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Royalgiedro
Nor Clan Combat Logistics
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Posted - 2014.02.12 05:26:00 -
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I was recently using my thale's-07 sniper during a FW match when a teammate decided to walk up behind me and shoot me in the back until I died. This is obviously purposeful since I turned around and he stared at me for a second before he switched to his SMG and finished me off. This all being in out redline. I believe that losing my thale and LP proto suit to this to be complete BS. I propose that there should be a item protection feature. In order to avoid having organized team killing to avoid losing officer weapons during combat I propose that if you are killed by a teammate and you had 90% health remaining when you started to be shot, with the enemy not shooting you in the progress, you should be reimbursed for your suit and have it not count as a death. This had happened several times and is extremely irritating. If you could help fix this issue that would be greatly appreciated. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1262
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Posted - 2014.02.12 05:30:00 -
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Nope. You should not be reimbursed a single thing.
1) You brought that Thales into a battle which you knew had FF enabled.
2) You didn't pay anything for it so I have no idea how CCP would be able to give you anything back for it.
3) You just admitted you were redline sniping which means that not only were you being a useless KDR padder but you were also doing absolutely nothing to help your team.
If I had been in that game I would have killed you too. Then I would have picked you up, and killed you again, until I ran out of patience and bled your corpse out.
Fun > Realism
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4870
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Posted - 2014.02.12 05:33:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Nope. You should not be reimbursed a single thing.
1) You brought that Thales into a battle which you knew had FF enabled.
2) You didn't pay anything for it so I have no idea how CCP would be able to give you anything back for it.
3) You just admitted you were redline sniping which means that not only were you being a useless KDR padder but you were also doing absolutely nothing to help you team.
If I had been in that game I would have killed you too. Then picked you up and killed you again until I ran out of patience and bled your corpse out.
While I agree with all of the above points, the general hatred for Thale's snipers clouds a lot of people's vision. I don't use them because I know for a fact someone will team-kill me solely because of the Thales, regardless of how much I'm helping my team. I've posted videos on how I operate with a sniper rifle, calling out targets for my squad long before they enter scanner range and saving asses. All in all, it's more of a shame than anything that people will team-kill solely because of the name of the weapon used.
Weaponist bastards 
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Felix Summers
Black Death Pirates
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Posted - 2014.02.12 05:37:00 -
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Friendly fire, I don't like it too many people abuse it. it ruins the game also why would a faction hire a merc who kills team mates... if your gonna have that make the blueberrys change colour to traitor yellow. |
Admonishment
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.02.12 06:57:00 -
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I don't trust randoms in fw...ever. If I notice someone following me around every single corner with their weapon aimed at my back for longer than usual, I turn around and pull the trigger. Only thing I trust following me is a logi with a rep tool, anything else...I start a count down. Mainly due to past experiences with being randomly shot in the back to near death. If you are wearing an expensive fit you are definitely going be targeted, even if you are being helpful to the team they will kill you just to cause grief. Another thing they like to try is kill you at the very last second lol. Some will try to kill you simply because they don't like what you are using. I definitely wouldn't use a officer weapon unless you are with corp members and someone can revive you just in case of attempted griefing. But even then I still avoid using them. They should definitely be marked as a traitor/enemy after a certain amount of damage/kills. That way you can kill them without penalty. It would end some of the problems, the other persistent ones can be dealt with 
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Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.02.12 07:02:00 -
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That's why I believe if someone is attacking you like that you should be allowed to kill them without penalty. Kinda hard to implement I would imagine.
"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
579
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Posted - 2014.02.12 08:14:00 -
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Royalgiedro wrote:I was recently using my thale's-07 sniper during a FW match when a teammate decided to walk up behind me and shoot me in the back until I died. This is obviously purposeful since I turned around and he stared at me for a second before he switched to his SMG and finished me off. This all being in out redline. I believe that losing my thale and LP proto suit to this to be complete BS. I propose that there should be a item protection feature. In order to avoid having organized team killing to avoid losing officer weapons during combat I propose that if you are killed by a teammate and you had 90% health remaining when you started to be shot, with the enemy not shooting you in the progress, you should be reimbursed for your suit and have it not count as a death. This had happened several times and is extremely irritating. If you could help fix this issue that would be greatly appreciated.
ha ha
Who wants some?
