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Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1882	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:38:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8 Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 You are now offically my Favourite DEV, EVER Hey, I didn't make the change, you should send the love to CCP Remnant and CCP Wolfman. Oh ok, I'll leave some Honey lamb here then, not sure what Remnant takes as bait. http://everydaygourmet.tv/recipes/3-moroccan-honey-lamb-ribs Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 423	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:22:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8 Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 As an old Mass Driver user since Chromosome : NO. This is WAY too powerful. Mass driver were totally OP. You never fix it : Instead you've bring even more OP weapons. Making the TTK so low that the game became unplayable. You think you're gonna balance weapons giving them EVEN MORE POWER and reducing the TTK EVEN MORE ??? CCP : STOP BUFFING WEAPONNNNNNNS. We need a balance between weapons it's true. but we also need a balance between weapons and DROPSUITS. My mass Driver is Maxed out : I already 3 shot any suit in the game once it's flux. Here you're giving something that Instantkill everybody and can be spammed (11 shots...seriously ?). a big NO. We need a damn higher TTK. If i wanted to play a fast FPS i would not play dust i would play BF or other. Even BF4 grenade launchers deals less damage.
Toby Flenderson research lab 251	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:26:00 - [63] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: Haha thats not the only thing Its gonna be a good time for minmatar assault suit users. CR: 68 shots ACR 85 shots FLAY:8 shots MD:11 shots AMD:13 shots SMG: 100 shots
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4826	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:31:00 - [64] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: so CCP nerfs the mass driver because of its splash dmg etc etc and the decides to re-buff it again? why nerf it in the first place if they were going to un-nerf it again? Maybe they realized balancing off of forum tears is a bad way to do things. Maybe they realized that balancing with temporary band-aids is better than letting it fester. Yanno, because not having aim assist was totally a good justification for balancing at the time. <--- Not sarcasm. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1083	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:40:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8 Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 Please, for the love of all that is good and holy, tell me this is a mistake. You better ******* be taking away the mass driver's skill bonus to spash radius or you'll just make this the most spammed weapon again. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1083	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:42:00 - [66] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: so CCP nerfs the mass driver because of its splash dmg etc etc and the decides to re-buff it again? why nerf it in the first place if they were going to un-nerf it again? Maybe they realized balancing off of forum tears is a bad way to do things. Maybe they realized that balancing with temporary band-aids is better than letting it fester. Yanno, because not having aim assist was totally a good justification for balancing at the time. <--- Not sarcasm. "Hit detection isn't working? let's buff the damage and spalsh radius!" "Hit detection improvements have cut TTK? That doesn't make sense." Thanks CCP. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
David Spd Caldari State 124	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:17:00 - [67] - Quote Doshneil Antaro wrote: Still is only going to be usable in bursts, not sustained battlefield presence. With hives being reduced, the assault wielder will easily suck one down after one clip. 2 hives average per MD user means you will have about 3 maybe 4 engagements until the weapon is mostly unusable. I personally believe based off the dps, every weapon should have enough ammo to kill the same amount of enemies before ammo is depleted. This would mean buffs to some ammo pools, nerfs to other. Id say 8-10 for light weapons, and half that for sidearms. I agree with your general logic. Neutral towards actual hard numbers. --> I'm a closed beta vet; I just don't post often <-- "Other people just complicate my life." ~Solid Snake
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 690	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:27:00 - [68] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8 Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 As an old Mass Driver user since Chromosome : NO. This is WAY too powerful. Mass driver were totally OP. You never fix it : Instead you've bring even more OP weapons. Making the TTK so low that the game became unplayable. You think you're gonna balance weapons giving them EVEN MORE POWER and reducing the TTK EVEN MORE ??? CCP : STOP BUFFING WEAPONNNNNNNS. We need a balance between weapons it's true. but we also need a balance between weapons and DROPSUITS. My mass Driver is Maxed out : I already 3 shot any suit in the game once it's flux. Here you're giving something that Instantkill everybody and can be spammed (11 shots...seriously ?). a big NO. We need a damn higher TTK. If i wanted to play a fast FPS i would not play dust i would play BF or other. Even BF4 grenade launchers deals less damage. Trololol. If you're in Flux Range, you're being melted by Rifle users in proto suits. Needing 2 weapons to do a worse job than a person with a Rifle doesn't scream OP at all. Please take into account the fact that multiple suits are getting a buff against the MD, one suit class will be virtually immune to the weapon, and the MD is already bad against proto suits.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 270	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:35:00 - [69] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: 11 shots in the clip? Awesome as hell! That will be super good. A really nice bonus for the mass driver. pitty the MD is irreverent since it has 1/3 the DPS of rifles with out a guaranty to hit, any one in a pro suit just sprints through the explosions sticks their rifle in your chest and instadeads you. it will be a pretty mean support weapon especially for flushing cover and room clearing. ohhh hhhmmmmm support assault????? well guess we will see even less of the minmatar assault next build.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2180	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:04:00 - [70] - Quote this gonna be good. Hail to the n00b tube! The days of 16 people spamming that thing are about to return. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun

Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 314	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:25:00 - [71] - Quote So CCP still has not learned ** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR and MD, but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM ** again. inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere. wtb chromo back :(
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2004	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:28:00 - [72] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: So CCP still has not learned ** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR and MD, but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM again. inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere. wtb chromo back :( what? Lr/Md everywhere? You make it sound like there making it like 400 splash damage. No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding. Proud member of RND**
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 314	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:47:00 - [73] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Scalesdini wrote: So CCP still has not learned ** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR and MD, but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM again. inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere. wtb chromo back :( what? Lr/Md everywhere? You make it sound like there making it like 400 splash damage. They're nerfing everything else and then buffing LR and MD. You can go as far back as literally the last** patch to see how well buffing UP stuff/nerfing OP stuff. Enjoying Tanks 514? I know I'm not. More than half the game used MD before AA came to town at its current stats, and it was OP then. Now it will be even more powerful, and one suit will be able to spam it for twice as long before reloading while another will get a 10% damage buff to it. Yes, I'm worried, because I have played this game forever and know what's about to happen.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6271	Posted - 2014.02.09 06:11:00 - [74] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So.. Mass Driver buff. Rifles nerf. This ain't gonna be pretty. /me prepares "Stop aim flinch from being hit from mass driver" threadnaughts Rifles still have AA. They will be ignored. Actually, MD flinch effect moves your crosshair enough to disable aim assist. It isn't nearly as powerful as the forums say it is. AA isn't being disabled by the MD rounds, and MD DPS isn't enough for this to matter. Rifles will still melt before you get the clip off, even after because of low DPS compared to stacked proto suits. In 1.8, one suit class will be virtually unaffected by the weapon, multiple others will have an advantage against the MD even with this damage buff. Honestly this buff is long overdue, otherwise there would be no reason to use the weapon in 1.8. Uh... MD moves your aim. So not only do you need splash damage to actually hit the person, you **** with their aim. That's a crap mechanic and should not exist. It only works right now because the MD is barely a killer. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 725	Posted - 2014.02.09 06:22:00 - [75] - Quote Chief-Shotty wrote: I would like to know what the base stats are for the Breach mass driver? The BMD is what i would like to call the minmatar's AV weapon and with the ciip and direct damage buff i could see it taking out lav, tanks, and low flying dropships. However the base damage has to be in the 400-500 base direct (not splash) and given the range, travel time, arc etc. Please respond and thanks. We are also gonna need higher base ammo pool or boost MD capacity skill to 2-3 rounds per level Time to show these Amarrians explosive anger! Time to rain down rounds of FREEDOM! they will witness our resolve is BOUNDLESS! Until you realize that they will be out of your range Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 4506	Posted - 2014.02.09 06:32:00 - [76] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Corbina Ninja wrote: Swarm Launcher (explosive) is affected by minmatar bonus? 8 round swarm launcher will be awesome!!! No, swarm is caldari. Plasma cannon is amarr. So combat rifle, smg, mass driver, flaylock and precision rifle (whenever that's out) Plasma cannon is Amarr? BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHA wtf you don't even know man. That'd better be a troll post.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 159	Posted - 2014.02.09 06:34:00 - [77] - Quote Tolen Rosas wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8 Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 This is good. sniper rifle user sits in the corner tapping foot impatiently.....any word on hit detection, distance rendering, scope variety and headshot bonus for us? Carebear roles are due to be reworked in 1.9. Like the Matari assault bonus a lot. Heck, all of the Matari racial bonuses are cool. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 195	Posted - 2014.02.09 06:35:00 - [78] - Quote These Minmatar bonuses sound great, how do i strap this rusty crap over my styling Caldari suit to get the bonus?
