DUST Search - So a respec is pretty much a given now right?

DUST Fiend wrote:

The Robot Devil wrote:

Egonz4 wrote:

Kierkegaard Soren wrote:

Egonz4 wrote:

Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right.
I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it.

Nope.

There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day.

At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either.

Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date.
I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players.

The only thing that will bring back and keep old players is content. Refunded SP is about a six week bandaid. A full line up of suits and weapons will do more for the game than any refunded SP will. Good games keep players not how often one can respecialize. We need content not respecs. You want to bring back players and make the active players happy? Add all suits and weapons, player trading/market and PVE. A full line of vehicles from every race will help but the first three are the most important.

Yet adding in that backlogged content without refunding SP will only serve to further push players away

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zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 482	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:05:00 - [61] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. You want a respec JUST for the Mass Driver. Well, ****, get ready for the storm I'm about to drop on your FotM encapsulated empty skull with my Plasma Rifle. As usual, I will annihilate all FotM scum. Take your dirty respec, you'll need it, coward. AR Dmg: 34, RoF: 750 RPM, DPS: 425, RR Dmg: 55, RoF: 461 RPM, DPS: 422**, + double the range. Balanced.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3969	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:09:00 - [62] - Quote The only skills that should be refunded are sidearm skills and the light/heavy frame skills If you wanted to use a mass driver, you should've put SP into it by now. I am your scan error.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1181	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:47:00 - [63] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: It's not a given unless CCP confirms it. CCP is changing every suit in the game, adding a few more, and changing weapons and equipment. No respec = loss of a lot of players from the already small playerbase. Yeah seriously. Bye CCP. Here's another nail for your DUST coffin. There is a statue in Jita with your name on it. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1181	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:48:00 - [64] - Quote zibathy numbertwo wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. You want a respec JUST for the Mass Driver. Well, ******, get ready for the storm I'm about to drop on your FotM encapsulated empty skull with my Plasma Rifle. As usual, I will annihilate all FotM scum. Take your dirty respec, you'll need it, coward. GÇªgoes back to the table when Mom threatens to send him to his room. Amiright? Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1610	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:17:00 - [65] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The only skills that should be refunded are sidearm skills and the light/heavy frame skills If you wanted to use a mass driver, you should've put SP into it by now. Pretty much what you said. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 44	Posted - 2014.02.10 03:01:00 - [66] - Quote New post bump Plz respond ccp! Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
major faux-pas Valor Coalition 91	Posted - 2014.02.10 12:04:00 - [67] - Quote CCP, Can we have an official statement? It seems that 1) BLACK AND WHITE: Refund of dropsuit tree could not be argued against (rationally) 2) GREY AREA: refund of upgrade and weapons trees are debatable (based on 'life-choices' related to dropsuit tree) 3) BLACK AND WHITE: vehicle tree un-related. 'The rules are the rules' If you change the rules, it's only fair you allow players to put their houses in order. Please advise, MFP
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1121	Posted - 2014.02.10 13:55:00 - [68] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: You either have a chance to bring back more people into the game (respec), or make them leave (no respec). FYI I won't be one of the people leaving but I do think when 1.8 hits it'll be just like when uprising came, it will be a whole new game, and I think a respec will be a great way to start off a new beginning in Dust with all the racial variants in. With all the changes n stuff I think it's pretty obvious we need a respec, but if the answers no please tell us now so we can know wether we should start saving sp. Original post follows.......................... So respecs are pretty much a given now right? Especially now with the Mass Driver and Rail Rifle changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. the only thing that matters is that every patch introduced core mechanic changes till now. you train for playstyle X and next patch it is different and you do not want it. your decision is made null and void by CCP design mistakes and this pisses people off because they again have to grind for something they like because it is similar. this is enough of reason to endorse a full infantry respec.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:33:00 - [69] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Especially now with the Mass Driver changes right. I must say 1.8 is looking out to be the best patch ever, as long as there's no major bugs along with it. Nope. There is clearly an internal discussion within CCP about the merits of any kind of sp respec, and personally I see the latest round of sp bonus weeks as the workaround to this issue: don't refund the sp, just shower is with massive amounts of bonus sp so that we can all play with the new toys come patch day. At most, well get a suit respec. But I don't think that's a given, either. Yes but the sp event we just had would be too far away from 1.8 release. So in my opinion unless they have another one, the last sp event we had is just too far away from the 1.8 release date. I already spent my sp because I am confident we will get a respec. The main point to me is if they don't give a respec lots of people have said they're gonna leave, plus they would be missing out on an opportunity to bring back old players. The only thing that will bring back and keep old players is content. Refunded SP is about a six week bandaid. A full line up of suits and weapons will do more for the game than any refunded SP will. Good games keep players not how often one can respecialize. We need content not respecs. You want to bring back players and make the active players happy? Add all suits and weapons, player trading/market and PVE. A full line of vehicles from every race will help but the first three are the most important. Yet adding in that backlogged content without refunding SP will only serve to further push players away Exactly, to quote a guy talking about extra credits earlier, there is plenty of market evidence that nickel and diming players causes backlash and usually kills a game launch or forces the devs to back pedal and make up for it. Right now CCP is in the stage of either back pedaling on no sp refunds or packing up and accepting another failed game/free up their servers. Only the most moronic would pay out aurum to get what they want after having put 8 months into the game. Yes, CCP has every right to do what they want, but the consumer has every right to call them out on the bullshit and pick up any thousands of other games to play. Last time they gave out an sp reset was when they "left beta", seeing as how they never left beta and have made changes since then across the board jerking the players that have remained around every month after promising a released product, they are playing with fire. Like I've said before this game is literally free to play and where fps games are king on consoles, the vast majority of ps3 players won't touch this game. I haven't found favorable reviews when I can find any at all. The most favorable are "It's got potential but CCP has pulled a Peter Molyneux, promised us the world and gave us a 9'x9' room.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 499	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:39:00 - [70] - Quote Im just concerned that everyone will spec into gallente scout, heavy, or assault, or the caldari scout/heavy as these will obviously be the next FoTM, and then realize that they require some modicum of skill, and complain that CCP mislead them, and demand another respec. Thats just my take. Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:48:00 - [71] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Im just concerned that everyone will spec into gallente scout, heavy, or assault, or the caldari scout/heavy as these will obviously be the next FoTM, and then realize that they require some modicum of skill, and complain that CCP mislead them, and demand another respec. Thats just my take. Yeah but the thing is the people who do follow the FoTM will be boned come next update as their is a long history of CCP nerfing the FoTM IE, the overpowered dominant strategy. It's been about 8 months since a respec, honestly I feel until CCP moves out of beta and keeps tweaking core mechanics, resets should come every now and then. Respecs should stop once the core is actually finished and the only thing they are working on is expanded gameplay. Tweaking of skill trees/suits, weapons, and vehicles falls under core mechanics. Most RPG online games even the f2p models give their playerbases respecs anytime they screw around with what people spent months to years grinding on.


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