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Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 185	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:19:00 - [1] - Quote Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!!
The Attorney General 1990	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:24:00 - [2] - Quote If you q sync in pubs, you should feel bad because you are bad. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 369	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:26:00 - [3] - Quote Is it the same for a proto logi going 1/0 and finishing first over all? Is that protostomping too?
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 185	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:28:00 - [4] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: If you q sync in pubs, you should feel bad because you are bad. are you a fan because if you are you can have my autograph if you want theres no need to follow me around like this.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:29:00 - [5] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Is it the same for a proto logi going 1/0 and finishing first over all? Is that protostomping too? nope just a logi doing his job
The Attorney General 1993	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:31:00 - [6] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: are you a fan because if you are you can have my autograph if you want theres no need to follow me around like this. I don't follow scrubs, it just happens that you keep making stupid posts. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 431	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:32:00 - [7] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! reads checks corp checks alliance laughs so hard leaves Nothing like getting 10 proto stompers on 1 team.... 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7217	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:33:00 - [8] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! It happens in all kind of FPS games from BF to CoD the gaming world over "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Soldiersaint BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 726	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:33:00 - [9] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: If you q sync in pubs, you should feel bad because you are bad. the only fool here is you. Smart people group up to take the victory. stupid people like you just stand around looking like retards.
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 46	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:34:00 - [10] - Quote Is it soo hard to find another squad to go in with? Geez we found one and im only losing an average of 5 suits to the stompers instead of 11 OR SO. I even bring my own kleenex and pads for my bum. Adv. Commando, AR / swarm Adv. Sentinel, AR / HMG "I need More Ammo!!!"....."Medic!"

Soldiersaint BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 726	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:34:00 - [11] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! I have never been able to do this before but man is it cool! You and your team become invincible demons!
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 224	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:35:00 - [12] - Quote The problem is pubs are running like nullsec instead of high sec. Nothing wrong with running expensive gear or a massive team imo despite my own disdain for it.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 487	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:37:00 - [13] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! No, the problem is that q-syncing is usually done by older/larger corporations that will likely have a significant SP advantage over their opposition, which only further adds to the imbalance of the match. I'm not going to argue that q-synching is right or wrong, but I do want it to be known that the game needs to offer a "squad-free" version of the various match types to help the game grow. Just put yourself in a new player's shoes: "Hey, I'm fresh out of the academy...let me hop into a battle real quick. Oh, hey...the other team consists entirely of one corporation." I didn't know it was possible, but a month or so ago I dropped into a match where the enemy squad was ENTIRELY made up of What the French and their training corp (12 of them being from WTF proper.) Yeah, it went pretty much how you'd expect. Life is killing me.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 431	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:37:00 - [14] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! reads checks corp checks alliance laughs so hard leaves Nothing like getting 10 proto stompers on 1 team.... 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race*
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 674	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:47:00 - [15] - Quote Because a group of randoms squadded up via the squad finder is totally on the same level as a tight knit group of "stompers." And factors like an experience disparity, an SP disparity, the gear disparity... Well, as we all know, those don't actually exist. Teamwork obviously is the be all end all, and will create an entirely level playing field.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:57:00 - [16] - Quote believe me i've been on both sides of the old stomp stick and i find it fun to go against organized team what upsets me is when the blue dots give up halfway through the match thats what makes it not fun. Like if im solo playing Dom and finally manage to clear the point in a losing battle but oh well all the bluedots are either snipping or messing around in the redline waiting for the match to end. i send good game mails that stay in the fight with me because those r the guys that stay on dust and become the stomper of new
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:01:00 - [17] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Because a group of randoms squadded up via the squad finder is totally on the same level as a tight knit group of "stompers." And factors like an experience disparity, an SP disparity, the gear disparity... Well, as we all know, those don't actually exist. Teamwork obviously is the be all end all, and will create an entirely level playing field. if they have there mic on and use then its the same thing i squad with randoms all the time. gear means nothing, randoms can run proto too
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 605	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:07:00 - [18] - Quote This post is a good example of why corp battles need to be brought back. Hell make it winner take all and really make em fight for it. CCP your matchmaking is better but still sucks a fair amount Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 26	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:11:00 - [19] - Quote What is the description text for a pub contract game?
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 674	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:14:00 - [20] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Because a group of randoms squadded up via the squad finder is totally on the same level as a tight knit group of "stompers." And factors like an experience disparity, an SP disparity, the gear disparity... Well, as we all know, those don't actually exist. Teamwork obviously is the be all end all, and will create an entirely level playing field. if they have there mic on and use then its the same thing i squad with randoms all the time. gear means nothing, randoms can run proto too Randoms can only run proto if they have the SP to use it. It is a bit hard to run proto when you literally are incapable of running it. And gear means nothing? Are you unaware of the differences between tiers? It is as if you can't do basic math.

The Attorney General 1999	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:19:00 - [21] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Because a group of randoms squadded up via the squad finder is totally on the same level as a tight knit group of "stompers." And factors like an experience disparity, an SP disparity, the gear disparity... Well, as we all know, those don't actually exist. Teamwork obviously is the be all end all, and will create an entirely level playing field. if they have there mic on and use then its the same thing i squad with randoms all the time. gear means nothing, randoms can run proto too Randoms can only run proto if they have the SP to use it. It is a bit hard to run proto when you literally are incapable of running it. And gear means nothing? Are you unaware of the differences between tiers? It is as if you can't do basic math. Remember, he is trying to justify grouping up to stomp on noobs like he is a boss. That is the type of person you are trying to debate with, don't waste your breath. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:25:00 - [22] - Quote if they want to separate us this is how they should group pubs selection high sec pub- basic suits only no vehicles no proto weapons (normal payout) low sec pub- basic-advance suits no proto tanks or ads (1.5x normal payout) null sec pub- do what ever the **** you want the cops don't come to this this part of the ghetto (2x normal payout) everyones happy no one gets gear stomped null sec is the blood bath it should be
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1243	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:00:00 - [23] - Quote Proto gear is THAT much better than lesser gear. You can't just team up and stomp back with comms and organization. You can't get new players to be better than they are. Broke mechanic is broke and ppl like you make this game silly at best. However, my plan is working. DUST will be dead by 2015. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3673	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:03:00 - [24] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: If you q sync in pubs, you should feel bad because you are bad. Just have you your 2000th like It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it -Aristotle
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 371	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:06:00 - [25] - Quote It also helps to have a good logi backing up those randoms. I mean eventually they do pick up on what they're suppose to do. If they stay together and there is not an ungodly amount of vehicles on the field I can keep them up to the point we're not burning through clones. But black and yellow proto suit makes me a target if the enemy knows what to look for lol.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 812	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:19:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! It happens in all kind of FPS games from BF to CoD the gaming world over you should see chickens proto stomp. They will all peck one until its crippled. That's what spawn camping reminds me of. All the roosters tearing the shitouta a weak one. Who wants some?
Justice Prevails 188	Posted - 2014.02.18 03:59:00 - [27] - Quote Agree with the OP that squadding up might help, but it wont overcome experienced proto wearing corps who have been together since day one. Join a corp you say. Then the game gets boring because then I become the stomper, as previously stated, fighting to tear the s**t out of the weak ones. Have enough sp to take my chances against most stompers, but newer players don't. And we NEED them. Know the game was supposed to be team based, but that concept really offers nothing unless they bring back corp battles. When they do that, more people will probably join corps to fight for higher stakes besides PC, which is a pipe dream to most. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 475	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:19:00 - [28] - Quote Ran into two squads of FWA earlier today q-syncing into a Dom. They lost.
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 139	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:30:00 - [29] - Quote You seem to be confusing two things here, Q-syncing and Proto-stomping. I whole-heartedly support syncing, as you say, it's using teamwork to it's fullest. What makes me leave battle if I see a squad plus of Dem Durty Boys is that I know they'll all be proto-stomping. So I guess I half agree with you. Not new, just new to you.
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 480	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:01:00 - [30] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! A valid argument. My counterpoint is that once you're in a squad, you already dominate the battlefield. Why would you q-sync? It pretty much hands you the win, as you are a completely organised group fighting a completely disorganised rabble. Do you find enjoyment out using your superior teamwork, tactics, and equipment to destroy a virtually defenceless team? Do you realise how sadistic such behaviour is? Yeah, yeah, welcome to New Eden, HTFU. But you see I don't care, I live with this. I fight teams q-synced every so often, and despite the complete and utter domination you place our team under (of which the only real world analogy that comes to mind is r.a.p.e.), I continue to play a game that despite its downs, I really enjoy playing. So no, I'm not judging your tactics, I'm just judging your morality. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente

Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 189	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:51:00 - [31] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: you should see chickens proto stomp. They will all peck one until its crippled. That's what spawn camping reminds me of. All the roosters tearing the shitouta a weak one. i hate spawn camping i always hack CRUs and shot uplinks but i refuse to hack anything if im by myself unless i know there no enemies around. getting shot in the back pisses my off more then anything
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 189	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:54:00 - [32] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ran into two squads of FWA earlier today q-syncing into a Dom. They lost. lol those guy r pretty much organized randoms
The Attorney General 2021	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:54:00 - [33] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: i hate spawn camping i always hack CRUs and shot uplinks but i refuse to hack anything if im by myself unless i know there no enemies around. getting shot in the back pisses my off more then anything Do something for the win? Not without my 5 buddies to back me up! Come at me MLT suit wearer! I am all pro! Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 2021	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:55:00 - [34] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Ran into two squads of FWA earlier today q-syncing into a Dom. They lost. lol those guy r pretty much organized randoms Which is exactly what you said was enough to counter a q sync? So you just disproved yourself. Great job. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 189	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:00:00 - [35] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Ran into two squads of FWA earlier today q-syncing into a Dom. They lost. lol those guy r pretty much organized randoms Which is exactly what you said was enough to counter a q sync? So you just disproved yourself. Great job. omg your still here stalking me after all this time or did you just happen to come back on the forums when i did, either way that's kind of creey yet so sad at the same time.
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:03:00 - [36] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Because a group of randoms squadded up via the squad finder is totally on the same level as a tight knit group of "stompers." And factors like an experience disparity, an SP disparity, the gear disparity... Well, as we all know, those don't actually exist. Teamwork obviously is the be all end all, and will create an entirely level playing field. if they have there mic on and use then its the same thing i squad with randoms all the time. gear means nothing, randoms can run proto too Randoms can only run proto if they have the SP to use it. It is a bit hard to run proto when you literally are incapable of running it. And gear means nothing? Are you unaware of the differences between tiers? It is as if you can't do basic math. Remember, he is trying to justify grouping up to stomp on noobs like he is a boss. That is the type of person you are trying to debate with, don't waste your breath. yea q sync'ing and playing with friends is cheating, this game should be like real life warfare where random dudes just meet up and attack **** with no real game plan, just like real life established militaries do. also they need to get rid of voice chat because telling someone there is bad guys behind em is ridiculously OP. also remove rep tools, nanohives/injectors and scanners http://i40.tinypic.com/33w8wtd.jpg Not my highest, but the best one i've taken a picture of. Assault Dropship Pilot
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 439	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:05:00 - [37] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Because a group of randoms squadded up via the squad finder is totally on the same level as a tight knit group of "stompers." And factors like an experience disparity, an SP disparity, the gear disparity... Well, as we all know, those don't actually exist. Teamwork obviously is the be all end all, and will create an entirely level playing field. if they have there mic on and use then its the same thing i squad with randoms all the time. gear means nothing, randoms can run proto too Randoms can only run proto if they have the SP to use it. It is a bit hard to run proto when you literally are incapable of running it. And gear means nothing? Are you unaware of the differences between tiers? It is as if you can't do basic math. Remember, he is trying to justify grouping up to stomp on noobs like he is a boss. That is the type of person you are trying to debate with, don't waste your breath. yea q sync'ing and playing with friends is cheating, this game should be like real life warfare where random dudes just meet up and attack **** with no real game plan, just like real life established militaries do. also they need to get rid of voice chat because telling someone there is bad guys behind em is ridiculously OP. also remove rep tools, nanohives/injectors and scanners checks corp laughs leaves 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race*
Shane999 Stalkers Stand Alone Clones 4	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:05:00 - [38] - Quote Your a dumabass. The problem is all you Corps Proto Stomping pubs because you have no lives and can run proto all day thats bullshit. Syncing two teams i could care less about but all the corps locking districts then proto stomping pubs is why this game is dying.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 189	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:05:00 - [39] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: i hate spawn camping i always hack CRUs and shot uplinks but i refuse to hack anything if im by myself unless i know there no enemies around. getting shot in the back pisses my off more then anything Do something for the win? Not without my 5 buddies to back me up! Come at me MLT suit wearer! I am all pro! 1 guy is fine and i can only carry a team so far solo so 1 bluedot watching my back while i hack is all i ask. sorry was i asking for to much
The Attorney General 2022	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:13:00 - [40] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: 1 guy is fine and i can only carry a team so far solo so 1 bluedot watching my back while i hack is all i ask. sorry was i asking for to much Did someone from DDB just claim to carry? Thanks for the laugh. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.

Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 189	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:22:00 - [41] - Quote Shane999 Stalkers wrote: Your a dumabass. The problem is all you Corps Proto Stomping pubs because you have no lives and can run proto all day thats bullshit. Syncing two teams i could care less about but all the corps locking districts then proto stomping pubs is why this game is dying. not every big corp member you see is in proto gear thats the problem with you guy you assume to much i get hate mail about tank spam after matches were my squad didnt use a single tank but everyone just thinks its us. why? because we're a good corp and usually r at the top of the match leader board. so ppl say oh they're all running proto or those tanks were all theirs i bet. man of my corp doesn't even run proto must of the time, only if the other team does first. Also idk about other corps but my corp aswell as STB don't just give money to its members unless we're dirt broke but even then we usually ask other members first
Mike Ox Bigger The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 133	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:24:00 - [42] - Quote Is protostomping even a thing anymore? Seriously with LP everyone has proto suits. It kinds pisses me off because I worked hard to get the two I got and now we got all these fake protos running around :) and it really doesn't take long to get one good piece of equipment, which is all you need unless you're a logi. Communication is the key, I bring proto hives, you got proto uplinks, our logi is running a proto repper and needle, and someone has a proto scanner. Damn we're all set. Teamwork is OP. Or you could say at the games current state... I got a proto blaster, you got a proto rail, and he's got a ADS. Damn we're all set, vehicles are OP!
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 53	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:34:00 - [43] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! Q-sync in pubs is not inherently bad, it's just that most of the time, when facing a q-sync, every firefight will be a lopsided fight where it's 1v2 or 1v3. Most squads in squad finder are just people looking to drop orbitals, not people looking to play as a team, so it can be hard to find a good squad, especially for people in the smaller corps. Also, the people who q-sync and spam nothing but tanks and ADS, or full protosuit teams can make the match seem even more imbalanced. Personally, that's the reason I love academy battles so much. Everyone is at about the same level, so it's more of a fair fight. I wouldn't mind seeing 2 q-synced teams fight in nothing but mlt frontline suits. CCP! Make it happen! Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 189	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:35:00 - [44] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: 1 guy is fine and i can only carry a team so far solo so 1 bluedot watching my back while i hack is all i ask. sorry was i asking for to much Did someone from DDB just claim to carry? Thanks for the laugh. this was a lose btw ambush oms sadly my back gave out from the weight of the team before i could make it to the top of the hill called victory. Also before you say it this was all advanced gear http://static.dyp.im/oVyZhYUZyD/712eccb0581e6f2c7034c371e906758c.JPG didn't feel like shorting the link
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 53	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:36:00 - [45] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Is protostomping even a thing anymore? Seriously with LP everyone has proto suits. It kinds pisses me off because I worked hard to get the two I got and now we got all these fake protos running around :) and it really doesn't take long to get one good piece of equipment, which is all you need unless you're a logi. Communication is the key, I bring proto hives, you got proto uplinks, our logi is running a proto repper and needle, and someone has a proto scanner. Damn we're all set. Teamwork is OP. Or you could say at the games current state... I got a proto blaster, you got a proto rail, and he's got a ADS. Damn we're all set, vehicles are OP! The Plasma Cannon in the corner whispers, "one day ill be OP too!" Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 189	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:43:00 - [46] - Quote and the lawyer finally goes away as a masses cheer in the background.
The Attorney General 2023	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:46:00 - [47] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: 1 guy is fine and i can only carry a team so far solo so 1 bluedot watching my back while i hack is all i ask. sorry was i asking for to much Did someone from DDB just claim to carry? Thanks for the laugh. this was a lose btw ambush oms sadly my back gave out from the weight of the team before i could make it to the top of the hill called victory. Also before you say it this was all advanced gear http://static.dyp.im/oVyZhYUZyD/712eccb0581e6f2c7034c371e906758c.JPG didn't feel like shorting the link Oh, a pub match. I am so impressed that you managed to lose an ambush. I would imagine the opposition was of garbage quality, which is why you cut it down to only show your score. Maybe one day you can be top of the PC scoreboard in a loss. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 189	Posted - 2014.02.18 06:57:00 - [48] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: 1 guy is fine and i can only carry a team so far solo so 1 bluedot watching my back while i hack is all i ask. sorry was i asking for to much Did someone from DDB just claim to carry? Thanks for the laugh. this was a lose btw ambush oms sadly my back gave out from the weight of the team before i could make it to the top of the hill called victory. Also before you say it this was all advanced gear http://static.dyp.im/oVyZhYUZyD/712eccb0581e6f2c7034c371e906758c.JPG didn't feel like shorting the link Oh, a pub match. I am so impressed that you managed to lose an ambush. I would imagine the opposition was of garbage quality, which is why you cut it down to only show your score. Maybe one day you can be top of the PC scoreboard in a loss. i took it like this awhile ago because my camera sucks. my team was just really bad they tried to rush the enemy but just got mowed down
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1009	Posted - 2014.02.18 07:16:00 - [49] - Quote I used to pub stomp back in the day, but as of now I run OPEN squads in the squad finder, allowing subscribers to play with me, and sometimes, it is a struggle, but it gives me reason to run full proto, being how I am mostly the only one in the squad that has the sp for it. I have found that I can run full blueprint and die by the same amount of rounds as if I was in full proto.
Chuckles Brown 54	Posted - 2014.02.18 07:49:00 - [50] - Quote Q-syncing is rather pointless, and boring. Its only needed for Caldari and Amarr FW, as if you have more than 5 bluedots on your teams whilst fighting for those factions, you will no doubt lose terribly, as they assist the other team by "boosting" for them. I'm starting to be convinced its an inside job that goes deep, deep into New Eden. Gallente and Minmatar made a lot of back alley deals to have control of the Universe. The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?

Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 230	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:53:00 - [51] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: believe me i've been on both sides of the old stomp stick and i find it fun to go against organized team what upsets me is when the blue dots give up halfway through the match thats what makes it not fun. Like if im solo playing Dom and finally manage to clear the point in a losing battle but oh well all the bluedots are either snipping or messing around in the redline waiting for the match to end. i send good game mails that stay in the fight with me because those r the guys that stay on dust and become the stomper of new ^ I don't see a particularly need to q-sync, but the corp aspect is big part of what is keeping a lot of players still playing, you can't blame them for wanting to play together - as log as they don't get complacent and just assume they will lose if they don't sync. Yesterday I was with one other scout (fought each other the match before and then teamed up - no comms, just a pair of scouts in a squad) and I think only 4-5 of us were trying during a stomp. Between us, managed to cap/hold 1-2 points at a time - we risked ourselves to stop a complete redline, while at least 6 blues (presumably a squad?), just sat at a spawn point. If they'd had mucked in, we coulda taken that back to a good resistance - instead it remained a stomp. You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 192	Posted - 2014.02.18 13:08:00 - [52] - Quote and its not like we q-sync all the time. its more of a once in awhile fun thing to do, Most of the time when we end up in the same match its a complete accident
The Attorney General 2044	Posted - 2014.02.18 14:44:00 - [53] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: and its not like we q-sync all the time. its more of a once in awhile fun thing to do, Most of the time when we end up in the same match its a complete accident Any Q syncing in pub matches is the sign of a scrub corp. I don't know why you needed so many pages to get this drummed into your thick head. You are bad because you q sync pubs. You should feel bad for needing to get 11 others to help you win a pub match. You could go and play some Caldari or Amarr FW, but that would require effort, and maybe some skills, which DDB lacks a whole. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 102	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:38:00 - [54] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Ran into two squads of FWA earlier today q-syncing into a Dom. They lost. lol those guy r pretty much organized randoms Which is exactly what you said was enough to counter a q sync? So you just disproved yourself. Great job. OMG, I lolled much too hard at this. As for Xander, when people q-sync to pubs, are they looking for a challenge? Are they expecting fierce competition? Or are they looking for a nice and easy stomp to pad their stats? I dare you to answer yes to the first two questions. Yes to the last one is given though. No need to answer it. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2353	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:04:00 - [55] - Quote so DDB can't win pubs with out syncing? damn, sad. Also what happened the last few times FA fought vs DDB without AE's support. Listen I'll change the song every week
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 192	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:40:00 - [56] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Ran into two squads of FWA earlier today q-syncing into a Dom. They lost. lol those guy r pretty much organized randoms Which is exactly what you said was enough to counter a q sync? So you just disproved yourself. Great job. OMG, I lolled much too hard at this. As for Xander, when people q-sync to pubs, are they looking for a challenge? Are they expecting fierce competition? Or are they looking for a nice and easy stomp to pad their stats? I dare you to answer yes to the first two questions. Yes to the last one is given though. No need to answer it. just looking to have fun with friends while talking in corp chat nothing more nothing less. q-syncing for fw is hard then ppl make it out to be sense you have to get 12 ppl to agree on which faction to fight for since not everyone uses the same gear. For example i prefer amarr but pretty much no one else in my crop uses amarr stuff
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:44:00 - [57] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Is it the same for a proto logi going 1/0 and finishing first over all? Is that protostomping too? One guy does not constitute proto stomping, if he is part of a squad running proto in a pub filled with players that can't match their gear, then it is stomping. Because, that's why.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 379	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:50:00 - [58] - Quote It's more that I can keep up my squad of mlt or std blues around me even going against other proto suits because the logi gear is that much better. Even not in a squad. Just the team holding down a location. A good logi can make even them a force to be reckoned with. It's just that in some games they lack that team work to even stand near each other. Even with nano-hives and triage nano-hives down. Proto injector and repper. Still they just run out in the middle and die. No way am I risking my suit to run out into the middle.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 195	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:50:00 - [59] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: and its not like we q-sync all the time. its more of a once in awhile fun thing to do, Most of the time when we end up in the same match its a complete accident Any Q syncing in pub matches is the sign of a scrub corp. I don't know why you needed so many pages to get this drummed into your thick head. You are bad because you q sync pubs. You should feel bad for needing to get 11 others to help you win a pub match. You could go and play some Caldari or Amarr FW, but that would require effort, and maybe some skills, which DDB lacks a whole. well like i said i only play amarr when i do fw since most of my isk goes amarr gear ascr amarr assault uplinks but no one else really use this stuff besides uplinks of course so there no point of them playing amarr so we usually end up in cal fw if we can even get enough ppl to play it since there no isk payout its kind of hard to get ppl to sync
The Attorney General 2057	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:54:00 - [60] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: well like i said i only play amarr when i do fw since most of my isk goes amarr gear ascr amarr assault uplinks but no one else really use this stuff besides uplinks of course so there no point of them playing amarr so we usually end up in cal fw if we can even get enough ppl to play it since there no isk payout its kind of hard to get ppl to sync LOL, if your corp has not realized how important Amarr uplinks are going to be in PC, you will lose your land even faster than I thought. Beyond that though, I doubt that you have problems getting people into FW for the reasons you stated. More than likely they realize that playing a pub will be a stomp, but if they go FW, they just might end up against a full team. Can't let that happen, because then you would lose, or actually have to try. That is too much for DDB people. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.