Omareth Nasadra The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 288	Posted - 2014.02.09 06:36:00 - [79] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: this gonna be good. Hail to the n00b tube! The days of 16 people spamming that thing are about to return. lol the AR/bullet hose crowd already qqing also note that the heavy's getting an hp buff and resistance, we still don't have the final numbers for logi and assault, this may be a MD buff to prevent them from becoming obsolete, time will tell... personaly i think a longer ttk would make them viable again without damage buff, i don't want them to be op, just ok... bring the muthafking smoke back while we're at it Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 113	Posted - 2014.02.09 07:15:00 - [80] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Chief-Shotty wrote: I would like to know what the base stats are for the Breach mass driver? The BMD is what i would like to call the minmatar's AV weapon and with the ciip and direct damage buff i could see it taking out lav, tanks, and low flying dropships. However the base damage has to be in the 400-500 base direct (not splash) and given the range, travel time, arc etc. Please respond and thanks. We are also gonna need higher base ammo pool or boost MD capacity skill to 2-3 rounds per level Time to show these Amarrians explosive anger! Time to rain down rounds of FREEDOM! they will witness our resolve is BOUNDLESS! Until you realize that they will be out of your range Oh you wanna hide? OK, you just cornered yourself. I'll come over to you. If you think your gonna play a game of wack a minmatar with that scrambler of yours then be my guest. Don't burn yourself overheating that rifle. And you gotta reload sometime. Me and my buddies got ammo in these clips FOR WEEKS!! We got logistics ready to roll right behind us with ammo and if you blink you'd miss us...and that would be a fatal mistake my friend......VERY FATAL! Trust in the Rust! 7-Time Matar Mass Driver World Champion Combat Rifle is for Combat!

Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2827	Posted - 2014.02.09 07:17:00 - [81] - Quote straya fox wrote: These Minmatar bonuses sound great, how do i strap this rusty crap over my styling Caldari suit to get the bonus? Hint: It involves lots of Duct Tape Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 725	Posted - 2014.02.09 07:36:00 - [82] - Quote Chief-Shotty wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: Chief-Shotty wrote: I would like to know what the base stats are for the Breach mass driver? The BMD is what i would like to call the minmatar's AV weapon and with the ciip and direct damage buff i could see it taking out lav, tanks, and low flying dropships. However the base damage has to be in the 400-500 base direct (not splash) and given the range, travel time, arc etc. Please respond and thanks. We are also gonna need higher base ammo pool or boost MD capacity skill to 2-3 rounds per level Time to show these Amarrians explosive anger! Time to rain down rounds of FREEDOM! they will witness our resolve is BOUNDLESS! Until you realize that they will be out of your range Oh you wanna hide? OK, you just cornered yourself. I'll come over to you. If you think your gonna play a game of wack a minmatar with that scrambler of yours then be my guest. Don't burn yourself overheating that rifle. And you gotta reload sometime. Me and my buddies got ammo in these clips FOR WEEKS!! We got logistics ready to roll right behind us with ammo and if you blink you'd miss us...and that would be a fatal mistake my friend......VERY FATAL! 1) and receive a charged shot/ScP straight to your head 2) good luck fending off a drove of AmSentinels , Assaults and Amcommandos with your puny eraser slingshot. Even if you kill them, they'll come back, faster than ever before, armed with new knowledge, murdering your kind in droves 3) No need to blink with the almighty Phallus Rifle! Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 271	Posted - 2014.02.09 07:39:00 - [83] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Corbina Ninja wrote: Swarm Launcher (explosive) is affected by minmatar bonus? 8 round swarm launcher will be awesome!!! No, swarm is caldari. Plasma cannon is amarr. So combat rifle, smg, mass driver, flaylock and precision rifle (whenever that's out) Plasma cannon is Amarr? BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHA wtf you don't even know man. That'd better be a troll post. Sorry I meant gallente, I've had about 2 hours sleep in the past 48
