I responded to the majority of your post, which is easy to overlook your "point" when most of it consists of... again... Ad Hominem. Which is, incidentally, what this next post consists of. Why should I waste my time debating something when you, like many others, aren't willing to hear any other argument but your own and will use any logical fallacy you can muster to make your argument stand out as anything other than sheer, bitter, acidic bullshit?

And the ultimate hilarity of this is that you rope hundreds of players into the same batch because of alphanumeric characters located beneath their character name, stating that they are not respectable and an "alliance of cowards" because of... what, exactly? That they hold 45% of PC and you, for whatever reason, do not? Or is it because of this vague assumption that all RA members are pubstompers, which I find even more humorous because -that's the way the game has been designed-. You are literally getting buttfrustrated because players are using the most competitive tools available in a competitive game to bolster their competitive strengths. Don't like it, go play Halo and find a weapon laying out on the field, maybe that'll be more "challenging" for you.

My final point here is that for a man that gets butthurt about players, squads, corporations, alliances or whatever entity q-synching in pubs, you go on the forums and say that you like challenging fights... Interesting. So, you like challenging fights but for some inexplicable reason, pub-matches aren't your venue, despite your obvious assertion that these players are going in pubs SOLELY so they can "stomp".

My final point here is that for a man that gets butthurt about players, squads, corporations, alliances or whatever entity q-synching in pubs, you go on the forums and say that you like challenging fights... Interesting. So, you like challenging fights but for some inexplicable reason, pub-matches aren't your venue, despite your obvious assertion that these players are going in pubs SOLELY so they can "stomp".

If you q sync in pubs, you should feel bad because you are bad.

A valid argument. My counterpoint is that once you're in a squad, you already dominate the battlefield. Why would you q-sync? It pretty much hands you the win, as you are a completely organised group fighting a completely disorganised rabble. Do you find enjoyment out using your superior teamwork, tactics, and equipment to destroy a virtually defenceless team? Do you realise how sadistic such behaviour is?

Yeah, yeah, welcome to New Eden, HTFU. But you see I don't care, I live with this. I fight teams q-synced every so often, and despite the complete and utter domination you place our team under (of which the only real world analogy that comes to mind is r.a.p.e.), I continue to play a game that despite its downs, I really enjoy playing.

So no, I'm not judging your tactics, I'm just judging your morality.

Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is
"hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that"
well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight.
Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!!

Just this morning ran into two squads of Nyain on other team, ninety seconds in all the blues leave battle but myself and one other guy. We hung in there with sniper rifles against the usual proto spam, at the end I went 7/6, he went 6/5, however I made 575,353 isk!!! Thanks for leaving blues, I'll take that payout anyday!!!

What does q-sync even mean.

What does q-sync even mean.

The problem is that everyone hates on big or top corps/alliances with little to no reason like if you enter a match and see a squad of AE, ppl automatically think they're going to use proto or spam tanks when really its ppl from the 10 other players useing proto and spaming tank. but nope the blame and hate always goes to the big corp just because who they are and the fact that they finish top of the match leaderboard so they must of used proto right.
if you ask me thats kind of corpist

Theres nothing wrong with running q-sync in pubs. The only defences between running solo or with a squad is the communication between players. So pretty much all your saying is
"hey these guys are playing as a team and working together, thats not fair why can i do that"
well you can its called squading up and it doesn't cost you any sp or isk in fact it may just save you some. And if thats not enough ccp even gave you away to make it easier than it ever was before with squad finder. So get in there start a squad and give us "Stompers" a good fight.
Remember like a great earth loving man once said: THE POWER IS YOURS!!!

You seem to be confusing two things here, Q-syncing and Proto-stomping. I whole-heartedly support syncing, as you say, it's using teamwork to it's fullest. What makes me leave battle if I see a squad plus of Dem Durty Boys is that I know they'll all be proto-stomping. So I guess I half agree with you.

really I wish the two could exist separately but ccp seems intent on throwing everybody into the same pool,
usually head first kicking and screaming into the deep end!!

So I've read this thread and others. I looked into the game EVE and so some things there. So the veteran players can't take their best gear into a fight. That still doesn't make them new. It only evens the playing field in that they need to get hit less. But they still have the knowledge. So they fit their destroyer or cruiser and head and into the area of the game where the new people are. It is knowing how to use what you have that makes the difference. Regardless of meta level. Tactics and knowledge are the greatest tools to success.

Real world example in the reverse. The Regular Vietnamese army could not go head to head with the US military instead they used tactics and knowledge of the land and what they had with them to hold their own. Same thing applies here. You could give the best trained special forces gear from the 70s and 80s and they would still win guaranteed. Instead of this proto-stomping it would adv-stomping.

