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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.02.19 09:43:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Does everything need to be the master of certain skills?
Yes, the Gal Scout can be made superior to the Min, but not in all area's at once. As a complete package the Min is very good. It allows a good mix of passive skills which can be built on.
Personally I say the Min scout is more adaptive to different situations. Find random lone guy - knife him Need to take pressure off an objective - hack tons of stuff fast Team needs better intel - use mix of passive + active scanners to assist. - All without needing to switch out fits
At the end of the day who really cares. All the scouts are getting better. As to fitting requirements. Do you really need the best of everything?
Yep, despite it's disadvantages, Min scout has one of the most unique and diverse bonus sets imho and what it lacks in fitting reqs I'll make up for with skill.
Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
Love the Art of War
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
668
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Posted - 2014.02.19 10:19:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:the biggest problem with minmitar is that it can't fit enough modules to be faster, have more EHP, and fit a cloak, due to pg constraints and a ludicrous pg cost on extenders. Withmax skills, the minmitar scout will only have 80 pg, with 3x complex extenders in the highs thats brought down to 47, with 2x kin cats thats brought down to 17, probably gonna fit a dampener because proto scanners will become much more prevalent, a basic cloak is 9pg at max skills, so now your only left with 8 pg to fit 1 eq, 1 sidearm, and 1 light weapon. 1 ishukone nova knives takes 8 pg.
Gallente, on the other hand has 96 pg with maxed out skills, can fit 3 kin cats to be faster than the aforementioned ninja fit, and has innate profile dampening, so it still has one more slot where it can fit an ADV plate and still be faster than a minmitar scout with 2x kin cats. (unless minmitar scouts are getting an inherent speed buff). Now, the gallente scout can fit a complex damage mod and a complex shield extender, putting the remaining pg at 96-((15*3)+5+11+9)=26 pg remaining. Now, they can fit a cloak and have 17 pg remaining for 1 eq, 1 SA, and 1 light, which is plenty. And, you have 3 hp/s for armor, are faster than a double kincatted minmitar, have more EHP, and more passive scan. Weapon+equipment combos could be- proxy scanner, k5 shotgun, and a SMG
If you are going to run your Minja with only Extenders you're going to screw yourself, those things are expensive and as you say you're PG hungry. Though you get to 81 PG, it does round up.
Plus running a Gal with 3 Kin Cats does make it Sprint faster than a dual kin cat minja by about 0.7 m/s. However, if the Gal equips an Adv or higher plate the Minnie wins. The Minnie will always win in base speed (kin cats only affect sprint) and thus always strafes faster. Plus the Minnie has more stamina and stamina regen.
In very few scenarios will Gals ever outrun a Minnie. If a Gal is trying to outrun a Minnie he's probably going to have less Ehp.
Minnies are going to be the ultimate speedsters who excel at capturing and defending points. They are going to tough to fit, much less variability than the Gal, but still have a place.
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N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
2151
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Posted - 2014.02.19 10:39:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote: the added scanning range on the Gallente suit is actually sex.
Gallente is just that good.
No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding.
Proud member of RND
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
3087
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:40:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:[quote=Smooth Assassin]So... i've been thinking to skill into minmatar since they're gonna get that 0.01 more speed than gallante in 1.8 and now that cloak is coming, that dampening will clearly be useless. Even if i put 2 shields and 4 kinetics i'd be less efficient... but the one thing i can't stand from minmatar is that physical appearance....
Scan dampening will never be useless, you will be able to hide during your cloaks cool down where other scouts cannot. You do realise every time you break cloak you have to wait 30 sec or more to cloak again don you?[/quote]
Link to proof?
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
3087
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:42:00 -
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NK Scout wrote:Brokerib wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:So... i've been thinking to skill into minmatar since they're gonna get that 0.01 more speed than gallante in 1.8 and now that cloak is coming, that dampening will clearly be useless. Even if i put 2 shields and 4 kinetics i'd be less efficient... but the one thing i can't stand from minmatar is that physical appearance.... Unless you're planning on running knives regularly the gallante is the more versatile scout. Even with the cloak the dampening bonus is extremely useful, and the increased scan range along with the base range buff will be godly. Stack a kin cat, cardio, precision enhancer and plate in low, with a shield and range enhancer in high and you'll be set. The mini wins out on base speed and hacking, and losses out substantially in visibility, survivability and longevity. That said, I'll still be running the Mini scout, but that's due to race loyalty a much as anything else. Why do people run gallente with armor reps? I facepalm so hard when peoppe dontnuse a rep...
