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Cmdr Wolfe Carbon 7 CRONOS. 60	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:09:00 - [1] - Quote has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 4 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1882	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:10:00 - [2] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 3 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. Considering everything melts armor far easier than shield, I think that's fine. I use the Gal Logi, so I know. I also use the basic heavy plenty, and see a huge difference between how difficult it is to take down armor vs shields. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 696	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:10:00 - [3] - Quote wheres the reppers?...
Galthur Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 384	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:15:00 - [4] - Quote The math isn't correct but the ehp can reach roughly 2,000. A basic heavy can get over 1,000 ehp without mods (fotm) What do you post in the war room when CCP is gone and PC is locked? 14:44 [CCP]Logibro: Not Anime.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1139	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:16:00 - [5] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 4 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. I... wow. Learn to math, holy ****. First, 525 base armor + 390 base shields = 915. How you got 940 I will never know. Second, armor and shield skills provide 25% to armor and 25% to shields. Which is not the same as 50% to the entire HP pool. If you don't get why that's the case... go back the middle school. Third, armor and shield skills only affect base suit HP, not HP after modules. Fourth, the resistance bonuses only apply to shields or armor, not both. In the Gallente's case, it applies only to armor. I'm not going to redo your calculations for you, but you are very, very wrong. Everyone, you can safely ignore the OP's post.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 6836	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:20:00 - [6] - Quote A. Where are the armor repairers? At least one is needed B. 15% resist applies to armor, not total HP C. Where are you getting 50% from? You take BASE HP, then add +25% for armor and shields. On top of that, you take plates/extenders, add +10% to those and then slap them on suits. You can't put extenders/plates first and THEN add the bonus. Actual max eHP: Base HP: 525 * 1.25 + 390 * 1.25 = 1143 Plates: (132 * 1.1) * 4 = 580 Extenders: 66 * 1.1 = 72.6 Total HP = 1795 15% resist total HP: 2014 2014 is the maximum eHP a Gal heavy can have. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 251	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:21:00 - [7] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Considering everything melts armor far easier than shield, I think that's fine. I use the Gal Logi, so I know. Everything... except you know Assault Rifles, Scrambler Rifles, Scrambler Pistols, Shotguns and Laser Rifles. Oh and lolPlasma Cannons and soon to be lol Ion Pistols.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 6836	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:23:00 - [8] - Quote Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Considering everything melts armor far easier than shield, I think that's fine. I use the Gal Logi, so I know. Everything... except you know Assault Rifles, Scrambler Rifles, Scrambler Pistols, Shotguns and Laser Rifles. Oh and lolPlasma Cannons and soon to be lol Ion Pistols. AR's are in the lol category too. Worst rifle. Scrambler Rifle is quite uncommon compared to the others. Scrambler pistol is less common than the SMG. Shotguns are uncommon. LaserRifle lolz Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1735	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:23:00 - [9] - Quote Galthur wrote: The math isn't correct but the ehp can reach roughly 2,000. A basic heavy can get over 1,000 ehp without mods (fotm) except the minmatar which is basically a slower medium frame, with less potential ehp Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries 1025	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:24:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: A. Where are the armor repairers? At least one is needed B. 15% resist applies to armor, not total HP C. Where are you getting 50% from? You take BASE HP, then add +25% for armor and shields. On top of that, you take plates/extenders, add +10% to those and then slap them on suits. You can't put extenders/plates first and THEN add the bonus. Actual max eHP: Base HP: 525 * 1.25 + 390 * 1.25 = 1143 Plates: (132 * 1.1) * 4 = 580 Extenders: 66 * 1.1 = 72.6 Total HP = 1795 15% resist total HP: 2014 2014 is the maximum eHP a Gal heavy can have. Nice number... CCP Saberwing "Vehicles have taken a step in the right direction"

calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1570	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:26:00 - [11] - Quote I will be sporting the suit and the Cal heavy suit. I will not be the FOTM just finally playing the role I wanted from the beginning. I plan to be full proto first day in both suits but unfortunately I will still have to use a Mimitard weapon A heavy before 1.8
