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bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 70	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:44:00 - [1] - Quote Without changing anything related to restocking dropsuits (or vehicles) that have already been deployed (but not yet killed), increase the time required to change dropsuits mid-match to be no less than the time it takes to re-spawn at the slowest drop uplink. In other words, a time penalty but no ISK penalty for the privilege of playing multiple roles within the same match. This would significantly reduce equipment spam from people who deploy one suit, drop all their equipment, swap suits, deploy more equipment, etc, etc, etc without any penalty or cost.
Twelve Guage Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 64	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:02:00 - [2] - Quote You know what I've got nothing to add to this. This ideal right here is completely f****** perfect. Death Firm recruiter and sandwiches maker.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 471	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:15:00 - [3] - Quote This punishes people who need to swap to AV in order to help their team deal with Tanks though. What about: "if you are in a Suit that doesn't have that particular equipment equipped, the equipment you placed disappears in 20 seconds." That still gives you time to die and come back as a the same Logistics or to spawn at your Uplink in a different suit completely (IE, opening with as a Scout with an Uplink, rushing to a point, dropping Uplink, dying, coming back as a Heavy should still be a viable tactic) but it means you can't drop 3 uplinks, swap, drop 3 nanohives, swap, come in as a Heavy.
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 75	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:29:00 - [4] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: This punishes people who need to swap to AV in order to help their team deal with Tanks though. What about: "if you are in a Suit that doesn't have that particular equipment equipped, the equipment you placed disappears in 20 seconds." That still gives you time to die and come back as a the same Logistics or to spawn at your Uplink in a different suit completely (IE, opening with as a Scout with an Uplink, rushing to a point, dropping Uplink, dying, coming back as a Heavy should still be a viable tactic) but it means you can't drop 3 uplinks, swap, drop 3 nanohives, swap, come in as a Heavy. This isn't much of a penalty, waiting an extra few seconds to swap suits - it's really more of a mild disincentive. (A slap on the wrist rather than a kick in the teeth.) If it wasn't clear, this is only targeted at people that are already in play and are looking to "game the system". I am NOT proposing any changes to the current ability to change suits after actually dying and before your next respawn.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 75	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:53:00 - [5] - Quote If you swap suits, the deployed equipment should be taken from your assets. So that if you spam equipment, you have to pay in isk for all the nice warpoints you get. It can't be, that you switch to a proto suit, spam all available equipment on it, and change back to militia without any cost. Equipment on the field, should always be taken out of the asset pool. Cheers Mad
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 90	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:13:00 - [6] - Quote Shameless bump.
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 122	Posted - 2014.02.22 08:02:00 - [7] - Quote Bump
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:40:00 - [8] - Quote Still want. Bump. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2014.04.01 22:13:00 - [9] - Quote There is already a penalty if you switch to a other racial drop suite as a logi you lose the bonus.And if you are not a logi you equipment sucks already. Equipment placing is one of the main ways for new players to earn WP don't inter fear with that if you want to see more players. So shame on you if you have skilled protofitting and continue to Espam let the new guys do it.
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 149	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:10:00 - [10] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: There is already a penalty if you switch to a other racial drop suite as a logi you lose the bonus. Do you have confirmation of this? Links or it didn't happen. :-) Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.

bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 186	Posted - 2014.05.17 22:23:00 - [11] - Quote Bump. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
Vitoka79 from SVK ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 81	Posted - 2014.05.18 05:55:00 - [12] - Quote The amount of equipment one player can drop should be limited.Lets say 3 Uplinks,3 Nanohives and 5-6 Proxi or REs. I don't need a pilot suit.I made my own without skill bonuses :( Crashing dropships since september 2012...