Once again, your posts never make sense.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Yan Darn
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
240
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:46:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:So... i've been thinking to skill into minmatar since they're gonna get that 0.01 more speed than gallante in 1.8 and now that cloak is coming, that dampening will clearly be useless. Even if i put 2 shields and 4 kinetics i'd be less efficient... but the one thing i can't stand from minmatar is that physical appearance.... Scan dampening will never be useless, you will be able to hide during your cloaks cool down where other scouts cannot. You do realise every time you break cloak you have to wait 30 sec or more to cloak again don you?
Last I heard cloak will have an equivalent of a stamina bar + have 25% damp while active (which I assume is why Smooth mentioned it) - what needs clearing up is if the damp bonus only works while active, will it break a scan once you've been lit up?
You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
843
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Posted - 2014.02.19 13:45:00 -
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Yup, extra dampeners will be useless on non-Gal scouts. Please don't use them or skill up dampening at all. My Caldari scout won't be able to see you while you're cloaked, certainly not...
And what's this about the proto proximity scanner? Are you expecting it to work on a non-snapshot basis, or do you think it'll be more common because it has a short cooldown time and would be easier to spam? |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME
934
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:38:00 -
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Brokerib wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:So... i've been thinking to skill into minmatar since they're gonna get that 0.01 more speed than gallante in 1.8 and now that cloak is coming, that dampening will clearly be useless. Even if i put 2 shields and 4 kinetics i'd be less efficient... but the one thing i can't stand from minmatar is that physical appearance.... Unless you're planning on running knives regularly the gallante is the more versatile scout. Even with the cloak the dampening bonus is extremely useful, and the increased scan range along with the base range buff will be godly. Stack a kin cat, cardio, precision enhancer and plate in low, with a shield and range enhancer in high and you'll be set. The mini wins out on base speed and hacking, and losses out substantially in visibility, survivability and longevity. That said, I'll still be running the Mini scout, but that's due to race loyalty a much as anything else. Actually, the minmatar scout is more effective with the shotgun than the gallante, due to the speed and health.
Assassination is my thing.
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bully mong
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.24 14:39:00 -
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I wanna be golden....so amarr
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ALT2 acc
The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V.
100
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Posted - 2014.02.24 14:45:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:NK Scout wrote:Brokerib wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:So... i've been thinking to skill into minmatar since they're gonna get that 0.01 more speed than gallante in 1.8 and now that cloak is coming, that dampening will clearly be useless. Even if i put 2 shields and 4 kinetics i'd be less efficient... but the one thing i can't stand from minmatar is that physical appearance.... Unless you're planning on running knives regularly the gallante is the more versatile scout. Even with the cloak the dampening bonus is extremely useful, and the increased scan range along with the base range buff will be godly. Stack a kin cat, cardio, precision enhancer and plate in low, with a shield and range enhancer in high and you'll be set. The mini wins out on base speed and hacking, and losses out substantially in visibility, survivability and longevity. That said, I'll still be running the Mini scout, but that's due to race loyalty a much as anything else. Why do people run gallente with armor reps? I facepalm so hard when peoppe dontnuse a rep... Once again, your posts never make sense. Dont use armor tank suits without a damm rep Or use a min scout I swaer the idiocy on here...
Banned until the 10th
Reason: I said "feg"
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
582
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Posted - 2014.02.24 15:02:00 -
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Gallente Scout with 2 equipment slots is all i need, REs & Scanner FTW. Ive just got to the point were i am pretty much invisible. Proto next week... cant wait!
STB EU Director since October 2012.
STB EVE Pilot ; Vervz
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ALT2 acc
The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V.
102
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Posted - 2014.02.24 15:03:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:Gallente Scout with 2 equipment slots is all i need, REs & Scanner FTW. Ive just got to the point were i am pretty much invisible. Proto next week... cant wait! Dont use it in ambush now...
Banned until the 10th
Reason: I said "feg"
I lol'd so8 dammed hars, it's not even funny, oh wait, yes it is.
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.24 15:17:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Guinevere Bravo wrote:Gallente Scout with 2 equipment slots is all i need, REs & Scanner FTW. Ive just got to the point were i am pretty much invisible. Proto next week... cant wait! Dont use it in ambush now...
Granted its a little tougher when theres tanks about. But nothing like following a enemy tank using it for cover, then peeling off behind the enemy team and subsequently nailing said team with a shot gun.
STB EU Director since October 2012.