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killertojo42
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.12 08:39:00 -
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Royalgiedro wrote:I was recently using my thale's-07 sniper during a FW match when a teammate decided to walk up behind me and shoot me in the back until I died. This is obviously purposeful since I turned around and he stared at me for a second before he switched to his SMG and finished me off. This all being in out redline. I believe that losing my thale and LP proto suit to this to be complete BS. I propose that there should be a item protection feature. In order to avoid having organized team killing to avoid losing officer weapons during combat I propose that if you are killed by a teammate and you had 90% health remaining when you started to be shot, with the enemy not shooting you in the progress, you should be reimbursed for your suit and have it not count as a death. This had happened several times and is extremely irritating. If you could help fix this issue that would be greatly appreciated.
Honestly why were you running anything but a starter fit in FW since it doesn't pay any isk in the first place?
When walking on the battlefield i stand alone
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.12 09:59:00 -
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Felix Summers wrote:Friendly fire, I don't like it too many people abuse it. it ruins the game also why would a faction hire a merc who kills team mates... if your gonna have that make the blueberrys change colour to traitor yellow.
I dooooo but that said we really need tiered FW matches instead of the setup we have, I think CCP wanted that too but there is just isn't enough players for that sort of thing. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2014.02.12 10:06:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:That's why I believe if someone is attacking you like that you should be allowed to kill them without penalty. Kinda hard to implement I would imagine.
Actually this would be a good idea if some one kills you or they deal over say 1k dmg (not counting equipment) you can kill them with out any penalty at any point in that match, if they fight back it will only accelerate them getting kicked. I also think they should have to farm back up the right to play in FW matches, not sure how tho. right to kill would be indicated by them showing up with a different color tag. |
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
377
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Posted - 2014.02.12 15:11:00 -
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Felix Summers wrote:Friendly fire, I don't like it too many people abuse it. it ruins the game also why would a faction hire a merc who kills team mates... if your gonna have that make the blueberrys change colour to traitor yellow.
I made the same suggestion about the color and added that one should not be banned for killing said merc and salvaging all materials while they get none. I've had this happen to me so OP I feel for you and this has lead me to use only the basic of materials in FW but my basic hits like advance and some proto because of the level in proficiency. You were just trying to help the cause but now you know to help yourself.
Hell look at the responses you are getting and learn from that alone. These fools don't care about you. I had to learn the hard way myself.
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
ACME Holding Conglomerate
664
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Posted - 2014.02.12 16:09:00 -
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if u were to far back into the redline then u must have deserved it...
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4872
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:07:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:if u were to far back into the redline then u must have deserved it...
for sniping the player before in a previous match long ago..
Hard not to in some maps. Ashland comes to mind.
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G Torq
ALTA B2O
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:11:00 -
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Royalgiedro wrote:I was recently using my thale's-07 sniper during a FW match when a teammate decided to walk up behind me and shoot me in the back until I died.
Good!
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:18:00 -
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I will actually sit in the redline protecting a sniper from teammates if they are being messed with in the first place...its completely bullshit in all honestly. Play your own damn game and let the sniper has his buffer from the insane zoom on that rifle...there arent that many places where you can use a thale without being out that far to begin with. So yes, legitimate idea. Personally if I was able to, if a friendly killed my squadmate while they were back a bit sniping i would make them my ***** the rest of the match, but id be banned if i did...Though i have killed a few people that have done such things on principle...
Dedicated Stealth Scout.
Scout instructor; Learning Coalition
Scrambler Pistol dedication
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Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:35:00 -
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Using an Officer weapon in FW? Bad idea.
Some players clearly write everyday that they hunt down their own TAR snipers if there is one.
It's definitely the most hated weapon in game.
Mobius Kaethis wrote:Nope. You should not be reimbursed a single thing.
1) You brought that Thales into a battle which you knew had FF enabled.
2) You didn't pay anything for it so I have no idea how CCP would be able to give you anything back for it.
3) You just admitted you were redline sniping which means that not only were you being a useless KDR padder but you were also doing absolutely nothing to help your team.
I agree with you on #1 and #2, but you're totally wrong with #3: in some maps a well placed sniper can be a real nightmare for the enemy squad and be an even more useful asset than an all-around Logibro.
