DUST Search - Scrambler Rifle on Amarr suit is OP

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Just my personal opinion but I don't think the high rate of fire is necessary for this weapon. It's supposed to perform as a good mid-range contender, having the second longest range out of the racial rifle line-up but due to it's ability to charge and it's high rate of fire is capable at all ranges. This overshadows the Tactical Assault Rifle, which had it's clip-size, hipfire, rate of fire and range all cut in various different builds. The most recent of, 1.7, which saw a -huge- reduction in range.

Comparing the rate of fire in this video (mind the chatter, my voice cannot be heard in this video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXeML0Zu9tQ

It seems rather illogical to me that the weapon with the longer range not only has a faster rate of fire, a larger magazine, more damage per shot, a tighter hipfire but the ability to charge for x2.9 damage. The only thing that the Tactical Assault Rifle has over the Scrambler Rifle is the fact that it does slightly more damage to armor, but it's marginal given the damage values of the weapons.

Another important factor to keep in mind is that, given the rate of fire, you can fire off more rounds with a scrambler rifle than the Tactical Assault has in it's magazine before it overheats. Keep in mind that in this video, I am using a Templar Sentinel - which does not receive a bonus to the Scrambler Rifle.

Now, I know that the argument that the TAR is an emulator of the Scrambler and isn't supposed to perform the same but this is something I'm starkly against because I personally feel that each weapon should have it's own feel and theme. It shouldn't -just- be an under-powered version as this creates power creep. Much to the same argument, if this is the case, than the assault variants of all the other rifles should under-perform compared to the Assault Rifle, whereas they are comparable or even better in some areas.

IMO: The weapon needs a rate of fire reduction and perhaps some lower damage to compensate for it's longer range and ability to charge up. That or the Tactical Assault Rifle needs a major buff as to keep up with power creep. EDIT: This needs to be handled with a scalpel, however. Not the hammer that things have been nerfed with in previous builds.

ANOTHER EDIT: Despite popular belief, I am not using a modded controller in the video. I am using the standard Six-Axis DS3.


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CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 664	Posted - 2014.02.15 03:03:00 - [1] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time? Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights. 1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target. The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's. I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that.... SCR - 1 v 1 RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed AR - ditto CR - ditto Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!" Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time. That's total BS and you know it. I have seen viziams take on 3-4 people all in good suits and the viziam owns all. Granted it does reward the good player but it is somewhat OP. Just like the RR and CR are both somewhat OP. I am interested to see what CCP will do about balance in 1.8 because anyone can easily see there is literally 0 balance in this game in any way shape or form.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 664	Posted - 2014.02.15 03:07:00 - [2] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Just my personal opinion but I don't think the high rate of fire is necessary for this weapon. It's supposed to perform as a good mid-range contender, having the second longest range out of the racial rifle line-up but due to it's ability to charge and it's high rate of fire is capable at all ranges. This overshadows the Tactical Assault Rifle, which had it's clip-size, hipfire, rate of fire and range all cut in various different builds. The most recent of, 1.7, which saw a -huge- reduction in range. Comparing the rate of fire in this video (mind the chatter, my voice cannot be heard in this video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXeML0Zu9tQ It seems rather illogical to me that the weapon with the longer range not only has a faster rate of fire, a larger magazine, more damage per shot, a tighter hipfire but the ability to charge for x2.9 damage. The only thing that the Tactical Assault Rifle has over the Scrambler Rifle is the fact that it does slightly more damage to armor, but it's marginal given the damage values of the weapons. Another important factor to keep in mind is that, given the rate of fire, you can fire off more rounds with a scrambler rifle than the Tactical Assault has in it's magazine before it overheats. Keep in mind that in this video, I am using a Templar Sentinel - which does not receive a bonus to the Scrambler Rifle. Now, I know that the argument that the TAR is an emulator of the Scrambler and isn't supposed to perform the same but this is something I'm starkly against because I personally feel that each weapon should have it's own feel and theme. It shouldn't -just- be an under-powered version as this creates power creep. Much to the same argument, if this is the case, than the assault variants of all the other rifles should under-perform compared to the Assault Rifle, whereas they are comparable or even better in some areas. IMO: The weapon needs a rate of fire reduction and perhaps some lower damage to compensate for it's longer range and ability to charge up. That or the Tactical Assault Rifle needs a major buff as to keep up with power creep. EDIT: This needs to be handled with a scalpel, however. Not the hammer that things have been nerfed with in previous builds. ANOTHER EDIT: Despite popular belief, I am not using a modded controller in the video. I am using the standard Six-Axis DS3. Thanks Aeon. I totally agree with you on all points. The TAC received a stupidly heavy handed nerf yet the scrambler continues its legacy while not only being better in almost every regard (Larger clip, much faster fire rate etc..) but also has the charge shot mechanic. Seriously I can only assume the people working on this game have little knowledge abotu balance in FPS`s because clearly there is none in DUST.