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Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 3203	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:21:00 - [1] - Quote I'm getting real sick and tired of people coming on these forums and accusing SCR users of being modded controller users. It's really starting to come across as an excuse and general butt hurt by the lesser skilled DUST population. Not all SCR users use modded controllers - personally I see no need for it. If you got killed by a SCR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some plates on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a SCR user's wet dream 3) You're in a shield tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The SCR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled Sorry to burst your bubble, but some players are just more skilled with it than others; if you die to one before you even know what is going on, don't immediately label them as a "modded controller user," maybe they have just been using it since 5.14.13 and is their bread and butter. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6766	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:23:00 - [2] - Quote I just find it wonderful when people send me hate mail, Get Goods, or X message having used a Rail Rifle or Combat Rifle. Combat Rifle has essentially no recoil for its massive RoF RR has AR equivalent DPS out to about 90+m Both with great optics.... How could you not do well with those guns? "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 410	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:25:00 - [3] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm getting real sick and tired of people coming on these forums and accusing SCR users of being modded controller users. It's really starting to come across as an excuse and general butt hurt by the lesser skilled DUST population. Not all SCR users use modded controllers - personally I see no need for it. If you got killed by a SCR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some plates on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a SCR user's wet dream 3) You're in a shield tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The SCR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled Sorry to burst your bubble, but some players are just more skilled with it than others; if you die to one before you even know what is going on, don't immediately label them as a "modded controller user," maybe they have just been using it since 5.14.13 and is their bread and butter. Plus a modded ScR will overheat/stop firing in about a second, meaning if he/she misses a couple of times he/she is now helpless for 5-6 seconds. Also, a CR would be more deadly with a properly modded controller, it does a full 25% more damage per trigger pull, can fire for 3 seconds straight, and doesn't overheat. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 694	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:29:00 - [4] - Quote My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6767	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:31:00 - [5] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. Really.....as I see it the massive disparity between sprint speed, Minmatar capacity for gank, and CR being outright top dog out to 60m....... I don't ever see why the Minmatar players would ever have a reason to *****. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
AddictPunk Nyain San Renegade Alliance 11	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:35:00 - [6] - Quote I'm the one that uses Carthum + 3 damage mods complex & prof lvl 5?
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 3203	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:35:00 - [7] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. If I have 1100 eHP on an Advanced Amarr suit there's a problem that CCP needs to look into because I'd be a hacker. If I have 1100 eHP on an Amarr Proto Assault a.k0, there is also a problem so I'm gonna go ahead and stop you from spreading that BS right now. Usually when a SCR user is snuck up on by a NK, CR, or Shotgun user, the SCR user won't take the time to charge a shot, but simply spam in the general direction of the threat - if he/she takes out the NK, CR, or Shotgun user, then by all means that poor sap sucks complete ass at the game. Supreme Tank AND Gank is rewarded to the Gallente as well there chief. Once again - excuses and butt hurt. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 108	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:37:00 - [8] - Quote Yes per trigger cr does more but not dps wise, also im pretty sure heat build up is per second not per shot, and lol skilled there were hardly any SCR users before auto aim and the few that did use it were meh. Just to show I have no bias in this Prof 4 SCR, prof 2 Duvolle, prof 3 rail, prof 3 CR. Do I think it's OP... Only on the Amarr assualt which is how it should be but Im almost certain many people use modded controllers. Look at the old duvolle tac its rof got reduced and surprise everyone stops using it.