Dwelling on the past
Struggling for the future
~ A Burning Life ~
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
959
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:58:00 -
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This is exactly the type of activity that CCP promotes so don't expect any support from them or CCP/Shanghai.
EVE Online only gets press when there is an epic (although extremely server capacity limited) space battle happening in massive time dilation. Any other game would be getting bad PR from failing to deliver (or poorly delivering - EA) the gaming solution their own PR promised. But the battles and the totally fictitious real world cash amounts get reported often. PR without having to do anything beyond writing a Dev Blog about how they kept the servers up under the load - at 90% lag.
That is a good PR team.
Personally, I would not take any Officer Weapon into FW or any battle with FF enabled. Give me the player's market as I would prefer to sell them, announce the current owner and offer 50% of the income as a bounty. I believe that I am finally understanding the New Eden gaming mentality. 
And so it goes.
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Megaman Trigger
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.13 02:18:00 -
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It's not just Officer users or snipers that get shot in the back. There are blueberries out there who shoot anyone and everyone in the back, just because they can. More often then not, they're running MLT or BPO starter gear so they don't lose anything to retaliation.
Purifier. First Class.
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
526
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Posted - 2014.02.13 02:48:00 -
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Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress wrote:Using an Officer weapon in FW? Bad idea. Some players clearly write everyday that they hunt down their own TAR snipers if there is one. It's definitely the most hated weapon in game. Mobius Kaethis wrote:Nope. You should not be reimbursed a single thing.
1) You brought that Thales into a battle which you knew had FF enabled.
2) You didn't pay anything for it so I have no idea how CCP would be able to give you anything back for it.
3) You just admitted you were redline sniping which means that not only were you being a useless KDR padder but you were also doing absolutely nothing to help your team. I agree with you on #1 and #2, but you're totally wrong with #3: in some maps a well placed sniper can be a real nightmare for the enemy squad and be an even more useful asset than an all-around Logibro.
QFT. When defending a point on an open map, another assault/logi charging at me is nothing, but a Thale's showing up is an instant and massive threat. |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2957
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Posted - 2014.02.13 02:55:00 -
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no
"The human brain named itself... :o" -Draxus Prime
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1277
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Posted - 2014.02.14 02:12:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress wrote:Using an Officer weapon in FW? Bad idea. Some players clearly write everyday that they hunt down their own TAR snipers if there is one. It's definitely the most hated weapon in game. Mobius Kaethis wrote:Nope. You should not be reimbursed a single thing.
1) You brought that Thales into a battle which you knew had FF enabled.
2) You didn't pay anything for it so I have no idea how CCP would be able to give you anything back for it.
3) You just admitted you were redline sniping which means that not only were you being a useless KDR padder but you were also doing absolutely nothing to help your team. I agree with you on #1 and #2, but you're totally wrong with #3: in some maps a well placed sniper can be a real nightmare for the enemy squad and be an even more useful asset than an all-around Logibro. QFT. When defending a point on an open map, another assault/logi charging at me is nothing, but a Thale's showing up is an instant and massive threat.
Perhaps you need a lesson in how to hold a point then.
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Yeeeuuuupppp
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.14 02:45:00 -
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Everyone who commented on this thread are too focused on him sniping and what he was using and blah blah blah kdr padder (which he isn't) and completely ignored that he used his best gear to help give overwatch for his team mates and got killed by a douche who is like the rest of you QQing fucktards who is against sniping in the red line.
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
755
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Posted - 2014.02.14 02:47:00 -
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Don't fit what you can't afford to lose OP, I target any thales users, especially ones behind the redline. HTFU.
