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N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2004
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:42:00 -
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11 shots in the clip? Awesome as hell!
That will be super good. A really nice bonus for the mass driver.
Mass Driver user.
It could use a buff, but, high ground and you're set.
Proud member of RND
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
150
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:43:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:11 shots in the clip? Awesome as hell!
That will be super good. A really nice bonus for the mass driver.
Enjoy it while it lasts...AR babies will QQ it into oblivion.
Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
Love the Art of War
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Cyrius Li-Moody
3358
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:43:00 -
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It will only be good if you can live long enough to fire the 4th round. Currently it doesn't matter about the clipsize of the MD. Everything will kill you before you can empty the clip as of right now. A larger clip isn't going to make the weapon better. You also will only have 2 clips to work with in your entire pool.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Delta90212
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
228
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:44:00 -
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Haha thats not the only thing
Its gonna be a good time for minmatar assault suit users.
CR: 68 shots
ACR 85 shots
FLAY:8 shots
MD:11 shots
AMD:13 shots
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Kaughst
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
184
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:44:00 -
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Nothing is final.
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zibathy numbertwo
Nox Aeterna Security
458
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:45:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:11 shots in the clip? Awesome as hell!
That will be super good. A really nice bonus for the mass driver. Enjoy it while it lasts...AR babies will QQ it into oblivion.
Guess you havent played since AR 514. The AR doesnt exist anymore, stupid. They couldn't cry even if they cared.
AR
Dmg: 34,
RoF: 750 RPM,
DPS: 425,
RR
Dmg: 55,
RoF: 461 RPM,
DPS: 422,
+ double the range.
Balanced.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
3358
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:46:00 -
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Flaylock will still be a piece of garbage as a sidearm as well even though it will have a larger clip.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8959
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:46:00 -
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Its almost a 200% increase in magazine size, I think a ammo reserve or splash radius bonus would have been a safer bonus balance-wise.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4037
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:47:00 -
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I wonder what it will do to the Plasma Cannon.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
3358
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:48:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I wonder what it will do to the Plasma Cannon.
nothing. plasma cannon isn't explosive.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1347
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:50:00 -
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I'll definitely skill my tankalt into the minmatar assault unless caldari gets a bonus to swarm launchers.
"Always fight dirty, the victor writes history"
Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8960
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:50:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I wonder what it will do to the Plasma Cannon. nothing. plasma cannon isn't explosive.
Also it only effects Minmatar explosives anyway, plasma cannon is Gallente.
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4082
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:51:00 -
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zibathy numbertwo wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:11 shots in the clip? Awesome as hell!
That will be super good. A really nice bonus for the mass driver. Enjoy it while it lasts...AR babies will QQ it into oblivion. Guess you havent played since AR 514. The AR doesnt exist anymore, stupid. They couldn't cry even if they cared.
By AR he most likely meant the Rifle crowd.. Not the plasma rifle per say
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
2795
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:53:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:zibathy numbertwo wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:11 shots in the clip? Awesome as hell!
That will be super good. A really nice bonus for the mass driver. Enjoy it while it lasts...AR babies will QQ it into oblivion. Guess you havent played since AR 514. The AR doesnt exist anymore, stupid. They couldn't cry even if they cared. By AR he most likely meant the Rifle crowd.. Not the plasma rifle per say
You got unbanned!
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
73
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:01:00 -
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The minmatar bonus is the most stupid of the bunch!
It improves nade spam without helping the weapons weaknesses (low alpha damage). The Min Assault will be the suit of the coward roof spammer... ridiculous.
I'd rather give the suit a DIRECT Hit bonus for explosive Minmatar weapons. This would make the Flaylock decent again, and it would give skilled MD users a good alpha bonus to win those fights against the rifle users. but it wouldn't help the spamming crowd, since SPLASH damage would stay the same!
As it is right now, the only positive is the CR bonus, since that weapon desperately needed a clip buff!
Cheers
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
4885
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:04:00 -
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Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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Cyrius Li-Moody
3360
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:04:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
what about the flaylock sir?
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
9148
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:04:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
Interesting.
Splash radius is remaining the same?
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Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
MAG Raven
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1189
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:05:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
Stop farming likes!
Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
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Christiphoros von Poe
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
83
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:05:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
Wat
(1) "Exile" Assault Rifle reserved for: Fire of Prometheus
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
9148
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:06:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:
As it is right now, the only positive is the CR bonus, since that weapon desperately needed a clip buff!
Desperately needed a clip buff? That's the only thing standing between the CR and world domination. 
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MAG Raven
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3003
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:06:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
oh, really...
I may be dusting off my drivers.
// Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2036
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:07:00 -
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So uh, Mass Drivers are going to see use I guess.
Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II
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WUT ANG
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
87
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:10:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
Love it!!! The mass driver getting some TLC.
Swarm SP Refund Please!!!!!!!
"LONG LIVE DARK LEGION"
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1876
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:12:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
You are now offically my Favourite DEV, EVER
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8961
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:13:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 what about the flaylock sir?
Yes, flaylock needs it the most.
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
4891
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:13:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 You are now offically my Favourite DEV, EVER
Hey, I didn't make the change, you should send the love to CCP Remnant and CCP Wolfman.
CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
208
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:15:00 -
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Still is only going to be usable in bursts, not sustained battlefield presence. With hives being reduced, the assault wielder will easily suck one down after one clip. 2 hives average per MD user means you will have about 3 maybe 4 engagements until the weapon is mostly unusable. I personally believe based off the dps, every weapon should have enough ammo to kill the same amount of enemies before ammo is depleted. This would mean buffs to some ammo pools, nerfs to other. Id say 8-10 for light weapons, and half that for sidearms.
Sage /thread
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
73
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:15:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
Though I like more damage to the base MD's, I still think the increase in clip size is too much for the explosives.
Mind I'm using the MD a lot (exclusively until the CR came out) but I think the reload after 6-8 rounds gives the opponent room to breath and counter attac a MD user. If you take that out the MD will be op, and the new fit of the month.
I DON'T WANT THAT
As the most people in game, I think Grenades are fun, but spam is not.
I would prefer more direct damage, and leaving the splash as is to be honest. The best MD right now is the Breach. You have to aim, you can't spam it, the only thing needed for that one would be increased fire rate and an 8 round clip (but not more).
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Jakar Umbra
Altyr Initiative
510
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:16:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
I bow before the shrine of the LogiBro and raise my hands in praise.
Author of Umbra's Short Stories.
Reading General Discussions kills brain cells.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1117
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:16:00 -
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the sky is falling!
now seriously, this will only be on a minmatar suit and all minmatar suits have ~15% less EHP for ~7% speed advantage. those 7% speed advantage is marginal at best and a speed mod on any other suit evens it out but they will still have in total more EHP than the minmatar suit. |
Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
73
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:20:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:
As it is right now, the only positive is the CR bonus, since that weapon desperately needed a clip buff!
Desperately needed a clip buff? That's the only thing standing between the CR and world domination.
Well, since damage seems to get nerfed for all rifles, it won't be as bad would it?
Also on that note, can we rename the combat rifle to projectile rifle since all rifles should mimick their ammo/function in their name...?
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Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
347
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:27:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
This is good. *sniper rifle user sits in the corner tapping foot impatiently*.....any word on hit detection, distance rendering, scope variety and headshot bonus for us?
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
480
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:27:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
...This is a race to the bottom for the TTK issue.
The Mass Driver doesn't need a buff, the Rifles need a nerf! |
Deadly Goliath
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
43
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:30:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
Can you tell the damage increase for advanced and prototype as well, please?
Extermination is what i do.
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
2151
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:33:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 what about the flaylock sir?
it SHOULD get less damage larger splash, it's a side arm it doesn't have to kill but it needs to hit people :/ |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6258
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:34:00 -
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So..
Mass Driver buff.
Rifles nerf.
This ain't gonna be pretty.
/me prepares "Stop aim flinch from being hit from mass driver" threadnaughts
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
872
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:36:00 -
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so CCP nerfs the mass driver because of its splash dmg etc etc and the decides to re-buff it again? why nerf it in the first place if they were going to un-nerf it again?
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
688
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:37:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:So..
Mass Driver buff.
Rifles nerf.
This ain't gonna be pretty.
/me prepares "Stop aim flinch from being hit from mass driver" threadnaughts
Rifles still have AA. They will be ignored. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
3365
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:39:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:so CCP nerfs the mass driver because of its splash dmg etc etc and the decides to re-buff it again? why nerf it in the first place if they were going to un-nerf it again?
Maybe they realized balancing off of forum tears is a bad way to do things.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6261
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:42:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So..
Mass Driver buff.
Rifles nerf.
This ain't gonna be pretty.
/me prepares "Stop aim flinch from being hit from mass driver" threadnaughts Rifles still have AA. They will be ignored.
Actually, MD flinch effect moves your crosshair enough to disable aim assist.
It isn't nearly as powerful as the forums say it is.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
521
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:47:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
Any news on the plasma cannon?
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
688
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:51:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So..
Mass Driver buff.
Rifles nerf.
This ain't gonna be pretty.
/me prepares "Stop aim flinch from being hit from mass driver" threadnaughts Rifles still have AA. They will be ignored. Actually, MD flinch effect moves your crosshair enough to disable aim assist. It isn't nearly as powerful as the forums say it is.
AA isn't being disabled by the MD rounds, and MD DPS isn't enough for this to matter. Rifles will still melt before you get the clip off, even after because of low DPS compared to stacked proto suits.
In 1.8, one suit class will be virtually unaffected by the weapon, multiple others will have an advantage against the MD even with this damage buff. Honestly this buff is long overdue, otherwise there would be no reason to use the weapon in 1.8. |
MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
270
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:01:00 -
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While the mass driver clip size bonus is nice I'm really concerned about overall ammunition capacity for the mass driver, because if you've got 11 shots in clip and 18 total ammo... Well you're going to have some issues. Will the minmatar clip size bonuses also increase total ammo carried appropriately? |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
524
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:03:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:the sky is falling!
now seriously, this will only be on a minmatar suit and all minmatar suits have ~15% less EHP for ~7% speed advantage. those 7% speed advantage is marginal at best and a speed mod on any other suit evens it out but they will still have in total more EHP than the minmatar suit.
Speed mods are insanely harder to fit then armor plates.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
2153
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:10:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So..
Mass Driver buff.
Rifles nerf.
This ain't gonna be pretty.
