When was the last time you saw a redline sniper win a game ? , how about hold an objective? , Ok then how about get more than 15 kills ?........... that's right they don't they are useless and should not be a factor in balancing the sniper rifle (which is beyond broken)

At first, I get angry, but just like Liam Neeson I then dedicate my whole match to finding and killing them, and of course, I finish off with a teabag before I am slapped to death at the hands of the invisible redline monsters.

Sometimes I even counter snipe in a rail tank.

Easy to fix, really, remove any hope of OHKs for snipers, and they'll either stop playing or they'll join the rest of us in-game.

I try not to dedicate my whole match to someone that cowardly.

You're damn right they don't contribute.

This is exactly why people hate them.


The reason SR can get f*cked until the redline sniper gets fixed?

Then they'll be killing people with little to no chance of repercussions.

It's an entirely skill-free play style, and buffing the SR while it's still usable is implicitly encouraging it.

So continue to QQ please, OP.

don't hate the player, hate the game...

y'alls problem is with the Redline, not my Snipers.



"Sniper:

A sniper is a highly trained marksman who operates alone, in a pair, or with a sniper team to maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engage targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the detection capabilities of enemy personnel."

read that last part over and over until it sinks in......

When was the last time you saw a redline sniper win a game ? , how about hold an objective? , Ok then how about get more than 15 kills ?........... that's right they don't they are useless and should not be a factor in balancing the sniper rifle (which is beyond broken)

Ummmm. No.

With the slow rate of fire for sniper rifles, those of us who don't redline snipe, i.e. the proper snipers, need the damage to contribute fully. I'm not saying that a sniper should be able to OHK a proto heavy with a strong tank. But Scouts should be comparatively easy to kill if we hit and we should have a chance of OHKing an assault or logi at least.

So, you can kill a scout. Who can't? And if you're asking for an easy way to kill Logis, who isn't? I just got shown an over 50 unanswered kill streak by another sniper. It's easy mode. You can eat a sandwich while sniping and be just as effective, even tanks can't say that.

What if the only tactical vantage point is the large hills near the red line?

I mean the Thales zoom is so strong, i have to be sooo far away to look through it correctly.

Nom nom nom head shots

Everyone I've spoken to agree making the red line a bullet barrier in or out is the way to go. That way players can regroup unmolested while they also can't deal out death while hiding behind the mechanic that was only meant to stop them from getting spawn camped.

It's simple this is New Eden, have the MCC's emit a barrier much like they do in the MCC drop off hangar where you cannot shoot in or out of it and make the barrier only let you pass out of it to prevent players from running in and out of their barrier.

The problem with a Sniper in the redline is not that they are OP, its that they can't participate in lower risk role without removing all form of risk completly.
You see them all the time with Heavy Suits or terrain glitching, they can see you, shoot you, but you can't return the favour.

You can't shotgun you can't snipe them, you can't even get them with a tank. All the while you 'risk' your suits against them while they sit there never even having to leave the scope.

Which is why I enjoying killing them, then headshotting them as they jump from the MCC.

In the politest terms I can manage, if everyone you've spoken to agrees with that, you need to stop talking to people with an IQ under 60. Because that would inherently break the entire game design overnight. For all classes.

When was the last time you saw a redline sniper win a game ? , how about hold an objective? , Ok then how about get more than 15 kills ?........... that's right they don't they are useless

I've never found a redliner I can't OHK with a Charge SR headshot, providing the hit detection decides it's a hit. But that's a problem with the hit detection as I've stood within 20-30m of someone, scoped up with their head as they've been hacking something, fully charged and shot and had it cause no damage.

There are blue redline snipers too, you know.

It's not. I only ever snipe from the redine when the whole team's been pushed back there and I always manage to find tactically usefull vantage points on a map.

Just sniper bullets then.

When the whole team is pushed back, it's even better to get in behind enemy lines and snipe

At first, I get angry, but just like Liam Neeson I then dedicate my whole match to finding and killing them, and of course, I finish off with a teabag before I am slapped to death at the hands of the invisible redline monsters.

Sometimes I even counter snipe in a rail tank.

Ummmm, No.

You're suggesting a shield that can tell the difference between a sniper bullet and a railgun bullet or an Assault rifle bullet. These just don't exist in New Eden. Partly because there's no difference between a railgun bullet and a Sniper bullet, at the moment at least, since all sniper rifles currently in game are railguns, just with an emphasis on range and damage rather than rate of fire. Plus I'd imagine the coding for that would be more complex than just disabling weapons inside the redline, which is essentially what the original idea of the shield is. But that would make it virtually impossible for a redlined team to break out.

There is no easy solution to redline snipers, not that a solution is needed most of the time as redline snipers make at best a minimal impact on the matches

don't hate the player, hate the game...

y'alls problem is with the Redline, not my Snipers.



"Sniper:

A sniper is a highly trained marksman who operates alone, in a pair, or with a sniper team to maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engage targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the detection capabilities of enemy personnel."

read that last part over and over until it sinks in......

When was the last time you saw a redline sniper ...

sniper rifle (which is beyond broken)

Typical low brain function cloned Dust Mercs is why. Most cannot comprehend that the red line sniper is not in their own red line and, in point of fact, cannot see the very red line they are moaning about. All those QQ over something that cannot be seen. Truly pathetic is the scope of its idiocy.

My use of snipers is expanded by the red line, depending on the map of course. Better over watch*, reduction of enemy shields and armor so the squad can trash them quicker, alerts of encroaching reds and the occasional OHK just to make sure their is some QQ that will hit CCP whiner central (aka these forums).