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1141	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:26:00 - [12] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 3 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. Considering everything melts armor far easier than shield, I think that's fine. I use the Gal Logi, so I know. I also use the basic heavy plenty, and see a huge difference between how difficult it is to take down armor vs shields. Spkr, swallowing this sad excuse for math only proves that either a. you don't read and think before you speak or b. you're too dumb to understand basic math or c. you have no grasp of this game's infantry mechanics.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1413	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:26:00 - [13] - Quote Srsly, L2math. Drop it like its hat.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5105	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:31:00 - [14] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 4 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. I... wow. Learn to math, holy ****. First, 525 base armor + 390 base shields = 915. How you got 940 I will never know. Second, armor and shield skills provide 25% to armor and 25% to shields. Which is not the same as 50% to the entire HP pool. If you don't get why that's the case... go back the middle school. Third, armor and shield skills only affect base suit HP, not HP after modules. Fourth, the resistance bonuses only apply to shields or armor, not both. In the Gallente's case, it applies only to armor. I'm not going to redo your calculations for you, but you are very, very wrong. Everyone, you can safely ignore the OP's post. In the case of the Amarr sentinel is gets a bonus to both shield and armor. http://i.imgur.com/cZqf5pH.png Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1143	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:33:00 - [15] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 4 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. I... wow. Learn to math, holy ****. First, 525 base armor + 390 base shields = 915. How you got 940 I will never know. Second, armor and shield skills provide 25% to armor and 25% to shields. Which is not the same as 50% to the entire HP pool. If you don't get why that's the case... go back the middle school. Third, armor and shield skills only affect base suit HP, not HP after modules. Fourth, the resistance bonuses only apply to shields or armor, not both. In the Gallente's case, it applies only to armor. I'm not going to redo your calculations for you, but you are very, very wrong. Everyone, you can safely ignore the OP's post. In the case of the Amarr sentinel is gets a bonus to both shield and armor. http://i.imgur.com/cZqf5pH.png Right, but the same resist doesn't ever apply to both shield and armor. 15% armor vs projectile and 10% shield vs blaster is still not 15% to both armor and shields against the same damage type, which is what the OP states is the case with Gal vs rails.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9620	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:34:00 - [16] - Quote No repair modules (dumb), shield extender instead of damage mods on a Gallente suit (dumb), stacking too many complex plates making you extremely slow (dumb). Not even practical, not sure this fitting would even be possible since PG/CPU costs don't even seem to be factored. Your math is also very very wrong. You are wrong about the base stats, and you need to calculate the shield bonus and armor bonus individually. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3284	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:35:00 - [17] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 4 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. Who the hell taught you maths? No.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2415	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:41:00 - [18] - Quote Someone stacking that much hp really isn't going to be moving fast at all, even less likely to be viable in combat without multiple people with him. I also made a spreadsheet at one point in time: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1733974 Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1767	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:41:00 - [19] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Galthur wrote: The math isn't correct but the ehp can reach roughly 2,000. A basic heavy can get over 1,000 ehp without mods (fotm) except the minmatar which is basically a slower medium frame, with less potential ehp Minmatar Heavy gets 1031.25 base HP without mods, if your shield and armor HP skills are maxed. 168.75 HP less than an Amarr Sentinel, though. That a Complex Armor Plate of difference and then some,eep. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1148	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:44:00 - [20] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Galthur wrote: The math isn't correct but the ehp can reach roughly 2,000. A basic heavy can get over 1,000 ehp without mods (fotm) except the minmatar which is basically a slower medium frame, with less potential ehp Minmatar Heavy gets 1031.25 base HP without mods, if your shield and armor HP skills are maxed. 168.75 HP less than an Amarr Sentinel, though. That a Complex Armor Plate of difference and then some,eep. But still a fat stack more than any medium frame. Kincat-stacked HMG flanker is going to be deadly if played right.

Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 891	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:46:00 - [21] - Quote According to my math, fully tanked proto heavies with full core shield/armor skills will have max EHP as follows (excluding resistances, and assuming all high/low slots are used for complex shield extenders and complex armor plates): Caldari - 947 Shield, 636 Armor - 1583 EHP Gallente - 560 Shield, 1250 Armor - 1810 EHP Minmatar - 705 Shield, 841 ARmor - 1546 EHP Amarr - 595 Shield, 1196 Armor - 1791 EHP With the heavy's resistance to splash damage, they will be able to tank 1 remote explosive directly and still have 548-740 EHP remaining. Note: I haven't confirmed whether these fits will work in terms of CPU/PG (since I don't run heavies and don't care enough to check).
Chuckles Brown 179	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:51:00 - [22] - Quote Well, I guess soloing Heavies with my Vizium from 4m away are done... shucks The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah?