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3331	Posted - 2014.05.18 11:56:00 - [13] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: There is already a penalty if you switch to a other racial drop suite as a logi you lose the bonus. Do you have confirmation of this? Links or it didn't happen. :-) Yes this is how the bonus works. I deleted my uplink guide so I can't link anything. You need to be currently in an Amarr or Caldari logi suit to get the bonus. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2014.05.18 12:08:00 - [14] - Quote No, no, no. This is why having two different Logi suits doesn't work when you switch (not sure what happens if your clone bleeds out though.) Be happy that the equipment spam isn't all 5 second uplinks and triage hives that repair 100 armor per pulse because you can't have more than one bonus apply at the same time. GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2014.05.18 12:09:00 - [15] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: If you swap suits, the deployed equipment should be taken from your assets. So that if you spam equipment, you have to pay in isk for all the nice warpoints you get. It can't be, that you switch to a proto suit, spam all available equipment on it, and change back to militia without any cost. Equipment on the field, should always be taken out of the asset pool. Cheers Mad THIS. This is the answer to this thread. GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2014.05.18 15:13:00 - [16] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: bogeyman m wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: There is already a penalty if you switch to a other racial drop suite as a logi you lose the bonus. Do you have confirmation of this? Links or it didn't happen. :-) Yes this is how the bonus works. I deleted my uplink guide so I can't link anything. You need to be currently in an Amarr or Caldari logi suit to get the bonus. That was a great guide. Very informative. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2014.05.18 15:19:00 - [17] - Quote Vitoka79 from SVK wrote: The amount of equipment one player can drop should be limited.Lets say 3 Uplinks,3 Nanohives and 5-6 Proxi or REs. I'd rather a limit be on how many devices are active at one time - people could drop as many as they could carry. That way, if they pushed to a new location, they could drop more equipment and the older stuff would cease to exist. This would promote a more active use of the equipment over spamming the field with drop and forget gear. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2014.05.18 15:27:00 - [18] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: If you swap suits, the deployed equipment should be taken from your assets. So that if you spam equipment, you have to pay in isk for all the nice warpoints you get. It can't be, that you switch to a proto suit, spam all available equipment on it, and change back to militia without any cost. Equipment on the field, should always be taken out of the asset pool. Cheers Mad THIS. This is the answer to this thread. Recently, while defending a point, I saw a guy in a logo suit drop 6 or 7 nanohives, then switch into a heavy suit with an HMG... I moved on. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 447	Posted - 2014.05.18 21:39:00 - [19] - Quote ** you. I already have enough trouble changing my *** AV suit into something that doesn't get me killed after dealing with a vehicle. It's also *** tedious to find a supply depot to actually get my AV stuff in the first place when a tank rolls up. Especially when a dipshit decides to nuke all openly accessible depots with their railguns. I don't need another *** penalty. Also, I want my ***** compact hive to restock at the supply depot. However, granting an additional hard limit per equipment type would solve all issues. Aren't REs already limited by skill instead of meta level? IIRC you can plant more at once if you are skilled more highly. That system should apply to drop uplinks and nanohives. One item per level, to a maximum of five in total. It's not like you have access to a drop uplink that allows more than one instance to be active at a time at level 1, anyway.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3335	Posted - 2014.05.18 21:50:00 - [20] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: bogeyman m wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: There is already a penalty if you switch to a other racial drop suite as a logi you lose the bonus. Do you have confirmation of this? Links or it didn't happen. :-) Yes this is how the bonus works. I deleted my uplink guide so I can't link anything. You need to be currently in an Amarr or Caldari logi suit to get the bonus. So, it's not so much a 'penalty' as it is a removal of the bonus. Anyway, that was a great guide. Very informative. 1) Correct. 2) Thank you, and you are welcome. I do feel bad for the players that I deleted it, but maybe they'll come back if Rattati actually does something with this game. I do have a offer on the table to him that I'll put back my guides in exchange for a bunch of officer laser rifles. We'll see if he goes for it. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski

Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 521	Posted - 2014.05.18 23:16:00 - [21] - Quote I perform every variety of equipment spam - when necessary. Why in the world would you oppose equipment spam? There are occasions when good equipment can save the match. Example 1. Proxy mines. To kill a tank I have to put out all 3 levels of mines. I'm not going to run around with a bunch of proxy mines after I have the trap set, because they will disappear if I drop more. Example 2. Triage Nanohives. They are a waste of an equipment slot compared to the repair ammounts possible with the rep tool. My Cal logi is the most effective with ammo-only nanohives. With everyone swapping suits to repair up, why not collect some WP? And, if they can get back to the fight more quickly, bonus! With the new lower hitpoints on hives, front line use is a waste (too easy to pop them from use and AOE damage). Example 3. Uplinks. Bad uplinks can be as much of a disaster as smart-spawn. It's not an elegant system, but it has to be done. You guys want to just zerg rush the front lines - and then get mad when you run out of ammo-then die-then rage out when there are no good spawns? There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 199	Posted - 2014.05.18 23:19:00 - [22] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: ** you. I already have enough trouble changing my *** AV suit into something that doesn't get me killed after dealing with a vehicle. It's also *** tedious to find a supply depot to actually get my AV stuff in the first place when a tank rolls up. Especially when a dipshit decides to nuke all openly accessible depots with their railguns. I don't need another *** penalty. Also, I want my ***** compact hive to restock at the supply depot. However, granting an additional hard limit per equipment type would solve all issues. Aren't REs already limited by skill instead of meta level? IIRC you can plant more at once if you are skilled more highly. That system should apply to drop uplinks and nanohives. One item per level, to a maximum of five in total. It's not like you have access to a drop uplink that allows more than one instance to be active at a time at level 1, anyway. I used to have similar issues dying A LOT in my AV rig. That gets expensive once you start using proto weapons - which is currently the only option with Swarm Launcher limitations. I have found a couple of Militia suits that fit my playstyle and allow me some additional self-defense options. I now die a bit less, but my overall cost of running a SL has gone down considerably. Yes, not having access to a Supply Depot is a pain in the a$$. Again, having an added time delay in changing suits is not actually a 'penalty' - it would simply minimize the temptation for people to exploit it. If there ends up being some sort of 'deployed' equipment cap, I agree that everything should be restockable at a Supply Depot. (This would also remove the need for people to swap into a fresh version of the same suit just to refill equipment.) Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 199	Posted - 2014.05.18 23:24:00 - [23] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: bogeyman m wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: bogeyman m wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: There is already a penalty if you switch to a other racial drop suite as a logi you lose the bonus. Do you have confirmation of this? Links or it didn't happen. :-) Yes this is how the bonus works. I deleted my uplink guide so I can't link anything. You need to be currently in an Amarr or Caldari logi suit to get the bonus. So, it's not so much a 'penalty' as it is a removal of the bonus. Anyway, that was a great guide. Very informative. 1) Correct. 2) Thank you, and you are welcome. I do feel bad for the players that I deleted it, but maybe they'll come back if Rattati actually does something with this game. I do have a offer on the table to him that I'll put back my guides in exchange for a bunch of officer laser rifles. We'll see if he goes for it. I've got 40+ 'named' LRs you can have, if we could figure out how to get them to you. In return, you'd need to give me something shiny... Or made of chocolate. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 199	Posted - 2014.05.19 00:00:00 - [24] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: I perform every variety of equipment spam - when necessary. Why in the world would you oppose equipment spam? There are occasions when good equipment can save the match. Example 1. Proxy mines. To kill a tank I have to put out all 3 levels of mines. I'm not going to run around with a bunch of proxy mines after I have the trap set, because they will disappear if I drop more. Example 2. Triage Nanohives. They are a waste of an equipment slot compared to the repair ammounts possible with the rep tool. My Cal logi is the most effective with ammo-only nanohives. With everyone swapping suits to repair up, why not collect some WP? And, if they can get back to the fight more quickly, bonus! With the new lower hitpoints on hives, front line use is a waste (too easy to pop them from use and AOE damage). Example 3. Uplinks. Bad uplinks can be as much of a disaster as smart-spawn. It's not an elegant system, but it has to be done. You guys want to just zerg rush the front lines - and then get mad when you run out of ammo-then die-then rage out when there are no good spawns? I'm not so much against equipment spam as I am against the effect on game performance when multiple people do it at the same time. That's the biggest issue for me. I've been in many matches where the game becomes unplayable. If Supply Depots would refill all equipment and one could carry more (but deploy less at one time), I think the game performance would be much improved. I appreciate, and agree with, your point regarding the strategic use of equipment to influence a match. Theoretically, if there was a Supply Depot near by and not including proto or LP gear, I could deploy 6 proxies, 6 REs, 5 uplinks and 9 nanohives all at the same time - then run off to hunt tanks with a Swarm Launcher. (I haven't actually tried this yet, but I just made myself curious.) However, I would actually prefer if all equipment had some sort of inherent accountability - I'm not a big fan of the drop and forget gear. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 1221	Posted - 2014.05.19 00:02:00 - [25] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: bogeyman m wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: bogeyman m wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: There is already a penalty if you switch to a other racial drop suite as a logi you lose the bonus. Do you have confirmation of this? Links or it didn't happen. :-) Yes this is how the bonus works. I deleted my uplink guide so I can't link anything. You need to be currently in an Amarr or Caldari logi suit to get the bonus. So, it's not so much a 'penalty' as it is a removal of the bonus. Anyway, that was a great guide. Very informative. 1) Correct. 2) Thank you, and you are welcome. I do feel bad for the players that I deleted it, but maybe they'll come back if Rattati actually does something with this game. I do have a offer on the table to him that I'll put back my guides in exchange for a bunch of officer laser rifles. We'll see if he goes for it. We know equipment spam is a problem, and it is not good to punish the right kind of behaviour (jumping to a CRU and get out AV when necessary) over lame spam tactics. On the guides John, you do whateever you want to do and we will do our best. I like officer items, but we're focusing on balance first. I am hoping to get a 'Rattati's PLC in of course. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 240	Posted - 2014.05.19 00:40:00 - [26] - Quote Notice how all you see are uplinks and no nanohives in the game! Change to the suit bonus did that. Everyone runs amarr logi for uplinks.I can't remember seeing a Caldri logi except when I bring in Nanohives. I don't see the spam like in the past. Maybe the spaming vets left.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 240	Posted - 2014.05.19 00:45:00 - [27] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: Luk Manag wrote: I perform every variety of equipment spam - when necessary. Why in the world would you oppose equipment spam? There are occasions when good equipment can save the match. Example 1. Proxy mines. To kill a tank I have to put out all 3 levels of mines. I'm not going to run around with a bunch of proxy mines after I have the trap set, because they will disappear if I drop more. Example 2. Triage Nanohives. They are a waste of an equipment slot compared to the repair ammounts possible with the rep tool. My Cal logi is the most effective with ammo-only nanohives. With everyone swapping suits to repair up, why not collect some WP? And, if they can get back to the fight more quickly, bonus! With the new lower hitpoints on hives, front line use is a waste (too easy to pop them from use and AOE damage). Example 3. Uplinks. Bad uplinks can be as much of a disaster as smart-spawn. It's not an elegant system, but it has to be done. You guys want to just zerg rush the front lines - and then get mad when you run out of ammo-then die-then rage out when there are no good spawns? I'm not so much against equipment spam as I am against the effect on game performance when multiple people do it at the same time. That's the biggest issue for me. I've been in many matches where the game becomes unplayable. If Supply Depots would refill all equipment and one could carry more (but deploy less at one time), I think the game performance would be much improved. I appreciate, and agree with, your point regarding the strategic use of equipment to influence a match. Theoretically, if there was a Supply Depot near by and not including proto or LP gear, I could deploy 6 proxies, 6 REs, 5 uplinks and 9 nanohives all at the same time - then run off to hunt tanks with a Swarm Launcher. (I haven't actually tried this yet, but I just made myself curious.) However, I would actually prefer if all equipment had some sort of inherent accountability - I'm not as big a fan of drop and forget gear. If drop and forget can get hacked its a game changer.Keep it the way it is an let us hack equipment
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3337	Posted - 2014.05.19 01:31:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: bogeyman m wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Yes this is how the bonus works. I deleted my uplink guide so I can't link anything. You need to be currently in an Amarr or Caldari logi suit to get the bonus. So, it's not so much a 'penalty' as it is a removal of the bonus. Anyway, that was a great guide. Very informative. 1) Correct. 2) Thank you, and you are welcome. I do feel bad for the players that I deleted it, but maybe they'll come back if Rattati actually does something with this game. I do have a offer on the table to him that I'll put back my guides in exchange for a bunch of officer laser rifles. We'll see if he goes for it. We know equipment spam is a problem, and it is not good to punish the right kind of behaviour (jumping to a CRU and get out AV when necessary) over lame spam tactics. On the guides John, you do whateever you want to do and we will do our best. I like officer items, but we're focusing on balance first. I am hoping to get a 'Rattati's PLC in of course. No dice! Especially with this unfortunate trend I see coming towards Gallente master race... disturbing... Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 522	Posted - 2014.05.19 01:56:00 - [29] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: Notice how all you see are uplinks and no nanohives in the game! Change to the suit bonus did that. Everyone runs amarr logi for uplinks.I can't remember seeing a Caldri logi except when I bring in Nanohives. I don't see the spam like in the past. Maybe the spaming vets left. I have 2 Caldari Logistics fits that I use in combat (as opposed to logistical operations). One fit uses Core Locus grenades, and the other uses Packed Lai Dai AV grenades. I wouldn't call triage stations lame or spammy.... but they might be more effective in front line use if they had more HP and I could cary more. If I could carry 6, with 2 active at any one time, it might be worth using them, because they run out too quick, and I spend the rest of the battle searching for a depot or playing as an equipmentless slayer logi. [IDEA] Let us resupply our deployables by salvaging enemies or their equipment. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 200	Posted - 2014.05.19 02:01:00 - [30] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: bogeyman m wrote: Luk Manag wrote: I perform every variety of equipment spam - when necessary. Why in the world would you oppose equipment spam? There are occasions when good equipment can save the match. Example 1. Proxy mines. To kill a tank I have to put out all 3 levels of mines. I'm not going to run around with a bunch of proxy mines after I have the trap set, because they will disappear if I drop more. Example 2. Triage Nanohives. They are a waste of an equipment slot compared to the repair ammounts possible with the rep tool. My Cal logi is the most effective with ammo-only nanohives. With everyone swapping suits to repair up, why not collect some WP? And, if they can get back to the fight more quickly, bonus! With the new lower hitpoints on hives, front line use is a waste (too easy to pop them from use and AOE damage). Example 3. Uplinks. Bad uplinks can be as much of a disaster as smart-spawn. It's not an elegant system, but it has to be done. You guys want to just zerg rush the front lines - and then get mad when you run out of ammo-then die-then rage out when there are no good spawns? I'm not so much against equipment spam as I am against the effect on game performance when multiple people do it at the same time. That's the biggest issue for me. I've been in many matches where the game becomes unplayable. If Supply Depots would refill all equipment and one could carry more (but deploy less at one time), I think the game performance would be much improved. I appreciate, and agree with, your point regarding the strategic use of equipment to influence a match. Theoretically, if there was a Supply Depot near by and not including proto or LP gear, I could deploy 6 proxies, 6 REs, 5 uplinks and 9 nanohives all at the same time - then run off to hunt tanks with a Swarm Launcher. (I haven't actually tried this yet, but I just made myself curious.) However, I would actually prefer if all equipment had some sort of inherent accountability - I'm not as big a fan of drop and forget gear. If drop and forget can get hacked its a game changer.Keep it the way it is an let us hack equipment This is an interesting idea. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.

Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2437	Posted - 2014.05.19 02:11:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: On the guides John, you do whateever you want to do and we will do our best. I like officer items, but we're focusing on balance first. I am hoping to get a 'Rattati's PLC in of course. Is this just going to be an Aurum standard Plasma Cannon?, You need to aim higher, for something like Rattati's CER-5 Plasma Cannon Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 206	Posted - 2014.05.21 05:23:00 - [32] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: Notice how all you see are uplinks and no nanohives in the game! Change to the suit bonus did that. Everyone runs amarr logi for uplinks.I can't remember seeing a Caldri logi except when I bring in Nanohives. I don't see the spam like in the past. Maybe the spaming vets left. I have 2 Caldari Logistics fits that I use in combat (as opposed to logistical operations). One fit uses Core Locus grenades, and the other uses Packed Lai Dai AV grenades. I wouldn't call triage stations lame or spammy.... but they might be more effective in front line use if they had more HP and I could cary more. If I could carry 6, with 2 active at any one time, it might be worth using them, because they run out too quick, and I spend the rest of the battle searching for a depot or playing as an equipmentless slayer logi. [IDEA] Let us resupply our deployables by salvaging enemies or their equipment. Idea mashup: - make adv & pro deployables carry 4 with 2 active at any time (std & mlt carry 2 with 1 active) - make all deployables restockable at supply depots - make all deployables hackable - make all deployables salvagable (Minmatar only?) Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 304	Posted - 2014.05.21 06:42:00 - [33] - Quote why not change equipment so that it doesnt need to be deployed at all? nanohives would simply work by having one on your suit. anyone standing near you gets ammo. uplinks work by spawning near the guy carrying it. BOOM! no more spam it would also shake things up within the game for reason that should be obvious to everyone. Logis suddenly become mobile supply depots and CRUs... if they choose to be lol