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 692	Posted - 2014.02.09 07:48:00 - [84] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So.. Mass Driver buff. Rifles nerf. This ain't gonna be pretty. /me prepares "Stop aim flinch from being hit from mass driver" threadnaughts Rifles still have AA. They will be ignored. Actually, MD flinch effect moves your crosshair enough to disable aim assist. It isn't nearly as powerful as the forums say it is. AA isn't being disabled by the MD rounds, and MD DPS isn't enough for this to matter. Rifles will still melt before you get the clip off, even after because of low DPS compared to stacked proto suits. In 1.8, one suit class will be virtually unaffected by the weapon, multiple others will have an advantage against the MD even with this damage buff. Honestly this buff is long overdue, otherwise there would be no reason to use the weapon in 1.8. Uh... MD moves your aim. So not only do you need splash damage to actually hit the person, you **** with their aim. That's a crap mechanic and should not exist. It only works right now because the MD is barely a killer. And? Aim Assist will always keep your aim at least in the ballpark, and hit detection has been greatly improved since 1.4. Heavies are immune to the weapon Assaults and Commandos resist the weapon Nanohive nerf makes it hard to keep the weapon resupplied You can't tell me that the MD is worth using in 1.8 if it didn't get a buff combined with the above changes. If the MD doesn't provide the threat of actually being able to kill proto suits over time, then it fails at it's job as an area deny/breach tool. You act like the weapon is 2-shotting 1.8 Heavies, it will still have bad to outright terrible match-ups against dropsuit classes and maps. Cosgar was right when he said the MD will be doing it's job when people complain about the weapon.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2807	Posted - 2014.02.09 07:53:00 - [85] - Quote Have you been using the MD lately? It will remain a niche secondary support weapon even with the minor buff. The RoF is so slow that you would require a splash of over 250 to have a chance in a 1v1. It's still going to be used from behind the line or its user will die quickly. I still plan on dumping it if we get a weapons respec. It's just not good enough to carry as a main weapon.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 271	Posted - 2014.02.09 08:15:00 - [86] - Quote Skihids wrote: Have you been using the MD lately? It will remain a niche secondary support weapon even with the minor buff. The RoF is so slow that you would require a splash of over 250 to have a chance in a 1v1. It's still going to be used from behind the line or its user will die quickly. I still plan on dumping it if we get a weapons respec. It's just not good enough to carry as a main weapon. I think the idea is that it will function as suppression / area denial and if you get into a head on fight with anyone you can always whip out a proto smg (yay fitting cost reductions!) with 100 rounds in its magazine and blast them to pieces with that. Once again my only concern is that the mass driver total ammo carried needs to go up to say 36 base and +5% per ammo skill level.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 429	Posted - 2014.02.09 10:21:00 - [87] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Well, that's not the only thing the Mass Driver is getting in 1.8 Increased base direct/splash damage from 242/116 to 300/145 As an old Mass Driver user since Chromosome : NO. This is WAY too powerful. Mass driver were totally OP. You never fix it : Instead you've bring even more OP weapons. Making the TTK so low that the game became unplayable. You think you're gonna balance weapons giving them EVEN MORE POWER and reducing the TTK EVEN MORE ??? CCP : STOP BUFFING WEAPONNNNNNNS. We need a balance between weapons it's