/me prepares "Stop aim flinch from being hit from mass driver" threadnaughts Rifles still have AA. They will be ignored. Actually, MD flinch effect moves your crosshair enough to disable aim assist. It isn't nearly as powerful as the forums say it is.
That's becuase it was cut in half about a month after it was introduce, it's been toned down. |
Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
430
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:22:00 -
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I think everyone should be concerned with running out of ammo rather than rejoicing over larger clip sizes.
Like for instance the mass driver, I have always found 6 rounds in a clip to be a decent amount, but 18 rounds total is just pitiful and makes nanohives a necessity. Even 23 with ammo capacity skill maxed out isn't a ton. but adding 5 more on top of that gets is to 28, which is a pretty respectable number.
Of course, CCP does change it to ammo capacity, they should change the bonus to percentage based. 25% of 23 is still 5 rounds (for the vanilla mass driver) but 25% of 32 (the assault mass driver) is an additional 8 rounds of ammo, bringing it to 40 rounds carried.
Same deal with the flaylock, it will make it so you have at least a decent amount on hand between nano hives, but I think 8 rounds per clip of flaylock might be pushing it.
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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Chief-Shotty
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
113
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:26:00 -
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I would like to know what the base stats are for the Breach mass driver?
The BMD is what i would like to call the minmatar's AV weapon and with the ciip and direct damage buff i could see it taking out lav, tanks, and low flying dropships. However the base damage has to be in the 400-500 base direct (not splash) and given the range, travel time, arc etc.
Please respond and thanks.
We are also gonna need higher base ammo pool or boost MD capacity skill to 2-3 rounds per level
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Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1007
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:31:00 -
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I still think it would be better to increase the range with decreased damage. This game is very impractical when it comes to splash radius.
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Onesimus Tarsus
1122
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:34:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
Oooo, racing stripes?
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
74
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:36:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:I still think it would be better to increase the range with decreased damage. This game is very impractical when it comes to splash radius.
absolutely not!
MD should not be easy hit mode. The splash area is big enough on all MDs period. If you can't hit the broadside of a barn with it I suggest you learn how to aim! |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
695
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:06:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:
Also on that note, can we rename the combat rifle to projectile rifle since all rifles should mimick their ammo/function in their name...?
Why not call it the Bullet Hose?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Corporation
605
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:09:00 -
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Swarm Launcher (explosive) is affected by minmatar bonus?
8 round swarm launcher will be awesome!!!
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
74
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:10:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:
Also on that note, can we rename the combat rifle to projectile rifle since all rifles should mimick their ammo/function in their name...?
Why not call it the Bullet Hose?
Nah, that's already the nickname of the HMG... lol |
MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
270
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:12:00 -
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Corbina Ninja wrote:Swarm Launcher (explosive) is affected by minmatar bonus?
8 round swarm launcher will be awesome!!!
No, swarm is caldari. Plasma cannon is amarr. So combat rifle, smg, mass driver, flaylock and precision rifle (whenever that's out) |
Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
489
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:14:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 This is good. *sniper rifle user sits in the corner tapping foot impatiently*.....any word on hit detection, distance rendering, scope variety and headshot bonus for us?
nope. They just made the sniper role fore people who can't fight.
Who wants some?
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Corbina Ninja wrote:Swarm Launcher (explosive) is affected by minmatar bonus?
8 round swarm launcher will be awesome!!! No, swarm is caldari. Plasma cannon is amarr. So combat rifle, smg, mass driver, flaylock and precision rifle (whenever that's out)
Plasma cannon is gallente.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4491
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:21:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:11 shots in the clip? Awesome as hell!
That will be super good. A really nice bonus for the mass driver.
I am sorry, where did you get this info?
Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1858
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:31:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:11 shots in the clip? Awesome as hell!
That will be super good. A really nice bonus for the mass driver. I am sorry, where did you get this info?
One of the Devs said that the Minmatar assault bonus will be 5% projectile ammo per level and +1 shot to explosive weapons.
Armor and Shields are not the same!
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4496
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:33:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:11 shots in the clip? Awesome as hell!
That will be super good. A really nice bonus for the mass driver. I am sorry, where did you get this info? One of the Devs said that the Minmatar assault bonus will be 5% projectile ammo per level and +1 shot to explosive weapons.
Yeah.But He also said that AMarr Assault will keep its 25% Heat sink.
Right?
So everything is Good with the world.
F*- scouts
F/* heavies.
King Checkmate Proto Amarr Assault is coming.........
Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1882
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:38:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 You are now offically my Favourite DEV, EVER Hey, I didn't make the change, you should send the love to CCP Remnant and CCP Wolfman.
Oh ok, I'll leave some Honey lamb here then, not sure what Remnant takes as bait.
http://everydaygourmet.tv/recipes/3-moroccan-honey-lamb-ribs
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
423
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:22:00 -
[62] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
As an old Mass Driver user since Chromosome : NO.
This is WAY too powerful.
Mass driver were totally OP. You never fix it : Instead you've bring even more OP weapons.
Making the TTK so low that the game became unplayable.
You think you're gonna balance weapons giving them EVEN MORE POWER and reducing the TTK EVEN MORE ???
CCP : STOP BUFFING WEAPONNNNNNNS.
We need a balance between weapons it's true.
but we also need a balance between weapons and DROPSUITS.
