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Onesimus Tarsus 1139	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:05:00 - [31] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: >Comparing something created for the purpose of recreational fun with the real world. Oh ok.... Jim Morrison was NOT created for your recreational fun, you pinko Quisling! You'd better never let Alan Parsons hear you say stuff like that! Remember the Alamo's basement! Freedom+Liberty=Freebirdy! Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 391	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:06:00 - [32] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. you have played this game after patches, right ....
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1214	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:08:00 - [33] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: You have played any game after patches, right...? FTFY. ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1084	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:14:00 - [34] - Quote Spademan wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: War is totally different. War. War never changes. Spademan GÖÑ Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 418	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:16:00 - [35] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: No, and no A no respec will not kill the playerbase B we're not getting one OR it will be limited to heavies and Scouts. us assaults are changing too I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 34	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:25:00 - [36] - Quote I think we should at the very least get a WEAPONS +DROPSUIT RESPEC cuz now they're changing the RR and the MD, plus two new weapons r coming. But ccp give us a final full respec. IT WILL BE THE LAST ONE. +1 this if u promise that a full respec is the final respec u need Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 392	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:45:00 - [37] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: I think we should at the very least get a WEAPONS +DROPSUIT RESPEC cuz now they're changing the RR and the MD, plus two new weapons r coming. But ccp give us a final full respec. IT WILL BE THE LAST ONE. +1 this if u promise that a full respec is the final respec u need that wont work; b/c is u do a dropsuit respect; then u need to resepc everything; b/c if u move from a shield based suit to an armor (or visa versa) there is a loss of say 2-3M SP in shield/armor skilling you wont be using. It has to be a full respect if anything otherwise it is just a waste
Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:54:00 - [38] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Dropsuit command is a looking good possibly weapons if they change more then a few , BUT not drop suit upgrades since nothing has changed. Just another unbanned alt
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 270	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:02:00 - [39] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. Tweaking numbers and redoing bonuses is not the same as removing four skills and rolling them into one that unlocks all the different modules. There is no guarantee of a respec until that is done. Maybe they'll be nice and refund heavies and scouts but they are under absolutely zero obligation to do so - as the Eula states in TL;DR form "things may change and you might not like them. We expect you to put on your big girl panties"
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 40	Posted - 2014.02.09 03:56:00 - [40] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Egonz4 wrote: I think we should at the very least get a WEAPONS +DROPSUIT RESPEC cuz now they're changing the RR and the MD, plus two new weapons r coming. But ccp give us a final full respec. IT WILL BE THE LAST ONE. +1 this if u promise that a full respec is the final respec u need that wont work; b/c is u do a dropsuit respect; then u need to resepc everything; b/c if u move from a shield based suit to an armor (or visa versa) there is a loss of say 2-3M SP in shield/armor skilling you wont be using. It has to be a full respect if anything otherwise it is just a waste Yes I agree Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10649	Posted - 2014.02.09 04:55:00 - [41] - Quote 1.8 Full Infantry Respec is guaranteed. My crystal ball never lies. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 510	Posted - 2014.02.09 13:21:00 - [42] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: What's that it's not in beta phase? No, I'm pretty sure it is. You can call a black kettle grey but its still a black kettle. Likewise, just because Sony told them they couldn't call it beta anymore doesn't stop it from being beta. LOL, I keep telling people that. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Trained Skills
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y 386	Posted - 2014.02.09 13:32:00 - [43] - Quote can we just add in skills to allow eve pilots to fly into our maps and ** up everyone *** day, at least there would be something cool to see in this game then
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 212	Posted - 2014.02.09 13:58:00 - [44] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
drixon talaro Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 9	Posted - 2014.02.09 14:54:00 - [45] - Quote well i downloaded this game last may, but because of scamming corps and my own juvenile ignorance i was taken for millions of isk.... so i quit playing till back in august, when i came back i had all kinds of passive skill points and started dumping here, there, **** everywhere! i didnt get jack from the last respec or any before that seeing as how i had no sp in vehicles.... i think a suit re spec should be givin, i know they said no more but people benefited in the past from a full re spec of something or another.... but not this guy, and i guarantee there are more people like me that have been playing for 5 months or so a whole lot, i have 12 mil sp but i have like 5 to 6 mil locked up in all kinds of different suits cause i didnt know the difference between the different suits at the time, if not a full respec at least one on the heavy side and or scout side that would still unlock abt 2 mil isk for me to put into another suit command tree.... i know there has got to be other people with this same problem of dumping points into things before someone was nice enough to be like, hey dumb ass u shouldn't have done that!