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 386	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:05:00 - [23] - Quote Gal Heavy EHPs Armor: [(5251.25)+(1351.14)] = 1250 Shields: [(3901.25)+(661.1)] = 560 Raw EHP = 1810 Resists(assuming bonuses/penalties are additive) 25% Splash resist 15% Hybrid Rail armor resist 10% Projectile armor resist EHP vs Explosives(+20% vs armor, -20% vs Shields) EHP 1250(1-.2+.25) + 560(1+.2+.25) = 2125 eHP EHP vs Laser/Plasma (-20% vs armor, +20% vs Shields) EHP 1250(1+.2) + 560(1-.2) = 1948 eHP EHP vs Projectile (+10% vs armor, -5% vs Shields) EHP 1250(1) + 560(1+.05) = 1838 eHP EHP vs Rail (+10% vs armor, -10% vs Shields) EHP 1250(1+.15-.1) + 560*(1+.1) = 1928 eHP Highest eHP Gal heavy will ever see is 2125 hp probably ninja'd but I don't care 32db Mad Bomber.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2643	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:24:00 - [24] - Quote You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 6845	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:31:00 - [25] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 Uhh... You just went full ret@rd. Never go full ret@rd. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1158	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:31:00 - [26] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 Fox you disappoint me greatly. HP modules do not have stacking penalties. Are you trolling? Asha: The correct way is to multiply percentages, i.e. Base armor EHP vs explosives = Base armor * 1.25 * 0.8.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 333	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:31:00 - [27] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 there arent ******* stacking penalties on plates
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10084	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:33:00 - [28] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 This is the part where everyone laughs at you. I'm sorry, Fox. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1158	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:34:00 - [29] - Quote Mods, please lock this thread for being a veritable fountain of misinformation.
Scheherazade VII 293	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:53:00 - [30] - Quote and in come the math nerds

Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 386	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:59:00 - [31] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 Fox you disappoint me greatly. HP modules do not have stacking penalties. Are you trolling? Asha: The correct way is to multiply percentages, i.e. Base armor EHP vs explosives = Base armor * 1.25 * 0.8. Actually hit points vs. incoming damage 500hpa - 500hpb 500hp(a-b) a-b not a*b 32db Mad Bomber.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1165	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:03:00 - [32] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: and in come the math nerds this is pretty weak sauce on the math nerd scale. Also, welcome to the EVE universe. Math beats not-math every time.
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 236	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:09:00 - [33] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 3 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. Considering everything melts armor far easier than shield, I think that's fine. I use the Gal Logi, so I know. I also use the basic heavy plenty, and see a huge difference between how difficult it is to take down armor vs shields. Spkr, swallowing this sad excuse for math only proves that either a. you don't read and think before you speak or b. you're too dumb to understand basic math or c. you have no grasp of this game's infantry mechanics. Hes a tanktard, how would he know. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1168	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:10:00 - [34] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 Fox you disappoint me greatly. HP modules do not have stacking penalties. Are you trolling? Asha: The correct way is to multiply percentages, i.e. Base armor EHP vs explosives = Base armor * 1.25 * 0.8. I did at first but felt that the numbers were screwy, my logic at the time a 10% resist didn't cancel a 10% damage bonus and they weren't off by that much, a couple tens at the most. The resist is actually slightly more effective for having been multiplied in. Let's say it's a blaster vs shields (10% bonus) against an amarr sentinel (10% blaster resist to shields), with a base blaster damage of 100/hit. Damage before resist = 110, after resist = 110 - (110*.1) = 99. You're right that it's a very small difference, but I've survived with 0 shield and 0 armor enough times to appreciate the tiny differences.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 386	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:29:00 - [35] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 Fox you disappoint me greatly. HP modules do not have stacking penalties. Are you trolling? Asha: The correct way is to multiply percentages, i.e. Base armor EHP vs explosives = Base armor * 1.25 * 0.8. I did at first but felt that the numbers were screwy, my logic at the time a 10% resist didn't cancel a 10% damage bonus and they weren't off by that much, a couple tens at the most. The resist is actually slightly more effective for having been multiplied in. Let's say it's a blaster vs shields (10% bonus) against an amarr sentinel (10% blaster resist to shields), with a base blaster damage of 100/hit. Damage before resist = 110, after resist = 110 - (110.1) = 99. You're right that it's a very small difference, but I've survived with 0 shield and 0 armor enough times to appreciate the tiny differences. But see that's what doesn't sit well with me. How I see it is that (.8) isn't acting on the shields/armor(x) but the incoming projectile(y) 500hp = xhpb 500hp = yhpa xhpa - yhpb = 0 set y = x, for illustrative purposes and it becomes xhp(a-b) 32db Mad Bomber.