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Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 32	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:45:00 - [1] - Quote Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
Onesimus Tarsus 1130	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:46:00 - [2] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best pay h ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. CCP giveth, CCP taketh away. Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
Jakar Umbra Altyr Initiative 510	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:48:00 - [3] - Quote So... the Mass Driver change is the reason to "especially" give a respec... Not the massive overhaul to dropsuits and their bonuses. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Reading General Discussions kills brain cells.
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 32	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:50:00 - [4] - Quote Haha yeah Oh and is there any chance we can get any news on wether the flaylocks gonna be buffed Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 698	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:50:00 - [5] - Quote Take nothing for granted. Assume nothing. Prepare for everything. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Teilka Darkmist 239	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:51:00 - [6] - Quote It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4822	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:59:00 - [7] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 330	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:09:00 - [8] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. Agreed. With this size and this level of changes it would be prudent for CCP to at least reimburse dropsuit tree skillpoints.
gravalicious Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:10:00 - [9] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. I'll be royally disappointed if we don't get one. I'd definitely quit. I don't care about a weapon respec, but I require a dropsuit respec. I didn't spec into my dropsuit for them to change the reason I specced into it.
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Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2270	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:12:00 - [11] - Quote No, and no A no respec will not kill the playerbase B we're not getting one OR it will be limited to heavies and Scouts. Listen I'll change the song every week
gravalicious Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:13:00 - [12] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: No, and no A no respec will not kill the playerbase B we're not getting one OR it will be limited to heavies and Scouts. u funy
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2270	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:15:00 - [13] - Quote gravalicious wrote: Killar-12 wrote: No, and no A no respec will not kill the playerbase B we're not getting one OR it will be limited to heavies and Scouts. u funy How long have you been around DUST? Listen I'll change the song every week
Teilka Darkmist 240	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:16:00 - [14] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. CCP doesn't absolutely have to give us anything. They could cut all support to the game tomorrow if they wanted to. All I was saying is that a respec is not certain, as the OP suggest in the title, unless CCP confirms it. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Nirwanda Vaughns 314	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:28:00 - [15] - Quote we'll get a sp and isk refund of the dropsuit command skill tree if anything just as teh vehicle guys got in 1.7. there are a lot of changes to dropsuits with a lot more being added so it would only seem fair to just do the same. Proto and proud!!
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1082	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:35:00 - [16] - Quote What changes are happening to the Mass Driver? Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2270	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:36:00 - [17] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: What changes are happening to the Mass Driver? Increased Direct and Splash damage. Listen I'll change the song every week
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 33	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:37:00 - [18] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. Agreed. With this size and this level of changes it would be prudent for CCP to at least reimburse dropsuit tree skillpoints. Yes definitely, the game is gonna change so much that the weapons and suits I skilled into will be totally different Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 49	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:39:00 - [19] - Quote weapond . suits and upgrades only and this should be the very last one
TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:40:00 - [20] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: we'll get a sp and isk refund of the dropsuit command skill tree if anything just as teh vehicle guys got in 1.7. there are a lot of changes to dropsuits with a lot more being added so it would only seem fair to just do the same. Yeah I myself assume a dropsuit command respec is probably coming, since they did a vehicle command respec in 1.7. That said, I still don't understand why they want to drive players away every month by disallowing respecs during beta phase. What's that it's not in beta phase? No, I'm pretty sure it is. You can call a black kettle grey but its still a black kettle. Likewise, just because Sony told them they couldn't call it beta anymore doesn't stop it from being beta.

Onesimus Tarsus 1137	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:42:00 - [21] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. Agreed. With this size and this level of changes it would be prudent for CCP to at least reimburse dropsuit tree skillpoints. Yes definitely, the game is gonna change so much that the weapons and suits I skilled into will be totally different War is totally different. Take what CCP does with your SP investment and work with it. You didn't see Jim Morrison asking for a re-do after that whole bathtub incident, did you? And Jim Morrison was a STAR! Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:44:00 - [22] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Egonz4 wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. Agreed. With this size and this level of changes it would be prudent for CCP to at least reimburse dropsuit tree skillpoints. Yes definitely, the game is gonna change so much that the weapons and suits I skilled into will be totally different War is totally different. Take what CCP does with your SP investment and work with it. You didn't see Jim Morrison asking for a re-do after that whole bathtub incident, did you? And Jim Morrison was a STAR! >Comparing something created for the purpose of recreational fun with the real world. Oh ok....