Squagga Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 250	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:02:00 - [61] - Quote Q syncing isn't the problem. It's running proto in pubs. Which I really can't say is a bad thing. I've done more than my fair share of that. Reloading, the silent killer.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 195	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:05:00 - [62] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Q-syncing is rather pointless, and boring. Its only needed for Caldari and Amarr FW, as if you have more than 5 bluedots on your teams whilst fighting for those factions, you will no doubt lose terribly, as they assist the other team by "boosting" for them. I'm starting to be convinced its an inside job that goes deep, deep into New Eden. Gallente and Minmatar made a lot of back alley deals to have control of the Universe. q-syncing is fun as hell you get to sit in corp chat and mess around cracking jokes making fun of each other while your in a match with them it not like we're sitting there all quite waiting for orders. the most we do is call out vehicles and say if there red dots on a point beside that its all fun and games.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:10:00 - [63] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: believe me i've been on both sides of the old stomp stick and i find it fun to go against organized team what upsets me is when the blue dots give up halfway through the match thats what makes it not fun. Like if im solo playing Dom and finally manage to clear the point in a losing battle but oh well all the bluedots are either snipping or messing around in the redline waiting for the match to end. i send good game mails that stay in the fight with me because those r the guys that stay on dust and become the stomper of new My experience is that a lot of the stompers are the ones quitting when things aren't going their way. Because, that's why.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 930	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:12:00 - [64] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: believe me i've been on both sides of the old stomp stick and i find it fun to go against organized team what upsets me is when the blue dots give up halfway through the match thats what makes it not fun. Like if im solo playing Dom and finally manage to clear the point in a losing battle but oh well all the bluedots are either snipping or messing around in the redline waiting for the match to end. i send good game mails that stay in the fight with me because those r the guys that stay on dust and become the stomper of new Well, the community has done it to itself. These guys in the redline are sick of the qsync protostompers. We qsnc all the time but we don't run our proto, in fact we enjoy taking down a few protostompers in pubs with basic gear. It is very frustrating to be the only squad on a sixteen man team doing anything, while the rest hide or give up. It is a growing cancer in this game, the recent matchmaking has made it a little better, but until people put down the proto and run ADV, this is what we have. A truly skilled squad can still run effectively without running the god mode suits. We've done it to ourselves people, no one else to blame. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 195	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:12:00 - [65] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: well like i said i only play amarr when i do fw since most of my isk goes amarr gear ascr amarr assault uplinks but no one else really use this stuff besides uplinks of course so there no point of them playing amarr so we usually end up in cal fw if we can even get enough ppl to play it since there no isk payout its kind of hard to get ppl to sync LOL, if your corp has not realized how important Amarr uplinks are going to be in PC, you will lose your land even faster than I thought. Beyond that though, I doubt that you have problems getting people into FW for the reasons you stated. More than likely they realize that playing a pub will be a stomp, but if they go FW, they just might end up against a full team. Can't let that happen, because then you would lose, or actually have to try. That is too much for DDB people. soooo clearly you missed the part that said besides uplinks (not sure how) ran out of room continued in next post
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 930	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:16:00 - [66] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ran into two squads of FWA earlier today q-syncing into a Dom. They lost. LMFAO!!!! At least they're trying. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 662	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:21:00 - [67] - Quote I mean why Qsync and run Proto in pubs? I've come to the conclusion that people would Qsync and stomp Academy Battles if they were let in. It's not about a competitive match anymore but humiliating your opponent. Then people come and post their scores like they are some great players...it's pretty easy when you stack every advantage.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 195	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:22:00 - [68] - Quote so this is how the lawyer post Me: calm reasoning lawyer: LIES all lies (changes subject) Me: debates clear fair reason on case lawyer: LIES all lies no proof all lies Me: gives proof lawyer: LIES (changes subject) idc all LIES Me: (ignores and replies to other comments) lawyer: LIES NOOB SCRUB ALL LIES GET GUD LIES Me: (theres just no talking to this guy)
The Attorney General 2058	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:23:00 - [69] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: q-syncing is fun as hell you get to sit in corp chat and mess around cracking jokes making fun of each other while your in a match with them it not like we're sitting there all quite waiting for orders. the most we do is call out vehicles and say if there red dots on a point beside that its all fun and games. Except for the people you are stepping on. But then, you don't care about anyone else enjoying the game at all. All you and yours want is easy matches to inflate your wallets to make yourselves feel better about not being able to hold land in PC without locking up. If your corp could win difficult matches, you wouldn't be q syncing pubs. In fact, if your corp were worth anything at all, 6 of you would be enough to turn a match. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 243	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:25:00 - [70] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: and its not like we q-sync all the time. its more of a once in awhile fun thing to do, Most of the time when we end up in the same match its a complete accident Why don't you do it all the time? Because you know it ruins the game for both sides, so why defend it? You guys in big corps broke your playground, PC, and now you want to break the rest of the game. Because, that's why.

CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 930	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:26:00 - [71] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: believe me i've been on both sides of the old stomp stick and i find it fun to go against organized team what upsets me is when the blue dots give up halfway through the match thats what makes it not fun. Like if im solo playing Dom and finally manage to clear the point in a losing battle but oh well all the bluedots are either snipping or messing around in the redline waiting for the match to end. i send good game mails that stay in the fight with me because those r the guys that stay on dust and become the stomper of new My experience is that a lot of the stompers are the ones quitting when things aren't going their way. Exactly, next time you get single players from some of the known protostomper squads, look who runs basic gear and or heads for the hills. They don't run proto alone and they don't want to hurt their precious K/Dr. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
The Attorney General 2058	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:28:00 - [72] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: so this is how the lawyer post Me: calm reasoning lawyer: LIES all lies (changes subject) Me: debates clear fair reason on case lawyer: LIES all lies no proof all lies Me: gives proof lawyer: LIES (changes subject) idc all LIES Me: (ignores and replies to other comments) lawyer: LIES NOOB SCRUB ALL LIES GET GUD LIES Me: (theres just no talking to this guy) Lets rephrase this in a better light: You: I like to gang up with my friends and kick the crap out of kids. Me: That is shameful, you should feel bad. You: But its fun! They can do it too! Except that me and my friends have more and bigger weapons then them. Me: Doesn't matter, beating up on children is wrong, and you should feel bad. You: But I like it! And it makes me feel big! And my friends and I laugh as we do it! Me: Well, that makes you and your friends pieces of garbage. You: But we are good! Look at this picture of me in a pub! Me: I don't care, you beat up on children and you refuse to fight real teams. That makes you a coward. Feel free to try and continue justifying why you need to get 12 people together to fight an unorganized group that you should be able to handle solo if you are not trash at this game. I'm loving it, I am going to use this thread to make fun of your corp forever. Even after you guys lose all your districts and get kicked out of RA, this thread will still be gold. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 195	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:34:00 - [73] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: and its not like we q-sync all the time. its more of a once in awhile fun thing to do, Most of the time when we end up in the same match its a complete accident Why don't you do it all the time? Because you know it ruins the game for both sides, so why defend it? You guys in big corps broke your playground, PC, and now you want to break the rest of the game. because its a hassle to do it all the time plus there might not to enough ppl on ppl want to run solo ppl r in squads with other corps ppl from other corps r a our squad and we don't want to just drop them ppl don't want to go through the trouble of backing out to pick up some who got dc'd which like the more ppl you try to run with wanting to stomp has nothing to do with it. like i said its all fun and games
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4971	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:36:00 - [74] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: If you q sync in pubs, you should feel bad because you are bad. Where else are players going to q-synch..? Faction Warfare? Waiting for a match for 15 minutes just so that one or two people get a Scotty error and don't make it in anyway? Just generally easier to q-synch in pub matches than hoping on a whim and a prayer that nothing goes wrong when q-synching FW. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2354	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:38:00 - [75] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: The Attorney General wrote: If you q sync in pubs, you should feel bad because you are bad. Where else are players going to q-synch..? Faction Warfare? Waiting for a match for 15 minutes just so that one or two people get a Scotty error and don't make it in anyway? Just generally easier to q-synch in pub matches than hoping on a whim and a prayer that nothing goes wrong when q-synching FW. PC, or at least PFC... Listen I'll change the song every week
The Attorney General 2065	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:41:00 - [76] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: The Attorney General wrote: If you q sync in pubs, you should feel bad because you are bad. Where else are players going to q-synch..? Faction Warfare? Waiting for a match for 15 minutes just so that one or two people get a Scotty error and don't make it in anyway? Just generally easier to q-synch in pub matches than hoping on a whim and a prayer that nothing goes wrong when q-synching FW. Did you know that if you take 12 people and queue up for either Amarr or Caldari you are going to get a match within a couple of minutes because it generates an attack? I guess AE goes looking for hard matches just like DDB. You want to try another bad excuse for why you need to form up to stomp scrubs? Or are you guys finally ready to admit you just want easy mode? Yet another RA corp that has zero interest in "good fights". Your alliance has to be one of the single biggest contributors to people fleeing this game like a sinking ship. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 2065	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:42:00 - [77] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: wanting to stomp has nothing to do with it. like i said its all fun and games DDB stomps pubs for fun because getting crushed in PC hurts their feelings. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 196	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:50:00 - [78] - Quote lawyer its a game you don't see ppl stopping football games just because one team is losing badly. and stop trying to make it sound like we're sitting in corp going "ok guys let ruin this game for everyone and don't forget only use proto" out of the 12 that Q maybe 4 or 5 guys will bring out proto and thats thier choice who r you to say thats wrong where is the book the say no q syncing and no proto in pubs because unless its in Da Rules no ones going to stop them. p.s. why are you hiding what corp your in because i could be wrong but aren't you one of those guys that jumps to top corp to top corp never join a underdog corp cause you you only want to play with the "good" players
AP Grasshopper The Unit 514 170	Posted - 2014.02.18 17:54:00 - [79] - Quote Teamwork could use a nerf.... I stack damage mods on my teamwork and even I agree teamwork is overpowered so it definitely needs to be removed. Teamwork and higher level play in general shouldn't exist. Remove squad finder, squads, chat channels and corporations so we cannot organized ourselves. It's not fair to use teamwork and have alot of SP and knowledge from playing over a year because people who just started playing yesterday aren't good enough to beat you. Truth be told if you don't have SP, teamwork or game play experience and your playing with like minded players you just shouldn't win... There are plenty of corporations you can join that well happily teach you how to improve your play and what to invest your SP into.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 196	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:01:00 - [80] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: Teamwork could use a nerf.... I stack damage mods on my teamwork and even I agree teamwork is overpowered so it definitely needs to be removed. Teamwork and higher level play in general shouldn't exist. Remove squad finder, squads, chat channels and corporations so we cannot organized ourselves. It's not fair to use teamwork and have alot of SP and knowledge from playing over a year because people who just started playing yesterday aren't good enough to beat you. Truth be told if you don't have SP, teamwork or game play experience and your playing with like minded players you just shouldn't win... There are plenty of corporations you can join that well happily teach you how to improve your play and what to invest your SP into. see this guy gets it