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1300	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:33:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: A. Where are the armor repairers? At least one is needed B. 15% resist applies to armor, not total HP C. Where are you getting 50% from? You take BASE HP, then add +25% for armor and shields. On top of that, you take plates/extenders, add +10% to those and then slap them on suits. You can't put extenders/plates first and THEN add the bonus. Actual max eHP: Base HP: 525 * 1.25 + 390 * 1.25 = 1143 Plates: (132 * 1.1) * 4 = 580 Extenders: 66 * 1.1 = 72.6 Total HP = 1795 15% resist total HP: 2014 2014 is the maximum eHP a Gal heavy can have. You don't necessarily NEED the reps. That's why there are logistics. Also, Gallente heavies are getting 1hp/s repairs innately.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3285	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:38:00 - [37] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 This is the part where everyone laughs at you. I'm sorry, Fox. mental note Fox's suits have no hp. No.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1174	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:58:00 - [38] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 Fox you disappoint me greatly. HP modules do not have stacking penalties. Are you trolling? Asha: The correct way is to multiply percentages, i.e. Base armor EHP vs explosives = Base armor * 1.25 * 0.8. I did at first but felt that the numbers were screwy, my logic at the time a 10% resist didn't cancel a 10% damage bonus and they weren't off by that much, a couple tens at the most. The resist is actually slightly more effective for having been multiplied in. Let's say it's a blaster vs shields (10% bonus) against an amarr sentinel (10% blaster resist to shields), with a base blaster damage of 100/hit. Damage before resist = 110, after resist = 110 - (110.1) = 99. You're right that it's a very small difference, but I've survived with 0 shield and 0 armor enough times to appreciate the tiny differences. But see that's what doesn't sit well with me. How I see it is that (.8) isn't acting on the shields/armor(x) but the incoming projectile(y) 500hp = xhpb 500hp = yhpa xhpa - yhpb = 0 set y = x, for illustrative purposes and it becomes xhp(a-b) Hmm, I see what you're saying. Now I'm unsure. I wish the devs would clarify this sort of thing
AP Grasshopper Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 192	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:01:00 - [39] - Quote I think you need to check your math.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 722	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:02:00 - [40] - Quote and they get logi bonus, they need to nerf the repair tool on certain heavy suits to balance this out a little, armor already OP without the logi assist Nemo me impune lacessit

Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2044	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:07:00 - [41] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: According to my math, fully tanked proto heavies with full core shield/armor skills will have max EHP as follows (excluding resistances, and assuming all high/low slots are used for complex shield extenders and complex armor plates): Caldari - 947 Shield, 636 Armor - 1583 EHP Gallente - 560 Shield, 1250 Armor - 1810 EHP Minmatar - 705 Shield, 841 Armor - 1546 EHP Amarr - 595 Shield, 1196 Armor - 1791 EHP With the heavy's resistance to splash damage, they will be able to tank 1 remote explosive directly and still have 548-740 EHP remaining. Note: I haven't confirmed whether these fits will work in terms of CPU/PG (since I don't run heavies and don't care enough to check). Edited to add: After resistances are accounted for, the maxed out heavies above will need 4 shots from a standard shotgun to drop them. Smh, the Amarr suits want to be useful but it just cant because the "Everything Amarr can do the Gallente can do better" pops into existence. Im a sad Amarrian "But we have been blessed"
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 546	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:07:00 - [42] - Quote GALLENTE FOR LYFE! This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2647	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:09:00 - [43] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 Fox you disappoint me greatly. HP modules do not have stacking penalties. Are you trolling? Really? Does that apply to Shield Extenders too? Has CCP ever explained why plates donGÇÖt have a stacking penalty? I have never equipped more than two plates so I never noticed. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 386	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:11:00 - [44] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Fox you disappoint me greatly. HP modules do not have stacking penalties. Are you trolling? Asha: The correct way is to multiply percentages, i.e. Base armor EHP vs explosives = Base armor * 1.25 * 0.8. I did at first but felt that the numbers were screwy, my logic at the time a 10% resist didn't cancel a 10% damage bonus and they weren't off by that much, a couple tens at the most. The resist is actually slightly more effective for having been multiplied in. Let's say it's a blaster vs shields (10% bonus) against an amarr sentinel (10% blaster resist to shields), with a base blaster damage of 100/hit. Damage before resist = 110, after resist = 110 - (110.1) = 99. You're right that it's a very small difference, but I've survived with 0 shield and 0 armor enough times to appreciate the tiny differences. But see that's what doesn't sit well with me. How I see it is that (.8) isn't acting on the shields/armor(x) but the incoming projectile(y) 500hp = xhpb 500hp = yhpa xhpa - yhpb = 0 set y = x, for illustrative purposes and it becomes xhp(a-b) Hmm, I see what you're saying. Now I'm unsure. I wish the devs would clarify this sort of thing Actually, turns out you were right. 500hp = xb 500hp = ya xb = ya x = y(a/b) or x = ya*(1/b) I feel so silly right now, I'm going into for a while. yay for wonder math. 32db Mad Bomber.