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3098	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:37:00 - [9] - Quote LOL yea Aisha...stop it in its track!! Don't let them what they did to my beloved like they will do to yours. I'm so upset right now. I just can't believe it. Thanks to the dummies who continually try their hardest to turn this game into a cream puff. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6767	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:38:00 - [10] - Quote AddictPunk wrote: I'm the one that uses Carthum + 3 damage mods complex & prof lvl 5? You corp is the closest thing this game has to pirates. I am not wholly unsurprised. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 3203	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:41:00 - [11] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Yes per trigger cr does more but not dps wise, also im pretty sure heat build up is per second not per shot, and lol skilled there were hardly any SCR users before auto aim and the few that did use it were meh. Just to show I have no bias in this Prof 4 SCR, prof 2 Duvolle, prof 3 rail, prof 3 CR. Do I think it's OP... Only on the Amarr assualt which is how it should be but Im almost certain many people use modded controllers. Look at the old duvolle tac its rof got reduced and surprise everyone stops using it. The reason that no one uses the TAC AR anymore is not that it got a ROF nerf, it is the fact it got a magazine nerf as well. Eighteen rounds isn't really much to go on. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2171	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:41:00 - [12] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. If I have 1100 eHP on an Advanced Amarr suit there's a problem that CCP needs to look into because I'd be a hacker. If I have 1100 eHP on an Amarr Proto Assault a.k0, there is also a problem so I'm gonna go ahead and stop you from spreading that BS right now. Usually when a SCR user is snuck up on by a NK, CR, or Shotgun user, the SCR user won't take the time to charge a shot, but simply spam in the general direction of the threat - if he/she takes out the NK, CR, or Shotgun user, then by all means that poor sap sucks complete ass at the game. Supreme Tank AND Gank is rewarded to the Gallente as well there chief. Once again - excuses and butt hurt. The Gallente Logi, yes. The Gallente Assault, no. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3374	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:42:00 - [13] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm getting real sick and tired of people coming on these forums and accusing SCR users of being modded controller users. It's really starting to come across as an excuse and general butt hurt by the lesser skilled DUST population. Not all SCR users use modded controllers - personally I see no need for it. If you got killed by a SCR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some plates on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a SCR user's wet dream 3) You're in a shield tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The SCR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled Sorry to burst your bubble, but some players are just more skilled with it than others; if you die to one before you even know what is going on, don't immediately label them as a "modded controller user," maybe they have just been using it since 5.14.13 and is their bread and butter. I doubt most Scrambler users have a modded controller, but I think people suspect it because it was pointed out on the forums exactly how you could use a modded controller with one. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Cyrius Li-Moody 3325	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:42:00 - [14] - Quote Ganking a nova knifer or shotgun while they have the jump on you isn't exactly hard with a scrambler rifle. Come on now. Most scout suits are around 300 hp. You deal that with a headshot and a body blow before any of those weapons can kill you. Hit detection is god awful for both of those weapons. As for the minnie assault. Come on. A min assault is not beating a scrambler rifle EVER in close quarters if that scrambler rifle user isn't an idiot. It'll only be a halfway decent fight if the minmatar assault gets the jump on the scrambler rifle while he's out in the open. edit: words are hard. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9093	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:42:00 - [15] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. 1100 HP? 1700 damage alpha? These figures are incorrect. Unless you are talking about a Gallogi or Heavy, you cannot get 1100 HP. And if you tank either of those heavily enough to get that much HP you are not dealing 1700 damage alpha. Hell, with triple damage mods prof 5 does not do 1700 alpha. That is not 'instantly'. Cody Sietz wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. If I have 1100 eHP on an Advanced Amarr suit there's a problem that CCP needs to look into because I'd be a hacker. If I have 1100 eHP on an Amarr Proto Assault a.k0, there is also a problem so I'm gonna go ahead and stop you from spreading that BS right now. Usually when a SCR user is snuck up on by a NK, CR, or Shotgun user, the SCR user won't take the time to charge a shot, but simply spam in the general direction of the threat - if he/she takes out the NK, CR, or Shotgun user, then by all means that poor sap sucks complete ass at the game. Supreme Tank AND Gank is rewarded to the Gallente as well there chief. Once again - excuses and butt hurt. The Gallente Logi, yes. The Gallente Assault, no. This. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 59	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:44:00 - [16] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. But that same fact leads to a high heatup. Your best amarr knows when to charge his shots and when to rapid fire. Sora's the name. Gallente is my game. Yup! Gallente Specialist Here :) Chromosome Veteran *Subsonic.*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6767	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:50:00 - [17] - Quote Soldier Sorajord wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. But that same fact leads to a high heatup. Your best amarr knows when to charge his shots and when to rapid fire. Even then we cannot reach the insane alpha this guy is trying to say we can..... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1873	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:51:00 - [18] - Quote Are that many people really using modded controllers? I doubt it. I will tell you however what is really happening, ScR users are holding the charge, while some spams scanners. This is why the Scanner functions need an overhaul. This is why the ScR needs a penalty for holding the chare for longer than 10secs. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Cyrius Li-Moody 3326	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:53:00 - [19] - Quote I've been hit with a burst for over 1900 damage by a viziam in a split second. The game doesn't exactly calculate damage correctly most of the time. Most of the time viziams will burst you down ~1200 though. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 3204	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:55:00 - [20] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Are that many people really using modded controllers? I doubt it. I will tell you however what is really happening, ScR users are holding the charge, while some spams scanners. This is why the Scanner functions need an overhaul. This is why the ScR needs a penalty for holding the chare for longer than 10secs. I won't lie - I am guilty of holding the charge, hell, I'll wait and walking around corners still holding a charge, but I wasn't aware of the scanner thing because I usually run solo. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=

Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 413	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:55:00 - [21] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. #1 you assume a modded controller. If you do some goolge searching, you will find average clicks-per-second at 5.0-6.0, meaning that the ScR is doing 430 DPS at standard for the non-cheaters. If you also use this trigger speed for the CR, you will notice that it does 576 DPS. The difference beyond the OVERWHELMING DPS ADVANTAGE the CR has for non-cheaters? The CR will not overheat... period. The ScR will overheat in under 3 seconds, and you will be defenseless for another 5-6 seconds afterwards. So to recap: Unless you use a turbo controller CR > ScR DPS CR > ScR skill required CR > ScR overheat CR > ScR sustained DPS (more than double) CR > ScR fitting requirements ScR > CR charged shot ScR > CR range. Yeah that looks just a bit one sided. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1314	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:57:00 - [22] - Quote I want to add to the list. It's also possible that you are being team fired upon. It's also possible that network related lag isn't allowing the game to tell you that you are being shot at. By the time the game tells you that you are taking damage, you are already 90% dead. These near instant kills aren't exclusive to the SCR. I've been killed faster than I can do a 180 degree turn (I have the sensitivity maxed), while strafing, in a 700+ hp suit, by a militia assault rifle user who just got his first kill after dying 17 times in a row. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1873	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:01:00 - [23] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Are that many people really using modded controllers? I doubt it. I will tell you however what is really happening, ScR users are holding the charge, while some spams scanners. This is why the Scanner functions need an overhaul. This is why the ScR needs a penalty for holding the chare for longer than 10secs. I won't lie - I am guilty of holding the charge, hell, I'll wait and walking around corners still holding a charge, but I wasn't aware of the scanner thing because I usually run solo. Is frequent among wolfpacks. One spams scanners, while the rest hold a charge, you walk round a corner and dead, no matter the suit you wear. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2519	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:01:00 - [24] - Quote Where was this thread when people were bitching about the TAC rifle You can bomb it, you can strafe it, you can cover it with poison, you can turn it into glass, but you don't own it unles