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1083	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:44:00 - [23] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: What changes are happening to the Mass Driver? Increased Direct and Splash damage. Mass Driver is getting an unneeded buff, therefore respec That is what this is about ? Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 470	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:45:00 - [24] - Quote Dropsuit Command is a given to me. Weaponry is like 95% chance. If they DO decide to change X Weapon Proficiency to only give it a boost against what it is good at (Blasters-Rails-Lasers against Shields, Projectiles-Explosives against Armor), then a refund becomes a certainty. If Weaponry IS refunded, it will because the Assault Suits are now loosely tied to a weapon rather than rifles getting tweaked and the Mass Driver getting more direct/splash damage. Dropsuit Upgrades is 50/50 to me. I go both ways when it comes to listening to the reasons for and against. Basically goes like this: "5% armor/shield and scan profile is useful regardless of what suit you have" against refund and "If I could have been a Caldari Heavy, I wouldn't have been Amarr meaning I wouldn't have put so much points into maxing my armor skills" for refund.
Nirwanda Vaughns 314	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:48:00 - [25] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: we'll get a sp and isk refund of the dropsuit command skill tree if anything just as teh vehicle guys got in 1.7. there are a lot of changes to dropsuits with a lot more being added so it would only seem fair to just do the same. Yeah I myself assume a dropsuit command respec is probably coming, since they did a vehicle command respec in 1.7. That said, I still don't understand why they want to drive players away every month by disallowing respecs during beta phase. What's that it's not in beta phase? No, I'm pretty sure it is. You can call a black kettle grey but its still a black kettle. Likewise, just because Sony told them they couldn't call it beta anymore doesn't stop it from being beta. hahaha yeah dust will always technically be a 'beta' same as EVE. as much as everyone keeps pining for respecs CCP have made it very adamantley clear there wont be any more full respecs. at eve vegas though they did confirm that they have been discussing 'respecs for AUR' ideas for the future which shoudl give folk a little something to fream about. as it is atm though you'll NOT get a full respec Proto and proud!!
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1083	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:53:00 - [26] - Quote I'd like to see the 4 rifles refunded in SP. It would give the game a little more diversity. And although I really don't like the idea of a skill giving a bonus to a specific weapon type, as it decreases unique aspect of the game making it more important to match a suit to a weapon than mixing and matching to preferred playstyle, I really don't think it is fair that someone with low SP skilled into the Assault Rifle (Gallente) or Scrambler Rifle (Amarr), because they only have the SP for 1 gun yet the most optimal is inaccessible. Same with SP in Scrambler Pistol (Amarr) and Flaylock Pistol (Minmatar) because they are releasing the Bolt Pistol (Caldari) and Ion Pistol (Gallente). The other weapons I say "no" to as they are specialty weapon that will not have racial parity. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:58:00 - [27] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: we'll get a sp and isk refund of the dropsuit command skill tree if anything just as teh vehicle guys got in 1.7. there are a lot of changes to dropsuits with a lot more being added so it would only seem fair to just do the same. Yeah I myself assume a dropsuit command respec is probably coming, since they did a vehicle command respec in 1.7. That said, I still don't understand why they want to drive players away every month by disallowing respecs during beta phase. What's that it's not in beta phase? No, I'm pretty sure it is. You can call a black kettle grey but its still a black kettle. Likewise, just because Sony told them they couldn't call it beta anymore doesn't stop it from being beta. hahaha yeah dust will always technically be a 'beta' same as EVE. as much as everyone keeps pining for respecs CCP have made it very adamantley clear there wont be any more full respecs. at eve vegas though they did confirm that they have been discussing 'respecs for AUR' ideas for the future which shoudl give folk a little something to dream about. as it is atm though you'll NOT get a full respec I get what they are trying to do, I just feel like they are basically say, "We are trying to make this game fail by refusing to understand the console fps market and try to compare it to the PC niche mmo market that is eve." If someone else made a competent space mmo eve would be in trouble given their general HTFU attitude with their fans. All I generally here about CCP tells me they think as long as they keep jamming square pegs into circular holes, eventually it should fit. Which pretty much sums up their current success rate with producing games other than eve.