NEO Arbiter Red Hand Syndicate 45	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:14:00 - [45] - Quote To fox, As a general rule: GÇó Modules with a raw # increase to a stat have NO stacking penalty. Example: shield extenders, armor plates, armor repairers, etc. GÇó modules with a % increase to a stat HAVE stacking penalties. Example: damage mods, kinetic catalysers, etc. Tears4Life
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1174	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:27:00 - [46] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: You guys caught many of his mistakes, but did anyone remember to factor in the stacking penalties for equipping four armor plates? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that 135 is the correct value for armor plate it would be: 135 + 117 + 77 + 38 = 367 Not 135 x 4 = 540 Fox you disappoint me greatly. HP modules do not have stacking penalties. Are you trolling? Really? Does that apply to Shield Extenders too? Has CCP ever explained why plates donGÇÖt have a stacking penalty? I have never equipped more than two plates so I never noticed. Yes, it also applies to shield extenders. I don't think they've ever explained it because it seems so intuitive. Something like increasing speed or weapon damage gets harder the more you try to increase it. In contrast, each inch of armor is as thick and armor-y as the last inch and the inch after it. I think you're probably the only person in the whole game who has never stacked more than two armor plates
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2647	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:28:00 - [47] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: I feel so silly right now, There is a lot of that going around in here.. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2074	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:32:00 - [48] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 3 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. Considering everything melts armor far easier than shield, I think that's fine. I use the Gal Logi, so I know. I also use the basic heavy plenty, and see a huge difference between how difficult it is to take down armor vs shields. Scrambler Rifle melts shields, Plasma Rifle melts shields, shotgun melts shields, laser rifle melts shields, blaster turrets melt shields, scrambler pistol melts shields, bolt pistol will melt shields, magsec will melt shields, plasma cannons melts shields, flux grenades melt shields. No EVERYHING does not Armour easier than shields, it just so happens that the popular choices about now, Combat and Rail rifles recieve bonuses to armour. Which is likely caused by the factor everyone and their mum tanks with armour nowa days. Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2647	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:38:00 - [49] - Quote NEO Arbiter wrote: To fox, As a general rule: GÇó Modules with a raw # increase to a stat have NO stacking penalty. Example: shield extenders, armor plates, armor repairers, etc. GÇó modules with a % increase to a stat HAVE stacking penalties. Example: damage mods, kinetic catalysers, etc. Thanks. That seems straight forward. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1772	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:41:00 - [50] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: bolt pistol will melt shields, magsec will melt shields These two are -10% shields. +10% armor. Otherwise, on target. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]

The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 147	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:45:00 - [51] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 4 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. It would have to be a pro to suit first of all. Second, no one stacks 4 complex armor plates. If they did, they would not be able to move. They would have no armor repair and would need a logii
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1175	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:48:00 - [52] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 4 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. It would have to be a pro to suit first of all. Second, no one stacks 4 complex armor plates. If they did, they would not be able to move. They would have no armor repair and would need a logii wow this kid. I don't even have words to describe it.
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens League of Infamy 41	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:34:00 - [53] - Quote Check the proposed stats for yourself o/ Gallente Heavy www.protofits.com - a fitting tool project
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 274	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:45:00 - [54] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: wheres the reppers?... +25 Triage +35 Guardian +25 Triage +25 Triage +25 Triage >~~~~~# = = = = = = = Here's the reps! "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 528	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:53:00 - [55] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: It would have to be a pro to suit first of all. Second, no one stacks 4 complex armor plates. If they did, they would not be able to move. They would have no armor repair and would need a logii True...but on the other hand, if you could plop one of these baddies near a node or some type of chokepoint, you'd basically have a stationary defensive turret. Can't wait to ditch my Amarr suit and (hopefully) start purchasing some Gallente/Minny LP heavies to save some money. Even at 20k, I loathe dying in my heavy suit (basic.) Life is killing me.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 76	Posted - 2014.02.27 00:03:00 - [56] - Quote Well, the Gallente Heavy will be melt down faster than the Caldari one by HMGs. Plus, the Caldari will rep a lot faster. The Armor high HP gives us a chance. I know what the Gallente Heavy will be excellent at, but i won't tell anyone yet...
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 765	Posted - 2014.02.27 00:36:00 - [57] - Quote Putting the OPs bad math aside, the Gallente Sentinel is going to be a slow moving beast with somewhere between 1800-2000 HP, however, give me some range on it with my caldari commando and it will die pretty easy. 110% damage vs armor + 10% commando bonus (level V) + 10% for a complex damage mod + 15% for proficiency V = racial warfare balance Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
WolfeXXVII NECROM0NGERS 16	Posted - 2014.02.27 02:07:00 - [58] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: A. Where are the armor repairers? At least one is needed B. 15% resist applies to armor, not total HP C. Where are you getting 50% from? You take BASE HP, then add +25% for armor and shields. On top of that, you take plates/extenders, add +10% to those and then slap them on suits. You can't put extenders/plates first and THEN add the bonus. Actual max eHP: Base HP: 525 * 1.25 + 390 * 1.25 = 1143 Plates: (132 * 1.1) * 4 = 580 Extenders: 66 * 1.1 = 72.6 Total HP = 1795 15% resist total HP: 2014 2014 is the maximum eHP a Gal heavy can have. on top of that heavies should be OP compared to an assault suit so before you FOTM fukers with gal logi's start pitchen a fit realize that the heavies effectively way 2-3 times as much as the assault that alone warrents 3000 EHP and a fuk ton a damage that I haven't seen since early chromozome shoties gk.0 scout 4 the win Optimization 5 in 7 weapons and counting,SP from all characters:-113,895,000- CLOSED BETA VET.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 535	Posted - 2014.02.27 02:54:00 - [59] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: I know what the Gallente Heavy will be excellent at, but i won't tell anyone yet... Making the ladies swoon? That's my guess. Life is killing me.
