IMan, i hate when i go into a pub with my proto gallogi with triple damage mods and 5 plates that i can actually be killed by someone who is smarter than me. I really hate equipment that doesn't show up on my radar because I'm blind to my surroundings without a proto quantum active scanner, and things that can kill me, and don't show up when i use my scanner? OP. I want to go back to battle academy again so i can fight against people who don't know how to counter proto stompers. I demand that all tactics that may be used to kill a gallogi or a militia tank be removed from the game.

1) No. There is no reason the remote explosive shouldn't be throwable. I personally have never used them so this isn't me trying to exploit them, but since the explosive is clearly stable enough to be thrown and as it needs a detonator to set it off, throwing one is a valid tactic.

2) Again, no. That would negate their use as traps which is the main reason they're used. They should be scannable with an active scanner, and the pack itself should be visible, although small enough to miss if you're not specifically looking for it, but your passive proximity scan shouldn't be able to scan it.

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It cannot be used for contact grenading because of it's arm times. In order for it to be a contact grenade, it would have to:

• Explode on contact.
• Explode without user interference

The only explosive that could possibly be considered a contact grenade, is the Proximity Explosive. However, these are irrelevant as they don't work against infantry, and you are only trying to nerf Remote Explosives against infantry.

If your going to attempt to disprove my argument, then you may want to refute with something other than "Yes, its stupid."

No, it's not. If it were because of a bug, that would be an exploit. Since it's not, its a mechanic. It may possibly be a mechanic that CCP didn't anticipate (without official word from them, we just don't know), but it's still a mechanic.

I don't know what you guys heard when i read this, but this is what i heard.

Then stop abusing the remotes the way they werent intended

Ccp said sticky remotes were unintentional and will be fixed
Detonating while bleeding out will be fixed

But continue exploiting

They said remotes sticking to friendly vehicles was unintentional.

I use a 160000isk proto logi when I suicide RE.

Happy Violentimes day xxx

Just say "No" to nerfing

But continue exploiting

Increase the time it takes to arm the remote by 1 second or 2
Fix the bug where you can detonate while bleeding out
Make the explosive disapear after you bleed out
Keep the sticky explosives but no longer can they be placed on friendly vehicles
MAYBE reduce radius by 1m.


Im sick of people abusing these thing in ambush, they just come in throw thier remote grenade and detonate even if you kill them.


Just to be clear, I only want these nerfed vs infantry, if you kill them you have no time to shoot thier body before they kill you.

Your a FU(K!NG IDIOT!

You mad bro?

How long you been playing? Cuz you obviously suck if someone gets close enough to do that, PLUS IT'S NOT A GLITCH A$$HOLE, THEY HAVE WORKED THIS WAY SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME, I hope your wife screws your best friend you whinny little prick!

Your a FU(K!NG IDIOT!

You mad bro?

How long you been playing? Cuz you obviously suck if someone gets close enough to do that, PLUS IT'S NOT A GLITCH A$$HOLE, THEY HAVE WORKED THIS WAY SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME, I hope your wife screws your best friend you whinny little prick!

LOL! I always enjoy reading your posts, OZAROW. You always cut out all the fluff and strike at the bone without any consideration for politically correct terms or other such lily-daisy stuff.

No, im just saying not with a insta kill contact grenade, im fine if they were better and used a gun, but they werent and used a insta kill device

Increase the time it takes to arm the remote by 1 second or 2
Fix the bug where you can detonate while bleeding out
Make the explosive disapear after you bleed out
Keep the sticky explosives but no longer can they be placed on friendly vehicles
MAYBE reduce radius by 1m.


Im sick of people abusing these thing in ambush, they just come in throw thier remote grenade and detonate even if you kill them.


Just to be clear, I only want these nerfed vs infantry, if you kill them you have no time to shoot thier body before they kill you.

Have you ever been trapped in a building? And its called balance

I'm getting a bit tired of REs as well, but I realize that, for the most part, if I walk into a RE trap, it's pretty much my fault, and that my game needs to be stepped up a tad. That having been said, there are a lot of FOTM players abusing them at the moment. I would like the following changed:

1) No throwing REs: Proximity explosives don't work that way, why should REs? People weren't complaining about them before because you couldn't throw them any significant distance, so they had to be placed carefully -- which means if you walk into an RE trap, it was pretty much your fault. That's fair, I never got mad by getting blown at an objective when hacking; I should have chucked a grenade in there beforehand. But seriously, players are chucking them close range like grenades now, and it's ridiculous. The distance you can throw those things needs to be nerfed into the ground -- enough to put them on a wall or ceiling maybe, but not much more than that.