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3379	Posted - 2014.05.21 14:43:00 - [34] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: why not change equipment so that it doesnt need to be deployed at all? nanohives would simply work by having one on your suit. anyone standing near you gets ammo. uplinks work by spawning near the guy carrying it. BOOM! no more spam it would also shake things up within the game for reason that should be obvious to everyone. Logis suddenly become mobile supply depots and CRUs... if they choose to be lol That was suggested a few months ago already. Terrible idea. I have a big enough bright yellow bullseye on me as it is. If I became a mobile CRU I would never stop dying! Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2104	Posted - 2014.05.21 17:09:00 - [35] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: If you swap suits, the deployed equipment should be taken from your assets. So that if you spam equipment, you have to pay in isk for all the nice warpoints you get. It can't be, that you switch to a proto suit, spam all available equipment on it, and change back to militia without any cost. Equipment on the field, should always be taken out of the asset pool. Cheers Mad If that's the case however (and I see support for the idea logically) it must apply universally not just to deployed objects or it nerfs equipment only, and only certain types, becoming a 'stealth' role nerf due to objections over a specific type of meta play. If we're going through route the simple version would be to revert to the days when suit swap expended the fitting you are currently in - because that's in essence what this is suggesting just applied universally rather than narrowly. A better method, IMO, is simply to apply a cool down to depot swaps just as there is with vehicle recall/deployment. Yes it will still be used but the use will be mitigated and the game wide application equal. 0.02 ISK Cross Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2104	Posted - 2014.05.21 17:15:00 - [36] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: bogeyman m wrote: Luk Manag wrote: I perform every variety of equipment spam - when necessary. Why in the world would you oppose equipment spam? There are occasions when good equipment can save the match. Example 1. Proxy mines. To kill a tank I have to put out all 3 levels of mines. I'm not going to run around with a bunch of proxy mines after I have the trap set, because they will disappear if I drop more. Example 2. Triage Nanohives. They are a waste of an equipment slot compared to the repair ammounts possible with the rep tool. My Cal logi is the most effective with ammo-only nanohives. With everyone swapping suits to repair up, why not collect some WP? And, if they can get back to the fight more quickly, bonus! With the new lower hitpoints on hives, front line use is a waste (too easy to pop them from use and AOE damage). Example 3. Uplinks. Bad uplinks can be as much of a disaster as smart-spawn. It's not an elegant system, but it has to be done. You guys want to just zerg rush the front lines - and then get mad when you run out of ammo-then die-then rage out when there are no good spawns? I'm not so much against equipment spam as I am against the effect on game performance when multiple people do it at the same time. That's the biggest issue for me. I've been in many matches where the game becomes unplayable. If Supply Depots would refill all equipment and one could carry more (but deploy less at one time), I think the game performance would be much improved. I appreciate, and agree with, your point regarding the strategic use of equipment to influence a match. Theoretically, if there was a Supply Depot near by and not including proto or LP gear, I could deploy 6 proxies, 6 REs, 5 uplinks and 9 nanohives all at the same time - then run off to hunt tanks with a Swarm Launcher. (I haven't actually tried this yet, but I just made myself curious.) However, I would actually prefer if all equipment had some sort of inherent accountability - I'm not as big a fan of drop and forget gear. If drop and forget can get hacked its a game changer.Keep it the way it is an let us hack equipment I've supported this idea for a long time and I still do. It would require tactical play without production of a mechanical bottleneck. Further this would add an extra use for active scans as mine fields of Prox or RE could be hacked (they are deployed equipment after all). My suggestion for this was to require Infantry Hacking skills, or a fitted Codebreaker of equal or greater meta level for hacking the deployed equipment. This is value added to some lessor used skills/mod configurations, a more compelling reason to run an active scanner even with scout spam in the meta, and creates rather than reduces tactical choices in both fitting selection (Min Scout asset hacker anyone?) and equipment deployment (better make sure that uplnks secure or you're feeding the hostile team). 0.02 ISK Cross Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 209	Posted - 2014.05.21 17:32:00 - [37] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: why not change equipment so that it doesnt need to be deployed at all? nanohives would simply work by having one on your suit. anyone standing near you gets ammo. uplinks work by spawning near the guy carrying it. BOOM! no more spam it would also shake things up within the game for reason that should be obvious to everyone. Logis suddenly become mobile supply depots and CRUs... if they choose to be lol That was suggested a few months ago already. Terrible idea. I have a big enough bright yellow bullseye on me as it is. If I became a mobile CRU I would never stop dying! Anything that makes an Amarrian bullseye bigger, the better. :-) Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3399	Posted - 2014.05.21 20:59:00 - [38] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: why not change equipment so that it doesnt need to be deployed at all? nanohives would simply work by having one on your suit. anyone standing near you gets ammo. uplinks work by spawning near the guy carrying it. BOOM! no more spam it