STB EVE Pilot ; Vervz
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
129
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Posted - 2014.02.24 16:08:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:So... i've been thinking to skill into minmatar since they're gonna get that 0.01 more speed than gallante in 1.8 and now that cloak is coming, that dampening will clearly be useless. Even if i put 2 shields and 4 kinetics i'd be less efficient... but the one thing i can't stand from minmatar is that physical appearance.... Scan dampening will never be useless, you will be able to hide during your cloaks cool down where other scouts cannot. You do realise every time you break cloak you have to wait 30 sec or more to cloak again don you?
Not sure if this is correct.
Thought it was explained that the cloak meter worked similar to stamina - So if you disengage but hadnt depleted it you could re-engage for the remaining duration.
But your point still stands about being dampened even when uncloaked though the change in scanners will make it easier to move whether cloaked or not.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Vesperz
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
44
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:14:00 -
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Meh, I'm fully skilled into minmatar scout, I speed tank and decimate unsuspecting shotgun fodder. Come 1.8 I'm still going minmatar, still going to speed tank... and wreck your **** up. Oh, and hacking your stuff, it belongs to me.
Live by honor, kill by stealth.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:18:00 -
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Vesperz wrote:Meh, I'm fully skilled into minmatar scout, I speed tank and decimate unsuspecting shotgun fodder. Come 1.8 I'm still going minmatar, still going to speed tank... and wreck your **** up. Oh, and hacking your stuff, it belongs to me. gallente will be a better speed tankerGǪ.and a better hit and run scoutGǪ..and have more EHPGǪ..and more damageGǪGǪall at the same damn time
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Scheherazade VII
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:22:00 -
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here's what i reckon will happen
ill spec into gallente scout based on what everybody is saying about the PG/CPU
then they'll buff the minmatar and ill wish I went for that one.
The sprint speed of the minmatar scout looks very appealing though. |
Vesperz
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
44
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:27:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:gallente will be a better speed tankerGǪ.and a better hit and run scoutGǪ..and have more EHPGǪ..and more damageGǪGǪall at the same damn time
Doesn't matter, it won't save them when I whisper sweet nothings in their ear and all they hear is "Slice!!" or "POP!" I'm cool with being the underdog, I thriiive on being underestimated!
Live by honor, kill by stealth.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:27:00 -
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well, if you like running a plasma cannon and a flay lock, and want to be scanned by proto scanners go minmitar for that .5 more sprint speed. everything else, go gallente
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:31:00 -
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Vesperz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:gallente will be a better speed tankerGǪ.and a better hit and run scoutGǪ..and have more EHPGǪ..and more damageGǪGǪall at the same damn time Doesn't matter, it won't save them when I whisper sweet nothings in their ear and all they hear is "Slice!!" or "POP!" I'm cool with being the underdog, I thriiive on being underestimated! yeah, i feel you, but stillGǪ..itd be nice to at least have more speed
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Vesperz
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
44
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:38:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:yeah, i feel you, but stillGǪ..itd be nice to at least have more speed Yup, that would be really nice.
Live by honor, kill by stealth.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:54:00 -
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Vesperz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:yeah, i feel you, but stillGǪ..itd be nice to at least have more speed Yup, that would be really nice. yeahGǪ.unfortunately, gal scouts are even faster than minmitar as well with 3x kin cats, the only way to beat them is to use 3 yourself, sacrificing dampening and the ability to have over 250 HP and still run a weapon that isn't a plasma cannon or flay lock
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Hunter Fencen
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:19:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Vesperz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:yeah, i feel you, but stillGǪ..itd be nice to at least have more speed Yup, that would be really nice. yeahGǪ.unfortunately, gal scouts are even faster than minmitar as well with 3x kin cats, the only way to beat them is to use 3 yourself, sacrificing dampening and the ability to have over 250 HP and still run a weapon that isn't a plasma cannon or flay lock
You all may have missed something very very subtle about minnie running, go and look at it. A gallente scout runs in a very smooth manner, simple to hit. However the minimitar one runs quite jagedly, almost laggigly. Makes it harder to hit if spotted. Anyway, you gallentes can keep your passive hiders. I'll be OHKing heavies with that sweet knife bonus. Cal just does appeal to my inner terrorist though, those passive scans remove the need for a scanner, more remotes, or cloak and remote. I've lived without cloaks so far, so good luck, and watch out, the assassins about |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:23:00 -
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Hunter Fencen wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Vesperz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:yeah, i feel you, but stillGǪ..itd be nice to at least have more speed Yup, that would be really nice. yeahGǪ.unfortunately, gal scouts are even faster than minmitar as well with 3x kin cats, the only way to beat them is to use 3 yourself, sacrificing dampening and the ability to have over 250 HP and still run a weapon that isn't a plasma cannon or flay lock You all may have missed something very very subtle about minnie running, go and look at it. A gallente scout runs in a very smooth manner, simple to hit. However the minimitar one runs quite jagedly, almost laggigly. Makes it harder to hit if spotted. Anyway, you gallentes can keep your passive hiders. I'll be OHKing heavies with that sweet knife bonus. Cal just does appeal to my inner terrorist though, those passive scans remove the need for a scanner, more remotes, or cloak and remote. I've lived without cloaks so far, so good luck, and watch out, the assassins about I've never noticed thatGǪill have to check it outGǪthanks though EDIT: are you sure its not just good players that have adapted to using a gimped suit that are purposefully adding tiny erratic movements to their running?
