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Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 573	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:14:00 - [91] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8 Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 Can we not get the weapons' changes released already? Getting the changes piecemeal is nice that we're getting changes at all, yes, but seeing individual changes in a vacuum doesn't let us get the breadth of the changes. I mean, is it going to be MD 514 again? Will the AR be pushed more into obscurity with the buffs to CQC damage of the MD? Are there flaylock changes coming? Etc. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1524	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:22:00 - [92] - Quote Links or it didnt happen (puts on tinfoil hat) The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 979	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:52:00 - [93] - Quote McFurious wrote: I'm not sure about this whole thing yet. I really don't want MD to be FOTM again. However, I wonder if the fact that this bonus will only be for the weakest assault suit in the game is enough to balance it out. I like it on paper but it has the potential to go very badly in game. The general direct/splash damage buff I like though. Keep that. Not sure about that, remember when I used a Mass driver on Chromosome with a Logi vk.1? Remember all those bodies that I left on the floor? Also, the new Direct/Splash damage is of a STD Mass Driver so it's like the old chromosome PRO stats with the 10% damage compensation from Uprising launch... new PRO stats will come with another 10% damage buff (159.5 dmg). Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to purchase a planet sized cemetery. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Plasma Cannon
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 602	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:03:00 - [94] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Scalesdini wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Scalesdini wrote: So CCP still has not learned ** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR and MD, but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM again. inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere. wtb chromo back :( what? Lr/Md everywhere? You make it sound like there making it like 400 splash damage. They're nerfing everything else and then buffing LR and MD. You can go as far back as literally the last** patch to see how well buffing UP stuff/nerfing OP stuff. Enjoying Tanks 514? I know I'm not. More than half the game used MD before AA came to town at its current stats, and it was OP then. Now it will be even more powerful, and one suit will be able to spam it for twice as long before reloading while another will get a 10% damage buff to it. Yes, I'm worried, because I have played this game forever and know what's about to happen. The reason the MD was so prelevant was because it was the first weapon with working hit detection. You could jump in the face of a rifle user and dance your way through his bullets. It disappeared after 1.4 hit because the rifles actually managed to consistently hit for the advertised DPS. The MD still has nearly 3 times less DPS than the rifles. Comparing DPS values of rifles and high alpha weapons like the MD is at least strange. The MD has other advantages than DPS the Direct damage is enough to OHK most cheaper scouts and if you fire into a crowd of people the DPS can be really high. And one thing to consider is the abilitry to spam explosive weapons those should never be spammable. Grenade spam is already really bad but this will be even worse.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 278	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:54:00 - [95] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: this gonna be good. Hail to the n00b tube! The days of 16 people spamming that thing are about to return. what days are you remembering? I only remember days when I saw at most 3 per match and most of those were me and one other corp mate running two of them. not too mention I always loved fighting MDs either they got me in a bad situation where an AR would have killed me faster or I killed them. On the other hand none of the other suit bonuses are really buffs so mim might be preatty common depending on what other rifles are getting nerfed this build.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 445	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:59:00 - [96] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: The dark cloud wrote: this gonna be good. Hail to the n00b tube! The days of 16 people spamming that thing are about to return. what days are you remembering? I only remember days when I saw at most 3 per match and most of those were me and one other corp mate running two of them. not too mention I always loved fighting MDs either they got me in a bad situation where an AR would have killed me faster or I killed them. On the other hand none of the other suit bonuses are really buffs so mim might be preatty common depending on what other rifles are getting nerfed this build. He's talknig about THESE WEEKS. When there was 10 Mass driver per game. Spamming the whole game. Nah seriously the purpose is to increase TTK. NO WEAPONS should have a damage buff. Nerf Rifles and SMG. And the "buff" to underdog weapons must be something else than "damage" or "dps" Don't forget MD was totally OP before rifles and was NEVER FIXED. MD => Add more ammo capacity. Laser Rifle => Change the range. an "optimal range" of 20 meters and a drop-off everywhere else at 10% damage is stupid.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 364	Posted - 2014.02.12 10:08:00 - [97] - Quote 2xFREEDOM ASSAULT MD MINMATAR COMANDO with ammo F.T.G.