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1603	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:28:00 - [46] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. CCP's track record is longer downtimes and borked content for a few days with small patches to fix and adjust the new content. I am not trying to be a downer, just a realist. Expect anything but a flawless release. I would not expect a SP refund either. They are master trolls, don't forget it. I do think we will get a partial refund because they have painted themselves into a corner but I would not be surprised if it doesn't happen. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:32:00 - [47] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. CCP's track record is longer downtimes and borked content for a few days with small patches to fix and adjust the new content. I am not trying to be a downer, just a realist. Expect anything but a flawless release. I would not expect a SP refund either. They are master trolls, don't forget it. I do think we will get a partial refund because they have painted themselves into a corner but I would not be surprised if it doesn't happen. Agreed the last respec ccp gave was over 8 months ago Just another unbanned alt
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 437	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:35:00 - [48] - Quote As i have said countless times, givng a full dropsuit respec would negate any need to grind for your suit of preferance, grinding for something you want in the CORE of skill based mmos and players logging in every day to do the grind dance. Watch like almost and of the 'Extra credits' videos on you tube and they explain it plain as dsy. Respec=hay customers for 2 months tops then they will have nothing to grind for and play lass and less. And dont even get me started on how it will kill ccps boster profits
Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:37:00 - [49] - Quote Respec are only given annually or because "a skill group has been alter significantly or skills where to be removed." Take that in and apply it your questions. Just another unbanned alt
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 43	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:42:00 - [50] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.

Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:45:00 - [51] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. That's a cop out and its a sad excuse for an excuse. Just another unbanned alt
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1603	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:17:00 - [52] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. CCP's track record is longer downtimes and borked content for a few days with small patches to fix and adjust the new content. I am not trying to be a downer, just a realist. Expect anything but a flawless release. I would not expect a SP refund either. They are master trolls, don't forget it. I do think we will get a partial refund because they have painted themselves into a corner but I would not be surprised if it doesn't happen. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1215	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:32:00 - [53] - Quote It keeps getting said, and no one is correcting them, so I guess I have to. OP said MAJOR bugs. Everyone keeps telling him there will definitely bugs. People are making it sound like "You're stupid, of course there will be bugs". Again, he said MAJOR bugs. Like, trying to hack a Null Cannon will instantly make you suicide, or place an RE and setting it off deals negative damage to the enemy. Those kind of major bugs. There will definitely be bugs, but (maybe) nothing gamebreaking, like the stupid Nitrous' on a tank in 1.7.0. :P ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1603	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:50:00 - [54] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. The only thing that will bring back and keep old players is content. Refunded SP is about a six week bandaid. A full line up of suits and weapons will do more for the game than any refunded SP will. Good games keep players not how often one can respecialize. We need content not respecs. You want to bring back players and make the active players happy? Add all suits and weapons, player trading/market and PVE. A full line of vehicles from every race will help but the first three are the most important. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10650	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:53:00 - [55] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. The only thing that will bring back and keep old players is content. Refunded SP is about a six week bandaid. A full line up of suits and weapons will do more for the game than any refunded SP will. Good games keep players not how often one can respecialize. We need content not respecs. You want to bring back players and make the active players happy? Add all suits and weapons, player trading/market and PVE. A full line of vehicles from every race will help but the first three are the most important. Yet adding in that backlogged content without refunding SP will only serve to further push players away Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1144	Posted - 2014.02.09 17:00:00 - [56] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: It keeps getting said, and no one is correcting them, so I guess I have to. OP said MAJOR bugs. Everyone keeps telling him there will definitely bugs. People are making it sound like "You're stupid, of course there will be bugs". Again, he said MAJOR bugs. Like, trying to hack a Null Cannon will instantly make you suicide, or place an RE and setting it off deals negative damage to the enemy. Those kind of major bugs. There will definitely be bugs, but (maybe) nothing gamebreaking, like the stupid Nitrous' on a tank in 1.7.0. :P What about a Domination map Where the ONE Null cannon in the ENTIRE map is placed UNDER a significant feature change THEY JUST did... And cannot fire missiles at a MCC? Sheesh.... I'M STILL SHOCKED that