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1214	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:58:00 - [28] - Quote If they don't do AT LEAST a Dropsuit Command and Upgrades respec, it'll mean a loss of players and loss of income. People spec into the role they spec into to have fun. They can't have fun if their role is changed and is no longer fun. For example, I enjoy running Laser Weaponry on my Amarr Assault. It's the reason I got the suit, and it's what makes the game fun for me. If they change that bonus, to something not involving Laser Weaponry, it makes the suit not as fun, and therefore takes away my reason to play the game. If they give a respec to Dropsuit Command, it's almost required that they respec Upgrades as well. Some people that put points into Caldari Asasult, might want to play the Gallente Heavy. You can't run a Gallente Heavy with all Shield Skills to 5 and nothing in Armor Skills. As for weaponry, it's a tricky one. I'd say MAYBE Weaponry, as some people chose their weapons based on their suit cough Gallente Heavies don't use Nova Knives cough. This should be the final respec. Any choices beyond this point are final, because now we have everything here. HOWEVER, if more sweeping changes as big as this one are to arrive, I expect CCP to deal out a respec as needed. It's just incredibly illogical to change slot counts and bonuses, WHILE adding new ones, and not give out a needed respec. Like I said earlier, not giving a respec would be taking the fun out of the game, for most people. Before I get the certain comment we all know and love... We can't make and live with a decision we didn't have in the first place. Don't tell me that I need to live with my actions, when my actions were limited and are now being opened up. ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 94	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:59:00 - [29] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. ccp already said they will not be doing any full respecs ever again (after the fiasco ) and they will be doing a selective respecs and updates always have bugs yes i scream KA-ME-HA-MEHAAAAAA when i forge muthafuckas the Turtle Hermit: Professional Heavy
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 701	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:03:00 - [30] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: War is totally different. War. War never changes. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.

Onesimus Tarsus 1139	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:05:00 - [31] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: >Comparing something created for the purpose of recreational fun with the real world. Oh ok.... Jim Morrison was NOT created for your recreational fun, you pinko Quisling! You'd better never let Alan Parsons hear you say stuff like that! Remember the Alamo's basement! Freedom+Liberty=Freebirdy! Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 391	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:06:00 - [32] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. you have played this game after patches, right ....
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1214	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:08:00 - [33] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: You have played any game after patches, right...? FTFY. ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1084	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:14:00 - [34] - Quote Spademan wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: War is totally different. War. War never changes. Spademan GÖÑ Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 418	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:16:00 - [35] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: No, and no A no respec will not kill the playerbase B we're not getting one OR it will be limited to heavies and Scouts. us assaults are changing too I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 34	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:25:00 - [36] - Quote I think we should at the very least get a WEAPONS +DROPSUIT RESPEC cuz now they're changing the RR and the MD, plus two new weapons r coming. But ccp give us a final full respec. IT WILL BE THE LAST ONE. +1 this if u promise that a full respec is the final respec u need Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 392	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:45:00 - [37] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: I think we should at the very least get a WEAPONS +DROPSUIT RESPEC cuz now they're changing the RR and the MD, plus two new weapons r coming. But ccp give us a final full respec. IT WILL BE THE LAST ONE. +1 this if u promise that a full respec is the final respec u need that wont work; b/c is u do a dropsuit respect; then u need to resepc everything; b/c if u move from a shield based suit to an armor (or visa versa) there is a loss of say 2-3M SP in shield/armor skilling you wont be using. It has to be a full respect if anything otherwise it is just a waste
Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:54:00 - [38] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Dropsuit command is a looking good possibly weapons if they change more then a few , BUT not drop suit upgrades since nothing has changed. Just another unbanned alt
