DUST Search - Why do we have aim assist?

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

There are two types of aim assist commonly used in games.

There's a passive aim assist the DUST devs refer to as "aim friction" which most console games DON'T allow players to turn off. This is generally fairly unobtrusive, and all it does is make your turn speed reduce slightly while you have an enemy in your crosshairs. Sometimes it also makes you turn a TINY amount faster when turning towards an enemy, depending on the game.

The other aim assist is what people complain about, because it's an active auto-aiming system that turns towards an enemy (usually only while said enemy is moving relative to the player) and also tracks targets for you once you're on-target. This is referred to as "aim magnetism" and is where everyone got the rumours of "bullet magnetism" from, when that was actually the result of lag and not the shots curving around obstacles Wanted-style. In most console games, an aim assist toggle will ONLY affect this type of aim assist.

At the moment, the aim assist isn't TOO heavy-handed, especially compared with some of the previous builds of the game. A particular high point was the first attempt they made in beta, where the aim assist actively threw your aim off when targets moved, because it was trying to lead your shots even though you're using hitscan weaponry. That was fun.

EDIT: Bonus points for that one time I had a Scout jump in front of me just as I got a lock on a tank with a Swarm Launcher, and my aim got thrown 90 degrees off and sent my missiles into a wall instead of the target.

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Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 497	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:49:00 - [1] - Quote This isn't a rhetorical question or one that I was just going to answer myself to make a proposition, but seriously why do we have a mechanic that allows rapid fire spray and pray weapons to be deadly accurate? Wouldn't it make more sense to disallow this function and create a natural balance between weapons based on the aiming skill of the player? This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7232	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:52:00 - [2] - Quote Try playing BF4...Aim assist in that is really noticeable...... however recoil balances that out.....no recoil in Dust. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 257	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:54:00 - [3] - Quote Primary reasons would be because of framerate, lag, and hitbox issues. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1394	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:57:00 - [4] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Primary reasons would be because of framerate, lag, and hitbox issues. If those were such big issues the game would be unplayable without aim assist. Which it isn't. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 257	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:01:00 - [5] - Quote Personally I don't care either way. I wouldn't mind seeing aim assist go. I've played games for years without it on hard modes. I'll survive just fine. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5793	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:01:00 - [6] - Quote Aim assist is fairly common in console FPS'es. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 497	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:03:00 - [7] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Primary reasons would be because of framerate, lag, and hitbox issues. I guess it would make sense to compensate for stuff like this instead of trying to do the math on every bullet that comes out of a gun, but was there really that much of a problem with it in this game before aim assist came out? This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1423	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:04:00 - [8] - Quote it's a console FPS aim assist is common to the point of bordering on mandatory. I wont comment on whether or not that's a good thing but it's truth is undeniable. GÇ£The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.GÇ¥ ~ Kurt Vonnegut Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 497	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:10:00 - [9] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Aim assist is fairly common in console FPS'es. Lol I know, but why, why does it exist and why was it introduced into the game at all? The game existed without it, what was the reason it was put in the game? This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 497	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:12:00 - [10] - Quote "Because we've always done it" isn't a reason it's a cop out, if dust existed before aim assist and people could function fine without it then it's proof that console FPSs can and have existed without it, what sparked aim assist to be put in? This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.

Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1716	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:12:00 - [11] - Quote Because no one can aim? Patrick57 Carries us all Tanker Prof. V scrub Q_Q moar
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 257	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:13:00 - [12] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Primary reasons would be because of framerate, lag, and hitbox issues. I guess it would make sense to compensate for stuff like this instead of trying to do the math on every bullet that comes out of a gun, but was there really that much of a problem with it in this game before aim assist came out? I don't know about this game in terms of bullets, but considering I have zero problem with ADS ever it wouldn't make much difference to me. I've played things like Medal of Honor and real early COD games that didn't have aim assist and if they did, it was nowhere near what we have here in Dust lol. It can disappear. Maybe strafing will become fully useful again. I don't have aim assist in Borderlands or Borderlands 2 that I use lol. Works just fine. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 497	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:14:00 - [13] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Because no one can aim? I could aim before aim assist, lots of people could, just takes practice This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 511	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:19:00 - [14] - Quote the real question,why do you care so much about now when it's been in most console FPS for years? A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 55	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:23:00 - [15] - Quote Long story short. Because lots of people are horrible at aiming with a joystick, though I believe the given reason for this game is "To balance out the differences between KB/M and the DS3" I'd love to see it go, personally, even after they toned it down from the 1.4 patch, it's still pretty heavy. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 497	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:29:00 - [16] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Komodo Jones wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Primary reasons would be because of framerate, lag, and hitbox issues. I guess it would make sense to compensate for stuff like this instead of trying to do the math on every bullet that comes out of a gun, but was there really that much of a problem with it in this game before aim assist came out? I don't know about this game in terms of bullets, but considering I have zero problem with ADS ever it wouldn't make much difference to me. I've played things like Medal of Honor and real early COD games that didn't have aim assist and if they did, it was nowhere near what we have here in Dust lol. It can disappear. Maybe strafing will become fully useful again. I don't have aim assist in Borderlands or Borderlands 2 that I use lol. Works just fine. psychos also don't complain about getting gunned down from across the map lol But yeah from what I could see there were a few hit detection bugs that were probably fixed anyway, even so those are separate problems that aim assist isn't necessarily a solution for, if I turned off aim assist I probably wouldn't have any hit detection issues, personally I think I would have less. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4508	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:34:00 - [17] - Quote There are two types of aim assist commonly used in games. There's a passive aim assist the DUST devs refer to as "aim friction" which most console games DON'T allow players to turn off. This is generally fairly unobtrusive, and all it does is make your turn speed reduce slightly while you have an enemy in your crosshairs. Sometimes it also makes you turn a TINY amount faster when turning towards an enemy, depending on the game. The other aim assist is what people complain about, because it's an active auto-aiming system that turns towards an enemy (usually only while said enemy is moving relative to the player) and also tracks targets for you once you're on-target. This is referred to as "aim magnetism" and is where everyone got the rumours of "bullet magnetism" from, when that was actually the result of lag and not the shots curving around obstacles Wanted-style. In most console games, an aim assist toggle will ONLY affect this type of aim assist. At the moment, the aim assist isn't TOO heavy-handed, especially compared with some of the previous builds of the game. A particular high point was the first attempt they made in beta, where the aim assist actively threw your aim off when targets moved, because it was trying to lead your shots even though you're using hitscan weaponry. That was fun.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 497	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:34:00 - [18] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: the real question,why do you care so much about now when it's been in most console FPS for years? is it a epeen thing? That's meaningless to me because I don't play alot of console FPS, but I was around to see what the game was like before and after aim assist, I can see the difference and I'd like to go back to the way things were. The question still remains as to what the reason was to introduce aim assist into this game, what changed? Who raged on the forums about it not being in the game? This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 497	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:38:00 - [19] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Long story short. Because lots of people are horrible at aiming with a joystick, though I believe the given reason for this game is "To balance out the differences between KB/M and the DS3" I'd love to see it go, personally, even after they toned it down from the 1.4 patch, it's still pretty heavy. Not true, before aim assist I was able to pull stunts like getting 5 headshots in a row with the scrambler rifle, in other games, not FPS, I was able to point and click and get headshots within a quarter of a second of seeing someone using a controller, it might be harder for some people but at some point it can be just as powerful as using a mouse and the only thing stopping it from being any more or less capable is the turning speed difference. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 497	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:48:00 - [20] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: There are two types of aim assist commonly used in games. There's a passive aim assist the DUST devs refer to as "aim friction" which most console games DON'T allow players to turn off. This is generally fairly unobtrusive, and all it does is make your turn speed reduce slightly while you have an enemy in your crosshairs. Sometimes it also makes you turn a TINY amount faster when turning towards an enemy, depending on the game. The other aim assist is what people complain about, because it's an active auto-aiming system that turns towards an enemy (usually only while said enemy is moving relative to the player) and also tracks targets for you once you're on-target. This is referred to as "aim magnetism" and is where everyone got the rumours of "bullet magnetism" from, when that was actually the result of lag and not the shots curving around obstacles Wanted-style. In most console games, an aim assist toggle will ONLY affect this type of aim assist. At the moment, the aim assist isn't TOO heavy-handed, especially compared with some of the previous builds of the game. A particular high point was the first attempt they made in beta, where the aim assist actively threw your aim off when targets moved, because it was trying to lead your shots even though you're using hitscan weaponry. That was fun. EDIT: Bonus points for that one time I had a Scout jump in front of me just as I got a lock on a tank with a Swarm Launcher, and my aim got thrown 90 degrees off and sent my missiles into a wall instead of the target. the friction is definitely a plus especially with this game's apparent inability to make fine adjustment like with a sniper rifle. I don't have a problem with the game helping you put the reticule on your target but why does that mean you have to also have the ability to hipfire a high RoF weapon and land every shot? Yes it's not as bad as it used to be but it still exists, and alot more people used to speed tank, and just have other fits in general besides defense and damage tanked, then aim assist happened. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 1050	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:57:00 - [21] - Quote I've always been strongly against aim assist. It's for weaklings who think it takes skill to run around in heavy suits and rail rifles, not that my SCR doesn't eat them alive leaving them with holy crap stains in their undergarments. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican! Now a level 1 forum warrior.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 498	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:58:00 - [22] - Quote I still haven't gotten an answer to my original question, why? This game didn't have aim assist, then it did, the game functioned fine before aim assist, why was it introduced? So far the only answer I've had is "well because...that's the way it's always been done, console FPS tradition blah blah blah"" This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 498	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:01:00 - [23] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: I've always been strongly against aim assist. It's for weaklings who think it takes skill to run around in heavy suits and rail rifles, not that my SCR doesn't eat them alive leaving them with holy crap stains in their undergarments. Crude, excellent visuals, great post! Can't argue with that This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1243	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:01:00 - [24] - Quote Because not everyone wants to be a thumb jockey tryhard nor should a game (esp. coming from CCP) be based on how well someone can shoot with a stupid joystick. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 498	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:08:00 - [25] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Because not everyone wants to be a thumb jockey tryhard nor should a game (esp. coming from CCP) be based on how well someone can shoot with a stupid joystick. A shooting game should definitely be based on your skill as a shooter, whether or not you're using a crutch is irrelevant you can still point and click without it. Why do you feel aim assist was necessary, or if not necessary at least why it was introduced? This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 716	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:40:00 - [26] - Quote I dislike it. Its for people with the worse aim in the history of guns. And for people who don't realize it has an off switch. Me. Had no idea about AA until this game. My first and only FFPS. Turn it off. To answer your question its for people who cant shoot and want to think they doing something while not trying anything different. And then rage when it doesn't work. Look up COD knife only vids you'll see what I mean. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 950	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:48:00 - [27] - Quote Because controllers are not as accurate as a M/KB Aim assist is to make console shooters feel like thier pc counter parts.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 454	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:12:00 - [28] - Quote So the real reason would be mouse and keyboard. It is because we have mouse and keyboard support. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 657	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:15:00 - [29] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: So the real reason would be mouse and keyboard. It is because we have mouse and keyboard support. Which would be more of an argument if we were in Chromosome build, but Uprising mouse support made mkb a poor choice for competitive play. Selling dust codes!
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 328	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:19:00 - [30] - Quote In DUST, the aim assist is not really aim assist. Its pure kill assist. Do the controls like MAG pls, ccp. Dexter307 wrote: Because controllers are not as accurate as a M/KB Aim assist is to make console shooters feel like thier pc counter parts. Aim assist is to make shooters feel like their pc counterparts? Your ignorant statement says alot about how many PC's youve played on with mouse and keyboard: None. http://www.twitch.tv/rnd_jungian/ In New Eden no one can hear you whine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FviNM



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