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:26:00 -
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Gallente for close-range stealth combat (Did you SEE their stats?) Minmatar for support in tight areas Amarr for support over open areas (or just bridging a gap before switching to minmatar) Caldari for long-range stealth combat (High slots up the ass)
I am your scan error.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:28:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Gallente for close-range stealth combat (Did you SEE their stats?) Minmatar for support in tight areas Amarr for support over open areas (or just bridging a gap before switching to minmatar) Caldari for long-range stealth combat (High slots up the ass) Gallente kinda takes over every other scouts role other than caldari thoughGǪthats a problem
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
365
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:40:00 -
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I don't give too much of a **** about the differences TBH, that hack bonus and NK damage is going to be FUN for me and I'll take fun over stat crunching any day of the week...I don't need to be the best, just have a good time.
Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
Love the Art of War
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Hunter Fencen
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:44:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Hunter Fencen wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Vesperz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:yeah, i feel you, but stillGǪ..itd be nice to at least have more speed Yup, that would be really nice. yeahGǪ.unfortunately, gal scouts are even faster than minmitar as well with 3x kin cats, the only way to beat them is to use 3 yourself, sacrificing dampening and the ability to have over 250 HP and still run a weapon that isn't a plasma cannon or flay lock You all may have missed something very very subtle about minnie running, go and look at it. A gallente scout runs in a very smooth manner, simple to hit. However the minimitar one runs quite jagedly, almost laggigly. Makes it harder to hit if spotted. Anyway, you gallentes can keep your passive hiders. I'll be OHKing heavies with that sweet knife bonus. Cal just does appeal to my inner terrorist though, those passive scans remove the need for a scanner, more remotes, or cloak and remote. I've lived without cloaks so far, so good luck, and watch out, the assassins about I've never noticed thatGǪill have to check it outGǪthanks though EDIT: are you sure its not just good players that have adapted to using a gimped suit that are purposefully adding tiny erratic movements to their running? Perhaps, but to me and some others it just seems to be be more jerky, gallente look good on paper however they have one problem-they're the everyman. Too much at once for too little. Cloaks gonna take up space, hiding from others is going to be good but lets face it, when it comes to crowds no scout ia lasting, especially with heavies being buffed. So now what do you have? A weaker logi suit thats invisible, good. BUT. heres the thing. The Caldari Scout CAN AND WILL see you, he will go faster because of shields and use his highs to kick your ass all over the floor. The Amarr will tank far better than you. No questions. You can outmove him slightly but lets face it, you have to get close to him as well, and his guns hurt. Now the minimitar, my old friend. These two have dueled for a long time. Being the only two scouts. You can overtake his role as a speedster, but then you sacrifice your health. You can outtank him, but then he'll run off out of your range. You can try to get the sneak on him, but he'll have had months of experience if he's an old minnie scout of being the hidden knifer, this will be you only hope but if he runs off theres **** all you can do. For me the minimitar was always the hunter assassin, the Nova's are a piece of art. Proto'd to full skills they can one shot anything. Nothing has resistance to them, so 100% damage 24/7. Whats yours is now mine too, loving the hack bonus. Listen well for my charge, PEKABOO, BEHIND YOU |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:45:00 -
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If your not using nova knifes dont use the minmatar scout That being said I plan on running a shotgun gallente scout in 1.8 |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:54:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:If your not using nova knifes dont use the minmatar scout That being said I plan on running a shotgun gallente scout in 1.8 they don't have space to fit knives too little pg, too much gimpablity
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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