DUST Search - Turret proficiency not working

Vegetation Monster wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time.

We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds.

If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference.

CCP, gimme my skill! Evil

EDIT: More info on tests. First video is my tank that I called in, with a proto rail gun on it. made a 360 in ~18 seconds. Turn starts at 0:06 for those wishing to time it.

Second video is two sicas, one called in by ratamaq, and one called in by me. Both have militia turrets. Both took ~18 seconds to complete a turn. With my proficiency, I should be seeing ~12-13 seconds, if my math is right. In any case, a very noticeable difference.

First Video.

Second Video.

railguns take no skill so you should get no skill...

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Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 710	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:29:00 - [1] - Quote I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time. We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds. If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference. CCP, gimme my skill! First Video. Second Video. Best PVE idea I've seen.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2169	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:55:00 - [2] - Quote bump. No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding. Proud member of RND
CR4SH OVERRIDE 91	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:56:00 - [3] - Quote BUMP... was about to skill into this... guess there is no need now! Shhhh. it's a secret.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 882	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:02:00 - [4] - Quote Only thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work on militia turrets. Could be totally wrong on that so don't hold me to it as I'm only going on what I think I remember. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
Cinder Integ Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 121	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:02:00 - [5] - Quote thanks for the heads up ... bump Trading Carrots for Isk! Come and Get em!
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 154	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:03:00 - [6] - Quote Being a DS pilot rail users are the bane of my existence. That said, if we skill it, you provide it CCP, that's the deal. BUMP! Not new, just new to you.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11257	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:30:00 - [7] - Quote Bump for great justice Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Shooty Dangerman One Bad Dude 8	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:40:00 - [8] - Quote The fact that this has just been discovered worries me greatly. It would be really nice if one of the big corps could get together and just test out all of the skills and game mechanics to make sure everything's working correctly. I have a feeling they'd discover a lot more issues.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 594	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:46:00 - [9] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time. We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds. If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference. CCP, gimme my skill! First Video. Second Video. I thought something was funny with them! I'm so happy you tested this. Did you by chance test the other turret types out? Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 473	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:59:00 - [10] - Quote Question - Who called in the Tanks? Did you call in one Tank and Ratamaq call in another or did you or a third party call in both? I ask because it may be that the turret proficiency bonus is tied to the vehicle itself rather than the person piloting. If this is the case then calling in 2 tanks from the same person would result in proficiency being equal for both, which would cause what you're seeing here. Please expand on the method in which you used to test this. Edit : Small Railgun Turret proficiency works having tested it with other members in the LAV Research channel. Saga v. Methana Balance

BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 564	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:59:00 - [11] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time. We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds. If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference. CCP, gimme my skill! First Video. Second Video. we know Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 971	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:01:00 - [12] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) Quite true. However, I never expected it to actually work. You need Prof lvl 4 to enable Optimization (IIRC). Welcome to Dust514 And so it goes.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 733	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:06:00 - [13] - Quote Modifying the OP with more info on the test. Best PVE idea I've seen.
Vegetation Monster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 155	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:26:00 - [14] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time. We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds. If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference. CCP, gimme my skill! EDIT: More info on tests. First video is my tank that I called in, with a proto rail gun on it. made a 360 in ~18 seconds. Turn starts at 0:06 for those wishing to time it. Second video is two sicas, one called in by ratamaq, and one called in by me. Both have militia turrets. Both took ~18 seconds to complete a turn. With my proficiency, I should be seeing ~12-13 seconds, if my math is right. In any case, a very noticeable difference. First Video. Second Video. railguns take no skill so you should get no skill... B Double O T Y
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 415	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:27:00 - [15] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Question - Who called in the Tanks? Did you call in one Tank and Ratamaq call in another or did you or a third party call in both? I ask because it may be that the turret proficiency bonus is tied to the vehicle itself rather than the person piloting. If this is the case then calling in 2 tanks from the same person would result in proficiency being equal for both, which would cause what you're seeing here. Please expand on the method in which you used to test this. Edit : Small Railgun Turret proficiency works having tested it with other members in the LAV Research channel. I called in mine, he called in his. YouTube 30D Recruiting
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 301	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:01:00 - [16] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time. We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds. If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference. CCP, gimme my skill! EDIT: More info on tests. First video is my tank that I called in, with a proto rail gun on it. made a 360 in ~18 seconds. Turn starts at 0:06 for those wishing to time it. Second video is two sicas, one called in by ratamaq, and one called in by me. Both have militia turrets. Both took ~18 seconds to complete a turn. With my proficiency, I should be seeing ~12-13 seconds, if my math is right. In any case, a very noticeable difference. First Video. Second Video. railguns take no skill so you should get no skill... Please just shut up. The mechanics of a skill are not working as advertised, this has nothing to do with your opinion on whether or not Rail Guns take skill or not. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2776	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:20:00 - [17] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Question - Who called in the Tanks? Did you call in one Tank and Ratamaq call in another or did you or a third party call in both? I ask because it may be that the turret proficiency bonus is tied to the vehicle itself rather than the person piloting. If this is the case then calling in 2 tanks from the same person would result in proficiency being equal for both, which would cause what you're seeing here. Please expand on the method in which you used to test this. Edit : Small Railgun Turret proficiency works having tested it with other members in the LAV Research channel. [Confirmed] The turret proficiency skills seem to apply fine for small turrets. I often use a Python with a side gunner and since I have skilled small missile proficiency to level 2; they say that its very noticeable. Also :: The vehicle skills does'nt matter who called it in, the skills/stats are always updated to who ever is piloting the HAV, LAV or Derpship. Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 199	Posted - 2014.02.22 17:37:00 - [18] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: [quote=Foundation Seldon] Also :: The vehicle skills does'nt matter who called it in, the skills/stats are always updated to who ever is piloting the HAV, LAV or Derpship. Can you do a test to see if they stack for gunner and pilot? Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2784	Posted - 2014.02.22 19:20:00 - [19] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Can you do a test to see if they stack for gunner and pilot? Already tested and no, they dont stack anymore :( Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2585	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:35:00 - [20] - Quote CCP just proved again less than 0.01Gäà of us have any about what the hell is going on in DUST. I feel like they do this on purpose. There must be a method in their madness, right? Amarr Victor

KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 974	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:26:00 - [21] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Can you do a test to see if they stack for gunner and pilot? Already tested and no, they dont stack anymore :( No gunner stats work in 1.7, that was known the first day. I don't recall if it was a post or a test like this post started with. My gunner/heavy hasn't put a single point into vehicles/upgrades/turrets. Everything comes from the Builder of the tank. Not even the driver as far as I have been able to determine. This is radically different from the golden measure of EVE where a scrub cannot steal a ship they cannot fly. Which is even more confusing when they are forcing Dust514 to become a very restrictive game much like EVE is. Weird. And so it goes.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 974	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:29:00 - [22] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: -- videos of failure of turret proficiency skill -- Alena, I retested with a stop watch a day or so ago and recalled your post. There is No Difference between a Militia Rail Gun Turret, a Rail Gun or a Particle Accelerator. They all turn the same 17-18 seconds with Large Rail Gun proficiency at level 3. Hardly see a reason to past 3 as it is needed for Optimization. Thanks for bringing this up. Maybe something will come of it - eventually. And so it goes.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 890	Posted - 2014.02.23 12:41:00 - [23] - Quote Is it working for blasters? Sure seems like it. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 766	Posted - 2014.02.26 08:13:00 - [24] - Quote Bumping, because I'm tired of having to turn my tank to track somas up close. Best PVE idea I've seen.
Pipsa Possu Rautaleijona Top Men. 44	Posted - 2014.02.26 11:24:00 - [25] - Quote On my own experience (haven't clocked it though) the large missile turret proficiency skill seems to be working as intended. Couple of weeks ago with no skill turning the large missile turret was very painful as it is the slowest of the turrets. Nowadays that I have the skill level 3 it turns faster than the Railgun which I don't have the proficiency skill.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 416	Posted - 2014.02.26 17:44:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Logibro acknowledged this problem and says a fix should be incoming in 1.8. Should be a lot of suddenly terrifying turrets. note: His link in the thread links to the wrong thread, i.e. not this thread. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 769	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:53:00 - [27] - Quote Sweet. This thread can die now. Best PVE idea I've seen.
ratamaq doc Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 451	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:08:00 - [28] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Sweet. This thread can die now. Yea man, mission accomplished. YouTube 30D Recruiting
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 418	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:47:00 - [29] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: turn my tank to track somas up close. Haha, I didn't see this. This is exactly what I do in a blaster tank when I manage to get close to a rail tank. A lot of rail tankers don't realize it's faster to turn the tank than it is to turn the turret (which will always put a practical limit on turret rotation nerfs - if it ever gets slower to turn my turret than turn my tank, I'll just turn the tank.) On that note! I hate that the acceleration and turning are on the same stick. It makes it hard for me to pivot in place to get around tight spaces. Also a few questions! Are the values for turret rotation in the SDE? Do turret skills effect turrets on installations? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 902	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:05:00 - [30] - Quote Bumping this thread because of lack of patch notes signifying the bug being fixed. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.

Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 999	Posted - 2014.03.25 22:34:00 - [31] - Quote Bump again, because the fix for this in 1.8 mentioned here was not implemented. Will keep this bumped for visibility. CCP please respond. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
IceShifter Childhaspawn Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 472	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:17:00 - [32] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: CCP just proved again less than 0.01Gäà of us have any about what the hell is going on in DUST. I feel like they do this on purpose. There must be a method in their madness, right? 1. Pick up ant farm 2. Shaking it REALLY REALLY hard. 3. Repeat step 2, if you have reached step 3 already, repeat until you are tired of the QQ 4. See what the ants do. CCP Logibro is awesome.
SteelDark Knight Dirt Nap Squad. 268	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:14:00 - [33] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Bump again, because the fix for this in 1.8 mentioned here was not implemented. Will keep this bumped for visibility. CCP please respond. Crap, was getting ready to test this. Based on this statement I assume no fix was implemented. Great.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 795	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:17:00 - [34] - Quote It seems even worse now. It seems much slower than it was before. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 874	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:31:00 - [35] - Quote I'd love to here how the scheduled fix didn't make it into the patch. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 1206	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:18:00 - [36] - Quote Bump. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
Nulldust Codex Troopers 12	Posted - 2014.04.22 15:20:00 - [37] - Quote I had the small missile turret rotation at level 4 but it's still slow. I don't know if the upgrade is registered but I'd posted a feedback a couple of weeks back that this turret upgrade costs a SP BOMB but don't make much if any difference and if CCP would let the heavy dropsuit rotation speed with no limit for whatever reason why put the limit on especially the small turret for the same whatever reason. (I surmise CCP removed the rotation speed limit on heavy dropsuits to let the dropsuit less clunky and funner to play and I approve.) Now if it's true the upgrade is not registered, that'd explain why it's so slow. Good of the OP for showing the before and after timings. CCP should look at the small turret as well as the large turret.


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