true. but we also need a balance between weapons and DROPSUITS. My mass Driver is Maxed out : I already 3 shot any suit in the game once it's flux. Here you're giving something that Instantkill everybody and can be spammed (11 shots...seriously ?). a big NO. We need a damn higher TTK. If i wanted to play a fast FPS i would not play dust i would play BF or other. Even BF4 grenade launchers deals less damage. Trololol. If you're in Flux Range, you're being melted by Rifle users in proto suits. Needing 2 weapons to do a worse job than a person with a Rifle doesn't scream OP at all. Please take into account the fact that multiple suits are getting a buff against the MD, one suit class will be virtually immune to the weapon, and the MD is already bad against proto suits. No i'm not melted at all i laugh at proto suits. Anyone that know how to uses this weapon will become terribly a beast. If you rush ennemies with it well you're stupid. And your argument is damn invalid. You compair it to rifles : AGAIN AND FOR THE 200041111414 TIME RIFLES ARE GETTING NERFED. WHY YOU COMPAIR TO THEM ???????? AND EVEN. Actually the MD is totally OP against dropsuits it WAS NEVER FIXED. I don't care about others weapons i care about the fact the TTK is too low. I care about the fact with these numbers i acutally can OS 75% of suits with my Proficiency 5 and 1/2 enhanced damager. I care about a weapon that can 250 damage in splash and can be spammed 11 time. I care about a TTK so low that makes me play BF because it's the same but BF is technically better and because fitting in Dust has become USELESS. You don't fix op weapons (MD) briging even more OP weapons. (rifles) You can't fix these Op weapons (Rifles) and then buff the old OP weapons (MD) This just DON'T WORK. With this Logic in 3 months EVERY WEAPON CAN INSTANT KILL.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 616	Posted - 2014.02.09 11:21:00 - [88] - Quote I'm not sure about this whole thing yet. I really don't want MD to be FOTM again. However, I wonder if the fact that this bonus will only be for the weakest assault suit in the game is enough to balance it out. I like it on paper but it has the potential to go very badly in game. The general direct/splash damage buff I like though. Keep that. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1884	Posted - 2014.02.09 11:35:00 - [89] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Scalesdini wrote: So CCP still has not learned ** from their sledgehammer balance passes, most recently tanks and AV. Now we're nerfing everything but LR and MD, but then buffing those. Throw in sidearms that will be hilariously OP for at least a month (because CCP is incapable of making anything balanced when it first launches, see: every new weapon ever), and the game will be unplayable for anyone not using FOTM again. inb4 commandos with LR/MD everywhere. wtb chromo back :( what? Lr/Md everywhere? You make it sound like there making it like 400 splash damage. They're nerfing everything else and then buffing LR and MD. You can go as far back as literally the last** patch to see how well buffing UP stuff/nerfing OP stuff. Enjoying Tanks 514? I know I'm not. More than half the game used MD before AA came to town at its current stats, and it was OP then. Now it will be even more powerful, and one suit will be able to spam it for twice as long before reloading while another will get a 10% damage buff to it. Yes, I'm worried, because I have played this game forever and know what's about to happen. The reason the MD was so prelevant was because it was the first weapon with working hit detection. You could jump in the face of a rifle user and dance your way through his bullets. It disappeared after 1.4 hit because the rifles actually managed to consistently hit for the advertised DPS. The MD still has nearly 3 times less DPS than the rifles. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
AmlSeb The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 24	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:04:00 - [90] - Quote The new bonuses are quite good but this one would be better. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1821779



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