LogiGod earns his pips
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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2976
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Posted - 2014.02.14 02:55:00 -
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Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Everyone who commented on this thread are too focused on him sniping and what he was using and blah blah blah kdr padder (which he isn't) and completely ignored that he used his best gear to help give overwatch for his team mates and got killed by a douche who is like the rest of you QQing fucktards who is against sniping in the red line.
it's a risk he chose to take
if I'm helping my team and they kill me by mistake it's the exact same
It would be another Risk vs Reward situation
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killertojo42
Sardaukar Merc Guild
9
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Posted - 2014.02.14 02:58:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Everyone who commented on this thread are too focused on him sniping and what he was using and blah blah blah kdr padder (which he isn't) and completely ignored that he used his best gear to help give overwatch for his team mates and got killed by a douche who is like the rest of you QQing fucktards who is against sniping in the red line. it's a risk he chose to take if I'm helping my team and they kill me by mistake it's the exact same It would be another Risk vs Reward situation
I disagree, he sitting back camping and not helping his team, he probably got killed by someone pissed at his teammate camping and not helping especially if they were losing
When walking on the battlefield i stand alone
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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2977
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:17:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Everyone who commented on this thread are too focused on him sniping and what he was using and blah blah blah kdr padder (which he isn't) and completely ignored that he used his best gear to help give overwatch for his team mates and got killed by a douche who is like the rest of you QQing fucktards who is against sniping in the red line. it's a risk he chose to take if I'm helping my team and they kill me by mistake it's the exact same It would be another Risk vs Reward situation I disagree, he sitting back camping and not helping his team, he probably got killed by someone pissed at his teammate camping and not helping especially if they were losing
a well organized squad with a sniper can be quite effective
he probably was helping more than the guy who shot him
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killertojo42
Sardaukar Merc Guild
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:45:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Everyone who commented on this thread are too focused on him sniping and what he was using and blah blah blah kdr padder (which he isn't) and completely ignored that he used his best gear to help give overwatch for his team mates and got killed by a douche who is like the rest of you QQing fucktards who is against sniping in the red line. it's a risk he chose to take if I'm helping my team and they kill me by mistake it's the exact same It would be another Risk vs Reward situation I disagree, he sitting back camping and not helping his team, he probably got killed by someone pissed at his teammate camping and not helping especially if they were losing a well organized squad with a sniper can be quite effective he probably was helping more than the guy who shot him
Possible but likely that wasn't the case especially since he was using a thale
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4888
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Posted - 2014.02.14 05:51:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Everyone who commented on this thread are too focused on him sniping and what he was using and blah blah blah kdr padder (which he isn't) and completely ignored that he used his best gear to help give overwatch for his team mates and got killed by a douche who is like the rest of you QQing fucktards who is against sniping in the red line. it's a risk he chose to take if I'm helping my team and they kill me by mistake it's the exact same It would be another Risk vs Reward situation I disagree, he sitting back camping and not helping his team, he probably got killed by someone pissed at his teammate camping and not helping especially if they were losing a well organized squad with a sniper can be quite effective he probably was helping more than the guy who shot him Possible but likely that wasn't the case especially since he was using a thale
"Likely that wasn't the case"
"Especially since he was using a thales"
Soooo, what evidence do you have beyond just throwing that out there? Is there a case study out there that players who use the Thales are statistically less likely to benefit the team or be co-operating with an organized squad? Can we get some graphs showing the percentage of players that are KDR padding for their own sake with an officer weapon and a percentage of players who are actively engaging in what a sniper's role is?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
6820
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Posted - 2014.02.14 07:12:00 -
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Royalgiedro wrote:I was recently using my thale's-07 sniper during a FW match when a teammate decided to walk up behind me and shoot me in the back until I died. This is obviously purposeful since I turned around and he stared at me for a second before he switched to his SMG and finished me off. This all being in out redline. I believe that losing my thale and LP proto suit to this to be complete BS. I propose that there should be a item protection feature. In order to avoid having organized team killing to avoid losing officer weapons during combat I propose that if you are killed by a teammate and you had 90% health remaining when you started to be shot, with the enemy not shooting you in the progress, you should be reimbursed for your suit and have it not count as a death. This had happened several times and is extremely irritating. If you could help fix this issue that would be greatly appreciated.
Two words...
**** YOU!
You joined a FW match knowing the consequences but you went in with a Thale's anyways. You made your choice now face the consequences.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Shaira Ilv Enna-Ress
Maphia Clan Corporation
20
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Posted - 2014.02.14 10:03:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Perhaps you need a lesson in how to hold a point then.
I'd rather play CoD.
And BTW defending a point by dealing 914 HP of damage doesn't look so bad... 
Dwelling on the past
Struggling for the future
~ A Burning Life ~
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