred racial militia but can still be dragged into FA's PC matches and still receive payments from FA. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7700	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote I support any movement to bring the EVE side model of FW over to Dust 514. Sign up to a specific Militia, and fight for that Militia. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3639	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:40:00 - [7] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The reason CCP doesn't want to do idea 1 is because they don't want to create situations where you can't play with your friends, but that is the whole point of having Public Contracts and Planetary Conquest. Second idea sounds good as well. Exactly my point. That is the whole idea behind Public Contracts and PC, allowing people to play with their friends. IMO FW should be a totally different ball game because it is optional and is for those who actually give a damn about the faction we chose. CCP using the excuse that because they want everyone to be able to play with their friends is a rather weak one because as you noted Aero, Pub Matches and PC exist. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2886	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:41:00 - [8] - Quote Open market needs to be rolled out first so if you use Amarr gear but your corp fights for caldari you can sell the caldari gear and buy Amarr. That is how EVE works. Right now it will be silly to say a 100-500 Member corp you will all fight for this faction which gives rewards you most likely have no need for, because not everyone in the corp will use caldari items if you fight for caldari. I use to fight for Gallente in EVE but i used Amarr spaceships so i sold my gallente FW items on the market and bought amarr stuff. Templar BPO(350Mil) EVE Pilot I feed off your tears
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 601	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:41:00 - [9] - Quote So would the entire corp share a standings stat? Example- As members of said corp do battles for its faction, it gets its own "standings". The corps standings could add a multiplier to its members lp payout per level. Say .25 or more per level? (so at level 10 you get 2.5x the payout of someone who is on there own. Who says you can't kill in style? When CCP plays Dust514
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3639	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:43:00 - [10] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Open market needs to be rolled out first so if you use Amarr gear but your corp fights for caldari you can sell the caldari gear and buy Amarr. That is how EVE works. Right now it will be silly to say a 100-500 Member corp you will all fight for this faction which gives rewards you most likely have no need for. I use to fight for Gallente in EVE but i used Amarr spaceships so i sold my gallente FW items on the market and bought amarr stuff. My point exactly - along with open market, this idea I feel would bring about a positive change for FW and DUST in general, not only will your run of the mill pub match be more exciting due to the turrets auto attacking enemy factions, but we all would also see the economy develop and the ISK flow. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6934	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:46:00 - [11] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Open market needs to be rolled out first so if you use Amarr gear but your corp fights for caldari you can sell the caldari gear and buy Amarr. That is how EVE works. Right now it will be silly to say a 100-500 Member corp you will all fight for this faction which gives rewards you most likely have no need for, because not everyone in the corp will use caldari items if you fight for caldari. I use to fight for Gallente in EVE but i used Amarr spaceships so i sold my gallente FW items on the market and bought amarr stuff. Absolutely Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5143	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:52:00 - [12] - Quote So basically if someone fights for the Minmatar, but the corp fights for a different faction the person's only options would be to betray their faction, or leave their corporation? I have a better idea. How about we implement XANDER's idea instead. That way you aren't forced to leave the corp or betray your faction, but actually have an incentive to fight with your corporation's faction. And no, "because that's how it is in EVE" is not a valid argument. This is a First Person Shooter, while EVE Online is a Space-Simulator MMO. Because of them belonging to different genres, you cannot expect every mechanic you see in EVE to work DUST side. Furthermore, what would be the point? This offers no statistical advantage, and would only serve to force people to either leave their corporation, or betray their faction. Additionally, "Because EVE" won't fly when your trying to convince people to do something, especially something that would put most players at an incredible disadvantage, while only serving to benefit a few people. TL:DR? No. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10156	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:55:00 - [13] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. Do you seriously want to kill off the FW playerbase even further? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7703	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:59:00 - [14] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. Do you seriously want to kill off the FW playerbase even further? There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5143	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:05:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions. Loyalty is never something that should be referenced in New Eden. Anyways, and what about those who do have loyalty? I can guarantee that very few people would agree with something that forces them to either leave their corp, or betray their faction. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10156	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:07:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. Do you seriously want to kill off the FW playerbase even further? There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions. Okay. Well, you restrict that to a small handful of people and see how it evolves. Why, instead of 5-10 minute waits you might even get to 30 mins! You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7706	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:09:00 - [17] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. Do you seriously want to kill off the FW playerbase even further? There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions. Okay. Well, you restrict that to a small handful of people and see how it evolves. Why, instead of 5-10 minute waits you might even get to 30 mins! I'm not saying that's perhaps the correct course......but something has to be done.....its unbalancing enough as is, and some how, either through pure grit or experience despite the broken mess of fw ad negative modifiers from Dust Amarr FW eve side has endured........ I wish I knew how they were doing it. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3643	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:11:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions. Loyalty is never something that should be referenced in New Eden. Anyways, and what about those who do have loyalty? I can guarantee that very few people would agree with something that forces them to either leave their corp, or betray their faction. Do you really see people in EVE whining and moaning that "boo hoo, my corp is enrolled in Gallente FW, but I wanna do Caldari! boo hoo boo hoo" - yeah if there is a conflict of interest like that, they simply leave. So far there are ZERO consequences for your actions in DUST - currently you can fight for Minmatar, then a match later fight for Amarr if you desire, it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. The moment I think of an idea that more or less forces people to make an actual choice, people immediately shut it down and go into a tizzy. Hell, even the faction you choice in this game makes no difference besides your MQ and dropsuit appearance. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 319	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:12:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions. Loyalty is never something that should be referenced in New Eden. Anyways, and what about those who do have loyalty? I can guarantee that very few people would agree with something that forces them to either leave their corp, or betray their faction. The bigger the corp, the harder this gets. All this would do is cause Alliances to set up Faction Corps under the Alliance. Meh, I could take this idea or leave it. I'm not super up on the know how, and my EVE players are unavailable, but, it is just corps that decide who you can fight for, not alliances, right? xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7706	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:14:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions. Loyalty is never something that should be referenced in New Eden. Anyways, and what about those who do have loyalty? I can guarantee that very few people would agree with something that forces them to either leave their corp, or betray their faction. Tell that to the 10 years of Amarr FW PIE Inc has put into New Eden. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10160	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:15:00 - [21] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Okay. Well, you restrict that to a small handful of people and see how it evolves. Why, instead of 5-10 minute waits you might even get to 30 mins! I'm not saying that's perhaps the correct course......but something has to be done.....its unbalancing enough as is, and some how, either through pure grit or experience despite the broken mess of fw ad negative modifiers from Dust Amarr FW eve side has endured........ I wish I knew how they were doing it. Iteration is needed on FW, yes. This is not the way to do it. What are you expecting this change will achieve? It'll remove most casual FW players from FW, leaving a tiny group of FW nuts. That is all it would do. It would not make FW more fulfilling or rewarding. It would just bump up the queue times massively. I get the strong impression that you are disgruntled with the Amarr losing and as a result you want to restrict it to just your small FW groups. Hey, maybe that might have a -slight- effect on balance (although people are likely to just enlist with the currently winning factions, if they enlist at all) but it'd come at the cost of a massive queue time for very little gain. Is that really what you want? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 405	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:18:00 - [22] - Quote This is actually a good idea, even though a lot of people won't like it. It makes FW much more serious, and might just might keep the noobs out of it unless they are fully committed noobs. How does it work in EVE when someone wants to change factions? Is their a certain amount of time they have to wait before they can switch to another faction after they leave? After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7708	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:19:00 - [23] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Okay. Well, you restrict that to a small handful of people and see how it evolves. Why, instead of 5-10 minute waits you might even get to 30 mins! I'm not saying that's perhaps the correct course......but something has to be done.....its unbalancing enough as is, and some how, either through pure grit or experience despite the broken mess of fw ad negative modifiers from Dust Amarr FW eve side has endured........ I wish I knew how they were doing it. Iteration is needed on FW, yes. This is not the way to do it. What are you expecting this change will achieve? It'll remove most casual FW players from FW, leaving a tiny group of FW nuts. That is all it would do. It would not make FW more fulfilling or rewarding. It would just bump up the queue times massively. I get the strong impression that you are disgruntled with the Amarr losing and as a result you want to restrict it to just your small FW groups. Hey, maybe that might have a -slight- effect on balance (although people are likely to just enlist with the currently winning factions, if they enlist at all) but it'd come at the cost of a massive queue time for very little gain. Is that really what you want? Is Dust Scussions still an active channel on Skype for discussion? Perhaps this weekend we could get some of the FW minded players and knowledgeable eve players to chew the fat on this? Skype is a far better forum for discussion than Dust 514 forum. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2083	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:20:00 - [24] - Quote Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6941	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:21:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically if someone fights for the Minmatar, but the corp fights for a different faction the person's only options would be to betray their faction, or leave their corporation? I have a better idea. How about we implement XANDER's idea instead. That way you aren't forced to leave the corp or betray your faction, but actually have an incentive to fight with your corporation's faction. And no, "because that's how it is in EVE" is not a valid argument. This is a First Person Shooter, while EVE Online is a Space-Simulator MMO. Because of them belonging to different genres, you cannot expect every mechanic you see in EVE to work DUST side. Furthermore, what would be the point? This offers no statistical advantage, and would only serve to force people to either leave their corporation, or betray their faction. Additionally, "Because EVE" won't fly when your trying to convince people to do something, especially something that would put most players at an incredible disadvantage, while only serving to benefit a few people. TL:DR? No. You aren't thinking this through very much. There are far more options than betray your faction or betray your corporation. If for instance you want to fight Gallente FW for their gear but your corp does Caldari FW, you can simply play Caldari FW with your corp and see the Gallente goods you acquire through LP in exchange for ISK that you can use to purchase the Caldari gear you want. Yes this assumes an open player market which should come eventually. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6941	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:22:00 - [26] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. Don't all factions pay you the same, though? Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7708	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:24:00 - [27] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5143	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:27:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. You mean put all the loyalists in the same corp, because individuality and choice be damned. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10160	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:27:00 - [29] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. Uh-huh. And watch it stagnate even further and die because there aren't enough of you. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6943	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:29:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. You mean put all the loyalists in the same corp, because individuality and choice be damned. Same militia (because you are fighting for the same thing as everyone else who selects to fight for that same faction as you). There will still be a wide array of different corporations. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!

Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2054	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:29:00 - [31] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions. Loyalty is never something that should be referenced in New Eden. Anyways, and what about those who do have loyalty? I can guarantee that very few people would agree with something that forces them to either leave their corp, or betray their faction. Do you really see people in EVE whining and moaning that "boo hoo, my corp is enrolled in Gallente FW, but I wanna do Caldari! boo hoo boo hoo" - yeah if there is a conflict of interest like that, they simply leave. So far there are ZERO consequences for your actions in DUST - currently you can fight for Minmatar, then a match later fight for Amarr if you desire, it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. The moment I think of an idea that more or less forces people to make an actual choice, people immediately shut it down and go into a tizzy. Hell, even the faction you choice in this game makes no difference besides your MQ and dropsuit appearance. Yeaa dude but in Eve you can put on your imaginary hat a pretend to be whoever combat,industrialist,explorer,ect ect in Dust its just "Hey your a mercenary, shoot stuff, make money" one objective thats it. I would rather it be a personal choice of providing your loyalty to a fraction. "But we have been blessed"