Cmdr Wolfe Carbon 7 CRONOS. 62	Posted - 2014.02.27 09:35:00 - [60] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Putting the OPs bad math aside, the Gallente Sentinel is going to be a slow moving beast with somewhere between 1800-2000 HP, however, give me some range on it with my caldari commando and it will die pretty easy. 110% damage vs armor + 10% commando bonus (level V) + 10% for a complex damage mod + 15% for proficiency V = racial warfare balance your forgeting the resistance the gallante suit has against your precesious rail rifle...

Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 92	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:30:00 - [61] - Quote Maybe so, But that gives you only 1 hp per second lol, Meaning someone could come in and hit you hard, and you won't recover all that health that fast. Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
shadow drake35 Mocking Bird Inc. 65	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:31:00 - [62] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 4 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. thats op amarr should be able to have best heavy minitar for logi cal for assault and gal for scout The Mercenary Way Who careswhat i use as long as the job is done and i get paid.
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 92	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:33:00 - [63] - Quote shadow drake35 wrote: Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 4 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. thats op amarr should be able to have best heavy minitar for logi cal for assault and gal for scout Again, Do you realize that the suit has very little shield, And the build would have like 1 HP repair/Second Meaning a sizable hit would cripple it. Once you make a dent in the health, It will go down fast. Lol one Plasma cannon/Forge Shot and you'll waste half the health easy. Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1967	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:36:00 - [64] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: A. Where are the armor repairers? At least one is needed B. 15% resist applies to armor, not total HP C. Where are you getting 50% from? You take BASE HP, then add +25% for armor and shields. On top of that, you take plates/extenders, add +10% to those and then slap them on suits. You can't put extenders/plates first and THEN add the bonus. Actual max eHP: Base HP: 525 * 1.25 + 390 * 1.25 = 1143 Plates: (132 * 1.1) * 4 = 580 Extenders: 66 * 1.1 = 72.6 Total HP = 1795 15% resist total HP: 2014 2014 is the maximum eHP a Gal heavy can have. thank you for using real math =)
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1218	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:36:00 - [65] - Quote WolfeXXVII wrote: Cat Merc wrote: A. Where are the armor repairers? At least one is needed B. 15% resist applies to armor, not total HP C. Where are you getting 50% from? You take BASE HP, then add +25% for armor and shields. On top of that, you take plates/extenders, add +10% to those and then slap them on suits. You can't put extenders/plates first and THEN add the bonus. Actual max eHP: Base HP: 525 * 1.25 + 390 * 1.25 = 1143 Plates: (132 * 1.1) * 4 = 580 Extenders: 66 * 1.1 = 72.6 Total HP = 1795 15% resist total HP: 2014 2014 is the maximum eHP a Gal heavy can have. on top of that heavies should be OP compared to an assault suit so before you FOTM fukers with gal logi's start pitchen a fit realize that the heavies effectively way 2-3 times as much as the assault that alone warrents 3000 EHP and a fuk ton a damage that I haven't seen since early chromozome shoties You just won't shut up will you? Making baseless claims off of weight (weigh, not way) again, in a new thread because I beat you in yours. Stop. Talking. Heavies are fine now and they'll be fine in 1.8, better even, they don't need an idiot like you arguing for another heavy buff.
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:36:00 - [66] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Srsly, L2math. Ugh, that spelling gave me pubescent acne. Seriously, if you are on a keyboard it doesn't take long to spell it correctly.