2) They should be visible equipment, same as enemy uplinks and hives. All enemy equipment shows on the map when your suite is within a certain distance to scan them, and there's no reason enemy REs shouldn't operate exactly the same. I would prefer that they become visible at their maximum radius, so that if you are close enough to see them and they blow, you at least take splash damage, but at the very least, they need to show when you are within it's most powerful blast radius.

I expect a lot of FOTM players to hate these suggestions, but too bad -- too many of you are using REs as crutches for your horrible gun game. I ran into a bunch of proto scrubs last night who did nothing but spam core locus and REs from the underground supply depot in the new research facility Dom, which they ended up winning cause nobody could move down any of the hallways. Couple matches later we met them again on one of the open maps where they couldn't spam explosives (the dom with the tall spire on top of the steep hill at A), and ended up causing most of them to go negative clone-wise.

They should be allowed to be, let say "tossed", so you can get them on a wall or ceiling. 1-2 meters at most. Not throwable. Grenades are throwable, that's what they are freakin' for. RE's are not.


I don't agree. All enemy equipment is visible if you are close enough, and REs break that rule. However, I'd settle for scanable, that's a fair compromise -- and no, it would not negate their use as traps. It would require the trap layers to "get gud" at laying their traps, like it was before, which is what the FOTM RE players in this thread are telling those players who are tired of RE spam -- to that I say, make REs visible within their blast radius, and "get gud" right back at ya.

Pump the mudda f*ckin' brakes, son!

The only thing REs need is the detonation after death bug fixed. If you're bleeding out, you aren't allowed to still fire your gun, or use equipment of any other kind, so REs should no exception.

They are great equalizers in battle, and require more skill, risk, and action than MDs and nades.

They probably should be moved to the grenade slot, or not replaceable by Supply Depots & Nanohives. I don't get Uplinks and Nanohives restored, REs shouldn't be able to either if they are to be treated as equipment and not weaponry.


At this point in time, if you're still falling for RE traps, then you need to evolve your game to a higher level.

Ah, you people are retards or something, they rush at you in building, no traps just rushing

No because jihod Jeep is the only way to kill proto tankers

Yea, no, its called they rush you in a tiny building and detonate almost instantly
And a new glitch in 1.7 was detonating while down.
Also nice to know your corp is filled with kids....

I'm getting a bit tired of REs as well, but I realize that, for the most part, if I walk into a RE trap, it's pretty much my fault, and that my game needs to be stepped up a tad. That having been said, there are a lot of FOTM players abusing them at the moment. I would like the following changed:

1) No throwing REs: Proximity explosives don't work that way, why should REs? People weren't complaining about them before because you couldn't throw them any significant distance, so they had to be placed carefully -- which means if you walk into an RE trap, it was pretty much your fault. That's fair, I never got mad by getting blown at an objective when hacking; I should have chucked a grenade in there beforehand. But seriously, players are chucking them close range like grenades now, and it's ridiculous. The distance you can throw those things needs to be nerfed into the ground -- enough to put them on a wall or ceiling maybe, but not much more than that.

2) They should be visible equipment, same as enemy uplinks and hives. All enemy equipment shows on the map when your suite is within a certain distance to scan them, and there's no reason enemy REs shouldn't operate exactly the same. I would prefer that they become visible at their maximum radius, so that if you are close enough to see them and they blow, you at least take splash damage, but at the very least, they need to show when you are within it's most powerful blast radius.

I expect a lot of FOTM players to hate these suggestions, but too bad -- too many of you are using REs as crutches for your horrible gun game. I ran into a bunch of proto scrubs last night who did nothing but spam core locus and REs from the underground supply depot in the new research facility Dom, which they ended up winning cause nobody could move down any of the hallways. Couple matches later we met them again on one of the open maps where they couldn't spam explosives (the dom with the tall spire on top of the steep hill at A), and ended up causing most of them to go negative clone-wise.

When did they add PRO tanks?

Wow, I thought I'd hear shouts of joy from Tankers all across the forums when that happened.

I guess they're just keeping subdued since they don't want to cause anymore QQ than MLT and STD ones already do.