The Attorney General 2069	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:03:00 - [81] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: lawyer its a game you don't see ppl stopping football games just because one team is losing badly. and stop trying to make it sound like we're sitting in corp going "ok guys let ruin this game for everyone and don't forget only use proto" out of the 12 that Q maybe 4 or 5 guys will bring out proto and thats thier choice who r you to say thats wrong where is the book the say no q syncing and no proto in pubs because unless its in Da Rules no ones going to stop them. p.s. why are you hiding what corp your in because i could be wrong but aren't you one of those guys that jumps to top corp to top corp never join a underdog corp cause you you only want to play with the "good" players I don't think you sit in corp wondering about how to ruin the game. I think you sit in corp and go for the easy route because you are all bad. As for my corp history, it is pretty simple. Zion Zion as CEO MHPD for a month on contract Zion as CEO Fatal Absolution So yeah, I corp hop all over the place looking for easy places to rest my feet. Because the only reason I left Zion was to fight AE all the time. So I actually went looking for fights, difficult ones. You and yours go pub stomp. That is the fundamental difference between us, I actually like a challenge. You just want to win and pretend you did something. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 196	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:05:00 - [82] - Quote CAUSE IMA RENEGADE http://youtu.be/0OVNXTkV414?t=2m13s
The Attorney General 2069	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:08:00 - [83] - Quote I guess that is you responding with logic and a rational argument? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 845	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:11:00 - [84] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: believe me i've been on both sides of the old stomp stick and i find it fun to go against organized team what upsets me is when the blue dots give up halfway through the match thats what makes it not fun. Like if im solo playing Dom and finally manage to clear the point in a losing battle but oh well all the bluedots are either snipping or messing around in the redline waiting for the match to end. i send good game mails that stay in the fight with me because those r the guys that stay on dust and become the stomper of new Well, the community has done it to itself. These guys in the redline are sick of the qsync protostompers. We qsnc all the time but we don't run our proto, in fact we enjoy taking down a few protostompers in pubs with basic gear. It is very frustrating to be the only squad on a sixteen man team doing anything, while the rest hide or give up. It is a growing cancer in this game, the recent matchmaking has made it a little better, but until people put down the proto and run ADV, this is what we have. A truly skilled squad can still run effectively without running the god mode suits. We've done it to ourselves people, no one else to blame. I escalate. Which usually lands me in an ion cannon Maddy. I'd love a fair fight. Or even a close one. New Eden is the home of onesided battles. Its where the elite feel good about crushing the beginners. Its where the end game is exploited so they can. Funny thing is I never see the elite with out proto gear. Maybe proto is elite and it really doesn't matter who wears it. Who wants some?
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 196	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:11:00 - [85] - Quote then idk lawyer its seem to me that the corps you were in seem to have fallen to **** let hope you don't do the same thing to FA
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 196	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:13:00 - [86] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: I guess that is you responding with logic and a rational argument? nope put that before i saw your last post
Magewarlord Contract Hunters 39	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:16:00 - [87] - Quote there's nothing wrong with q-syncing, the only problem with "stomping" is the guys who get free money from their corp to run all proto in pub matches. so you have a couple squads of guys who can run all the proto they want vs. people who can't afford to keep running all proto because PROTO COST ISK. The big corps can just pay out ISK for their guys to "proto stomp" pub matches and essentially drive away the lesser players. I say bring back corp battles and maybe let them place bets against each other or something.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 719	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:24:00 - [88] - Quote Too lazy and Youtubing to make a thread right now, so i'll post this here. King Babar has never stopped stomping since the 'help to the stompees' fa+ºade thing whatever its called. Just played in a pub, he is still using proto gear and spawn camping. But the spawn camp goes both ways cause your still spawning there. Anyway, yeah he still stomps so.... just sayin.' FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 198	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:25:00 - [89] - Quote Magewarlord wrote: there's nothing wrong with q-syncing, the only problem with "stomping" is the guys who get free money from their corp to run all proto in pub matches. so you have a couple squads of guys who can run all the proto they want vs. people who can't afford to keep running all proto because PROTO COST ISK. The big corps can just pay out ISK for their guys to "proto stomp" pub matches and essentially drive away the lesser players. I say bring back corp battles and maybe let them place bets against each other or something. y does everyone think the "big" corps just give out isk all carefree and **** well idk about other corps but ik for a fact that DDB and STB don't just give out isk for no reason and running out of proto suit isn't a reason by anyones standards
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 209	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:38:00 - [90] - Quote q-syncing is fantastic I love it saves my suits and you know you have support....your squad is doing most of the work anyways might as well just replace a few more blueberries so that your squad isn't the only one doing the work. Also its always fun to play with your friends. "q-syncing in pubs is for scrubs..FW is for the real players"....well FW payouts suck ass and don't pay for the lost suits so you can see the issue why people rather q-sync in pubs more profitable. ( Ill admit I still do FW though just cause I cant resist it)

Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 198	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:41:00 - [91] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: q-syncing is fantastic I love it saves my suits and you know you have support....your squad is doing most of the work anyways might as well just replace a few more blueberries so that your squad isn't the only one doing the work. Also its always fun to play with your friends. "q-syncing in pubs is for scrubs..FW is for the real players"....well FW payouts suck ass and don't pay for the lost suits so you can see the issue why people rather q-sync in pubs more profitable. ( Ill admit I still do FW though just cause I cant resist it) finally the reasonable ppl are here
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 851	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:41:00 - [92] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: q-syncing is fantastic I love it saves my suits and you know you have support....your squad is doing most of the work anyways might as well just replace a few more blueberries so that your squad isn't the only one doing the work. Also its always fun to play with your friends. "q-syncing in pubs is for scrubs..FW is for the real players"....well FW payouts suck ass and don't pay for the lost suits so you can see the issue why people rather q-sync in pubs more profitable. ( Ill admit I still do FW though just cause I cant resist it) lol fw Who wants some?
AP Grasshopper The Unit 514 172	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:02:00 - [93] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Seigfried Warheit wrote: q-syncing is fantastic I love it saves my suits and you know you have support....your squad is doing most of the work anyways might as well just replace a few more blueberries so that your squad isn't the only one doing the work. Also its always fun to play with your friends. "q-syncing in pubs is for scrubs..FW is for the real players"....well FW payouts suck ass and don't pay for the lost suits so you can see the issue why people rather q-sync in pubs more profitable. ( Ill admit I still do FW though just cause I cant resist it) lol fw LOL FW-army... FIXED
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 932	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:00:00 - [94] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: believe me i've been on both sides of the old stomp stick and i find it fun to go against organized team what upsets me is when the blue dots give up halfway through the match thats what makes it not fun. Like if im solo playing Dom and finally manage to clear the point in a losing battle but oh well all the bluedots are either snipping or messing around in the redline waiting for the match to end. i send good game mails that stay in the fight with me because those r the guys that stay on dust and become the stomper of new Well, the community has done it to itself. These guys in the redline are sick of the qsync protostompers. We qsnc all the time but we don't run our proto, in fact we enjoy taking down a few protostompers in pubs with basic gear. It is very frustrating to be the only squad on a sixteen man team doing anything, while the rest hide or give up. It is a growing cancer in this game, the recent matchmaking has made it a little better, but until people put down the proto and run ADV, this is what we have. A truly skilled squad can still run effectively without running the god mode suits. We've done it to ourselves people, no one else to blame. I escalate. Which usually lands me in an ion cannon Maddy. I'd love a fair fight. Or even a close one. New Eden is the home of onesided battles. Its where the elite feel good about crushing the beginners. Its where the end game is exploited so they can. Funny thing is I never see the elite with out proto gear. Maybe proto is elite and it really doesn't matter who wears it. Like I said, look to see who hides in the back or goes negative in basic gear without a squad sometime. 3/4 of these guys that protostomp couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag without proto gear and a squad to help. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 932	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:04:00 - [95] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: q-syncing is fantastic I love it saves my suits and you know you have support....your squad is doing most of the work anyways might as well just replace a few more blueberries so that your squad isn't the only one doing the work. Also its always fun to play with your friends. "q-syncing in pubs is for scrubs..FW is for the real players"....well FW payouts suck ass and don't pay for the lost suits so you can see the issue why people rather q-sync in pubs more profitable. ( Ill admit I still do FW though just cause I cant resist it) FW is a joke dude!!! CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2620	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:06:00 - [96] - Quote I'd rather share that miniscule ISK pot with people that I know tried, instead of Joe Q. Scrubly and his band of tards occupying the bottom of the Killboard with their totally legit 0 WP and 78 combined deaths. I GÖú Kittens.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 933	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:12:00 - [97] - Quote I will say this, we have been qsyncing and met up with DDB qsyncing, said F it, pulled out our proto gear and had probably some of the best pub matches I ever remember, to the end won one by two clones, lost one by three clones, great fkng battles and I'm sure they remember them too, GG's went all around. If the field was even and all battles were such, this game would have millions of players, but it is not. When evenly matched up like that running proto is great, that's the time to do it, but against NPC corp players or randoms, it's weak. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 97	Posted - 2014.02.18 21:56:00 - [98] - Quote There is no such thing as 'pubstomping' or 'protostomping'. There are good players, and there are bad players. Good players use the best available equipment, and take advantage of mics to coordinate with each other in battles. Bad players refuse to do what the good players do to win, even though the bad players have every chance available. Good players figure out the range of their weapon and pick fights at that range. Bad players never think of this. Good players learn to avoid enemy tanks. Bad players think tanks are the Devil. Good players learn to use a variety weapons. Bad players wonder why the ScR won't one hit everything. Good players trash talk each other on the forums. Bad players threaten to sue CCP over a free game. Good players recognize when they suck. Bad players blame anything else they can find. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 933	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:13:00 - [99] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: There is no such thing as 'pubstomping' or 'protostomping'. There are good players, and there are bad players. Good players use the best available equipment, and take advantage of mics to coordinate with each other in battles. Bad players refuse to do what the good players do to win, even though the bad players have every chance available. Good players figure out the range of their weapon and pick fights at that range. Bad players never think of this. Good players learn to avoid enemy tanks. Bad players think tanks are the Devil. Good players learn to use a variety weapons. Bad players wonder why the ScR won't one hit everything. Good players trash talk each other on the forums. Bad players threaten to sue CCP over a free game. Good players recognize when they suck. Bad players blame anything else they can find. Bad players try to justify how good they think they are. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1253	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:51:00 - [100] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Too lazy and Youtubing to make a thread right now, so i'll post this here. King Babar has never stopped stomping since the 'help to the stompees' fa+ºade thing whatever its called. Just played in a pub, he is still using proto gear and spawn camping. But the spawn camp goes both ways cause your still spawning there. Anyway, yeah he still stomps so.... just sayin.' Shocker.... can't say I'm at all surprised by this, although I haven't run across him in-game myself recently. It's pretty simple, really. If you find yourself in a one-sided match, start handicapping yourself until the sides even out. If that means your Q-synched team reverts to all STD or MLT gear.... well, do it. If you need to have some of your guys run LOL fits that are not used to... do it. Need to stop laying remotes, guarding objectives, camping.... do it. No Q-sync next match? Do it. Realistically, you can't change other people, you can only change yourself. So complaining that others need to use the tools given to them, while being correct (you're assuming they have the SP, mike, know-how, gear) is still way more likely to not get you anywhere than just changing your own approach.

Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 247	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:09:00 - [101] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: There is no such thing as 'pubstomping' or 'protostomping'. There are good players, and there are bad players. Good players use the best available equipment, and take advantage of mics to coordinate with each other in battles. Bad players refuse to do what the good players do to win, even though the bad players have every chance available. Good players figure out the range of their weapon and pick fights at that range. Bad players never think of this. Good players learn to avoid enemy tanks. Bad players think tanks are the Devil. Good players learn to use a variety weapons. Bad players wonder why the ScR won't one hit everything. Good players trash talk each other on the forums. Bad players threaten to sue CCP over a free game. Good players recognize when they suck. Bad players blame anything else they can find. Yeah, 3 million SP, one month playing, they should pull out their proto suits, link up with their buddies flying top of the line dropships and driving top tanks and play like real men and quit their bitching. What a hero. Because, that's why.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 100	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:21:00 - [102] - Quote I'm one month playing, have no proto, and come in top 5 more often than not. My favorite fit (Basic sentinel, adv hmg) got me 27/16/10 earlier. Thing is, I only use it toward the middle of the match. Normally I use militia minmatar light, militia ar or basic rr, militia uplinks, and mlt cardio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this mlt fit that gets me 1000 wp MINIMUM even if my team loses, is available to EVERYBODY the first time they log in? We spell it out for you day after day...the only keeping you from succeeding at DUST is you. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Chuckles Brown 66	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:31:00 - [103] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: There is no such thing as 'pubstomping' or 'protostomping'. There are good players, and there are bad players. Good players use the best available equipment, and take advantage of mics to coordinate with each other in battles. Bad players refuse to do what the good players do to win, even though the bad players have every chance available. Good players figure out the range of their weapon and pick fights at that range. Bad players never think of this. Good players learn to avoid enemy tanks. Bad players think tanks are the Devil. Good players learn to use a variety weapons. Bad players wonder why the ScR won't one hit everything. Good players trash talk each other on the forums. Bad players threaten to sue CCP over a free game. Good players recognize when they suck. Bad players blame anything else they can find. That is the dumbest **** I have ever read... Start a new player. Then take it into public matches. Don't play with your corp, alliance, or anyone you know. Because remember new players only have randoms in squad finder. Sure, take everything you know about the game and apply it, as you can't unlearn it. Then, strive for 100,000 lifetime WP... Good luck with that. See how long it takes or until you just give up. This whole "I get 1000WP in a MLT Heavy suit" is bullsht. So you get 15-20 kills a match, in MLT gear and no SP backing, while playing solo? Maybe once in a while you do, but not on a consistent basis. I'll admit a lot of this game, or any FPS, is common sense. But remember how dumb you were when you started this game, just like we all were. Yup, whip out that awesome equipment you magically think new players have... It takes 10m SP to be competitive in this game, especially against the vets. So go jerk your mother off somewhere else with your bullsht The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 101	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:16:00 - [104] - Quote Chuckles, do you really suck that much? And I said mlt LIGHT, not mlt heavy. and yes, 1000 wp MINIMUM all day. Play dom. Run to objective. Drop uplinks. Charge nearest enemy and take him with you if you can. Respawn near obj, drop more uplinks, charge nearest enemy... I dont have a mic, I solo random only. I am also secure enough to know when I suck it is not the other team's fault. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1757	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:35:00 - [105] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! reads checks corp checks alliance laughs so hard *leaves Nothing like getting 10 proto stompers on 1 team.... This. Q-syncing itself isn't terribad, but it's being done in the worst place for a game. But it's being done in a place which means nothing, and on people who want to have a chill time. Seriously, do you need 12 guys from your corp to win a match that means nothing? Why does it matter to you if you absolutely crush the other guys in a pub? Seriously, it means about as much as spit. Sadly, we all probably know why it's done, particularly by huge corps. Peoe who feel striking their epeen is much more important then have a fun, tight match, with equally matched teams. Don't tell me joining a squad of randoms is any better then being solo, they probably don't have mics either. You don't improve yourself in any way by using the squad finder, you improve the game of the squad lead more then anything, particularly because most random. Squad leads don't know how to be a squad lead. Get Gud only works if the field was level in the first place. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1757	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:40:00 - [106] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: There is no such thing as 'pubstomping' or 'protostomping'. There are good players, and there are bad players. Good players use the best available equipment, and take advantage of mics to coordinate with each other in battles. Bad players refuse to do what the good players do to win, even though the bad players have every chance available. Good players figure out the range of their weapon and pick fights at that range. Bad players never think of this. Good players learn to avoid enemy tanks. Bad players think tanks are the Devil. Good players learn to use a variety weapons. Bad players wonder why the ScR won't one hit everything. Good players trash talk each other on the forums. Bad players threaten to sue CCP over a free game. Good players recognize when they suck. Bad players blame anything else they can find. Yeah, 3 million SP, one month playing, they should pull out their proto suits, link up with their buddies flying top of the line dropships and driving top tanks and play like real men and quit their bitching. What a hero. Slow clap Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 102	Posted - 2014.02.19 01:12:00 - [107] - Quote I just can't stop laughing at this. QQ over people doing whatever they can to win. I feel the need to point out at this time: 1. DUST 514 is a game. EVERY match is meaningless. You don't really win control of real planets in FW. 2. All games have winners and losers. Some games give out medals to everyone. DUST is no exception. You can grenade suicide, go 0/40, directly cause your team to lose, and STILL get 3000 sp and 150k isk EVERY match. 3. My 7 yr old kid made a DUST acct and can get 20 kpm. There is simply no excuse for blaming the other guy's gun, tank, squad, corp, or mother for you trying to play DUST like it was COD. 4. If you do find yourself vapor locking over this game, it's prolly time for a break. Even if you never come back to it, DUST 514 is was free, and you are out nothing. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Captain Crutches Nexus Marines 51	Posted - 2014.02.19 01:40:00 - [108] - Quote Personally, I would be much less frustrated at getting stomped if I was getting stomped by people who really use teamwork and tactics to win or are genuinely better at the game than me, than by people who dominate simply because they run gear that most of the guys on my team have neither the ISK nor the SP to use. Not saying that a lot of the protostompers don't also use teamwork and tactics to their advantage - that's all fine and should be encouraged - but stat padders who run protosquads because they know their gear will squash the opposition without challenge should feel bad because they're turning even beta vets like me off this game, to say nothing of the newberries who see that as their first experience out of the academy. Of course, Scotty should also feel bad because his aptitude for finding appropriate challenges for these protosquads is abysmal, and I'm strongly in favor of a high-priority matchmaking overhaul to create more balanced pub matches in terms of squads and SP. I want to log into Dust for an hour and have fun... kill, die, win, lose, be challenged, not stomped. FW, PC, and any other game modes that affect the greater New Eden universe should remain open to the same anything-goes mindset that Eve is so famous for, but pubs should be a place for people to have fun, not merely a stomping ground for protobears. No, it isn't "practice" for PC/FW, because there's no challenge involved. Bring back corp battles if you want a practice mode, that way one protosquad can fight another protosquad and be challenged on their terms, while more casual or lower SP players can be challenged on their terms in pubs. -My .02 isk Anti-Respec \| Anti-Protostomp \| Anti-"Slayer Logi" \| Pro-Tiericide \| Pro-EVE/Dust Link \| Pro-CCP Winning > KDR
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 228	Posted - 2014.02.19 01:50:00 - [109] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: if they want to separate us this is how they should group pubs selection high sec pub- basic suits only no vehicles no proto weapons (normal payout) low sec pub- basic-advance suits no proto tanks or ads (1.5x normal payout) null sec pub- do what ever the **** you want the cops don't come to this this part of the ghetto (2x normal payout) everyones happy no one gets gear stomped null sec is the blood bath it should be This right here. Meta-level capped matches are the way to go. You should be able to choose the security level match you want to participate in. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1757	Posted - 2014.02.19 02:05:00 - [110] - Quote Captain Crutches wrote: Personally, I would be much less frustrated at getting stomped if I was getting stomped by people who really use teamwork and tactics to win or are genuinely better at the game than me, than by people who dominate simply because they run gear that most of the guys on my team have neither the ISK nor the SP to use. Not saying that a lot of the protostompers don't also use teamwork and tactics to their advantage - that's all fine and should be encouraged - but stat padders who run protosquads because they know their gear will squash the opposition without challenge should feel bad because they're turning even beta vets like me off this game, to say nothing of the newberries who see that as their first experience out of the academy. Of course, Scotty should also feel bad because his aptitude for finding appropriate challenges for these protosquads is abysmal, and I'm strongly in favor of a high-priority matchmaking overhaul to create more balanced pub matches in terms of squads and SP. I want to log into Dust for an hour and have fun... kill, die, win, lose, be challenged, not stomped. FW, PC, and any other game modes that affect the greater New Eden universe should remain open to the same anything-goes mindset that Eve is so famous for, but pubs should be a place for people to have fun, not merely a stomping ground for protobears. No, it isn't "practice" for PC/FW, because there's no challenge involved. Bring back corp battles if you want a practice mode, that way one protosquad can fight another protosquad and be challenged on their terms, while more casual or lower SP players can be challenged on their terms in pubs. -My .02 isk My Likes, take zem all. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?

Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4977	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:37:00 - [111] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: The Attorney General wrote: If you q sync in pubs, you should feel bad because you are bad. Where else are players going to q-synch..? Faction Warfare? Waiting for a match for 15 minutes just so that one or two people get a Scotty error and don't make it in anyway? Just generally easier to q-synch in pub matches than hoping on a whim and a prayer that nothing goes wrong when q-synching FW. Did you know that if you take 12 people and queue up for either Amarr or Caldari you are going to get a match within a couple of minutes because it generates an attack? I guess AE goes looking for hard matches just like DDB. You want to try another bad excuse for why you need to form up to stomp scrubs? Or are you guys finally ready to admit you just want easy mode? Yet another RA corp that has zero interest in "good fights". Your alliance has to be one of the single biggest contributors to people fleeing this game like a sinking ship. Is there a reason you always go for the corp tag in every single one of your responses? It really degrades your argument. It doesn't make you sound smart, witty or even the least bit like you know what you're talking about. Anyone can make generalizations based on corp tags. Point in case, you were part of ZionTCD so you must be a dumbass by your own logic because I was in ZionTCD as well (albeit in closed beta when they were actually worth something, lololol - see, I can troll too). Vague association aside, I run Proto when the enemy runs Proto. Until then, I use BPO gear. Stop making assumptions based on affiliation and, I dunno, do something productive with yourself instead of being butt-hurt/jelly all the time. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
ERYN Warchild Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:39:00 - [112] - Quote I play the game. I snipe (well try too). I get killed. Sometimes I die quickly (which is often), other times I can hold my own and win that duel. They put the time into the game, they have it. I'm okay going 10/3 in my militia gear. I might not be good, but at least I stay positive (both in points and outlook).
The Attorney General 2101	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:21:00 - [113] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Is there a reason you always go for the corp tag in every single one of your responses? It really degrades your argument. It doesn't make you sound smart, witty or even the least bit like you know what you're talking about. Anyone can make generalizations based on corp tags. Point in case, you were part of ZionTCD so you must be a dumbass by your own logic because I was in ZionTCD as well (albeit in closed beta when they were actually worth something, lololol - see, I can troll too). Vague association aside, I run Proto when the enemy runs Proto. Until then, I use BPO gear. Oh, and I run solo 75% of the time. Stop making assumptions based on affiliation and, I dunno, do something productive with yourself instead of being butt-hurt/jelly all the time. So you make a reply, with no actual response to my counter to your argument that q syncing for FW takes too long. I like that. You think I am trolling you, but I am not. RA is an alliance of players who are not respectable. DDB are nothing, NS is a pubstomping corp, and AE, who have quality, but obviously no heart, are not too be taken lightly, but are easily pushed over when the going gets tough. You joined the alliance of cowards. Don't be surprised to get painted by the same brush. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 703	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:42:00 - [114] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: if they want to separate us this is how they should group pubs selection high sec pub- basic suits only no vehicles no proto weapons (normal payout) low sec pub- basic-advance suits no proto tanks or ads (1.5x normal payout) null sec pub- do what ever the **** you want the cops don't come to this this part of the ghetto (2x normal payout) everyones happy no one gets gear stomped null sec is the blood bath it should be This right here. Meta-level capped matches are the way to go. You should be able to choose the security level match you want to participate in. Been saying this since closed Beta. The same reason we don't have cynos, bubbles, carriers, dreads, SCs and Titans in hisec (or DDs in lowsec) is the same reason we shouldn't have proto-f@gs clown-stomping every other pub match. Those items/ships are detrimental to fun gameplay for newer players. All they had to do at launch was create tiers based on the security of the system, adjust rewards accordingly and limit what meta gear can be used in the match. If you want to play with lower sp friends then you need to "ship down" so-to-speak. An organized team will still wipe an unorganized pub group, but it wouldn't be nearly as painful and the perception of unattainable power due to the perceived gear-gap would diminish. Unfortunately, even if it were implemented tomorrow, it would most likely be a day late and a dollar short. The Dust player base is probably too small to implement an effective matchmaking system. So much wasted potential.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 9	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:59:00 - [115] - Quote There are only two problems, 1. Matchmaking system is not balanced. Balancing matches is a must to create enjoyable experience. Matching players skill level to ensure good players are playing against good players should be the goal. I shouldn't be able to join a match, regardless of which kind and have the teams unbalanced. It creates a greater experience for the majority of participants when the chances of winning or equal or as close to equal as possible. If you have joined or. created an excellent team, you should be matched up against quality opponents or at least a quality team. There should be no reason to complain about Proto stomping if the matches are fair and balanced. Those who can run pro to builds should be playing against opponents who are just as capable of running the same gear, have the same skill level, and have the knowledge required to win a battle. This is not the case in the majority of matches and its a huge draw back for the game. 2. You mentioned the fact that teaming and creating large, powerful teams in CoD... Well to counter this in CoD there is a Mercenary setting. Whereby if you want to pick up and play, you don't run into a situation where you battle against an elite squad. There are a lot of benefits to teaming and working together, but there needs to be an option for players to login and play a quick, evenly matched and balanced game. If the elite want to team up into elite teams and "Porto stomp" the weak in ambush or whatever, that's fine for them. But , honestly ruins the experience for the other team, as well as sometimes other members of your own team. Matches should be made so that both sides can win, so strong teams play strong players and teams. If you don't think match making balancing is a serious issue then you don't enjoy a challenge and a video game should be a enjoyable challenge. Unless its demon's souls. Cots
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2994	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:07:00 - [116] - Quote I will continue to play videogames with my friends, even when there are more than 6 of us playing at the same time. I don't care about "stomping" or "noobs" or any other meta nonsense. I play Dust 514 because it supports large organizations of players called corporations. That is literally the only draw this game has right now. So, if you tell me "hey, you can't play with large groups of your corp mates anymore" then I'll just quit playing the game entirely. That being said, when we're qsyncing we always stick to Faction Warfare.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4982	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:53:00 - [117] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Is there a reason you always go for the corp tag in every single one of your responses? It really degrades your argument. It doesn't make you sound smart, witty or even the least bit like you know what you're talking about. Anyone can make generalizations based on corp tags. Point in case, you were part of ZionTCD so you must be a dumbass by your own logic because I was in ZionTCD as well (albeit in closed beta when they were actually worth something, lololol - see, I can troll too). Vague association aside, I run Proto when the enemy runs Proto. Until then, I use BPO gear. Oh, and I run solo 75% of the time. Stop making assumptions based on affiliation and, I dunno, do something productive with yourself instead of being butt-hurt/jelly all the time. So you make a reply, with no actual response to my counter to your argument that q syncing for FW takes too long. I like that. You think I am trolling you, but I am not. RA is an alliance of players who are not respectable. DDB are nothing, NS is a pubstomping corp, and AE, who have quality, but obviously no heart, are not too be taken lightly, but are easily pushed over when the going gets tough. You joined the alliance of cowards. Don't be surprised to get painted by the same brush. I responded to the majority of your post, which is easy to overlook your "point" when most of it consists of... again... Ad Hominem. Which is, incidentally, what this next post consists of. Why should I waste my time debating something when you, like many others, aren't willing to hear any other argument but your own and will use any logical fallacy you can muster to make your argument stand out as anything other than sheer, bitter, acidic bullshit? And the ultimate hilarity of this is that you rope hundreds of players into the same batch because of alphanumeric characters located beneath their character name, stating that they are not respectable and an "alliance of cowards" because of... what, exactly? That they hold 45% of PC and you, for whatever reason, do not? Or is it because of this vague assumption that all RA members are pubstompers, which I find even more humorous because -that's the way the game has been designed-. You are literally getting buttfrustrated because players are using the most competitive tools available in a competitive game to bolster their competitive strengths. Don't like it, go play Halo and find a weapon laying out on the field, maybe that'll be more "challenging" for you. My final point here is that for a man that gets butthurt about players, squads, corporations, alliances or whatever entity q-synching in pubs, you go on the forums and say that you like challenging fights... Interesting. So, you like challenging fights but for some inexplicable reason, pub-matches aren't your venue, despite your obvious assertion that these players are going in pubs SOLELY so they can "stomp". Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 13	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:30:00 - [118] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: I will continue to play videogames with my friends, even when there are more than 6 of us playing at the same time. I don't care about "stomping" or "noobs" or any other meta nonsense. I play Dust 514 because it supports large organizations of players called corporations. That is literally the only draw this game has right now. So, if you tell me "hey, you can't play with large groups of your corp mates anymore" then I'll just quit playing the game entirely. That being said, when we're qsyncing we always stick to Faction Warfare. Nobody is saying that You can't go full squad on pub or even qsync. I don't know why people change their fits to proto when they see that enemy are most militia newberries. Is it fun to go 20/30/40 to 0 with guys who can't do anything else than spawn&die. Very heroic. Make screenshot how U pown noobs. Fantastic. When I see newberries I stick to my dragonfly fit. People dragonfly / militia with full core skills is same as adv tier. But no... The one shoot kill is what I need... Lol Biggest screws are those who can't realise the versatility of vet player. We can make hundrets of dropsuits, each different, each for other purpose. Fresh player don't even know half of things that You can wear. Challenge, challenge, challenge.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 450	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:07:00 - [119] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: What is the description text for a pub contract game? Public Contracts Issued by corporations in high security space, these are available for lone mercenaries or small squads. Restrict high sec to adv gear Create low / null sec contracts that allow proto gear I will show you fear in a handful of dust. 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 666	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:20:00 - [120] - Quote Q-syncing pubs is the lamest thing you can do on dust... We all know how balanced the servers are, so if you bring in 12 there is 0.1% chance of meeting capable opposition .... there is no defending necessary Q-synced pub-stomps just de-value the skills of involved players After battle when you think you did a GG, take a look at scoreboard Wow! 12 of you just took out 10 guys from an NPC corp! Badass!! lol Plasma Cannon will have its chance if AR/HAV 514 is ever fixed