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1273	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:09:00 - [25] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Yes per trigger cr does more but not dps wise, also im pretty sure heat build up is per second not per shot, and lol skilled there were hardly any SCR users before auto aim and the few that did use it were meh. Just to show I have no bias in this Prof 4 SCR, prof 2 Duvolle, prof 3 rail, prof 3 CR. Do I think it's OP... Only on the Amarr assualt which is how it should be but Im almost certain many people use modded controllers. Look at the old duvolle tac its rof got reduced and surprise everyone stops using it. 1. Again, to accuse people that run it with the Amarr assault bonus as you "being certain many people use modded controllers" is a false statement, an accusation that you CANNOT prove, and a slap in the face to any SCR user worth their salt who have been in it since day 1. Ignorance at its finest. 2. There are less skilled SCR users than before, with the emergence of the CR and the RR. Fact. Just take a look at the killfeeds next time you are in game. 3. People didn't stop using the TAC because of ROF nerf. They did so because of the horrendous nerf to that weapon's recoil. I know...I used the TAC exclusively up until it happened, even through the dominance of the Creodron breach AR in Mordu's Private Trials. I love my semi-auto weapons. 4. Heat build up is technically per shot with continuous fire, be it fast or slow. If you keep firing without a pause in between, you WILL pop. For someone who has skils invested in each, man...you have no idea what you are talking about in regard to the SCR. Best to either stay quiet or you know, actually TEST your theory before jumping on here with an opinion. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 330	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:21:00 - [26] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: 3. People didn't stop using the TAC because of ROF nerf. They did so because of the horrendous nerf to that weapon's recoil. I know...I used the TAC exclusively up until it happened, even through the dominance of the Creodron breach AR in Mordu's Private Trials. I love my semi-auto weapons. I didn't start using the TAC until after it got nerfed and the recoil and hip fire made me cry. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 108	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:23:00 - [27] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: Yes per trigger cr does more but not dps wise, also im pretty sure heat build up is per second not per shot, and lol skilled there were hardly any SCR users before auto aim and the few that did use it were meh. Just to show I have no bias in this Prof 4 SCR, prof 2 Duvolle, prof 3 rail, prof 3 CR. Do I think it's OP... Only on the Amarr assualt which is how it should be but Im almost certain many people use modded controllers. Look at the old duvolle tac its rof got reduced and surprise everyone stops using it. The reason that no one uses the TAC AR anymore is not that it got a ROF nerf, it is the fact it got a magazine nerf as well. Eighteen rounds isn't really much to go on. Buff that rof to the way it used to be, it will have similar dps as scrambler with no overheat I'd use it and I suspect so would the community.
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1273	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:24:00 - [28] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: 3. People didn't stop using the TAC because of ROF nerf. They did so because of the horrendous nerf to that weapon's recoil. I know...I used the TAC exclusively up until it happened, even through the dominance of the Creodron breach AR in Mordu's Private Trials. I love my semi-auto weapons. I didn't start using the TAC until after it got nerfed and the recoil and hip fire made me cry. I am so sorry about that, bud. No one told you it was awful? No warning at all? Yeah, I had to put it down after they over-nerfed that recoil. I like precision weapons and the TAC turned into the furthest thing from one. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, I swear. It made me sad/bitter. Lol. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 414	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:24:00 - [29] - Quote You know Lynn: I know for some reason you are super anti-amarr and all but why are you looking at the problem of modded controllers and thinking, "Nerf amarr?" If you were to say suggest to cap the RoF for all single shot weapons at say 400 RPM (6.666 rounds per second) I could get on board. The reasoning behind this would be apparent: Nerf any advantage turbo controllers get from weapon RoF. But no, you hate amarr (which no one thinks is overpowered) sooo much that you instantly jump to "nerf amarr." While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 330	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:28:00 - [30] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: 3. People didn't stop using the TAC because of ROF nerf. They did so because of the horrendous nerf to that weapon's recoil. I know...I used the TAC exclusively up until it happened, even through the dominance of the Creodron breach AR in Mordu's Private Trials. I love my semi-auto weapons. I didn't start using the TAC until after it got nerfed and the recoil and hip fire made me cry. I am so sorry about that, bud. No one told you it was awful? No warning at all? Yeah, I had to put it down after they over-nerfed that recoil. I like precision weapons and the TAC turned into the furthest thing from one. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, I swear. It made me sad/bitter. Lol. Oh, I knew it was nerfed. Unforchantly CCP's infamous nerfing track record was not known to me at the time. I figured "it couldn't be that bad." .......it was that bad. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--

Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1275	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:30:00 - [31] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: 3. People didn't stop using the TAC because of ROF nerf. They did so because of the horrendous nerf to that weapon's recoil. I know...I used the TAC exclusively up until it happened, even through the dominance of the Creodron breach AR in Mordu's Private Trials. I love my semi-auto weapons. I didn't start using the TAC until after it got nerfed and the recoil and hip fire made me cry. I am so sorry about that, bud. No one told you it was awful? No warning at all? Yeah, I had to put it down after they over-nerfed that recoil. I like precision weapons and the TAC turned into the furthest thing from one. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, I swear. It made me sad/bitter. Lol. Oh, I knew it was nerfed. Unforchantly CCP's infamous nerfing track record was not known to me at the time. I figured "it couldn't be that bad." .......it was that bad. What happened to the "captain" in your name? I miss that name! Lol! PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 331	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:46:00 - [32] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: What happened to the "captain" in your name? I miss that name! Lol! ???????? Who are you? And how did you know I was CptKirby? I guess the KEQ under my name gave it away. I figured having the title "Captain" in game that had actual titled ranks was a little odd. So I figured I'd roleplay a little and dropped it for this game. "Marlin" was named after my local baseball team. I guess I'm Director Kirby or Dir. Kirby now. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6768	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:05:00 - [33] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: Yes per trigger cr does more but not dps wise, also im pretty sure heat build up is per second not per shot, and lol skilled there were hardly any SCR users before auto aim and the few that did use it were meh. Just to show I have no bias in this Prof 4 SCR, prof 2 Duvolle, prof 3 rail, prof 3 CR. Do I think it's OP... Only on the Amarr assualt which is how it should be but Im almost certain many people use modded controllers. Look at the old duvolle tac its rof got reduced and surprise everyone stops using it. 1. Again, to accuse people that run it with the Amarr assault bonus as you "being certain many people use modded controllers" is a false statement, an accusation that you CANNOT prove, and a slap in the face to any SCR user worth their salt who have been in it since day 1. Ignorance at its finest. 2. There are less skilled SCR users than before, with the emergence of the CR and the RR. Fact. Just take a look at the killfeeds next time you are in game. 3. People didn't stop using the TAC because of ROF nerf. They did so because of the horrendous nerf to that weapon's recoil. I know...I used the TAC exclusively up until it happened, even through the dominance of the Creodron breach AR in Mordu's Private Trials. I love my semi-auto weapons. 4. Heat build up is technically per shot with continuous fire, be it fast or slow. If you keep firing without a pause in between, you WILL pop. For someone who has skils invested in each, man...you have no idea what you are talking about in regard to the SCR. Best to either stay quiet or you know, actually TEST your theory before jumping on here with an opinion. I don't know if this guys knows that every SCR users in this thread has been using one since Uprising 1.0 "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 433	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:12:00 - [34] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some plates on that sucker Let me slap some complex armor plates on my scout suit real fast... oh wait... Well let me use some ferroscale plates... at std and ADV only one plate with gal. scout... http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Armor_Plates75 armor... Huh. And minmatar is shield tanked which is what the SCR is good against. Huh. Well... Maybe if I believe hard enough I will have more low slots to put on plates? AR Dmg: 34, RoF: 750 RPM, DPS: 425, RR Dmg: 55, RoF: 461 RPM, DPS: 422, + double the range. Balanced.