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 92	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:39:00 - [67] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: WolfeXXVII wrote: Cat Merc wrote: A. Where are the armor repairers? At least one is needed B. 15% resist applies to armor, not total HP C. Where are you getting 50% from? You take BASE HP, then add +25% for armor and shields. On top of that, you take plates/extenders, add +10% to those and then slap them on suits. You can't put extenders/plates first and THEN add the bonus. Actual max eHP: Base HP: 525 * 1.25 + 390 * 1.25 = 1143 Plates: (132 * 1.1) * 4 = 580 Extenders: 66 * 1.1 = 72.6 Total HP = 1795 15% resist total HP: 2014 2014 is the maximum eHP a Gal heavy can have. on top of that heavies should be OP compared to an assault suit so before you FOTM fukers with gal logi's start pitchen a fit realize that the heavies effectively way 2-3 times as much as the assault that alone warrents 3000 EHP and a fuk ton a damage that I haven't seen since early chromozome shoties You just won't shut up will you? Making baseless claims off of weight (weigh, not way) again, in a new thread because I beat you in yours. Stop. Talking. Heavies are fine now and they'll be fine in 1.8, better even, they don't need an idiot like you arguing for another heavy buff. Lol, Do you even run heavy guys? Bout the only thing that's heavy about a heavy is that they're slow, and can carry a big gun. Otherwise, they're really not all that great. Their health melts away fast, and medium suits can easily do about 3/4 their health and be more effective than they can. About the only map they're good on is the City Underground Dom. Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1218	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:46:00 - [68] - Quote Soldier Sorajord wrote: Awry Barux wrote: WolfeXXVII wrote: Cat Merc wrote: A. Where are the armor repairers? At least one is needed B. 15% resist applies to armor, not total HP C. Where are you getting 50% from? You take BASE HP, then add +25% for armor and shields. On top of that, you take plates/extenders, add +10% to those and then slap them on suits. You can't put extenders/plates first and THEN add the bonus. Actual max eHP: Base HP: 525 * 1.25 + 390 * 1.25 = 1143 Plates: (132 * 1.1) * 4 = 580 Extenders: 66 * 1.1 = 72.6 Total HP = 1795 15% resist total HP: 2014 2014 is the maximum eHP a Gal heavy can have. on top of that heavies should be OP compared to an assault suit so before you FOTM fukers with gal logi's start pitchen a fit realize that the heavies effectively way 2-3 times as much as the assault that alone warrents 3000 EHP and a fuk ton a damage that I haven't seen since early chromozome shoties You just won't shut up will you? Making baseless claims off of weight (weigh, not way) again, in a new thread because I beat you in yours. Stop. Talking. Heavies are fine now and they'll be fine in 1.8, better even, they don't need an idiot like you arguing for another heavy buff. Lol, Do you even run heavy guys? Bout the only thing that's heavy about a heavy is that they're slow, and can carry a big gun. Otherwise, they're really not all that great. Their health melts away fast, and medium suits can easily do about 3/4 their health and be more effective than they can. About the only map they're good on is the City Underground Dom. I've been running heavy all week. Heavies are fine right now, and they're getting a big buff in 1.8. The only map they suffer on is Manus Peak.
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 177	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:48:00 - [69] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: According to my math, fully tanked proto heavies with full core shield/armor skills will have max EHP as follows (excluding resistances, and assuming all high/low slots are used for complex shield extenders and complex armor plates): Caldari - 947 Shield, 636 Armor - 1583 EHP Gallente - 560 Shield, 1250 Armor - 1810 EHP Minmatar - 705 Shield, 841 Armor - 1546 EHP Amarr - 595 Shield, 1196 Armor - 1791 EHP With the heavy's resistance to splash damage, they will be able to tank 1 remote explosive directly and still have 548-740 EHP remaining. Note: I haven't confirmed whether these fits will work in terms of CPU/PG (since I don't run heavies and don't care enough to check). Edited to add: After resistances are accounted for, the maxed out heavies above will need 4 shots from a standard shotgun to drop them. Smh, the Amarr suits want to be useful but it just cant because the "Everything Amarr can do the Gallente can do better" pops into existence. Im a sad Amarrian Yup. The Gallente get More Armor, Passive Reps, More EHP (barely, but still), two Armor resistances that add up to a better resistance percentage because they have more armor, and More Speed. The Amarr Get... 35 more shields, and some extra stamina. I don't see any good reason to use Amarrian Suits over Gallente ones... Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 698	Posted - 2014.02.27 15:51:00 - [70] - Quote isnt the amarr heavy a 600/600 for a total hp of 1200 currently with just the armor and shield upgrades maxed?. wheres that 595 coming from?

Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1223	Posted - 2014.02.27 16:01:00 - [71] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: According to my math, fully tanked proto heavies with full core shield/armor skills will have max EHP as follows (excluding resistances, and assuming all high/low slots are used for complex shield extenders and complex armor plates): Caldari - 947 Shield, 636 Armor - 1583 EHP Gallente - 560 Shield, 1250 Armor - 1810 EHP Minmatar - 705 Shield, 841 Armor - 1546 EHP Amarr - 595 Shield, 1196 Armor - 1791 EHP With the heavy's resistance to splash damage, they will be able to tank 1 remote explosive directly and still have 548-740 EHP remaining. Note: I haven't confirmed whether these fits will work in terms of CPU/PG (since I don't run heavies and don't care enough to check). Edited to add: After resistances are accounted for, the maxed out heavies above will need 4 shots from a standard shotgun to drop them. Smh, the Amarr suits want to be useful but it just cant because the "Everything Amarr can do the Gallente can do better" pops into existence. Im a sad Amarrian Yup. The Gallente get More Armor, Passive Reps, More EHP (barely, but still), two Armor resistances that add up to a better resistance percentage because they have more armor, and More Speed. The Amarr Get... 35 more shields, and some extra stamina. I don't see any good reason to use Amarrian Suits over Gallente ones... Amarr is getting 2H3L vs 1H4L for Gal. An extra complex damage mod in exchange for a small EHP drop = a good trade in my book.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 94	Posted - 2014.02.27 16:10:00 - [72] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Considering everything melts armor far easier than shield, I think that's fine. I use the Gal Logi, so I know. Everything... except you know Assault Rifles, Scrambler Rifles, Scrambler Pistols, Shotguns and Laser Rifles. Oh and lolPlasma Cannons and soon to be lol Ion Pistols. AR's are in the lol category too. Worst rifle. Scrambler Rifle is quite uncommon compared to the others. Scrambler pistol is less common than the SMG. Shotguns are uncommon. LaserRifle lolz Lol... scrambler rifles are uncommon... what server do you play on? Academy? Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 898	Posted - 2014.02.27 16:11:00 - [73] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: isnt the amarr heavy a 600/600 for a total hp of 1200 currently with just the armor and shield upgrades maxed?. wheres that 595 coming from? Their base stats will be changing in 1.8 - check the Features and Ideas Discussion thread about it.