My mass Driver is Maxed out : I already 3 shot any suit in the game once it's flux.
Here you're giving something that Instantkill everybody and can be spammed (11 shots...seriously ?).
a big NO.
We need a damn higher TTK.
If i wanted to play a fast FPS i would not play dust i would play BF or other.
Even BF4 grenade launchers deals less damage. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
251
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:26:00 -
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Delta90212 wrote:Haha thats not the only thing
Its gonna be a good time for minmatar assault suit users.
CR: 68 shots
ACR 85 shots
FLAY:8 shots
MD:11 shots
AMD:13 shots
SMG: 100 shots |
Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4826
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:31:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Chibi Andy wrote:so CCP nerfs the mass driver because of its splash dmg etc etc and the decides to re-buff it again? why nerf it in the first place if they were going to un-nerf it again?
Maybe they realized balancing off of forum tears is a bad way to do things.
Maybe they realized that balancing with temporary band-aids is better than letting it fester. Yanno, because not having aim assist was totally a good justification for balancing at the time. <--- Not sarcasm.
Useful Links
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Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1083
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:40:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
Please, for the love of all that is good and holy, tell me this is a mistake.
You better ******* be taking away the mass driver's skill bonus to spash radius or you'll just make this the most spammed weapon again.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
[email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
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Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1083
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:42:00 -
[66] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Chibi Andy wrote:so CCP nerfs the mass driver because of its splash dmg etc etc and the decides to re-buff it again? why nerf it in the first place if they were going to un-nerf it again?
Maybe they realized balancing off of forum tears is a bad way to do things. Maybe they realized that balancing with temporary band-aids is better than letting it fester. Yanno, because not having aim assist was totally a good justification for balancing at the time. <--- Not sarcasm.
"Hit detection isn't working? let's buff the damage and spalsh radius!"
"Hit detection improvements have cut TTK? That doesn't make sense."
Thanks CCP.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
[email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
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David Spd
Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:17:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:Still is only going to be usable in bursts, not sustained battlefield presence. With hives being reduced, the assault wielder will easily suck one down after one clip. 2 hives average per MD user means you will have about 3 maybe 4 engagements until the weapon is mostly unusable. I personally believe based off the dps, every weapon should have enough ammo to kill the same amount of enemies before ammo is depleted. This would mean buffs to some ammo pools, nerfs to other. Id say 8-10 for light weapons, and half that for sidearms.
I agree with your general logic. Neutral towards actual hard numbers.
--> I'm a closed beta vet; I just don't post often <--
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
690
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:27:00 -
[68] - Quote
Mordecai Sanguine wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 As an old Mass Driver user since Chromosome : NO. This is WAY too powerful. Mass driver were totally OP. You never fix it : Instead you've bring even more OP weapons.
Making the TTK so low that the game became unplayable.You think you're gonna balance weapons giving them EVEN MORE POWER and reducing the TTK EVEN MORE ??? CCP : STOP BUFFING WEAPONNNNNNNS. We need a balance between weapons it's true. but we also need a balance between weapons and DROPSUITS. My mass Driver is Maxed out : I already 3 shot any suit in the game once it's flux. Here you're giving something that Instantkill everybody and can be spammed (11 shots...seriously ?). a big NO. We need a damn higher TTK. If i wanted to play a fast FPS i would not play dust i would play BF or other. Even BF4 grenade launchers deals less damage.
Trololol. If you're in Flux Range, you're being melted by Rifle users in proto suits. Needing 2 weapons to do a worse job than a person with a Rifle doesn't scream OP at all. Please take into account the fact that multiple suits are getting a buff against the MD, one suit class will be virtually immune to the weapon, and the MD is already bad against proto suits. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
270
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:35:00 -
[69] - Quote
N1ck Comeau wrote:11 shots in the clip? Awesome as hell!
That will be super good. A really nice bonus for the mass driver.
pitty the MD is irreverent since it has 1/3 the DPS of rifles with out a guaranty to hit, any one in a pro suit just sprints through the explosions sticks their rifle in your chest and instadeads you.
it will be a pretty mean support weapon especially for flushing cover and room clearing. ohhh hhhmmmmm support assault????? well guess we will see even less of the minmatar assault next build. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
2180
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:04:00 -
[70] - Quote
this gonna be good. Hail to the n00b tube! The days of 16 people spamming that thing are about to return.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Scalesdini
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
314
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:25:00 -
[71] - Quote
So CCP still has not learned **** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR and MD, but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM **** again.
inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere.
wtb chromo back :( |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2004
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:28:00 -
[72] - Quote
Scalesdini wrote:So CCP still has not learned **** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR and MD, but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM **** again.
inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere.
wtb chromo back :(
what? Lr/Md everywhere? You make it sound like there making it like 400 splash damage.
No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding.
Proud member of RND
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Scalesdini
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
314
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:47:00 -
[73] - Quote
N1ck Comeau wrote:Scalesdini wrote:So CCP still has not learned **** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR and MD, but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM **** again.
inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere.
wtb chromo back :( what? Lr/Md everywhere? You make it sound like there making it like 400 splash damage.
They're nerfing everything else and then buffing LR and MD. You can go as far back as literally the last patch to see how well buffing UP stuff/nerfing OP stuff. Enjoying Tanks 514? I know I'm not. More than half the game used MD before AA came to town at its current stats, and it was OP then. Now it will be even more powerful, and one suit will be able to spam it for twice as long before reloading while another will get a 10% damage buff to it.