would also shake things up within the game for reason that should be obvious to everyone. Logis suddenly become mobile supply depots and CRUs... if they choose to be lol That was suggested a few months ago already. Terrible idea. I have a big enough bright yellow bullseye on me as it is. If I became a mobile CRU I would never stop dying! Anything that makes an Amarrian bullseye bigger, the better. :-) You will see the light, one day. For your sake hopefully it is the light of God, not the light of my LR as the duct tape boils away and your dropsuit melts into slag. As for your earlier post about your opinion being in large part based on game performance, a lot of the lag due to equipment was (shockingly) fixed around 1.6-1.7 as I recall. I'll give you the same argument I gave then: We shouldn't be balancing things, especially ones that are fundamental to certain playstyles (yes, mine in this case) based on bugs or sloppy coding that causes performance issues. The goal should be to fix the underlying problem, not the symptom it causes. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 1352	Posted - 2014.05.22 00:17:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I like officer items, but we're focusing on balance first. I am hoping to get a 'Rattati's PLC in of course. This This This And This... I want it, do it now. DOn't ask for permission, do a stealth patch in the middle of the night and add it.... My PLC skills are waiting for the time the PLC is fixed PLC profi 5 Rapid reload 4 ammo 3 fitting opt 3 I want this, I need this; Now you got my hopes up. Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 211	Posted - 2014.05.22 02:50:00 - [40] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: bogeyman m wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: why not change equipment so that it doesnt need to be deployed at all? nanohives would simply work by having one on your suit. anyone standing near you gets ammo. uplinks work by spawning near the guy carrying it. BOOM! no more spam it would also shake things up within the game for reason that should be obvious to everyone. Logis suddenly become mobile supply depots and CRUs... if they choose to be lol That was suggested a few months ago already. Terrible idea. I have a big enough bright yellow bullseye on me as it is. If I became a mobile CRU I would never stop dying! Anything that makes an Amarrian bullseye bigger, the better. :-) You will see the light, one day. For your sake hopefully it is the light of God, not the light of my LR as the duct tape boils away and your dropsuit melts into slag. As for your earlier post about your opinion being in large part based on game performance, a lot of the lag due to equipment was (shockingly) fixed around 1.6-1.7 as I recall. I'll give you the same argument I gave then: We shouldn't be balancing things, especially ones that are fundamental to certain playstyles (yes, mine in this case) based on bugs or sloppy coding that causes performance issues. The goal should be to fix the underlying problem, not the symptom it causes. I will ignore the initial, misguided tone of your reply. (But I might duct tape a 'reclaimed' Caldari scout exoskeleton over top of my Matari dropsuit anyway.) I have recently witnessed noticeable performance degradation when significant equipment has been deployed within a relatively small area. So there still seems to be room for improvement post 1.8 And as much as it pains me to agree with someone of your heritage, fixing the problem is infinitely more important than fixing the symptoms. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.

SCATTORSHOT RINNEGATE duna corp 45	Posted - 2014.05.22 06:14:00 - [41] - Quote Whats the problem? i love drop nanites for my mates, don't be kids drop a flux and problem solved, Don't ruin my nanite depot is awsome to look If you read this you probably going to die by my tank. Dust is not dead, stop biomassing like scrubs.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 361	Posted - 2014.05.22 06:32:00 - [42] - Quote i just think they need to remove the momentary invulnerability from switching suits. Nothing more aggervating than shooting the ** out of someone, and not seeing the damage being applied, then them just so casually turning around, and face fkn you Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.**
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 308	Posted - 2014.05.22 09:34:00 - [43] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: why not change equipment so that it doesnt need to be deployed at all? nanohives would simply work by having one on your suit. anyone standing near you gets ammo. uplinks work by spawning near the guy carrying it. BOOM! no more spam it would also shake things up within the game for reason that should be obvious to everyone. Logis suddenly become mobile supply depots and CRUs... if they choose to be lol That was suggested a few months ago already. Terrible idea. I have a big enough bright yellow bullseye on me as it is. If I became a mobile CRU I would never stop dying! you dont have to fit uplinks though, just like most people dont fit them now. the difference is that if the spawn is another player then you cant camp him like you can now with uplinks. you cant get stuck anymore from uplinks being placed inside crates on on roof tops with small rails that heavy suits cant jump over. no more bad spawns. or now you get really great spawns! like a scout with a cloak sneaking in behind the enemy and having a squad of heavies spawn on him lol
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 631	Posted - 2014.05.22 17:34:00 - [44] - Quote this thread is a waste of space


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