Your idea is good but won't it be better, if the matachmaker matched players up with similar Gear variants on all Modes?

You would limit the gear used, thats the key. Matchmaking by SP or KDR doesnt work. I could have 20mil SP points and be a terrible player without any isk and thus using only basic stuff, or by KDR that would mean that all the logibros would never face assault or heavy players, for example.

Your method is similar for example you put:

"Pick Ambush----> Standard Gear and below."

Which case people would play this mode more because it's standard gear & mlt only. & most people would have to rely on their Skills to do the work.

But the reason i'm saying to put MM players with others using same variant type (MLT, Standard etc) is so to balance it out on all modes, because restricting people to use certain gear variants to play a specific mode isn't right.

No, that was just an example.
You would Pick Ambush, and then pick whatever gear you wanted to use. I will edit my post for clarity, thank you

The thing is, you can always change gear and suit in a match. That suggestion would check their favorite suit and see what meta level it would be, then it would match it with similar players. But then in a match you can always change to a better one and viceversa, we would need some mechanism that would prevent changing to a better suit than the allowed one in the map.

Yep, i hope someone is reading this. I cant think of another solution to prevent the current state of public matches.

i'm wondering if we should do the same with Factional Contracts?

i'm wondering if we should do the same with Factional Contracts?

Great idea....

Let's give full squads of the games best players the ability to join matches where all the most inexperienced players are forced to play. This would help balance tremendously.



Now in all seriousness, I was hoping I'd seen the last "sort matches by gear" thread. Your suggestion would only further imbalance matchmaking! Squads of experienced players will always stomp matches when facing a team of un-squadded blueberries.

In fact, a while back me and some other members of my corp formed an all militia/basic squad and ran pubs, and we ended up rolling through most of the matches easily, only running into trouble when we faced a full enemy squad on the other team.


The best way to balance matchmaking would be to somewhat balance the average SP levels of both team. That way, the teams would be somewhat equally experienced, and overall have the same level of gear available to each team.

Great idea....

Let's give full squads of the games best players the ability to join matches where all the most inexperienced players are forced to play. This would help balance tremendously.

Tldr

I think the idea has merit, maybe even a mode where you preload suits and those are the only ones you can use. The game would then match players based of meta of loaded suits. So your idea basically, with a little twist.

With your main idea would you then only have access to the level of gear you specified? Kinda like go into different sec space is eve. You choose which areas you travel though.

Great idea....

Let's give full squads of the games best players the ability to join matches where all the most inexperienced players are forced to play. This would help balance tremendously.



Now in all seriousness, I was hoping I'd seen the last "sort matches by gear" thread. Your suggestion would only further imbalance matchmaking! Squads of experienced players will always stomp matches when facing a team of un-squadded blueberries.

In fact, a while back me and some other members of my corp formed an all militia/basic squad and ran pubs, and we ended up rolling through most of the matches easily, only running into trouble when we faced a full enemy squad on the other team.


The best way to balance matchmaking would be to somewhat balance the average SP levels of both team. That way, the teams would be somewhat equally experienced, and overall have the same level of gear available to each team.

20mil SP and I'm a decent player at best so your suggestion would most likely f me over (player skill wise)

Generate a dynamic number based on wp/match and kdr. Call it "Rank."

Balance the teams based on that system. The sum of each player's rank would be the team rank. Teams with a significantly unbalanced rank will have to reallocate non-squaded players or a squad itself.

Basically, the system would look at Nyain San, see they're fighting a bunch of noobs, then group the noobiest noobs with Nyain San. If a balance can not be reached the party might drop/add players (pre-launch) so that Nyain San might be pitted against a formidable team.

I know my system is far from perfect, but I stand by it. This would be a great start to ending the matchmaking nightmare.

Great idea....

Let's give full squads of the games best players the ability to join matches where all the most inexperienced players are forced to play. This would help balance tremendously.



Now in all seriousness, I was hoping I'd seen the last "sort matches by gear" thread. Your suggestion would only further imbalance matchmaking! Squads of experienced players will always stomp matches when facing a team of un-squadded blueberries.

In fact, a while back me and some other members of my corp formed an all militia/basic squad and ran pubs, and we ended up rolling through most of the matches easily, only running into trouble when we faced a full enemy squad on the other team.


The best way to balance matchmaking would be to somewhat balance the average SP levels of both team. That way, the teams would be somewhat equally experienced, and overall have the same level of gear available to each team.

However there is the problem of one super experienced player squadded up with an entire team of random....against a somewhat even team....the even team will win because in all honesty avoiding one badass player is not that hard and the even team will steamroll over the imbalanced one

Match Making will have to be determined on Skill Points.

if it was determined by gear then people could easily switch. Kill death ratio means nothing in this game

Either Life time Skill points or Life time War points is the only way honestly to get even match making.

im sorry, but we have already discussed this in posts above, you cannot matchmake based on SP, because quite simply more SP doesnt translate to any skill in combat. Because of passive SP you can have a player/character who never even once played the game. How fair is that? Imagine someone who hasnt played in 10 months (deployed in a warzone, medical situations, etc) comes back to Dust 514 and only goes against veteran players in proto suits? Not fair AT all.

Matchmaking based on WP wont work either, because for example a logibro can have tons of WP and completly suck in gun game, you can earn thousands of wp in a game without even killing anyone, do you think its fair this logistics player faces proto players with an amazing gun game? Doubt it.

It has to be matchmaking by Gear (where you decide the maximum meta level of gear you can go against in a match) or by something it was suggested before, a variable based on the sum or some kind of medium of all stats: KDR, SP, and WP.

So you are saying i should only be able to go into battle with certain kind of gear per game mode?