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 281	Posted - 2014.02.12 10:10:00 - [98] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: hgghyujh wrote: The dark cloud wrote: this gonna be good. Hail to the n00b tube! The days of 16 people spamming that thing are about to return. what days are you remembering? I only remember days when I saw at most 3 per match and most of those were me and one other corp mate running two of them. not too mention I always loved fighting MDs either they got me in a bad situation where an AR would have killed me faster or I killed them. On the other hand none of the other suit bonuses are really buffs so mim might be preatty common depending on what other rifles are getting nerfed this build. He's talknig about THESE WEEKS. When there was 10 Mass driver per game. Spamming the whole game. Nah seriously the purpose is to increase TTK. NO WEAPONS should have a damage buff. Nerf Rifles and SMG. And the "buff" to underdog weapons must be something else than "damage" or "dps" Don't forget MD was totally OP before rifles and was NEVER FIXED. MD => Add more ammo capacity. Laser Rifle => Change the range. an "optimal range" of 20 meters and a drop-off everywhere else at 10% damage is stupid. hmmm did squads start to realize how much MD scale when used in hoards or with a logi back man?? still if they are not syncing their shots you just run up to them and insta die them. really MD were never OP, but ammo capacity would be good but again only with a rifle nerf, but I would rather see that applied by nerfing bullet mag thats what made rifles OP as a mother.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1930	Posted - 2014.02.12 13:07:00 - [99] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Scalesdini wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Scalesdini wrote: So CCP still has not learned ** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM again. inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere. wtb chromo back :( what? Lr/Md everywhere? You make it sound like there making it like 400 splash damage. They're nerfing everything else and then buffing LR and MD. You can go as far back as literally the last** patch to see how well buffing UP stuff/nerfing OP stuff. Enjoying Tanks 514? I know I'm not. More than half the game used MD before AA came to town at its current stats, and it was OP then. Now it will be even more powerful, and one suit will be able to spam it for twice as long before reloading while another will get a 10% damage buff to it. Yes, I'm worried, because I have played this game forever and know what's about to happen. The reason the MD was so prelevant was because it was the first weapon with working hit detection. You could jump in the face of a rifle user and dance your way through his bullets. It disappeared after 1.4 hit because the rifles actually managed to consistently hit for the advertised DPS. The MD still has nearly 3 times less DPS than the rifles. Comparing DPS values of rifles and high alpha weapons like the MD is at least strange. The MD has other advantages than DPS the Direct damage is enough to OHK most cheaper scouts and if you fire into a crowd of people the DPS can be really high. And one thing to consider is the abilitry to spam explosive weapons those should never be spammable. Grenade spam is already really bad but this will be even worse. Yes it is strange but its the point, the MD is meant to be comparable as a Short Range Breaching weapons, it does not do that at the moment, because the TTK for the MD is SO High, yes the MD has other advantages because it's a niche weapon. SPAM is a word thrown around a lot on here, it means to send the same message (often pointless) to many people, but I'll assume you mean the rapid overuse of explosives. So I will ask you a series of questions. Is 1 a Second really Spam? Would you be suppressed if the ROF was less? Would the Mass Driver be capable of its job, excludimg the breach, if the ROF was reduced. The answer to all 3 is no. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 652	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:16:00 - [100] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8 Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 I thought you were supposed to be reducing TTK? Combined with the rifle nerfs, these changes will guarantee a return to explosive spam. Don't you remember how much everybody hated that?

Ama Zarek BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:49:00 - [101] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8 Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 what about the flaylock sir? Flaylock does indeed munch more salami than Elton John. Can we please do something about the most useless skill points we have in anything atm and fix the flaylock to even a possible sidearm?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1770	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:41:00 - [102] - Quote McFurious wrote: I'm not sure about this whole thing yet. I really don't want MD to be FOTM again. However, I wonder if the fact that this bonus will only be for the weakest assault suit in the game is enough to balance it out. I like it on paper but it has the potential to go very badly in game. The general direct/splash damage buff I like though. Keep that. MD was never FOTM. Never. During all of Dust's history, the AR has been the weapon of choice by a large factor - outnumbering the combined use of 10 weapons. Yes, those 10 weapons that AR users alone outnumbered included the MD. Dust is still AR 514 it's just that we have a couple of more ARs. The TTK still reflects this. The game designers desperately need to realize that generalists weapons need to not exist in favor of strong niche weapons only. Hitscan shooters are, by definition, weaksauce.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 26	Posted - 2014.03.01 16:26:00 - [103] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere. 1. Plasma Cannon say what? 2. Racial bonuses.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 611	Posted - 2014.03.01 16:45:00 - [104] - Quote -mispost- Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14.


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