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 270	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:02:00 - [39] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. Tweaking numbers and redoing bonuses is not the same as removing four skills and rolling them into one that unlocks all the different modules. There is no guarantee of a respec until that is done. Maybe they'll be nice and refund heavies and scouts but they are under absolutely zero obligation to do so - as the Eula states in TL;DR form "things may change and you might not like them. We expect you to put on your big girl panties"
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 40	Posted - 2014.02.09 03:56:00 - [40] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Egonz4 wrote: I think we should at the very least get a WEAPONS +DROPSUIT RESPEC cuz now they're changing the RR and the MD, plus two new weapons r coming. But ccp give us a final full respec. IT WILL BE THE LAST ONE. +1 this if u promise that a full respec is the final respec u need that wont work; b/c is u do a dropsuit respect; then u need to resepc everything; b/c if u move from a shield based suit to an armor (or visa versa) there is a loss of say 2-3M SP in shield/armor skilling you wont be using. It has to be a full respect if anything otherwise it is just a waste Yes I agree Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10649	Posted - 2014.02.09 04:55:00 - [41] - Quote 1.8 Full Infantry Respec is guaranteed. My crystal ball never lies. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 510	Posted - 2014.02.09 13:21:00 - [42] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: What's that it's not in beta phase? No, I'm pretty sure it is. You can call a black kettle grey but its still a black kettle. Likewise, just because Sony told them they couldn't call it beta anymore doesn't stop it from being beta. LOL, I keep telling people that. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y 386	Posted - 2014.02.09 13:32:00 - [43] - Quote can we just add in skills to allow eve pilots to fly into our maps and ** up everyone *** day, at least there would be something cool to see in this game then
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 212	Posted - 2014.02.09 13:58:00 - [44] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
drixon talaro Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 9	Posted - 2014.02.09 14:54:00 - [45] - Quote well i downloaded this game last may, but because of scamming corps and my own juvenile ignorance i was taken for millions of isk.... so i quit playing till back in august, when i came back i had all kinds of passive skill points and started dumping here, there, **** everywhere! i didnt get jack from the last respec or any before that seeing as how i had no sp in vehicles.... i think a suit re spec should be givin, i know they said no more but people benefited in the past from a full re spec of something or another.... but not this guy, and i guarantee there are more people like me that have been playing for 5 months or so a whole lot, i have 12 mil sp but i have like 5 to 6 mil locked up in all kinds of different suits cause i didnt know the difference between the different suits at the time, if not a full respec at least one on the heavy side and or scout side that would still unlock abt 2 mil isk for me to put into another suit command tree.... i know there has got to be other people with this same problem of dumping points into things before someone was nice enough to be like, hey dumb ass u shouldn't have done that!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1603	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:28:00 - [46] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. CCP's track record is longer downtimes and borked content for a few days with small patches to fix and adjust the new content. I am not trying to be a downer, just a realist. Expect anything but a flawless release. I would not expect a SP refund either. They are master trolls, don't forget it. I do think we will get a partial refund because they have painted themselves into a corner but I would not be surprised if it doesn't happen. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:32:00 - [47] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. CCP's track record is longer downtimes and borked content for a few days with small patches to fix and adjust the new content. I am not trying to be a downer, just a realist. Expect anything but a flawless release. I would not expect a SP refund either. They are master trolls, don't forget it. I do think we will get a partial refund because they have painted themselves into a corner but I would not be surprised if it doesn't happen. Agreed the last respec ccp gave was over 8 months ago Just another unbanned alt
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 437	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:35:00 - [48] - Quote As i have said countless times, givng a full dropsuit respec would negate any need to grind for your suit of preferance, grinding for something you want in the CORE of skill based mmos and players logging in every day to do the grind dance. Watch like almost and of the 'Extra credits' videos on you tube and they explain it plain as dsy. Respec=hay customers for 2 months tops then they will have nothing to grind for and play lass and less. And dont even get me started on how it will kill ccps boster profits
Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:37:00 - [49] - Quote Respec are only given annually or because "a skill group has been alter significantly or skills where to be removed." Take that in and apply it your questions. Just another unbanned alt
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 43	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:42:00 - [50] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.

Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:45:00 - [51] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. That's a cop out and its a sad excuse for an excuse. Just another unbanned alt
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1603	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:17:00 - [52] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. CCP's track record is longer downtimes and borked content for a few days with small patches to fix and adjust the new content. I am not trying to be a downer, just a realist. Expect anything but a flawless release. I would not expect a SP refund either. They are master trolls, don't forget it. I do think we will get a partial refund because they have painted themselves into a corner but I would not be surprised if it doesn't happen. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1215	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:32:00 - [53] - Quote It keeps getting said, and no one is correcting them, so I guess I have to. OP said MAJOR bugs. Everyone keeps telling him there will definitely bugs. People are making it sound like "You're stupid, of course there will be bugs". Again, he said MAJOR bugs. Like, trying to hack a Null Cannon will instantly make you suicide, or place an RE and setting it off deals negative damage to the enemy. Those kind of major bugs. There will definitely be bugs, but (maybe) nothing gamebreaking, like the stupid Nitrous' on a tank in 1.7.0. :P ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1603	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:50:00 - [54] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. The only thing that will bring back and keep old players is content. Refunded SP is about a six week bandaid. A full line up of suits and weapons will do more for the game than any refunded SP will. Good games keep players not how often one can respecialize. We need content not respecs. You want to bring back players and make the active players happy? Add all suits and weapons, player trading/market and PVE. A full line of vehicles from every race will help but the first three are the most important. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10650	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:53:00 - [55] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. The only thing that will bring back and keep old players is content. Refunded SP is about a six week bandaid. A full line up of suits and weapons will do more for the game than any refunded SP will. Good games keep players not how often one can respecialize. We need content not respecs. You want to bring back players and make the active players happy? Add all suits and weapons, player trading/market and PVE. A full line of vehicles from every race will help but the first three are the most important. Yet adding in that backlogged content without refunding SP will only serve to further push players away Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1144	Posted - 2014.02.09 17:00:00 - [56] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: It keeps getting said, and no one is correcting them, so I guess I have to. OP said MAJOR bugs. Everyone keeps telling him there will definitely bugs. People are making it sound like "You're stupid, of course there will be bugs". Again, he said MAJOR bugs. Like, trying to hack a Null Cannon will instantly make you suicide, or place an RE and setting it off deals negative damage to the enemy. Those kind of major bugs. There will definitely be bugs, but (maybe) nothing gamebreaking, like the stupid Nitrous' on a tank in 1.7.0. :P What about a Domination map Where the ONE Null cannon in the ENTIRE map is placed UNDER a significant feature change THEY JUST did... And cannot fire missiles at a MCC? Sheesh.... I'M STILL SHOCKED that they fixed that turret structure stuck under the map in 1.7..... Specially with invisible walls being in the middle of highly trafficked area's for 2 patches... without even a mention... I Swear CCP Would get 2 Million times better maps if they opened up some kind of Fan creation, submitting and publishing process.. I think it was Said best in the December review. Gamespot wrote: The gameplay's more tangible issues are too numerous to recount in full. Battlegrounds are too large for the player count, resulting in long stretches where enemies are nowhere to be found. They're wastelands of muddy industrial sameness, with no attention to scale or flow. Paths dead-end nonsensically. Ladders and hallways lead to empty rooms devoid of relation to objectives or tactics. Weapon types are tremendously imbalanced. Audio effects sound cheap and have little relevance to the direction or proximity of their source. Dips in the frame rate result in distant enemies frequently looking like they're moving in stop-motion. The list goes on, but the problems run deeper.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 582	Posted - 2014.02.09 17:06:00 - [57] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: So... the Mass Driver change is the reason to "especially" give a respec... Not the massive overhaul to dropsuits and their bonuses. Lol. I just ROFL'd when I read this. Yep. The 60 or 80 dmg increase is the reason to give the respec! lololz Newb
