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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:39:00 -
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I support any movement to bring the EVE side model of FW over to Dust 514.
Sign up to a specific Militia, and fight for that Militia.
"War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:59:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:So I have to leave FA to do FW?  Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. Do you seriously want to kill off the FW playerbase even further?
There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:09:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:So I have to leave FA to do FW? Nope. -1. Or FA could enroll in a militia - sorry bro, but that's how it works in EVE, all or nothing. Do you seriously want to kill off the FW playerbase even further? There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions. Okay. Well, you restrict that to a small handful of people and see how it evolves.  Why, instead of 5-10 minute waits you might even get to 30 mins!
I'm not saying that's perhaps the correct course......but something has to be done.....its unbalancing enough as is, and some how, either through pure grit or experience despite the broken mess of fw ad negative modifiers from Dust Amarr FW eve side has endured........ I wish I knew how they were doing it.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:14:00 -
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Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:
There is not FW playerbase in Dust just corps farming content from a broken system....no loyalty, no consequences, no value to your actions.
Loyalty is never something that should be referenced in New Eden. Anyways, and what about those who do have loyalty? I can guarantee that very few people would agree with something that forces them to either leave their corp, or betray their faction.
Tell that to the 10 years of Amarr FW PIE Inc has put into New Eden.
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:19:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Okay. Well, you restrict that to a small handful of people and see how it evolves. Why, instead of 5-10 minute waits you might even get to 30 mins! I'm not saying that's perhaps the correct course......but something has to be done.....its unbalancing enough as is, and some how, either through pure grit or experience despite the broken mess of fw ad negative modifiers from Dust Amarr FW eve side has endured........ I wish I knew how they were doing it. Iteration is needed on FW, yes. This is not the way to do it. What are you expecting this change will achieve? It'll remove most casual FW players from FW, leaving a tiny group of FW nuts. That is all it would do. It would not make FW more fulfilling or rewarding. It would just bump up the queue times massively. I get the strong impression that you are disgruntled with the Amarr losing and as a result you want to restrict it to just your small FW groups. Hey, maybe that might have a -slight- effect on balance (although people are likely to just enlist with the currently winning factions, if they enlist at all) but it'd come at the cost of a massive queue time for very little gain. Is that really what you want?
Is Dust Scussions still an active channel on Skype for discussion? Perhaps this weekend we could get some of the FW minded players and knowledgeable eve players to chew the fat on this? Skype is a far better forum for discussion than Dust 514 forum.
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:24:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best.
Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck.
No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this.
You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC.
Leave FW to the loyalists.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:34:00 -
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Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best.
Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck.
No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. You mean put all the loyalists in the same corp, because individuality and choice be damned.
No I mean to say make FW what it is in EVE.
A Commitment of time and effort within a specific set of established rules, with the goal to be achieved as you see fit.
If you fight Amarr to Lvl X you should not be able to fight for the Minmatar until you regain their trust.
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:56:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:
We could do something like this when we have more to do than just Public Contracts, FW or PC. At the current point it would basically force every Corp to enroll in FW.
Or play Pubs and PC, no one is forcing anyone to play FW. It seems a little bit radical to not play one of 3 modes we have available, especially considering not many people play PC. We don't have enough to do currently. Especially considering that this would lock people out from the only mode that is connected to Eve Online and is available to everybody. This wouldn't be good for new players. They might start the game, join a corp somebody recommended them and then they want to do FW only to hear "Sorry. We're not doing this." Later, when we have more game modes and so on it could be a nice idea. But currently not so much. It also seems a bit radical that you would force everyone in Dust 514 to be mercenaries. What does FW offer you that the other modes don't? It is still just your basic skirmish at the end of the day. Let FW be a place to be loyalists and Pubs/PC a place to be mercenaries (and of course you can be both!)
Perhaps not leaving corps...but definitely a threshold where players who have fought for one faction cannot enter the others. The higher tiers giving players the worthwhile bonuses...however players can roll around at low loyalty levels receiving small amounts of LP and content items, wheras those who reach the higher, more deciated and race specific levels receive large bonuses to their factions LP gain.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.28 00:19:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:True Adamance wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Personally I'm a mercanry, I'll fight for who pays me the best.
Thats meant to be the distinction between us and the gel-breathers, we don't have loyalty to anything but the next paycheck.
No offence but -1, I want to be mercanry, I would prefer bigger penalties for fighting on opposing sides sure, but not like this. You have public matches to be a mercenary in. Or PC. Leave FW to the loyalists. Why? Entrepreneurs can make Money from FW its meant to be an extension of the game not a baby PC.I shouldn't have to lock in, they shouldmpay me handsomely for coming back, I do not need them but they need me.
Indeed but realistically speaking no faction would hire you knowing you are going to betray them, nor would they offer you the same rewards as a soldier who has supported them unflinchingly for months. Logically the empire should already be rewarding me several times more than a scumbag mercenary would received.
"War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."
- Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.02.28 02:39:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:
I'm sure if this were implemented then several "FW Only" corps would crop up for the four factions as there are in EVE.
Say you join a corp and later you decide you want to do Min FW, you inquire to the corp and they say we aren't interested in FW - I'm sure there would be a Min FW corp to join.
So if someone wants to fight for a faction other than what their corporation is fighting for, they have to scrap everything in their corp and join a "FW Only" corp? In what remote world does that sound plausible?
New Eden.....
"War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."
- Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
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