The Attorney General 2112	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:34:00 - [121] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I responded to the majority of your post, which is easy to overlook your "point" when most of it consists of... again... Ad Hominem. Which is, incidentally, what this next post consists of. Why should I waste my time debating something when you, like many others, aren't willing to hear any other argument but your own and will use any logical fallacy you can muster to make your argument stand out as anything other than sheer, bitter, acidic bullshit? And the ultimate hilarity of this is that you rope hundreds of players into the same batch because of alphanumeric characters located beneath their character name, stating that they are not respectable and an "alliance of cowards" because of... what, exactly? That they hold 45% of PC and you, for whatever reason, do not? Or is it because of this vague assumption that all RA members are pubstompers, which I find even more humorous because -that's the way the game has been designed-. You are literally getting buttfrustrated because players are using the most competitive tools available in a competitive game to bolster their competitive strengths. Don't like it, go play Halo and find a weapon laying out on the field, maybe that'll be more "challenging" for you. My final point here is that for a man that gets butthurt about players, squads, corporations, alliances or whatever entity q-synching in pubs, you go on the forums and say that you like challenging fights... Interesting. So, you like challenging fights but for some inexplicable reason, pub-matches aren't your venue, despite your obvious assertion that these players are going in pubs SOLELY so they can "stomp". What is funny is that you claim that I am mad, or butthurt, etc, when my initial contribution to this thread was a single line. I don't care if people proto stomp. I don't care if people q sync FW. But when you Q sync pubs that is just sad. Because there is only one outcome from a q sync in pubs unless your team is awful, and that result is a complete redline within maybe 90 seconds. Redlining an unorganized team is not going to improve your game, will not address strategic or tactical flaws, and might not even provide a noticeable improvement in communication. Next, I hear people saying that q syncing pubs is fun. If standing at the enemy redline, picking them off as they dare to come out is fun for some people, I can't fathom that. It is boring, aside from the occasional trolling that ends up going on, but again, that certainly isn't helping teams get better. Aeon Amadi wrote: My final point here is that for a man that gets butthurt about players, squads, corporations, alliances or whatever entity q-synching in pubs, you go on the forums and say that you like challenging fights... Interesting. So, you like challenging fights but for some inexplicable reason, pub-matches aren't your venue, despite your obvious assertion that these players are going in pubs SOLELY so they can "stomp". I don't think you understand my previous point. I don't play like playing pubs because they are boring. Being on the stomping side means I can run a blaster, rack up a bunch of kills, and be bored to tears. Being on the stomped side means I am forced to hang back, and counter rail, because any team that q syncs a pub is going to spam MLT tanks all match. Having to stay back and slowly pick of weak ineffective tanks is just as boring as stomping noobs. Squad of six in a pub on the other side, my team can still win, if I carry. Team of twelve will farm the reds no matter what I do. Knowing the outcome before the battle takes all the fun out of the game. Q syncing pubs is just exploiting a broken matchmaker to get easy games. Which if you are in a reputable corp should make you hang your head in shame. My first response to this thread still stands, and I have yet to see a compelling defense of q syncing pubs. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 751	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:44:00 - [122] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: If you q sync in pubs, you should feel bad because you are bad. Yeah, why would you even want to do this? Six men is overkill for 90%+ of pubs, you must be bored out of your minds with twelve.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 683	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:00:00 - [123] - Quote what makes it not fun is the one time the blue dots capture the objective the proto stompers place uplinks and camp on all the freaking buildings farming warpoints only to drop several orbitals at one moment in time. then either win by cloning or mcc damage. it happens to often to be a close match. zerg tactics must be nerfed hard.
Zaaeed Massani Zincress 7	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:22:00 - [124] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! A valid argument. My counterpoint is that once you're in a squad, you already dominate the battlefield. Why would you q-sync? It pretty much hands you the win, as you are a completely organised group fighting a completely disorganised rabble. Do you find enjoyment out using your superior teamwork, tactics, and equipment to destroy a virtually defenceless team? Do you realise how sadistic such behaviour is? Yeah, yeah, welcome to New Eden, HTFU. But you see I don't care, I live with this. I fight teams q-synced every so often, and despite the complete and utter domination you place our team under (of which the only real world analogy that comes to mind is r.a.p.e.), I continue to play a game that despite its downs, I really enjoy playing. So no, I'm not judging your tactics, I'm just judging your morality. This just made my day lol
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 43	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:32:00 - [125] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! That's bullshit and you know it. Squads and queue syncing aren't the problem at all (besides the asinine intel sharing mechanics.) Quit hiding behind your ******* 800+ ehp prototype suit.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 945	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:34:00 - [126] - Quote Just this morning ran into two squads of Nyain on other team, ninety seconds in all the blues leave battle but myself and one other guy. We hung in there with sniper rifles against the usual proto spam, at the end I went 7/6, he went 6/5, however I made 575,353 isk!!! Thanks for leaving blues, I'll take that payout anyday!!! CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Zaaeed Massani Zincress 7	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:51:00 - [127] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Just this morning ran into two squads of Nyain on other team, ninety seconds in all the blues leave battle but myself and one other guy. We hung in there with sniper rifles against the usual proto spam, at the end I went 7/6, he went 6/5, however I made 575,353 isk!!! Thanks for leaving blues, I'll take that payout anyday!!! One of my corp mates ran into the same problem but he was alone. He ended up going 0/0 but got paid 775k ISK for staying in it.
Brotherband REMNANT ENFORCERS 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:53:00 - [128] - Quote What does q-sync even mean.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 945	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:07:00 - [129] - Quote Brotherband wrote: What does q-sync even mean. When two squads from same corp, or allied corps que into same battle trying to get on same team. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 881	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:09:00 - [130] - Quote Brotherband wrote: What does q-sync even mean. Its like a Q-tip, for your ass. Who wants some?

Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 215	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:22:00 - [131] - Quote The problem is that everyone hates on big or top corps/alliances with little to no reason like if you enter a match and see a squad of AE, ppl automatically think they're going to use proto or spam tanks when really its ppl from the 10 other players useing proto and spaming tank. but nope the blame and hate always goes to the big corp just because who they are and the fact that they finish top of the match leaderboard so they must of used proto right. if you ask me thats kind of corpist
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 884	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:30:00 - [132] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: The problem is that everyone hates on big or top corps/alliances with little to no reason like if you enter a match and see a squad of AE, ppl automatically think they're going to use proto or spam tanks when really its ppl from the 10 other players useing proto and spaming tank. but nope the blame and hate always goes to the big corp just because who they are and the fact that they finish top of the match leaderboard so they must of used proto right. if you ask me thats kind of corpist Everyone hates losing. I have never seen the elite out and about in anything but proto. Who wants some?
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 513	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:33:00 - [133] - Quote I don't have a problem with queue syncing, I also would support a team deploy option, but you must admit there has to be something that separates you, a vet with a squad or more of proto users, to new players, there must be something in the game that makes you "pick a fight with someone your own size" Yes this something would probably have you fighting other high end corps that are also queue syncing but deal with it, and why deal with it? Because you can, there's nothing wrong with having an easy match now and again to take a break from the hard fights but until something like PVE or player selected match "difficulty" is in the game I believe that people who have been around for a while should take a hit so that new players can have room to move, but if you only want to fight noobs all the time then you are definitely part of the problem. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Scheherazade VII 216	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:37:00 - [134] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is "hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that" well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight. Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!! I'm on the fence, I understand it's the only way to practice tactics in large groups, enveloping objectives, left-and-right flank, but it does destroy pub games for the newbies. really I wish the two could exist separately but ccp seems intent on throwing everybody into the same pool, usually head first kicking and screaming into the deep end!!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 481	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:53:00 - [135] - Quote Lanius Pulvis wrote: You seem to be confusing two things here, Q-syncing and Proto-stomping. I whole-heartedly support syncing, as you say, it's using teamwork to it's fullest. What makes me leave battle if I see a squad plus of Dem Durty Boys is that I know they'll all be proto-stomping. So I guess I half agree with you. That's funny. I am 100% the opposite. I see 2 squads and I think, "My, that's curious". (I don't leave the game, though.) I see a squad of DDB (or a team in proto), and I think, "bring it, this should be good".
Sarus Rambo Legion of Seven 8	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:53:00 - [136] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: really I wish the two could exist separately but ccp seems intent on throwing everybody into the same pool, usually head first kicking and screaming into the deep end!! I'm curious if maybe there just isn't enough people to do matchmaking by SP. Although I wouldn't mind waiting a full minute or 2 if it meant I would get a balanced game 95% of the time. Pub should be balanced, FW should be where the potential imbalances are.
ERYN Warchild Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:09:00 - [137] - Quote So I've read this thread and others. I looked into the game EVE and so some things there. So the veteran players can't take their best gear into a fight. That still doesn't make them new. It only evens the playing field in that they need to get hit less. But they still have the knowledge. So they fit their destroyer or cruiser and head and into the area of the game where the new people are. It is knowing how to use what you have that makes the difference. Regardless of meta level. Tactics and knowledge are the greatest tools to success. Real world example in the reverse. The Regular Vietnamese army could not go head to head with the US military instead they used tactics and knowledge of the land and what they had with them to hold their own. Same thing applies here. You could give the best trained special forces gear from the 70s and 80s and they would still win guaranteed. Instead of this proto-stomping it would adv-stomping. So let's say they restrict meta level in corporate matches to adv or below. And those same 12 queue together. Do you think their chances of success are that much lower because of gear? I don't think so.
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 21	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:12:00 - [138] - Quote fix the LAG first CCP, qsync of "nyan lag" or for that matter any corp or individual lagging in another region's server is a joke. anyone who goes 30+,should be scrutinized; because this game is full of laggers, mashing WASD like a bunch of giant ******** three fingered rat bas-turds.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 887	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:17:00 - [139] - Quote ERYN Warchild wrote: So I've read this thread and others. I looked into the game EVE and so some things there. So the veteran players can't take their best gear into a fight. That still doesn't make them new. It only evens the playing field in that they need to get hit less. But they still have the knowledge. So they fit their destroyer or cruiser and head and into the area of the game where the new people are. It is knowing how to use what you have that makes the difference. Regardless of meta level. Tactics and knowledge are the greatest tools to success. Real world example in the reverse. The Regular Vietnamese army could not go head to head with the US military instead they used tactics and knowledge of the land and what they had with them to hold their own. Same thing applies here. You could give the best trained special forces gear from the 70s and 80s and they would still win guaranteed. Instead of this proto-stomping it would adv-stomping. So let's say they restrict meta level in corporate matches to adv or below. And those same 12 queue together. Do you think their chances of success are that much lower because of gear? I don't think so. then why don't we see advanced stomping? Who wants some?
ERYN Warchild Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:21:00 - [140] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: ERYN Warchild wrote: So I've read this thread and others. I looked into the game EVE and so some things there. So the veteran players can't take their best gear into a fight. That still doesn't make them new. It only evens the playing field in that they need to get hit less. But they still have the knowledge. So they fit their destroyer or cruiser and head and into the area of the game where the new people are. It is knowing how to use what you have that makes the difference. Regardless of meta level. Tactics and knowledge are the greatest tools to success. Real world example in the reverse. The Regular Vietnamese army could not go head to head with the US military instead they used tactics and knowledge of the land and what they had with them to hold their own. Same thing applies here. You could give the best trained special forces gear from the 70s and 80s and they would still win guaranteed. Instead of this proto-stomping it would adv-stomping. So let's say they restrict meta level in corporate matches to adv or below. And those same 12 queue together. Do you think their chances of success are that much lower because of gear? I don't think so. then why don't we see advanced stomping? There is no method in stopping it, until there is it is simply human nature to win. We are a competitive species. We thrive in high stress, competitive areas. Do what you can to win. It is a species trait in nature.