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1604	Posted - 2014.02.09 18:43:00 - [58] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. The only thing that will bring back and keep old players is content. Refunded SP is about a six week bandaid. A full line up of suits and weapons will do more for the game than any refunded SP will. Good games keep players not how often one can respecialize. We need content not respecs. You want to bring back players and make the active players happy? Add all suits and weapons, player trading/market and PVE. A full line of vehicles from every race will help but the first three are the most important. Yet adding in that backlogged content without refunding SP will only serve to further push players away I agree, I am only saying that a SP refund does not make the game fun, to stop players from leaving and staying gone we need content not refunds. It will help for a while but respecs doesn't keep or attract players. It may bring some back for make us feel better-for a while-but it doesn't solve any of the problems we have. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 78	Posted - 2014.02.09 23:31:00 - [59] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: we'll get a sp and isk refund of the dropsuit command skill tree if anything just as teh vehicle guys got in 1.7. there are a lot of changes to dropsuits with a lot more being added so it would only seem fair to just do the same. Yeah I myself assume a dropsuit command respec is probably coming, since they did a vehicle command respec in 1.7. That said, I still don't understand why they want to drive players away every month by disallowing respecs during beta phase. What's that it's not in beta phase? No, I'm pretty sure it is. You can call a black kettle grey but its still a black kettle. Likewise, just because Sony told them they couldn't call it beta anymore doesn't stop it from being beta. hahaha yeah dust will always technically be a 'beta' same as EVE. as much as everyone keeps pining for respecs CCP have made it very adamantley clear there wont be any more full respecs. at eve vegas though they did confirm that they have been discussing 'respecs for AUR' ideas for the future which shoudl give folk a little something to dream about. as it is atm though you'll NOT get a full respec I get what they are trying to do, I just feel like they are basically saying, "We are trying to make this game fail by refusing to understand the console fps market and try to compare it to the PC niche mmo market that eve belongs to." Because let's be honest, every game is essentially Super Mario Bros /sarcasm. If someone else made a competent space mmo eve would be in trouble given their general HTFU attitude with their playerbase. All I generally here about CCP tells me they think as long as they keep jamming square pegs into circular holes, eventually it should fit. Which pretty much sums up their current success rate with producing games other then eve. CCP should change their company name to "Edgy." This game is literally free to anyone who owns a ps3 and has internet and how big is the player base? For Christ's sake, probably next to casual puzzle games, fps on consoles has to be one of the largest markets. You literally can't give this game away... it has so much potential but they won't stop trying as hard as they can to kill it. We may find out soon enough... Diversity, Warframe, Blacklist Retribution & PlanetSide2 are all free-to-play games coming out this year.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1120	Posted - 2014.02.09 23:41:00 - [60] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: As i have said countless times, givng a full dropsuit respec would negate any need to grind for your suit of preferance, grinding for something you want is the CORE of skill based mmos and players logging in every day to do the grind dance. Watch like almost any of the 'Extra credits' videos on you tube and they explain it plain as dsy. Respec=happy customers for 2 months tops then they will have nothing to grind for and play lass and less. And dont even get me started on how it will kill ccps boster profits you are missing the big picture. why should I again bother grinding for a new playstyle because CCP decided to again remove the playstyles I trained before that I wanted? I have selected a playstyle, I trained of it and CCP will again remove or alter it. beside that, there is nothing in the game that holds people long term. pub matches are unbalanced, PC is a lagfest and FW is just another way to force grinding. no respec = many vets will leave because they are tired of wasting money for boosters & grinding out CCPs design mistakes every patch. I hear people always telling me that choices matter, but the truth is they dont in a game without content where core mechanics get changed every patch.

zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 482	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:05:00 - [61] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. You want a respec JUST for the Mass Driver. Well, ****, get ready for the storm I'm about to drop on your FotM encapsulated empty skull with my Plasma Rifle. As usual, I will annihilate all FotM scum. Take your dirty respec, you'll need it, coward. AR Dmg: 34, RoF: 750 RPM, DPS: 425, RR Dmg: 55, RoF: 461 RPM, DPS: 422**, + double the range. Balanced.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3969	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:09:00 - [62] - Quote The only skills that should be refunded are sidearm skills and the light/heavy frame skills If you wanted to use a mass driver, you should've put SP into it by now. I am your scan error.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1181	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:47:00 - [63] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. Yeah seriously. Bye CCP. Here's another nail for your DUST coffin. There is a statue in Jita with your name on it. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1181	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:48:00 - [64] - Quote zibathy numbertwo wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. You want a respec JUST for the Mass Driver. Well, ******, get ready for the storm I'm about to drop on your FotM encapsulated empty skull with my Plasma Rifle. As usual, I will annihilate all FotM scum. Take your dirty respec, you'll need it, coward. GÇªgoes back to the table when Mom threatens to send him to his room. Amiright? Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1610	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:17:00 - [65] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The only skills that should be refunded are sidearm skills and the light/heavy frame skills If you wanted to use a mass driver, you should've put SP into it by now. Pretty much what you said. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 44	Posted - 2014.02.10 03:01:00 - [66] - Quote New post bump Plz respond ccp! Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
major faux-pas Valor Coalition 91	Posted - 2014.02.10 12:04:00 - [67] - Quote CCP, Can we have an official statement? It seems that 1) BLACK AND WHITE: Refund of dropsuit tree could not be argued against (rationally) 2) GREY AREA: refund of upgrade and weapons trees are debatable (based on 'life-choices' related to dropsuit tree) 3) BLACK AND WHITE: vehicle tree un-related. 'The rules are the rules' If you change the rules, it's only fair you allow players to put their houses in order. Please advise, MFP
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1121	Posted - 2014.02.10 13:55:00 - [68] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: You either have a chance to bring back more people into the game (respec), or make them leave (no respec). FYI I won't be one of the people leaving but I do think when 1.8 hits it'll be just like when uprising came, it will be a whole new game, and I think a respec will be a great way to start off a new beginning in Dust with all the racial variants in. With all the changes n stuff I think it's pretty obvious we need a respec, but if the answers no please tell us now so we can know wether we should start saving sp. Original post follows.......................... So respecs are pretty much a given now right? Especially now with the Mass Driver and Rail Rifle changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. the only thing that matters is that every patch introduced core mechanic changes till now. you train for playstyle X and next patch it is different and you do not want it. your decision is made null and void by CCP design mistakes and this pisses people off because they again have to grind for something they like because it is similar. this is enough of reason to endorse a full infantry respec.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:33:00 - [69] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. The only thing that will bring back and keep old players is content. Refunded SP is about a six week bandaid. A full line up of suits and weapons will do more for the game than any refunded SP will. Good games keep players not how often one can respecialize. We need content not respecs. You want to bring back players and make the active players happy? Add all suits and weapons, player trading/market and PVE. A full line of vehicles from every race will help but the first three are the most important. Yet adding in that backlogged content without refunding SP will only serve to further push players away Exactly, to quote a guy talking about extra credits earlier, there is plenty of market evidence that nickel and diming players causes backlash and usually kills a game launch or forces the devs to back pedal and make up for it. Right now CCP is in the stage of either back pedaling on no sp refunds or packing up and accepting another failed game/free up their servers. Only the most moronic would pay out aurum to get what they want after having put 8 months into the game. Yes, CCP has every right to do what they want, but the consumer has every right to call them out on the bullshit and pick up any thousands of other games to play. Last time they gave out an sp reset was when they "left beta", seeing as how they never left beta and have made changes since then across the board jerking the players that have remained around every month after promising a released product, they are playing with fire. Like I've said before this game is literally free to play and where fps games are king on consoles, the vast majority of ps3 players won't touch this game. I haven't found favorable reviews when I can find any at all. The most favorable are "It's got potential but CCP has pulled a Peter Molyneux, promised us the world and gave us a 9'x9' room.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 499	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:39:00 - [70] - Quote Im just concerned that everyone will spec into gallente scout, heavy, or assault, or the caldari scout/heavy as these will obviously be the next FoTM, and then realize that they require some modicum of skill, and complain that CCP mislead them, and demand another respec. Thats just my take. Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:48:00 - [71] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Im just concerned that everyone will spec into gallente scout, heavy, or assault, or the caldari scout/heavy as these will obviously be the next FoTM, and then realize that they require some modicum of skill, and complain that CCP mislead them, and demand another respec. Thats just my take. Yeah but the thing is the people who do follow the FoTM will be boned come next update as their is a long history of CCP nerfing the FoTM IE, the overpowered dominant strategy. It's been about 8 months since a respec, honestly I feel until CCP moves out of beta and keeps tweaking core mechanics, resets should come every now and then. Respecs should stop once the core is actually finished and the only thing they are working on is expanded gameplay. Tweaking of skill trees/suits, weapons, and vehicles falls under core mechanics. Most RPG online games even the f2p models give their playerbases respecs anytime they screw around with what people spent months to years grinding on.


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