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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2014.02.19 20:29:00 -
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I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time.
We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds.
If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference.
CCP, gimme my skill!
First Video.
Second Video.
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N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
2169
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Posted - 2014.02.20 20:55:00 -
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bump.
No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding.
Proud member of RND
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CR4SH OVERRIDE
91
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Posted - 2014.02.20 20:56:00 -
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BUMP... was about to skill into this... guess there is no need now!
Shhhh. it's a secret.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence. EoN.
882
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:02:00 -
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Only thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work on militia turrets. Could be totally wrong on that so don't hold me to it as I'm only going on what I think I remember.
Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
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Cinder Integ
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
121
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:02:00 -
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thanks for the heads up ... bump
Trading Carrots for Isk! Come and Get em!
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Lanius Pulvis
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
154
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:03:00 -
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Being a DS pilot rail users are the bane of my existence. That said, if we skill it, you provide it CCP, that's the deal.
BUMP!
Not new, just new to you.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
11257
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:30:00 -
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Bump for great justice
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Shooty Dangerman
One Bad Dude
8
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:40:00 -
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The fact that this has just been discovered worries me greatly.
It would be really nice if one of the big corps could get together and just test out all of the skills and game mechanics to make sure everything's working correctly. I have a feeling they'd discover a lot more issues. |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
594
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:46:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time. We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds. If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference. CCP, gimme my skill! First Video.Second Video.
I thought something was funny with them! I'm so happy you tested this.
Did you by chance test the other turret types out?
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Foundation Seldon
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
473
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:59:00 -
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Question -
Who called in the Tanks?
Did you call in one Tank and Ratamaq call in another or did you or a third party call in both? I ask because it may be that the turret proficiency bonus is tied to the vehicle itself rather than the person piloting. If this is the case then calling in 2 tanks from the same person would result in proficiency being equal for both, which would cause what you're seeing here.
Please expand on the method in which you used to test this.
Edit : Small Railgun Turret proficiency works having tested it with other members in the LAV Research channel.
Saga v. Methana Balance
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BAD FURRY
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
564
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:59:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time. We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds. If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference. CCP, gimme my skill! First Video.Second Video.
we know
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
971
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:01:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) Quite true.
However, I never expected it to actually work. You need Prof lvl 4 to enable Optimization (IIRC).
Welcome to Dust514
And so it goes.
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:06:00 -
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Modifying the OP with more info on the test.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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Vegetation Monster
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:26:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time. We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds. If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference. CCP, gimme my skill! EDIT: More info on tests. First video is my tank that I called in, with a proto rail gun on it. made a 360 in ~18 seconds. Turn starts at 0:06 for those wishing to time it. Second video is two sicas, one called in by ratamaq, and one called in by me. Both have militia turrets. Both took ~18 seconds to complete a turn. With my proficiency, I should be seeing ~12-13 seconds, if my math is right. In any case, a very noticeable difference. First Video.Second Video.
railguns take no skill so you should get no skill...
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ratamaq doc
Edge Regiment
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:27:00 -
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Foundation Seldon wrote:Question -
Who called in the Tanks?
Did you call in one Tank and Ratamaq call in another or did you or a third party call in both? I ask because it may be that the turret proficiency bonus is tied to the vehicle itself rather than the person piloting. If this is the case then calling in 2 tanks from the same person would result in proficiency being equal for both, which would cause what you're seeing here.
Please expand on the method in which you used to test this.
Edit : Small Railgun Turret proficiency works having tested it with other members in the LAV Research channel.
I called in mine, he called in his.
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Supernus Gigas
Star Giants
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Posted - 2014.02.20 23:01:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:I have proficiency 3 in large railguns. I see no turret rotation improvement over someone who has no proficiency (tested with ratamaq doc) The first video is me rotating by myself. You can time it (18 seconds) and get a no skills alt and time it against mine. We also recorded us using sicas facing each other with both of us finishing a 360 circle at the same time. We timed a 360 rotation at ~17-18 seconds. With my proficiency, I should rotate a 360 in ~11-12 seconds. If you don't believe me, go test your time against the video footage. There's no difference. CCP, gimme my skill! EDIT: More info on tests. First video is my tank that I called in, with a proto rail gun on it. made a 360 in ~18 seconds. Turn starts at 0:06 for those wishing to time it. Second video is two sicas, one called in by ratamaq, and one called in by me. Both have militia turrets. Both took ~18 seconds to complete a turn. With my proficiency, I should be seeing ~12-13 seconds, if my math is right. In any case, a very noticeable difference. First Video.Second Video. railguns take no skill so you should get no skill...