Yes, I'm worried, because I have played this game forever and know what's about to happen.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6271
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Posted - 2014.02.09 06:11:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So..
Mass Driver buff.
Rifles nerf.
This ain't gonna be pretty.
/me prepares "Stop aim flinch from being hit from mass driver" threadnaughts Rifles still have AA. They will be ignored. Actually, MD flinch effect moves your crosshair enough to disable aim assist. It isn't nearly as powerful as the forums say it is. AA isn't being disabled by the MD rounds, and MD DPS isn't enough for this to matter. Rifles will still melt before you get the clip off, even after because of low DPS compared to stacked proto suits. In 1.8, one suit class will be virtually unaffected by the weapon, multiple others will have an advantage against the MD even with this damage buff. Honestly this buff is long overdue, otherwise there would be no reason to use the weapon in 1.8.
Uh...
MD moves your aim.
So not only do you need splash damage to actually hit the person, you **** with their aim.
That's a crap mechanic and should not exist.
It only works right now because the MD is barely a killer.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
725
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Posted - 2014.02.09 06:22:00 -
[75] - Quote
Chief-Shotty wrote:I would like to know what the base stats are for the Breach mass driver?
The BMD is what i would like to call the minmatar's AV weapon and with the ciip and direct damage buff i could see it taking out lav, tanks, and low flying dropships. However the base damage has to be in the 400-500 base direct (not splash) and given the range, travel time, arc etc.
Please respond and thanks.
We are also gonna need higher base ammo pool or boost MD capacity skill to 2-3 rounds per level
Time to show these Amarrians explosive anger!
Time to rain down rounds of FREEDOM!
they will witness our resolve is BOUNDLESS!
Until you realize that they will be out of your range 
Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
4506
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Posted - 2014.02.09 06:32:00 -
[76] - Quote
MINA Longstrike wrote:Corbina Ninja wrote:Swarm Launcher (explosive) is affected by minmatar bonus?
8 round swarm launcher will be awesome!!! No, swarm is caldari. Plasma cannon is amarr. So combat rifle, smg, mass driver, flaylock and precision rifle (whenever that's out)
Plasma cannon is Amarr?
BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHA wtf you don't even know man. That'd better be a troll post. |
COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
159
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Posted - 2014.02.09 06:34:00 -
[77] - Quote
Tolen Rosas wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 This is good. *sniper rifle user sits in the corner tapping foot impatiently*.....any word on hit detection, distance rendering, scope variety and headshot bonus for us?
Carebear roles are due to be reworked in 1.9. 
Like the Matari assault bonus a lot. Heck, all of the Matari racial bonuses are cool.
Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
Love the Art of War
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straya fox
Sad Panda Solutions
195
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Posted - 2014.02.09 06:35:00 -
[78] - Quote
These Minmatar bonuses sound great, how do i strap this rusty crap over my styling Caldari suit to get the bonus? |
Omareth Nasadra
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
288
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Posted - 2014.02.09 06:36:00 -
[79] - Quote
The dark cloud wrote:this gonna be good. Hail to the n00b tube! The days of 16 people spamming that thing are about to return.
lol the AR/bullet hose crowd already qqing 
also note that the heavy's getting an hp buff and resistance, we still don't have the final numbers for logi and assault, this may be a MD buff to prevent them from becoming obsolete, time will tell... personaly i think a longer ttk would make them viable again without damage buff, i don't want them to be op, just ok... bring the muthafking smoke back while we're at it
Minmatar, In rust we trust!!!
Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
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Chief-Shotty
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
113
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Posted - 2014.02.09 07:15:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Chief-Shotty wrote:I would like to know what the base stats are for the Breach mass driver?
The BMD is what i would like to call the minmatar's AV weapon and with the ciip and direct damage buff i could see it taking out lav, tanks, and low flying dropships. However the base damage has to be in the 400-500 base direct (not splash) and given the range, travel time, arc etc.
Please respond and thanks.
We are also gonna need higher base ammo pool or boost MD capacity skill to 2-3 rounds per level
Time to show these Amarrians explosive anger!
Time to rain down rounds of FREEDOM!
they will witness our resolve is BOUNDLESS! Until you realize that they will be out of your range
Oh you wanna hide? OK, you just cornered yourself.
I'll come over to you.
If you think your gonna play a game of wack a minmatar with that scrambler of yours then be my guest. Don't burn yourself overheating that rifle. And you gotta reload sometime. Me and my buddies got ammo in these clips FOR WEEKS!!
We got logistics ready to roll right behind us with ammo and if you blink you'd miss us...and that would be a fatal mistake my friend......VERY FATAL!
Trust in the Rust!
7-Time Matar Mass Driver World Champion
Combat Rifle is for Combat!
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
2827
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Posted - 2014.02.09 07:17:00 -
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straya fox wrote:These Minmatar bonuses sound great, how do i strap this rusty crap over my styling Caldari suit to get the bonus?
Hint: It involves lots of Duct Tape
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
725
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Posted - 2014.02.09 07:36:00 -
[82] - Quote
1) and receive a charged shot/ScP straight to your head
2) good luck fending off a drove of AmSentinels , Assaults and Amcommandos with your puny eraser slingshot. Even if you kill them, they'll come back, faster than ever before, armed with new knowledge, murdering your kind in droves
3) No need to blink with the almighty Phallus Rifle!
Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
271
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Posted - 2014.02.09 07:39:00 -
[83] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Corbina Ninja wrote:Swarm Launcher (explosive) is affected by minmatar bonus?
8 round swarm launcher will be awesome!!! No, swarm is caldari. Plasma cannon is amarr. So combat rifle, smg, mass driver, flaylock and precision rifle (whenever that's out) Plasma cannon is Amarr? BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHA wtf you don't even know man. That'd better be a troll post.
Sorry I meant gallente, I've had about 2 hours sleep in the past 48 |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
692
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Posted - 2014.02.09 07:48:00 -
[84] - Quote
Cat Merc wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Cat Merc wrote:So..
Mass Driver buff.
Rifles nerf.
This ain't gonna be pretty.
/me prepares "Stop aim flinch from being hit from mass driver" threadnaughts Rifles still have AA. They will be ignored. Actually, MD flinch effect moves your crosshair enough to disable aim assist. It isn't nearly as powerful as the forums say it is. AA isn't being disabled by the MD rounds, and MD DPS isn't enough for this to matter. Rifles will still melt before you get the clip off, even after because of low DPS compared to stacked proto suits. In 1.8, one suit class will be virtually unaffected by the weapon, multiple others will have an advantage against the MD even with this damage buff. Honestly this buff is long overdue, otherwise there would be no reason to use the weapon in 1.8. Uh... MD moves your aim. So not only do you need splash damage to actually hit the person, you **** with their aim. That's a crap mechanic and should not exist. It only works right now because the MD is barely a killer.
And? Aim Assist will always keep your aim at least in the ballpark, and hit detection has been greatly improved since 1.4.
Heavies are immune to the weapon
Assaults and Commandos resist the weapon
Nanohive nerf makes it hard to keep the weapon resupplied
You can't tell me that the MD is worth using in 1.8 if it didn't get a buff combined with the above changes. If the MD doesn't provide the threat of actually being able to kill proto suits over time, then it fails at it's job as an area deny/breach tool. You act like the weapon is 2-shotting 1.8 Heavies, it will still have bad to outright terrible match-ups against dropsuit classes and maps.
Cosgar was right when he said the MD will be doing it's job when people complain about the weapon. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2807
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Posted - 2014.02.09 07:53:00 -
[85] - Quote
Have you been using the MD lately?
It will remain a niche secondary support weapon even with the minor buff.
The RoF is so slow that you would require a splash of over 250 to have a chance in a 1v1. It's still going to be used from behind the line or its user will die quickly.
I still plan on dumping it if we get a weapons respec. It's just not good enough to carry as a main weapon. |
MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
271
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Posted - 2014.02.09 08:15:00 -
[86] - Quote
Skihids wrote:Have you been using the MD lately?
It will remain a niche secondary support weapon even with the minor buff.
The RoF is so slow that you would require a splash of over 250 to have a chance in a 1v1. It's still going to be used from behind the line or its user will die quickly.
I still plan on dumping it if we get a weapons respec. It's just not good enough to carry as a main weapon.
I think the idea is that it will function as suppression / area denial and if you get into a head on fight with anyone you can always whip out a proto smg (yay fitting cost reductions!) with 100 rounds in its magazine and blast them to pieces with that.
Once again my only concern is that the mass driver total ammo carried needs to go up to say 36 base and +5% per ammo skill level. |
Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
429
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Posted - 2014.02.09 10:21:00 -
[87] - Quote
Justin Tymes wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 As an old Mass Driver user since Chromosome : NO. This is WAY too powerful. Mass driver were totally OP. You never fix it : Instead you've bring even more OP weapons.
Making the TTK so low that the game became unplayable.You think you're gonna balance weapons giving them EVEN MORE POWER and reducing the TTK EVEN MORE ??? CCP : STOP BUFFING WEAPONNNNNNNS. We need a balance between weapons it's true. but we also need a balance between weapons and DROPSUITS. My mass Driver is Maxed out : I already 3 shot any suit in the game once it's flux. Here you're giving something that Instantkill everybody and can be spammed (11 shots...seriously ?). a big NO. We need a damn higher TTK. If i wanted to play a fast FPS i would not play dust i would play BF or other. Even BF4 grenade launchers deals less damage. Trololol. If you're in Flux Range, you're being melted by Rifle users in proto suits. Needing 2 weapons to do a worse job than a person with a Rifle doesn't scream OP at all. Please take into account the fact that multiple suits are getting a buff against the MD, one suit class will be virtually immune to the weapon, and the MD is already bad against proto suits.
No i'm not melted at all i laugh at proto suits.
Anyone that know how to uses this weapon will become terribly a beast.
If you rush ennemies with it well you're stupid.
And your argument is damn invalid.
You compair it to rifles :
AGAIN AND FOR THE 200041111414 TIME RIFLES ARE GETTING NERFED.
WHY YOU COMPAIR TO THEM ????????
AND EVEN.
Actually the MD is totally OP against dropsuits it WAS NEVER FIXED.
I don't care about others weapons i care about the fact the TTK is too low.
I care about the fact with these numbers i acutally can OS 75% of suits with my Proficiency 5 and 1/2 enhanced damager.