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 179	Posted - 2014.02.27 16:16:00 - [74] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Considering everything melts armor far easier than shield, I think that's fine. I use the Gal Logi, so I know. Everything... except you know Assault Rifles, Scrambler Rifles, Scrambler Pistols, Shotguns and Laser Rifles. Oh and lolPlasma Cannons and soon to be lol Ion Pistols. AR's are in the lol category too. Worst rifle. Scrambler Rifle is quite uncommon compared to the others. Scrambler pistol is less common than the SMG. Shotguns are uncommon. LaserRifle lolz Lol... scrambler rifles are uncommon... what server do you play on? Academy? I made the part that makes his post reasonable more visible for you. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 316	Posted - 2014.02.27 16:16:00 - [75] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: has anybody else looked at the patch notes for 1.8 (work in progress) i did some number crunching and the gallante heavy has a rather large amount of hitpoints base hitpoints= 940 4 x complex armor plates 135x4= 540 1 x complex shield extender =66 sub total= 1,546 plus ARMOUR ans shield SKILLS bonus= 50% bounus 1,546= TOTAL HITPOINTS= 2,319 PLUS A RESISTANCE BONUS= 15% vs railgun tech TOTAL MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EFFECTIVE HITPOINTS= 2,650..... isnt that a little too much? thats more than a dropship... have mercy on the poor caldari souls who would go up against 16 of these bohemoths!!! i think SHIELD vs ARMOUR needs to be balanced once more. And people wonder why I ll run right at you with a remote in my hand, geez Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 765	Posted - 2014.02.27 16:50:00 - [76] - Quote Cmdr Wolfe wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Putting the OPs bad math aside, the Gallente Sentinel is going to be a slow moving beast with somewhere between 1800-2000 HP, however, give me some range on it with my caldari commando and it will die pretty easy. 110% damage vs armor + 10% commando bonus (level V) + 10% for a complex damage mod + 15% for proficiency V = racial warfare balance your forgeting the resistance the gallante suit has against your precesious rail rifle... Oh right so I'll only be hitting their armor at 130% instead of 145% awww shucks Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2654	Posted - 2014.02.27 17:03:00 - [77] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Yup. The Gallente get More Armor, Passive Reps, More EHP (barely, but still), two Armor resistances that add up to a better resistance percentage because they have more armor, and More Speed. The Amarr Get... 35 more shields, and some extra stamina. I don't see any good reason to use Amarrian Suits over Gallente ones... Amarr get a better resist against the HMG. They can brick tank quite well. Despite being the slowest Sentinel, the Stamina and Stamina regen make them good for Speed fit. The Gallente Sentinel will be good, but I am not convinced that it will be better than the Amarr Sentinel. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 93	Posted - 2014.02.27 18:51:00 - [78] - Quote Just realized Topic is spelled wrong. Should read "gallente" Not "gallante" Heavies need the defense skill. Nuff said. Unless you have a logi Atm, you're boned. and All suits should be able to function solo, Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1235	Posted - 2014.02.27 18:53:00 - [79] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Yup. The Gallente get More Armor, Passive Reps, More EHP (barely, but still), two Armor resistances that add up to a better resistance percentage because they have more armor, and More Speed. The Amarr Get... 35 more shields, and some extra stamina. I don't see any good reason to use Amarrian Suits over Gallente ones... Amarr get a better resist against the HMG. They can brick tank quite well. Despite being the slowest Sentinel, the Stamina and Stamina regen make them good for Speed fit. The Gallente Sentinel will be good, but I am not convinced that it will be better than the Amarr Sentinel. Foxy you forgot that the Amarr Sentinel is getting the basic frame's slot layout- 2 highs at proto = a major damage advantage over the Gal sentinel.


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