they fixed that turret structure stuck under the map in 1.7..... Specially with invisible walls being in the middle of highly trafficked area's for 2 patches... without even a mention... I Swear CCP Would get 2 Million times better maps if they opened up some kind of Fan creation, submitting and publishing process.. I think it was Said best in the December review. Gamespot wrote: The gameplay's more tangible issues are too numerous to recount in full. Battlegrounds are too large for the player count, resulting in long stretches where enemies are nowhere to be found. They're wastelands of muddy industrial sameness, with no attention to scale or flow. Paths dead-end nonsensically. Ladders and hallways lead to empty rooms devoid of relation to objectives or tactics. Weapon types are tremendously imbalanced. Audio effects sound cheap and have little relevance to the direction or proximity of their source. Dips in the frame rate result in distant enemies frequently looking like they're moving in stop-motion. The list goes on, but the problems run deeper.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 582	Posted - 2014.02.09 17:06:00 - [57] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: So... the Mass Driver change is the reason to "especially" give a respec... Not the massive overhaul to dropsuits and their bonuses. Lol. I just ROFL'd when I read this. Yep. The 60 or 80 dmg increase is the reason to give the respec! lololz Newb
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1604	Posted - 2014.02.09 18:43:00 - [58] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. The only thing that will bring back and keep old players is content. Refunded SP is about a six week bandaid. A full line up of suits and weapons will do more for the game than any refunded SP will. Good games keep players not how often one can respecialize. We need content not respecs. You want to bring back players and make the active players happy? Add all suits and weapons, player trading/market and PVE. A full line of vehicles from every race will help but the first three are the most important. Yet adding in that backlogged content without refunding SP will only serve to further push players away I agree, I am only saying that a SP refund does not make the game fun, to stop players from leaving and staying gone we need content not refunds. It will help for a while but respecs doesn't keep or attract players. It may bring some back for make us feel better-for a while-but it doesn't solve any of the problems we have. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 78	Posted - 2014.02.09 23:31:00 - [59] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: we'll get a sp and isk refund of the dropsuit command skill tree if anything just as teh vehicle guys got in 1.7. there are a lot of changes to dropsuits with a lot more being added so it would only seem fair to just do the same. Yeah I myself assume a dropsuit command respec is probably coming, since they did a vehicle command respec in 1.7. That said, I still don't understand why they want to drive players away every month by disallowing respecs during beta phase. What's that it's not in beta phase? No, I'm pretty sure it is. You can call a black kettle grey but its still a black kettle. Likewise, just because Sony told them they couldn't call it beta anymore doesn't stop it from being beta. hahaha yeah dust will always technically be a 'beta' same as EVE. as much as everyone keeps pining for respecs CCP have made it very adamantley clear there wont be any more full respecs. at eve vegas though they did confirm that they have been discussing 'respecs for AUR' ideas for the future which shoudl give folk a little something to dream about. as it is atm though you'll NOT get a full respec I get what they are trying to do, I just feel like they are basically saying, "We are trying to make this game fail by refusing to understand the console fps market and try to compare it to the PC niche mmo market that eve belongs to." Because let's be honest, every game is essentially Super Mario Bros /sarcasm. If someone else made a competent space mmo eve would be in trouble given their general HTFU attitude with their playerbase. All I generally here about CCP tells me they think as long as they keep jamming square pegs into circular holes, eventually it should fit. Which pretty much sums up their current success rate with producing games other then eve. CCP should change their company name to "Edgy." This game is literally free to anyone who owns a ps3 and has internet and how big is the player base? For Christ's sake, probably next to casual puzzle games, fps on consoles has to be one of the largest markets. You literally can't give this game away... it has so much potential but they won't stop trying as hard as they can to kill it. We may find out soon enough... Diversity, Warframe, Blacklist Retribution & PlanetSide2 are all free-to-play games coming out this year.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1120	Posted - 2014.02.09 23:41:00 - [60] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: As i have said countless times, givng a full dropsuit respec would negate any need to grind for your suit of preferance, grinding for something you want is the CORE of skill based mmos and players logging in every day to do the grind dance. Watch like almost any of the 'Extra credits' videos on you tube and they explain it plain as dsy. Respec=happy customers for 2 months tops then they will have nothing to grind for and play lass and less. And dont even get me started on how it will kill ccps boster profits you are missing the big picture. why should I again bother grinding for a new playstyle because CCP decided to again remove the playstyles I trained before that I wanted? I have selected a playstyle, I trained of it and CCP will again remove or alter it. beside that, there is nothing in the game that holds people long term. pub matches are unbalanced, PC is a lagfest and FW is just another way to force grinding. no respec = many vets will leave because they are tired of wasting money for boosters & grinding out CCPs design mistakes every patch. I hear people always telling me that choices matter, but the truth is they dont in a game without content where core mechanics get changed every patch.



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