I care about a weapon that can 250 damage in splash and can be spammed 11 time.
I care about a TTK so low that makes me play BF because it's the same but BF is technically better and because fitting in Dust has become USELESS.
You don't fix op weapons (MD) briging even more OP weapons. (rifles)
You can't fix these Op weapons (Rifles) and then buff the old OP weapons (MD)
This just DON'T WORK.
With this Logic in 3 months EVERY WEAPON CAN INSTANT KILL. |
McFurious
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
616
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Posted - 2014.02.09 11:21:00 -
[88] - Quote
I'm not sure about this whole thing yet. I really don't want MD to be FOTM again. However, I wonder if the fact that this bonus will only be for the weakest assault suit in the game is enough to balance it out. I like it on paper but it has the potential to go very badly in game.
The general direct/splash damage buff I like though. Keep that.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1884
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Posted - 2014.02.09 11:35:00 -
[89] - Quote
Scalesdini wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Scalesdini wrote:So CCP still has not learned **** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR and MD, but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM **** again.
inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere.
wtb chromo back :( what? Lr/Md everywhere? You make it sound like there making it like 400 splash damage. They're nerfing everything else and then buffing LR and MD. You can go as far back as literally the last patch to see how well buffing UP stuff/nerfing OP stuff. Enjoying Tanks 514? I know I'm not. More than half the game used MD before AA came to town at its current stats, and it was OP then. Now it will be even more powerful, and one suit will be able to spam it for twice as long before reloading while another will get a 10% damage buff to it. Yes, I'm worried, because I have played this game forever and know what's about to happen.
The reason the MD was so prelevant was because it was the first weapon with working hit detection. You could jump in the face of a rifle user and dance your way through his bullets. It disappeared after 1.4 hit because the rifles actually managed to consistently hit for the advertised DPS.
The MD still has nearly 3 times less DPS than the rifles.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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AmlSeb
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
24
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:04:00 -
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The new bonuses are quite good but this one would be better.
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:14:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 Can we not get the weapons' changes released already? Getting the changes piecemeal is nice that we're getting changes at all, yes, but seeing individual changes in a vacuum doesn't let us get the breadth of the changes. I mean, is it going to be MD 514 again? Will the AR be pushed more into obscurity with the buffs to CQC damage of the MD? Are there flaylock changes coming? Etc.
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:22:00 -
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Links or it didnt happen (puts on tinfoil hat)
The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:52:00 -
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McFurious wrote:I'm not sure about this whole thing yet. I really don't want MD to be FOTM again. However, I wonder if the fact that this bonus will only be for the weakest assault suit in the game is enough to balance it out. I like it on paper but it has the potential to go very badly in game.
The general direct/splash damage buff I like though. Keep that.
Not sure about that, remember when I used a Mass driver on Chromosome with a Logi vk.1? Remember all those bodies that I left on the floor?
Also, the new Direct/Splash damage is of a STD Mass Driver so it's like the old chromosome PRO stats with the 10% damage compensation from Uprising launch... new PRO stats will come with another 10% damage buff (159.5 dmg). Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to purchase a planet sized cemetery.
Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1!
LOL Plasma Cannon
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:03:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Scalesdini wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Scalesdini wrote:So CCP still has not learned **** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR and MD, but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM **** again.
inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere.
wtb chromo back :( what? Lr/Md everywhere? You make it sound like there making it like 400 splash damage. They're nerfing everything else and then buffing LR and MD. You can go as far back as literally the last patch to see how well buffing UP stuff/nerfing OP stuff. Enjoying Tanks 514? I know I'm not. More than half the game used MD before AA came to town at its current stats, and it was OP then. Now it will be even more powerful, and one suit will be able to spam it for twice as long before reloading while another will get a 10% damage buff to it. Yes, I'm worried, because I have played this game forever and know what's about to happen. The reason the MD was so prelevant was because it was the first weapon with working hit detection. You could jump in the face of a rifle user and dance your way through his bullets. It disappeared after 1.4 hit because the rifles actually managed to consistently hit for the advertised DPS. The MD still has nearly 3 times less DPS than the rifles.
Comparing DPS values of rifles and high alpha weapons like the MD is at least strange. The MD has other advantages than DPS the Direct damage is enough to OHK most cheaper scouts and if you fire into a crowd of people the DPS can be really high.
And one thing to consider is the abilitry to spam explosive weapons those should never be spammable. Grenade spam is already really bad but this will be even worse.
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.12 05:54:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:this gonna be good. Hail to the n00b tube! The days of 16 people spamming that thing are about to return.
what days are you remembering? I only remember days when I saw at most 3 per match and most of those were me and one other corp mate running two of them. not too mention I always loved fighting MDs either they got me in a bad situation where an AR would have killed me faster or I killed them.
On the other hand none of the other suit bonuses are really buffs so mim might be preatty common depending on what other rifles are getting nerfed this build. |
Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
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Posted - 2014.02.12 05:59:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:The dark cloud wrote:this gonna be good. Hail to the n00b tube! The days of 16 people spamming that thing are about to return. what days are you remembering? I only remember days when I saw at most 3 per match and most of those were me and one other corp mate running two of them. not too mention I always loved fighting MDs either they got me in a bad situation where an AR would have killed me faster or I killed them. On the other hand none of the other suit bonuses are really buffs so mim might be preatty common depending on what other rifles are getting nerfed this build.