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6943	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:31:00 - [32] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. Uh-huh. And watch it stagnate even further and die because there aren't enough of you. There are plenty of people who would choose to specifically fight for one faction in FW and no others (barring the inconvenience of switching militias). You don't have to be some RP guy apart of an RP corp. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7711	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:34:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. You mean put all the loyalists in the same corp, because individuality and choice be damned. No I mean to say make FW what it is in EVE. A Commitment of time and effort within a specific set of established rules, with the goal to be achieved as you see fit. If you fight Amarr to Lvl X you should not be able to fight for the Minmatar until you regain their trust. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1832	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:36:00 - [34] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. We could do something like this when we have more to do than just Public Contracts, FW or PC. At the current point it would basically force every Corp to enroll in FW. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6949	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:39:00 - [35] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. We could do something like this when we have more to do than just Public Contracts, FW or PC. At the current point it would basically force every Corp to enroll in FW. Or play Pubs and PC, no one is forcing anyone to play FW. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10161	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:40:00 - [36] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. Uh-huh. And watch it stagnate even further and die because there aren't enough of you. There are plenty of people who would choose to specifically fight for one faction in FW and no others (barring the inconvenience of switching militias). You don't have to be some RP guy apart of an RP corp. You may think there are plenty of people, but there will not be enough. We already have a small FW playerbase. Although that's in part due to it being a terribly designed gamemode, this change does nothing to change that. Literally all it is doing is restricting the playerbase further. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 407	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:40:00 - [37] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. We could do something like this when we have more to do than just Public Contracts, FW or PC. At the current point it would basically force every Corp to enroll in FW. agreed for now it may not work especially with the next two months being the rise of this game or the end of it. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1833	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:48:00 - [38] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. We could do something like this when we have more to do than just Public Contracts, FW or PC. At the current point it would basically force every Corp to enroll in FW. Or play Pubs and PC, no one is forcing anyone to play FW. It seems a little bit radical to not play one of 3 modes we have available, especially considering not many people play PC. We don't have enough to do currently. Especially considering that this would lock people out from the only mode that is connected to Eve Online and is available to everybody. This wouldn't be good for new players. They might start the game, join a corp somebody recommended them and then they want to do FW only to hear "Sorry. We're not doing this." Later, when we have more game modes and so on it could be a nice idea. But currently not so much. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3644	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:50:00 - [39] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. We could do something like this when we have more to do than just Public Contracts, FW or PC. At the current point it would basically force every Corp to enroll in FW. As in EVE, it is optional for a corp to enroll in a militia - no one would be forced at all. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6951	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:52:00 - [40] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: We could do something like this when we have more to do than just Public Contracts, FW or PC. At the current point it would basically force every Corp to enroll in FW. Or play Pubs and PC, no one is forcing anyone to play FW. It seems a little bit radical to not play one of 3 modes we have available, especially considering not many people play PC. We don't have enough to do currently. Especially considering that this would lock people out from the only mode that is connected to Eve Online and is available to everybody. This wouldn't be good for new players. They might start the game, join a corp somebody recommended them and then they want to do FW only to hear "Sorry. We're not doing this." Later, when we have more game modes and so on it could be a nice idea. But currently not so much. It also seems a bit radical that you would force everyone in Dust 514 to be mercenaries. What does FW offer you that the other modes don't? It is still just your basic skirmish at the end of the day. Let FW be a place to be loyalists and Pubs/PC a place to be mercenaries (and of course you can be both!) Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10161	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:54:00 - [41] - Quote To be clear - I am not against permanence in choosing a faction, and more consequences. I am, however, strongly against this particular way of doing it, as it would butcher the playerbase. Here's what I posted to Aisha on Skype: As mercenaries, I would like to suggest a more personal system. Essentially, you sign a contract with one faction - that is, you, personally - and agree to fight for them. That locks out the opposing faction. If you want to break the contract, you lose your LP and get your standings completely reset. Also, standings should be able to go negative so if you switch sides you deal with a significantly reduced LP payout for a while. That gives choosing a faction permanence and consequences, while not throttling the playerbase. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3644	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:54:00 - [42] - Quote Quote: It seems a little bit radical to not play one of 3 modes we have available, especially considering not many people play PC. We don't have enough to do currently. Especially considering that this would lock people out from the only mode that is connected to Eve Online and is available to everybody. This wouldn't be good for new players. They might start the game, join a corp somebody recommended them and then they want to do FW only to hear "Sorry. We're not doing this." Later, when we have more game modes and so on it could be a nice idea. But currently not so much. with the next two months being the rise of this game or the end of it.{/quote] I can assure you this is not true. The game won't die in 2 months. It does rather well for a F2P game currently. It probably won't make a big breakthrough easily now, but neither will it suddenly lose all players. I'm sure if this were implemented then several "FW Only" corps would crop up for the four factions as there are in EVE. Say you join a corp and later you decide you want to do Min FW, you inquire to the corp and they say we aren't interested in FW - I'm sure there would be a Min FW corp to join. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7713	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:56:00 - [43] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: We could do something like this when we have more to do than just Public Contracts, FW or PC. At the current point it would basically force every Corp to enroll in FW. Or play Pubs and PC, no one is forcing anyone to play FW. It seems a little bit radical to not play one of 3 modes we have available, especially considering not many people play PC. We don't have enough to do currently. Especially considering that this would lock people out from the only mode that is connected to Eve Online and is available to everybody. This wouldn't be good for new players. They might start the game, join a corp somebody recommended them and then they want to do FW only to hear "Sorry. We're not doing this." Later, when we have more game modes and so on it could be a nice idea. But currently not so much. It also seems a bit radical that you would force everyone in Dust 514 to be mercenaries. What does FW offer you that the other modes don't? It is still just your basic skirmish at the end of the day. Let FW be a place to be loyalists and Pubs/PC a place to be mercenaries (and of course you can be both!) Perhaps not leaving corps...but definitely a threshold where players who have fought for one faction cannot enter the others. The higher tiers giving players the worthwhile bonuses...however players can roll around at low loyalty levels receiving small amounts of LP and content items, wheras those who reach the higher, more deciated and race specific levels receive large bonuses to their factions LP gain. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 408	Posted - 2014.02.27 23:15:00 - [44] - Quote @ Aikuchi Tomaru Well if CCP fails in the 1.8 update and fan fest then ya everyone won't leave right away. But it will happen slowly and surely and much faster once Destiny is out. BUT if CCP succeeds then the game will live on with it's current population and players that stopped playing months ago but are keeping up with the news and updates of dust may come back. Right now it just seems that at Fanfest CCP shows the great things for their products and well Dust needs more than decorations (new suits, new weapons and vehicles) to keep it going. Most of us here are for that MMO-FPS with that link to EVE. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 304	Posted - 2014.02.27 23:46:00 - [45] - Quote Im a merc I go where the isk is. Don't see why I should be limited to one faction. Even more so when you consider the size of the player base ATM theses changes could be the final nail in the fw coffin. my name is boba and im a hoarder.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2086	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:15:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. Why? Entrepreneurs can make Money from FW its meant to be an extension of the game not a baby PC.I shouldn't have to lock in, they shouldmpay me handsomely for coming back, I do not need them but they need me. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7732	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:19:00 - [47] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. Why? Entrepreneurs can make Money from FW its meant to be an extension of the game not a baby PC.I shouldn't have to lock in, they shouldmpay me handsomely for coming back, I do not need them but they need me. Indeed but realistically speaking no faction would hire you knowing you are going to betray them, nor would they offer you the same rewards as a soldier who has supported them unflinchingly for months. Logically the empire should already be rewarding me several times more than a scumbag mercenary would received. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 410	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:18:00 - [48] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best. Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck. No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. Why? Entrepreneurs can make Money from FW its meant to be an extension of the game not a baby PC.I shouldn't have to lock in, they shouldmpay me handsomely for coming back, I do not need them but they need me. Indeed but realistically speaking no faction would hire you knowing you are going to betray them, nor would they offer you the same rewards as a soldier who has supported them unflinchingly for months. Logically the empire should already be rewarding me several times more than a scumbag mercenary would received. Indeed there needs to be more of a consequence for fighting for a faction that you just fought against other than losing LP for who you fought against. And better rewards for those that have been fighting for those who've been fighting for a faction for a very very long time. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Atiim Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 5145	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:26:00 - [49] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: You aren't thinking this through very much. There are far more options than betray your faction or betray your corporation. If for instance you want to fight Gallente FW for their gear but your corp does Caldari FW, you can simply play Caldari FW with your corp and see the Gallente goods you acquire through LP in exchange for ISK that you can use to purchase the Caldari gear you want. Yes this assumes an open player market which should come eventually. So basically I am allied with the Gallente, yet playing for the Caldari? Please tell me how that isn't betraying my faction. I know what the point of this idea is (to prevent Faction hopping), but there are better ways of going about this. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 5145	Posted - 2014.02.28 01:46:00 - [50] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sure if this were implemented then several "FW Only" corps would crop up for the four factions as there are in EVE. Say you join a corp and later you decide you want to do Min FW, you inquire to the corp and they say we aren't interested in FW - I'm sure there would be a Min FW corp to join. So if someone wants to fight for a faction other than what their corporation is fighting for, they have to scrap everything in their corp and join a "FW Only" corp? In what remote world does that sound plausible? Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6962	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:11:00 - [51] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sure if this were implemented then several "FW Only" corps would crop up for the four factions as there are in EVE. Say you join a corp and later you decide you want to do Min FW, you inquire to the corp and they say we aren't interested in FW - I'm sure there would be a Min FW corp to join. So if someone wants to fight for a faction other than what their corporation is fighting for, they have to scrap everything in their corp and join a "FW Only" corp? In what remote world does that sound plausible? You don't have to join a "FW Only" corp, you'd have to join a corp that is aligned with the proper militia in FW. That corp can still do PC and everything else. You really shouldn't be fighting for a side in FW that your whole corporation isn't, it just doesn't make sense. If you want to fight for say Gallente to get the Gallente loyalty items but your corporation is aligned with Caldari, then fight for Caldari with your corp, sell the Caldari loyalty items, and buy the Gallente loyalty items. If you want to fight for Gallente because you like them in lore or for whatever reason then you'd already be in a corporation that is aligned for Gallente in this example. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7740	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:39:00 - [52] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sure if this were implemented then several "FW Only" corps would crop up for the four factions as there are in EVE. Say you join a corp and later you decide you want to do Min FW, you inquire to the corp and they say we aren't interested in FW - I'm sure there would be a Min FW corp to join. So if someone wants to fight for a faction other than what their corporation is fighting for, they have to scrap everything in their corp and join a "FW Only" corp? In what remote world does that sound plausible? New Eden..... "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 411	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:45:00 - [53] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sure if this were implemented then several "FW Only" corps would crop up for the four factions as there are in EVE. Say you join a corp and later you decide you want to do Min FW, you inquire to the corp and they say we aren't interested in FW - I'm sure there would be a Min FW corp to join. So if someone wants to fight for a faction other than what their corporation is fighting for, they have to scrap everything in their corp and join a "FW Only" corp? In what remote world does that sound plausible? New Eden..... Lol yup New Eden, there is no being fair in New Eden After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Patrick57 5574	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:53:00 - [54] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. We could stick to steamrolling pubs with CatDog :D I go negative in PC, yay