They continual advocate for the elimination of the red line because few played long enough to know that the Beta had nearly those conditions. The normal result of forcing the reds to their spawn points was that they were shot in the MCC, or getting splash damage from rail gun tanks sitting nearly under it, tried to deploy through a barrage of rounds and often died on the way down, CRUs at the ground spawn were routinely destroyed and that left the team with nowhere to spawn but the well and truly camped MCC. Bad design, bad games, bad experiences that many of these QQ Kittens missed. I wish they could experience it today, cause I would love to have teams of whiners hammered by a good squad and crush them as they tried to deploy.

It is no secret that I have little respect for CCP or CCP/Shanghai. However the red line is a good engineering solution to the problem of defining the edge of the battle field. It could be implemented with a simple text file thus changes could be done nearly every server shutdown with the resulting stats telling them if the changes produced the results they were after. Weekly modifications would give more data and may well have been done. Letting us know what is happening with stats is against the short history of Dust514 although if one was to read about EVE and CCP they would be left wondering why, as am I.



* over watch, what a concept. A sniper with a mic letting the squad know that the HAV dropped is shield tank with particle accelerator and that the driver tragically died before the deployment finished. A scout if moving on the objective or a squad has deployed from a surprise uplink. Over watch is more effective than all the OHKs in any match I have played.

if the sniper rifle was broken i would still have 326.26 damage base per shot on my ishukone sniper rifle compared to my current 226.26 i have atm.

the sniper is broken becuse it takes me 5 shot to chest drop a heavy or even 3 headshots to kill the heavy.
or 3 shots to drop a logi suit or 2 head shots.

takeing an entire 5 shot clip to kill a heavy is not broken it is underpowered as this is too many shots form a very slow firing wepaon to kill a slow moving taregt.

if it took 3 or 4 i would be fine with that many.

but when i need 3 shots to kill a medium frame that is slightly too many.

unless its a bricked tanked logi or stacking bricks. it will take more then 1 headshot.

and the sniper is commonly foun din his redline since it is literally the only viable place where we can use our sniper rifles greater range to our advantage as the maps are too small and would make it too easy to find a sniper camping somwhere.

currently snipers only have redline and very tall builings/towers to snipe from.

@Tyjus Vacca

When was the last time you saw a redline sniper win a game ? = NEVER
how about hold an objective? NEVER

CONCLUSION, worthless and only creates annoyance while not apporting anything to their team.
REDLINE FIX NEEDED.

, Ok then how about get more than 15 kills ?. = The last time was 2 days ago, 22-0 with a THales.

I keep getting hits from charged snipers of around 950HP which is enough to down nearly every fit I use it one shot. Not head shots either as I bled out after. That's too much power to be sitting behind the redline with no means of counter attack.

Battlegrounds are too large for the player count, resulting in long stretches where enemies are nowhere to be found. They're wastelands of muddy industrial sameness, with no attention to scale or flow. Paths dead-end nonsensically. Ladders and hallways lead to empty rooms devoid of relation to objectives or tactics. Weapon types are tremendously imbalanced. Audio effects sound cheap and have little relevance to the direction or proximity of their source. Dips in the frame rate result in distant enemies frequently looking like they're moving in stop-motion. The list goes on, but the problems run deeper.

Alot of it was hit on the head in the recent review of DUST 514.



The red-line often yields the best spt's on the map for snipers without having dropship proficiency and exploring towers and spots.

There is no true multi-level playability.. Half the maps with good high vantage points are only reachable by dropship, there are no ladders.. elevators..

Map's just aren't designed with DUST in mind to be played on them. Half the maps has a clear advantage starting off on one side versus the other, next to no separation of infantry and vehicle combat. Turrets placed often in irrelevant places roads that lead no where...


They even added a Volcano which adds cinders and smoke to everyone's screen.... While a cool feature it's more FOR A GAME THAT DOESN'T HAVE MASSIVE FRAMERATE ISSUES.

They could of started with a tree... FFS... a giant mushroom... How about something freaking Alien? have some creative fun instead of rocks and grass....

Map's are one of the biggest factors in causing massive Balance issues... NPE experience issues, Role functionality, Vehicle spam....You can attribute almost everyone problem dust has partially to the very very poor map designs that make hard to even play DUST on.

In the politest terms I can manage, if everyone you've spoken to agrees with that, you need to stop talking to people with an IQ under 60. Because that would inherently break the entire game design overnight. For all classes.

I think the topic went a bit over your head, the fact that the team doesn't know where the redline is at is irrelevant as long as they can shoot people from within them. That is the problem with redline railgunners of all kinds.

don't hate the player, hate the game...

y'alls problem is with the Redline, not my Snipers.



"Sniper:

A sniper is a highly trained marksman who operates alone, in a pair, or with a sniper team to maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engage targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the detection capabilities of enemy personnel."

read that last part over and over until it sinks in......

snipers from the redline can take the backburner right now.

Anyone still sniping from the redline when they could use a 100% OHK Railgun HAV might be borderline stupid...


But speaking from experience, don't fault the sniper's illusion of grandiose meaning... they don't realize how annoying, useless, and worthless they are.

Redline snipers with cloaks will probably become a bit of a problem

snipers from the redline can take the backburner right now.

Anyone still sniping from the redline when they could use a 100% OHK Railgun HAV might be borderline stupid...


But speaking from experience, don't fault the sniper's illusion of grandiose meaning... they don't realize how annoying, useless, and worthless they are.