Final Black Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:55:00 - [141] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: then why don't we see advanced stomping oh you do you just get killed by a proto rail rifle and blame the full squad even though it was a random that killed you and not the squad at all, who were stomping in advanced gear useing op teamwork
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 888	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:39:00 - [142] - Quote Final Black wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: then why don't we see advanced stomping oh you do you just get killed by a proto rail rifle and blame the full squad even though it was a random that killed you and not the squad at all, who were stomping in advanced gear useing op teamwork I don't place a lot of blame. I can hold my own against squads. I do empathize with new guys. Who wants some?
Magewarlord Contract Hunters 39	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:55:00 - [143] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Magewarlord wrote: there's nothing wrong with q-syncing, the only problem with "stomping" is the guys who get free money from their corp to run all proto in pub matches. so you have a couple squads of guys who can run all the proto they want vs. people who can't afford to keep running all proto because PROTO COST ISK. The big corps can just pay out ISK for their guys to "proto stomp" pub matches and essentially drive away the lesser players. I say bring back corp battles and maybe let them place bets against each other or something. y does everyone think the "big" corps just give out isk all carefree and **** well idk about other corps but ik for a fact that DDB and STB don't just give out isk for no reason and running out of proto suit isn't a reason by anyones standards well maybe not all but some do or at least MUST. it only takes 2 deaths in a proto suit to lose money for that match, considering 2 full proto suits will cost dang near 300,000 ISK or more. Die thrice and you're certainly "in the hole". Most of the big corps I run into in pub matches are running full proto every time I see them and most are dying a good 4 times or more.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2995	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:20:00 - [144] - Quote OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Baal Roo wrote: I will continue to play videogames with my friends, even when there are more than 6 of us playing at the same time. I don't care about "stomping" or "noobs" or any other meta nonsense. I play Dust 514 because it supports large organizations of players called corporations. That is literally the only draw this game has right now. So, if you tell me "hey, you can't play with large groups of your corp mates anymore" then I'll just quit playing the game entirely. That being said, when we're qsyncing we always stick to Faction Warfare. Nobody is saying that You can't go full squad on pub or even qsync. I don't know why people change their fits to proto when they see that enemy are most militia newberries. Is it fun to go 20/30/40 to 0 with guys who can't do anything else than spawn&die. Very heroic. Make screenshot how U pown noobs. Fantastic. When I see newberries I stick to my dragonfly fit. People dragonfly / militia with full core skills is same as adv tier. But no... The one shoot kill is what I need... Lol Biggest screws are those who can't realise the versatility of vet player. We can make hundrets of dropsuits, each different, each for other purpose. Fresh player don't even know half of things that You can wear. Challenge, challenge, challenge. The problem is that matches like the ones you are describing are not going to be fun for anyone, regardless of what gear the "stompers" are wearing. If we're qsynced up with 12+ guys from the corp all on comms, and we see that we're up against a random smattering of 16 solo players, we know going in that it's going to be quick and boring. So what are the options? 1. We can all throw on militia gear and sit back and give them some "mercy hacks" and drag the game out an extra 15 unnecessary minutes of putzing around or 2. We can just throw on the proto gear, redline their team within 2 minutes, and have the thing over in a few minutes so everyone can queue back up and hope for a more evenly matched game. TheD1CK wrote: Q-syncing pubs is the lamest thing you can do on dust... We all know how balanced the servers are, so if you bring in 12 there is 0.1% chance of meeting capable opposition .... there is no defending necessary Q-synced pub-stomps just de-value the skills of involved players After battle when you think you did a GG, take a look at scoreboard Wow! 12 of you just took out 10 guys from an NPC corp! Badass!! lol Well, it's a good thing Dust 514 is a casual low-skill pub shooter. There is literally no way in Dust 514 to be "badass," nor is there anything that could be classified as "the skills of involved players." For many the only reason they're here playing is because it's a free, easy, and mildly entertaining activity to partake in while hanging out in voice chat.
The Attorney General 2140	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:48:00 - [145] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: The problem is that matches like the ones you are describing are not going to be fun for anyone, regardless of what gear the "stompers" are wearing. If we're qsynced up with 12+ guys from the corp all on comms, and we see that we're up against a random smattering of 16 solo players, we know going in that it's going to be quick and boring. So what are the options? 1. We can all throw on militia gear and sit back and give them some "mercy hacks" and drag the game out an extra 15 unnecessary minutes of putzing around or 2. We can just throw on the proto gear, redline their team within 2 minutes, and have the thing over in a few minutes so everyone can queue back up and hope for a more evenly matched game. Or option 3: Not be scrubs and stack pub matches. Take that to FW and face off against at least a squad of meaningful competition. Seriously, this isn't rocket science. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1762	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:29:00 - [146] - Quote ERYN Warchild wrote: So I've read this thread and others. I looked into the game EVE and so some things there. So the veteran players can't take their best gear into a fight. That still doesn't make them new. It only evens the playing field in that they need to get hit less. But they still have the knowledge. So they fit their destroyer or cruiser and head and into the area of the game where the new people are. It is knowing how to use what you have that makes the difference. Regardless of meta level. Tactics and knowledge are the greatest tools to success. Real world example in the reverse. The Regular Vietnamese army could not go head to head with the US military instead they used tactics and knowledge of the land and what they had with them to hold their own. Same thing applies here. You could give the best trained special forces gear from the 70s and 80s and they would still win guaranteed. Instead of this proto-stomping it would adv-stomping. So let's say they restrict meta level in corporate matches to adv or below. And those same 12 queue together. Do you think their chances of success are that much lower because of gear? I don't think so. I have a few points here... 1- This game's fitting system is much less complicated then EVE's. The only role I can think of that isn't "Fit as many buffer mods as possible" is a scout. Or a glass cannon, which has arguable effectiveness, depending on the situation. 2- This isn't the real world. This isn't Nam. If it was, then the turrets in EVE wouldn't be instant, Spaceships wouldn't just hold dead still in orbit, and light would go on forever. And cloning would be ridiculously expensive, and probably illegal some places. Just because the Vietnamese beat the US Army doesn't mean that a video game should have the same effect. If DUST was going for that, then I could understand that you know, that be a thing. But this isn't that. This a game which, if you want a more accurate representation, would be more conventional war. The idea that anything would COMPLETELY level the playing field is crazy and dumb, but making so those in big corps, with the funding, the SP, and the fact the over half the team are all in their corp are either not completely overwhelming to those in lower-tier gear. I find it funny that you think that a bunch of dudes in 400-575 HP suits w/ standard guns can fight off an almost full line up of protobears in 800-1000 HP suits, with weapons that sneeze and wipe out half the population of Texas can be fought an any way the game demands you play. It can't, unless you hang in the redline and play "Guerilla Style" and take pot shots at the bears with your sniper. Which can't be done if you trained as a frontline assault (Which a large majority did). Teamwork can only bring you so far against people with twice the health as you. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 69	Posted - 2014.02.20 05:06:00 - [147] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: I just can't stop laughing at this. QQ over people doing whatever they can to win. I feel the need to point out at this time: 1. DUST 514 is a game. EVERY match is meaningless. You don't really win control of real planets in FW. 2. All games have winners and losers. Some games give out medals to everyone. DUST is no exception. You can grenade suicide, go 0/40, directly cause your team to lose, and STILL get 3000 sp and 150k isk EVERY match. 3. My 7 yr old kid made a DUST acct and can get 20 kpm. There is simply no excuse for blaming the other guy's gun, tank, squad, corp, or mother for you trying to play DUST like it was COD. 4. If you do find yourself vapor locking over this game, it's prolly time for a break. Even if you never come back to it, DUST 514 is was free, and you are out nothing. My 3 yr old poodle gets 26kpm there is no reason noobs don't get at least 30 kpm duh! Its their own fault lol! The sauce will thicken...as you like!
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 134	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:05:00 - [148] - Quote Xander is right. Nothing wrong with wanting your guys that you can run comms with on your team. It's keeps me from cussing out the stupidity of blueberries. However, there is somethingg wrong with checking the leaderboards, seeing no actual squads, and deciding to run proto gear in the pubs?! If I can kill the reds with a frontline suit, why use proto gear? I'm not in the business of pouring salt in wounds. I fight the enemy with as much intensity as the next man. In the pubs it's advanced and below. FW it's kid gloves off advanced gear and up. PC is a waste of time and risk honestly, but if the corp goes in so do I. If you're as good as most of you claim, you don't need proto gear to make up for the lack of tactics and stick skills. If you never saw me in faction warfare you wouldn't know I had proto gear lol. My wallet is more important than my k/dr, and my reputation precedes the hell out of me for being a "knife fight in a phone booth" type of guy. Running lower level gear saves you money, keeps the stick skills honed, and keeps you grounded. A lot of you think your better than you are. That's just fact. I love a good q since like the next man because you can communicate with more members, but we ain't q sincing in full proto in the pubs. That's pathetic. "Anybody order chaos?"
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2995	Posted - 2014.02.20 10:47:00 - [149] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Baal Roo wrote: The problem is that matches like the ones you are describing are not going to be fun for anyone, regardless of what gear the "stompers" are wearing. If we're qsynced up with 12+ guys from the corp all on comms, and we see that we're up against a random smattering of 16 solo players, we know going in that it's going to be quick and boring. So what are the options? 1. We can all throw on militia gear and sit back and give them some "mercy hacks" and drag the game out an extra 15 unnecessary minutes of putzing around or 2. We can just throw on the proto gear, redline their team within 2 minutes, and have the thing over in a few minutes so everyone can queue back up and hope for a more evenly matched game. Or option 3: Not be scrubs and stack pub matches. Take that to FW and face off against at least a squad of meaningful competition. Seriously, this isn't rocket science. Ah true, my own corp spends 99% of our time in Faction Warfare, but I've noticed very little (if any) difference in the level of play between the modes. 9 out of 10 of our FW matches are against 16 randoms that put up little to no resistance. FW/Instant is pretty much 6 of 1, half dozen of the other.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 976	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:04:00 - [150] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Xander is right. Nothing wrong with wanting your guys that you can run comms with on your team. It's keeps me from cussing out the stupidity of blueberries. However, there is something wrong with checking the leaderboards, seeing no actual squads, and deciding to run proto gear in the pubs?! If I can kill the reds with a frontline suit, why use proto gear? I'm not in the business of pouring salt in wounds. I fight the enemy with as much intensity as the next man. In the pubs it's advanced and below. FW it's kid gloves off advanced gear and up. PC is a waste of time and isk honestly, but if the corp goes in so do I. If you're as good as most of you claim, you don't need proto gear to make up for the lack of tactics and stick skills. If you never saw me in faction warfare you wouldn't know I had proto gear lol. My wallet is more important than my k/dr, and my reputation precedes the hell out of me for being a "knife fight in a phone booth" type of guy. Running lower level gear saves you money, keeps the stick skills honed, and keeps you grounded. A lot of you think your better than you are. That's just fact. I love a good q since like the next man because you can communicate with more members, but we ain't q sincing in full proto in the pubs. That's pathetic. Well said, we share the same views. We que sync all the time. Last night was militia gear night, it makes it a lot more challenging and really makes you think about every move when wearing more "squishy" suits. When it comes time to run the proto, it makes you that much more effective. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~



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