He's talknig about THESE WEEKS.
When there was 10 Mass driver per game.
Spamming the whole game.
Nah seriously the purpose is to increase TTK.
NO WEAPONS should have a damage buff.
Nerf Rifles and SMG.
And the "buff" to underdog weapons must be something else than "damage" or "dps"
Don't forget MD was totally OP before rifles and was NEVER FIXED.
MD => Add more ammo capacity.
Laser Rifle => Change the range. an "optimal range" of 20 meters and a drop-off everywhere else at 10% damage is stupid.
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.02.12 10:08:00 -
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2xFREEDOM ASSAULT MD MINMATAR COMANDO with ammo F.T.G. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.12 10:10:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:hgghyujh wrote:The dark cloud wrote:this gonna be good. Hail to the n00b tube! The days of 16 people spamming that thing are about to return. what days are you remembering? I only remember days when I saw at most 3 per match and most of those were me and one other corp mate running two of them. not too mention I always loved fighting MDs either they got me in a bad situation where an AR would have killed me faster or I killed them. On the other hand none of the other suit bonuses are really buffs so mim might be preatty common depending on what other rifles are getting nerfed this build. He's talknig about THESE WEEKS. When there was 10 Mass driver per game. Spamming the whole game. Nah seriously the purpose is to increase TTK. NO WEAPONS should have a damage buff. Nerf Rifles and SMG. And the "buff" to underdog weapons must be something else than "damage" or "dps" Don't forget MD was totally OP before rifles and was NEVER FIXED. MD => Add more ammo capacity. Laser Rifle => Change the range. an "optimal range" of 20 meters and a drop-off everywhere else at 10% damage is stupid.
hmmm did squads start to realize how much MD scale when used in hoards or with a logi back man?? still if they are not syncing their shots you just run up to them and insta die them.
really MD were never OP, but ammo capacity would be good but again only with a rifle nerf, but I would rather see that applied by nerfing bullet mag thats what made rifles OP as a mother. |
Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:07:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Scalesdini wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Scalesdini wrote:So CCP still has not learned **** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM **** again.
inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere.
wtb chromo back :( what? Lr/Md everywhere? You make it sound like there making it like 400 splash damage. They're nerfing everything else and then buffing LR and MD. You can go as far back as literally the last patch to see how well buffing UP stuff/nerfing OP stuff. Enjoying Tanks 514? I know I'm not. More than half the game used MD before AA came to town at its current stats, and it was OP then. Now it will be even more powerful, and one suit will be able to spam it for twice as long before reloading while another will get a 10% damage buff to it. Yes, I'm worried, because I have played this game forever and know what's about to happen. The reason the MD was so prelevant was because it was the first weapon with working hit detection. You could jump in the face of a rifle user and dance your way through his bullets. It disappeared after 1.4 hit because the rifles actually managed to consistently hit for the advertised DPS. The MD still has nearly 3 times less DPS than the rifles. Comparing DPS values of rifles and high alpha weapons like the MD is at least strange. The MD has other advantages than DPS the Direct damage is enough to OHK most cheaper scouts and if you fire into a crowd of people the DPS can be really high. And one thing to consider is the abilitry to spam explosive weapons those should never be spammable. Grenade spam is already really bad but this will be even worse.
Yes it is strange but its the point, the MD is meant to be comparable as a Short Range Breaching weapons, it does not do that at the moment, because the TTK for the MD is SO High, yes the MD has other advantages because it's a niche weapon.
SPAM is a word thrown around a lot on here, it means to send the same message (often pointless) to many people, but I'll assume you mean the rapid overuse of explosives.
So I will ask you a series of questions.
Is 1 a Second really Spam?
Would you be suppressed if the ROF was less?
Would the Mass Driver be capable of its job, excludimg the breach, if the ROF was reduced.
The answer to all 3 is no.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:16:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145
I thought you were supposed to be reducing TTK? Combined with the rifle nerfs, these changes will guarantee a return to explosive spam. Don't you remember how much everybody hated that? |
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Ama Zarek
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.12 18:49:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8
Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 what about the flaylock sir?
Flaylock does indeed munch more salami than Elton John.
Can we please do something about the most useless skill points we have in anything atm and fix the flaylock to even a possible sidearm? |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1770
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:41:00 -
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McFurious wrote:I'm not sure about this whole thing yet. I really don't want MD to be FOTM again. However, I wonder if the fact that this bonus will only be for the weakest assault suit in the game is enough to balance it out. I like it on paper but it has the potential to go very badly in game.
The general direct/splash damage buff I like though. Keep that.
MD was never FOTM. Never.
During all of Dust's history, the AR has been the weapon of choice by a large factor - outnumbering the combined use of 10 weapons. Yes, those 10 weapons that AR users alone outnumbered included the MD.
Dust is still AR 514 it's just that we have a couple of more ARs. The TTK still reflects this. The game designers desperately need to realize that generalists weapons need to not exist in favor of strong niche weapons only.
Hitscan shooters are, by definition, weaksauce. |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:26:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever
inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere.
1. Plasma Cannon say what?
2. Racial bonuses. |
Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
611
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:45:00 -
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Now is the winter of our non-content.
Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14.
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