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 411	Posted - 2014.02.28 02:54:00 - [55] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. We could stick to steamrolling pubs with CatDog :D Yup the good old boring/dull battles we've been stuck with for way too long. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Atiim Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 5147	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:41:00 - [56] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tell that to the 10 years of Amarr FW PIE Inc has put into New Eden. Considering how you, Aero, and Aisha left PIE at one point in time; as well as abandoning your own project (Scions of Athra), I'd be happy to do so. If only they'd let me send mail to other alliances. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1742	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:45:00 - [57] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I support any movement to bring the EVE side model of FW over to Dust 514. Sign up to a specific Militia, and fight for that Militia. Agreed, us pilots have to choose if who we fight for and so should mercs. The whole choices have consequences thing does not carry over for DUST FW. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Atiim Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 5147	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:56:00 - [58] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: You don't have to join a "FW Only" corp, you'd have to join a corp that is aligned with the proper militia in FW. That corp can still do PC and everything else. You really shouldn't be fighting for a side in FW that your whole corporation isn't, it just doesn't make sense. If you want to fight for say Gallente to get the Gallente loyalty items but your corporation is aligned with Caldari, then fight for Caldari with your corp, sell the Caldari loyalty items, and buy the Gallente loyalty items. If you want to fight for Gallente because you like them in lore or for whatever reason then you'd already be in a corporation that is aligned for Gallente in this example. So under this, my options would be: 1. Fight for my enemy, and purchase my allies clothing. (Which is betraying your faction) 2. Scrap everything and leave my corp for an entirely new one, regardless of position in said corp (Which is betraying your corp) Also, I don't really see how this would change anything. Under your model, If the corp picks a faction other than mine, I would leave my corp. So obviously my corp wouldn't mean anything, so what would stop me from corp hopping when I want to choose a different faction? Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3649	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:38:00 - [59] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: You don't have to join a "FW Only" corp, you'd have to join a corp that is aligned with the proper militia in FW. That corp can still do PC and everything else. You really shouldn't be fighting for a side in FW that your whole corporation isn't, it just doesn't make sense. If you want to fight for say Gallente to get the Gallente loyalty items but your corporation is aligned with Caldari, then fight for Caldari with your corp, sell the Caldari loyalty items, and buy the Gallente loyalty items. If you want to fight for Gallente because you like them in lore or for whatever reason then you'd already be in a corporation that is aligned for Gallente in this example. So under this, my options would be: 1. Fight for my enemy, and purchase my allies clothing. (Which is betraying your faction) 2. Scrap everything and leave my corp for an entirely new one, regardless of position in said corp (Which is betraying your corp) Also, I don't really see how this would change anything. Under your model, If the corp picks a faction other than mine, I would leave my corp. So obviously my corp wouldn't mean anything, so what would stop me from corp hopping when I want to choose a different faction? In short, welcome to New Eden, Atiim, sorry she doesn't play by your rules. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Atiim Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 5150	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:43:00 - [60] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: In short, welcome to New Eden, Atiim, sorry she doesn't play by your rules. Says Aisha, as she tries to implement rules herself So answer the question. What would stop me from simply corp hopping when I want to change Faction? And most importantly, how many people would actually play FW? Really gonna enjoy those 30min que-times. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3650	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:04:00 - [61] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: In short, welcome to New Eden, Atiim, sorry she doesn't play by your rules. Says Aisha, as she tries to implement rules herself So answer the question. What would stop me from simply corp hopping when I want to change Faction? And most importantly, how many people would actually play FW? Really gonna enjoy those 30min que-times. Atiim, it comes down to personal preference, either you REALLY want to do FW, you REALLY want to be a part of a corp and do PC and pubs, or you REALLY want to be a mercenary and do whatever the hell you want. Let's break it down. We have Twilight, Melphina, and Gene. Twilight really wants to get into PC and do pub matches. She has countless corps to join of her choosing - if any are aligned with any specific faction, she can base her decision off of that or join a corp that is not affiliated with any faction. Twilight happily joins the corp of her choosing and plays PC and pubs to her heart's content. Melphina LOOOOOOVES the Amarr Empire - she was born to fight in FW. She has countless corps that have aligned themselves with the Amarr Empire and their corp is enrolled in the 24th Imperial Crusade, perhaps she will join one of those corps. If she has no desire to join a corp, she can simply enlist in the 24th Imperial Crusade herself - done deal, now she is burning Minmatar alive with her LR. Gene was born to be bad. He's a mercenary to the core and does whatever he well pleases. If he wants to fight for a faction, he can enlist, if he wants to roll with a corp that fights for a faction he can apply to said corp, if he wants to do whatever, he can faction and corp hop - he's at his own free will. What you are failing to grasp is that if this WERE to be implemented, new corps would crop up to accommodate the wants and needs of the CEO's of those corps which would also align with the wants and needs of players as well. You would see more neutral corps crop up, you may see sister corps crop up of current corps where one is affiliated with a faction and the other is not, you will see faction affiliated corps only...it would sort out in the end. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6983	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:06:00 - [62] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Atiim wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sure if this were implemented then several "FW Only" corps would crop up for the four factions as there are in EVE. Say you join a corp and later you decide you want to do Min FW, you inquire to the corp and they say we aren't interested in FW - I'm sure there would be a Min FW corp to join. So if someone wants to fight for a faction other than what their corporation is fighting for, they have to scrap everything in their corp and join a "FW Only" corp? In what remote world does that sound plausible? You don't have to join a "FW Only" corp, you'd have to join a corp that is aligned with the proper militia in FW. That corp can still do PC and everything else. You really shouldn't be fighting for a side in FW that your whole corporation isn't, it just doesn't make sense. If you want to fight for say Gallente to get the Gallente loyalty items but your corporation is aligned with Caldari, then fight for Caldari with your corp, sell the Caldari loyalty items, and buy the Gallente loyalty items. If you want to fight for Gallente because you like them in lore or for whatever reason then you'd already be in a corporation that is aligned for Gallente in this example. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 188	Posted - 2014.02.28 17:42:00 - [63] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: This is going to tie in with FW and is going to be tough to explain but here's my crack at it. Ok, in EVE you must enlist in the factional army you wish to fight for - there is no "fighting for whichever faction you feel like when you feel like" per se UNLESS you enroll in a different factional army. Currently in DUST there is no system like that, you can just fight for whoever, yes it hurts your standings, but you can still fight for whoever. First off, I would like to see this change where either a CEO of a corporation can enroll their corporation into the factional army of their choosing or a player can forego their corporation to join the factional army of their choosing. Example time - Praetoriani Classiarii Templares can be enrolled into the 24th Imperial Crusade therefore making all of its members members of the Amarrian Factional Warfare Militia. Or let's say you're in Fatal Absolution, but you want to fight for the Caldari Factional Warfare Militia, you can enlist in the State Peacekeepers, but your corp now changes to the State Peacekeepers - you forego your corp. This change would be a bit of a discouragement from "Faction Hopping" and would encourage going "all in" for your faction of choice. My second idea will only work if the first idea is put into place. If players/corporations are enrolled in the militia of their choosing, there would then be highsec ramifications akin to EVE. In a public match on a planet/district owned by the enemy of the militia in which you are enrolled, enemy controlled installations will auto attack you (IE you automatically draw aggro). Example time - PCT (not spelling it out this time) are enrolled with the 24th Imperial Crusade and we go into a pub match. That pub match happens to be on a Minmatar controlled planet in highsec on a Minmatar controlled district. Any installation on that planet will auto attack us (unless destroyed or hacked by us) because we are perceived as the enemy invading their sovereign soil. This will be akin to the warning that you receive in EVE when entering your enemy's highsec space. EDIT This would not be implemented until the Open Market was also implemented ideally so that way if your corp is enrolled in a faction that you do not wish to play for, you can simply sell off the unwanted gear you can purchase from the LP store. Thank you for that note Viktor. i lke the idea but i dont think the general public will its to much comitment for most f2p fps'ers Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA


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