So let's say they restrict meta level in corporate matches to adv or below. And those same 12 queue together. Do you think their chances of success are that much lower because of gear? I don't think so.

then why don't we see advanced stomping?

then why don't we see advanced stomping

oh you do you just get killed by a proto rail rifle and blame the full squad even though it was a random that killed you and not the squad at all, who were stomping in advanced gear useing op teamwork

y does everyone think the "big" corps just give out isk all carefree and **** well idk about other corps but ik for a fact that DDB and STB don't just give out isk for no reason and running out of proto suit isn't a reason by anyones standards

Nobody is saying that You can't go full squad on pub or even qsync. I don't know why people change their fits to proto when they see that enemy are most militia newberries. Is it fun to go 20/30/40 to 0 with guys who can't do anything else than spawn&die. Very heroic. Make screenshot how U pown noobs. Fantastic.

When I see newberries I stick to my dragonfly fit. People dragonfly / militia with full core skills is same as adv tier. But no... The one shoot kill is what I need... Lol

Biggest screws are those who can't realise the versatility of vet player. We can make hundrets of dropsuits, each different, each for other purpose. Fresh player don't even know half of things that You can wear.

Challenge, challenge, challenge.

Q-syncing pubs is the lamest thing you can do on dust...
We all know how balanced the servers are, so if you bring in 12 there is 0.1% chance
of meeting capable opposition .... there is no defending necessary

Q-synced pub-stomps just de-value the skills of involved players
After battle when you think you did a GG, take a look at scoreboard

Wow! 12 of you just took out 10 guys from an NPC corp! Badass!! lol

The problem is that matches like the ones you are describing are not going to be fun for anyone, regardless of what gear the "stompers" are wearing. If we're qsynced up with 12+ guys from the corp all on comms, and we see that we're up against a random smattering of 16 solo players, we know going in that it's going to be quick and boring.

So what are the options?

1. We can all throw on militia gear and sit back and give them some "mercy hacks" and drag the game out an extra 15 unnecessary minutes of putzing around

or

2. We can just throw on the proto gear, redline their team within 2 minutes, and have the thing over in a few minutes so everyone can queue back up and hope for a more evenly matched game.

So I've read this thread and others. I looked into the game EVE and so some things there. So the veteran players can't take their best gear into a fight. That still doesn't make them new. It only evens the playing field in that they need to get hit less. But they still have the knowledge. So they fit their destroyer or cruiser and head and into the area of the game where the new people are. It is knowing how to use what you have that makes the difference. Regardless of meta level. Tactics and knowledge are the greatest tools to success.

Real world example in the reverse. The Regular Vietnamese army could not go head to head with the US military instead they used tactics and knowledge of the land and what they had with them to hold their own. Same thing applies here. You could give the best trained special forces gear from the 70s and 80s and they would still win guaranteed. Instead of this proto-stomping it would adv-stomping.

So let's say they restrict meta level in corporate matches to adv or below. And those same 12 queue together. Do you think their chances of success are that much lower because of gear? I don't think so.

I just can't stop laughing at this. QQ over people doing whatever they can to win. I feel the need to point out at this time:
1. DUST 514 is a game. EVERY match is meaningless. You don't really win control of real planets in FW.
2. All games have winners and losers. Some games give out medals to everyone. DUST is no exception. You can grenade suicide, go 0/40, directly cause your team to lose, and STILL get 3000 sp and 150k isk EVERY match.
3. My 7 yr old kid made a DUST acct and can get 20 kpm. There is simply no excuse for blaming the other guy's gun, tank, squad, corp, or mother for you trying to play DUST like it was COD.
4. If you do find yourself vapor locking over this game, it's prolly time for a break. Even if you never come back to it, DUST 514 is was free, and you are out nothing.

Or option 3:

Not be scrubs and stack pub matches. Take that to FW and face off against at least a squad of meaningful competition.

Seriously, this isn't rocket science.

Xander is right. Nothing wrong with wanting your guys that you can run comms with on your team. It's keeps me from cussing out the stupidity of blueberries. However, there is something wrong with checking the leaderboards, seeing no actual squads, and deciding to run proto gear in the pubs?!

If I can kill the reds with a frontline suit, why use proto gear? I'm not in the business of pouring salt in wounds. I fight the enemy with as much intensity as the next man. In the pubs it's advanced and below. FW it's kid gloves off advanced gear and up. PC is a waste of time and isk honestly, but if the corp goes in so do I.

If you're as good as most of you claim, you don't need proto gear to make up for the lack of tactics and stick skills. If you never saw me in faction warfare you wouldn't know I had proto gear lol. My wallet is more important than my k/dr, and my reputation precedes the hell out of me for being a "knife fight in a phone booth" type of guy. Running lower level gear saves you money, keeps the stick skills honed, and keeps you grounded. A lot of you think your better than you are. That's just fact.

I love a good q since like the next man because you can communicate with more members, but we ain't q sincing in full proto in the pubs. That's pathetic.