Its not my fault the guy that started the game 10 months ago stoped playing. he will still have x amount skill points to put in his core skills or where ever.

Yeah Logi do get alot of wp but at the same time who fault is that? They are the ones that spam droplinks so they can get even more skill points and upgrade. please stop acting like these people are just sitting on there skill points and not using them.

No. I was thrown into the fire and learned so should everyone else. I understand the sections that you want to implement. but if a person can only use MLT or basic because that is all they got then they should be put in together automatically.

Not with someone that has 15 million skill points but wants to only run MLT gear....That person will still mop the floor with a person. I can jump in a frontline suit and still do fairly decent just as if i was in proto..

Its not the gear people are using. its the experience they have in the game.

Yes i can see your point, and i do agree to some of it, which brings me to another problem we have, the new player experience. New players get out of Academy too damn soon, im my opinion.

Well, it really is a different game, with all the economy, gear, rpg stuff. Once they are out of academy they are literally trown into the wolves, unless you have the fortune of joining a corp, that helps.

Yes, i understand, something like ranks. Lower ranks wont acess high rank matches but will have low isk payback. High ranks can acess all ranks but will only be interested in doing high rank matches because of the isk involved.

YES. but you should not be able to go to a lower tier. Then the new players will see they have to same gear as the opponent but still be discouraged because they just got murked and keep getting murked.

SP, ISK, WP are all a bonus. i play this game cause when i kill someone i want to feel like i accomplished something. but you will still get pub stompers but they would just be in MLT. I can say with confidence because look at some people here in the community that get off on killing lesser opponents and think they are good *cough* tankers *cough*

I see a problem there, imagine i want to use some kinda gun or suit that isnt proto or like in my original post, run a all militia event for my corp. You would be restricted to the hight tiers with the dangers involved. I still think the paycheck at the end of a match would be a discouragement for a proto user to go into low rank matches.

Yeah they wont make as much ISK. but they are in MLT anyway there is no risk. you will still have people in there just to murder people so they can geek and laugh about it

Matchmaking by SP is a terrible idea. Dont forget that having more SP doesnt actually mean you are a damn good player. You can have millions of SP without even actually playing once.

Firstly, get the idea out of your head that you can ever balance "player skill" of both teams. Not possible.

Second, isn't your post suggesting to force the same level of gear on all players in pub matches? Because you do realize SP is what determines what gear is available to each player/team right?

I don't know how to explain this any clearer, but forcing the same suits on everyone is a very bad idea.

Can you imagine if I were to form a full squad of AE, and we decided to hop into the militia room (where all the newest, most inexperienced, un-squadded newberries are forced to play) You think this would be balanced?

They should base it on lifetime skillpoints

Nope, if you think about it there is lots of problems with that.

Suggestion:

Pick a game mode, then pick the maximum meta level of gear used in the match. This would avoid the current state of protostomping and it would balance a match. If you want to go proto, you would face players who also picked proto. And viceversa. Obviously rewards would be scaled according to gear. And from Varjac Theobroma Montenegro comes this great idea of establishing something similar to how sec space works on Eve, albeit diferent from what i propose, it would also be something good at matching games by gear.

Example:

Pick Domination----> Pick Any you wanted gear and below. (example Domination--> Basic gear or Domination-->Advanced gear)


Pick Skirmish----> Pick Any gear and below.


Pick Ambush----> Any Gear and below.


We all know that proto gear is hindering the balance of matches, even worse when a squad fields it entirely. I myself used proto in matches and honestly felt bad when we overpowered the enemy team. But matchmaking as it stands doesnt work, and whatever you say or contradict this with the normal arguments of "oh if i can field it, i can use it!" or "HTFU", you know that deep down, if we had balance in gear, the matches would be more intense, fair, exciting and wouldnt almost expell new players or corps who didnt had the luxury of exploiting PC and thus ensuring you had isk for protostomping public matches.

Thank you for your time reading this.

Match making cant work on dust, the system is contract based & mercs fill the spaces in a contract & the player base is simply to small to justify the divide between players who want to play together.

They should base it on lifetime skillpoints

actually it would work and make sense because the people hiring the mercs would be able to review a record of the mercs as far as their wp, kd/r, and win loss ratio (algorithms to separate them) and wouldn't want to pay to send out mercs that will be nearly guaranteed lose. Although, with the small player base it would have to not be a very strict system and might be best to just be left out. --- REALISTIC AND BALANCED IDEA

As for the particular system proposed by this threat, it is unrealistic and does have some problems shared by others on this thread

Dust 514 is a part of the Eve universe it was never supposed to be fair. Gear restriction has no place here. The economy is supposed to bring balance in the game modes. But the economy right now is broken, mainly becouse PC.

Dust is not a tournament, it is not e sports, it is a part of the eve universe.

I think you better read all the replies and posts on this topic, as i said, gear restriction COULD be implemented as Sec space on eve, high sec for safe mil and std matches, med sec for adv and below, and low sec for proto and below. CCP needs to do something about this or the game will die for new players. Everyone can see that. Either those who dont want this to change want the game to die or there is some hidden agend. Ppl will prefer this game to die before removing their protostomping ability, FACT

We've only been asking for this for over a year. I don't know why you get the recognition out of the 20 times I and others have put a thread on about this, but oh well. At least it's getting noticed now.

If there were some way to pick which contract and side you are on in a battle it would make more sense. This thought that matchmaking should be done by gear alone is ridiculous. Someone able to use a proto nanohive (310,000SP at lv 5) but not their proto logisuit or proto AR/SCR/CR/Shotgun/Armor plates/Shield Extenders/KinCats etc would be able to proto some of their gear but not necessarily be effective unless they were focused in their skill planning. This is a terribad idea.