Please just shut up. The mechanics of a skill are not working as advertised, this has nothing to do with your opinion on whether or not Rail Guns take skill or not.
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2776
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Posted - 2014.02.22 11:20:00 -
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Foundation Seldon wrote:Question -
Who called in the Tanks?
Did you call in one Tank and Ratamaq call in another or did you or a third party call in both? I ask because it may be that the turret proficiency bonus is tied to the vehicle itself rather than the person piloting. If this is the case then calling in 2 tanks from the same person would result in proficiency being equal for both, which would cause what you're seeing here.
Please expand on the method in which you used to test this.
Edit : Small Railgun Turret proficiency works having tested it with other members in the LAV Research channel.
[Confirmed] The turret proficiency skills seem to apply fine for small turrets. I often use a Python with a side gunner and since I have skilled small missile proficiency to level 2; they say that its very noticeable.
Also :: The vehicle skills does'nt matter who called it in, the skills/stats are always updated to who ever is piloting the HAV, LAV or Derpship.
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NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
199
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Posted - 2014.02.22 17:37:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:[quote=Foundation Seldon]
Also :: The vehicle skills does'nt matter who called it in, the skills/stats are always updated to who ever is piloting the HAV, LAV or Derpship.
Can you do a test to see if they stack for gunner and pilot?
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.22 19:20:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:Can you do a test to see if they stack for gunner and pilot?
Already tested and no, they dont stack anymore :(
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
2585
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:35:00 -
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CCP just proved again less than 0.01Gäà of us have any about what the hell is going on in DUST.
I feel like they do this on purpose. There must be a method in their madness, right?
Amarr Victor
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
974
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Posted - 2014.02.23 11:26:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:Can you do a test to see if they stack for gunner and pilot? Already tested and no, they dont stack anymore :( No gunner stats work in 1.7, that was known the first day. I don't recall if it was a post or a test like this post started with.
My gunner/heavy hasn't put a single point into vehicles/upgrades/turrets. Everything comes from the Builder of the tank. Not even the driver as far as I have been able to determine.
This is radically different from the golden measure of EVE where a scrub cannot steal a ship they cannot fly. Which is even more confusing when they are forcing Dust514 to become a very restrictive game much like EVE is. Weird.
And so it goes.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
974
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Posted - 2014.02.23 11:29:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote: -- videos of failure of turret proficiency skill -- Alena, I retested with a stop watch a day or so ago and recalled your post.
There is No Difference between a Militia Rail Gun Turret, a Rail Gun or a Particle Accelerator. They all turn the same 17-18 seconds with Large Rail Gun proficiency at level 3. Hardly see a reason to past 3 as it is needed for Optimization.
Thanks for bringing this up. Maybe something will come of it - eventually.
And so it goes.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence. EoN.
890
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Posted - 2014.02.23 12:41:00 -
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Is it working for blasters? Sure seems like it.
Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
766
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Posted - 2014.02.26 08:13:00 -
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Bumping, because I'm tired of having to turn my tank to track somas up close.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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Pipsa Possu
Rautaleijona Top Men.
44
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Posted - 2014.02.26 11:24:00 -
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On my own experience (haven't clocked it though) the large missile turret proficiency skill seems to be working as intended. Couple of weeks ago with no skill turning the large missile turret was very painful as it is the slowest of the turrets. Nowadays that I have the skill level 3 it turns faster than the Railgun which I don't have the proficiency skill. |
Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University Ivy League
416
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Posted - 2014.02.26 17:44:00 -
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CCP Logibro acknowledged this problem and says a fix should be incoming in 1.8. Should be a lot of suddenly terrifying turrets.
note: His link in the thread links to the wrong thread, i.e. not this thread.
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
769
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Posted - 2014.02.26 19:53:00 -
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Sweet. This thread can die now.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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ratamaq doc
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
451
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:08:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Sweet. This thread can die now.
Yea man, mission accomplished.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University Ivy League
418
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:47:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:turn my tank to track somas up close.
Haha, I didn't see this. This is exactly what I do in a blaster tank when I manage to get close to a rail tank. A lot of rail tankers don't realize it's faster to turn the tank than it is to turn the turret (which will always put a practical limit on turret rotation nerfs - if it ever gets slower to turn my turret than turn my tank, I'll just turn the tank.)
On that note! I hate that the acceleration and turning are on the same stick. It makes it hard for me to pivot in place to get around tight spaces.
Also a few questions!
Are the values for turret rotation in the SDE?
Do turret skills effect turrets on installations?
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
902
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Posted - 2014.03.20 22:05:00 -
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Bumping this thread because of lack of patch notes signifying the bug being fixed.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
Fixed link.
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