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 331	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:18:00 - [35] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: What happened to the "captain" in your name? I miss that name! Lol! ???????? Who are you? And how did you know I was CptKirby? I guess the KEQ under my name gave it away. I figured having the title "Captain" in game that had actual titled ranks was a little odd. So I figured I'd roleplay a little and dropped it for this game. "Marlin" was named after my local baseball team. I guess I'm Director Kirby or Dir. Kirby now. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1114	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:20:00 - [36] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: CR > ScR ease of use CR > ScR overheat CR > ScR sustained DPS (more than double) CR > ScR fitting requirements ScR > CR can hold charge shot indefinitely without overheating ScR > CR DPS ScR > CR charged shot ScR > CR range. Yeah that looks pretty even to me. Fixed* STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 3206	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:34:00 - [37] - Quote zibathy numbertwo wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some plates on that sucker Let me slap some complex armor plates on my scout suit real fast... oh wait... Well let me use some ferroscale plates... at std and ADV only one plate with gal. scout... http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Armor_Plates75 armor... Huh. And minmatar is shield tanked which is what the SCR is good against. Huh. Well... Maybe if I believe hard enough I will have more low slots to put on plates? Dude, that wasn't even a rebuttal. WEAK I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 108	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:38:00 - [38] - Quote 1.If you'd care to read before replying you may have noticed I said its only OP on an Amarr assualt suit as it should be, never did I write people who run Amarr assualts use modded controllers but merely stated "I'm almost certain many people use modded controllers" (as this clearly shows, my statement wasnt directed at any part of the playerbase based on suit usage but just as a general,nonspecific statement)That is my first and foremost point, pointing out ignorance in this case is both hypocritical, shows your undeserved hubris and is highly ironic. 2. Relevance? 3. Just to be clear because you used it, your opinion represents that of an entire playerbase... Ok I realize when I'm at my match When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom. I forget the chapter. 4. Yes on this point I have,(tested it) sometimes I can only fire 19 times and if I really try to force it I can get 22 shots off. These results are dependent of course on fatigue and my own personal aptitude. I have duplicated these results multiple times and of course are subject to human error.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 659	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:41:00 - [39] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. Really.....as I see it the massive disparity between sprint speed, Minmatar capacity for gank, and CR being outright top dog out to 60m....... I don't ever see why the Minmatar players would ever have a reason to ***. Because the sprint speed means fk all, for at least the assault suit. But yeah CR and SMG are fantastic weapons so are the SP and ScR though too. One nice thing about Dust is I think every race has something good going on for it Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4450	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:44:00 - [40] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Yes per trigger cr does more but not dps wise, also im pretty sure heat build up is per second not per shot, and lol skilled there were hardly any SCR users before auto aim and the few that did use it were meh. Just to show I have no bias in this Prof 4 SCR, prof 2 Duvolle, prof 3 rail, prof 3 CR. Do I think it's OP... Only on the Amarr assualt which is how it should be but Im almost certain many people use modded controllers. Look at the old duvolle tac its rof got reduced and surprise everyone stops using it. I used SCR before. Even without AA, i was better than Meh... BTW i dont use modded controllers,but the greatest advantage a SCR can give you, which is the CHARGED shot. Also the ONLY reason to use it over a CR, with better bonuses to damage and no overheat, joke of fitting requirements , a sight that helps achieve precision shots at its intended range and monster like Hipfire. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG

xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 108	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:49:00 - [41] - Quote You sir are an exception, like saying no one makes it to the NBA of course it's untrue i made the statement to point out the rarity of a skilled user. An exaggeration if you will.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4450	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:57:00 - [42] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: You sir are an exception, like saying no one makes it to the NBA of course it's untrue i made the statement to point out the rarity of a skilled user. An exaggeration if you will. Which is nowadays actually pretty common. People just flock into the easiest weapon to kill with to cover for the lack of skill vs more skilled players.This is common, not only in DUST514. I was mostly referring to my personal experience, people have actually accused me of using modded controllers , EVEN when they get 1HKO'd by a single charged shot to the head. I mean.Im sorry,but thats just the way it is, the SCR rifle provides a good incentive for good aiming, and believe me, achieving this constantly with a 400HP amarr assault even Vs proto takes, maybe not skill (im not an 3p33n stroker ) But definitely PRACTICE....... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1280	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:04:00 - [43] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: What happened to the "captain" in your name? I miss that name! Lol! ???????? Who are you? And how did you know I was CptKirby? I guess the KEQ under my name gave it away. I figured having the title "Captain" in game that had actual titled ranks was a little odd. So I figured I'd roleplay a little and dropped it for this game. "Marlin" was named after my local baseball team. I guess I'm Director Kirby or Dir. Kirby now. I'm Los2525 from ^D^ in MAG, silly. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4450	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:08:00 - [44] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: What happened to the "captain" in your name? I miss that name! Lol! ???????? Who are you? And how did you know I was CptKirby? I guess the KEQ under my name gave it away. I figured having the title "Captain" in game that had actual titled ranks was a little odd. So I figured I'd roleplay a little and dropped it for this game. "Marlin" was named after my local baseball team. I guess I'm Director Kirby or Dir. Kirby now. I'm Los2525 from ^D^ in MAG, silly. WOW! waht up LOS! long time no see! just kidding. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Mortedeamor 1359	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:10:00 - [45] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. If I have 1100 eHP on an Advanced Amarr suit there's a problem that CCP needs to look into because I'd be a hacker. If I have 1100 eHP on an Amarr Proto Assault a.k0, there is also a problem so I'm gonna go ahead and stop you from spreading that BS right now. Usually when a SCR user is snuck up on by a NK, CR, or Shotgun user, the SCR user won't take the time to charge a shot, but simply spam in the general direction of the threat - if he/she takes out the NK, CR, or Shotgun user, then by all means that poor sap sucks complete ass at the game. Supreme Tank AND Gank is rewarded to the Gallente as well there chief. Once again - excuses and butt hurt. WOOOA hold your horses since when does the amar proto have 1000 or over ehp? what world are you living in op shove off with your tears more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quite irritating no one fights on even ground
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4509	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:06:00 - [46] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: 4) The SCR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled Sorry to burst your bubble, but some players are just more skilled with it than others; if you die to one before you even know what is going on, don't immediately label them as a "modded controller user," maybe they have just been using it since 5.14.13 and is their bread and butter. Everyone and their grandmothers know that ALL of the rifles are overpowered. So arguing about the SCR being un-balanced (which it isn't, but neither is the AR, CR, or RR) is futile. But this should never inside any respectable balance discussion. That would mean that 1.6 Swarm Launchers were balanced. The pilots who were dieing before they even know what was going on were dieing to me simply because it's been my bread and butter since I started playing. That would mean that 1.2 Flaylock pistols were balanced simply because it's someone's bread and butter, and so on, and so forth for every other item that became overpowered in one point in time. If it is possible, then it's broken. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1503	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:32:00 - [47] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm getting real sick and tired of people coming on these forums and accusing SCR users of being modded controller users. It's really starting to come across as an excuse and general butt hurt by the lesser skilled DUST population. Not all SCR users use modded controllers - personally I see no need for it. If you got killed by a SCR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some plates on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a SCR user's wet dream 3) You're in a shield tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The SCR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled Sorry to burst your bubble, but some players are just more skilled with it than others; if you die to one before you even know what is going on, don't immediately label them as a "modded controller user," maybe they have just been using it since 5.14.13 and is their bread and butter. LOLLOLOLOL... watch this: If you got killed by a CR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some shield extenders on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a CR user's wet dream 3) You're in an armor tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The CR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled so, why does everyone scream OP on CR when SCR = CR, but SCR has more range? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 3214	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:36:00 - [48] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm getting real sick and tired of people coming on these forums and accusing SCR users of being modded controller users. It's really starting to come across as an excuse and general butt hurt by the lesser skilled DUST population. Not all SCR users use modded controllers - personally I see no need for it. If you got killed by a SCR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some plates on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a SCR user's wet dream 3) You're in a shield tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The SCR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled Sorry to burst your bubble, but some players are just more skilled with it than others; if you die to one before you even know what is going on, don't immediately label them as a "modded controller user," maybe they have just been using it since 5.14.13 and is their bread and butter. LOLLOLOLOL... watch this: If you got killed by a CR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some shield extenders on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a CR user's wet dream 3) You're in an armor tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The CR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled so, why does everyone scream OP on CR when SCR = CR, but SCR has more range? No one ever accuses all CR users of using modded controllers though. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1503	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:37:00 - [49] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: You sir are an exception, like saying no one makes it to the NBA of course it's untrue i made the statement to point out the rarity of a skilled user. An exaggeration if you will. Which is nowadays actually pretty common. People just flock into the easiest weapon to kill with to cover for the lack of skill vs more skilled players.This is common, not only in DUST514. I was mostly referring to my personal experience, people have actually accused me of using modded controllers , EVEN when they get 1HKO'd by a single charged shot to the head. I mean.Im sorry,but thats just the way it is, the SCR rifle provides a good incentive for good aiming, and believe me, achieving this constantly with a 400HP amarr assault even Vs proto takes, maybe not skill (im not an 3p33n stroker ) But definitely PRACTICE....... man you dnt use a 400 ehp amar suit. My squad and I played you the other day. You were running full advanced gear and Heavy suits with ADV scramblers and possibly damage mods (I know because I had a 1300 ehp heavy get reduced to 400hp from your scramblers) in that galente map. You kept charging objective B (the elevated one) from the CRU. either way. If this holds true for a scambler rifle then the CR could never be OP because it is like a Scr with more downsides and less range. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4457	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:45:00 - [50] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: man you dnt use a 400 ehp amar suit. My squad and I played you the other day. You were running full advanced gear and Heavy suits with ADV scramblers and possibly damage mods (I know because I had a 1300 ehp heavy get reduced to 400hp from your scramblers) in that galente map. You kept charging objective B (the elevated one) from the CRU. either way. If this holds true for a scambler rifle then the CR could never be OP because it is like a Scr with more downsides and less range. 1st-My ''FULL ADV GEAR;; Amarr suit HAS 400HP XD..... I use 430 EHP Amarr Assault A/1 series. 1 Damage Mod, 1 Precision enhancer , 1 Armor rep and 1 complex dampener. 2nd-We played YESTERDAY 3rd-I HAD To use the heavy suit with SHOTGUN (mind you) since it was the only way to kill the incredible Heavy Spam you ULTRAMARINES were doing (next to the other corp with full proto) 4th- How is a CR a SCR with downsides? The only TRUE ADvantage the SCR has over a CR is the CHARGED SHOT and some RANGE. The CR has better fitting requirements (by far) , no overheat, faster Reload speed ,better hipfire, can shoot 18 bursts per clip uniterrupted , all this and not even getting into how a Standard CR does more damage per R1 Press than a Viziam SCR rifle (32 x 3 = 96 // Viziam 79) So dont give me that SCR > CR bulls* when the only thing we got going for ourselves is the charged shot and fancy design.... AceOfJokers666** [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG

Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 477	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:54:00 - [51] - Quote Not all SCR user use modded controller. But there are people out there that use it, even with the AR (always fire the first shot) and SMG. You can say what you want about Dust,but Dust has an awesome audio, and if you use an HIFI AMP+ PRO HIFI headphone you can "ear" it clearly. Once you try "HMG-FAT" you never get back...
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1280	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:34:00 - [52] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: You sir are an exception, like saying no one makes it to the NBA of course it's untrue i made the statement to point out the rarity of a skilled user. An exaggeration if you will. Which is nowadays actually pretty common. People just flock into the easiest weapon to kill with to cover for the lack of skill vs more skilled players.This is common, not only in DUST514. I was mostly referring to my personal experience, people have actually accused me of using modded controllers , EVEN when they get 1HKO'd by a single charged shot to the head. I mean.Im sorry,but thats just the way it is, the SCR rifle provides a good incentive for good aiming, and believe me, achieving this constantly with a 400HP amarr assault even Vs proto takes, maybe not skill (im not an 3p33n stroker ) But definitely PRACTICE....... man you dnt use a 400 ehp amar suit. My squad and I played you the other day. You were running full advanced gear and Heavy suits with ADV scramblers and possibly damage mods (I know because I had a 1300 ehp heavy get reduced to 400hp from your scramblers) in that galente map. You kept charging objective B (the elevated one) from the CRU. either way. If this holds true for a scambler rifle then the CR could never be OP because it is like a Scr with more downsides and less range. Please elaborate on exactly what you mean when you say "because it is like a Scr with more downsides and less range". I am having trouble finding the mechanism that makes YOUR CR overheat or ANY of these CR "downsides" you claim. That comment is being nominated for "Worst Counter Reply of the Year". PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6773	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:57:00 - [53] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP. You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods) You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank. The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup. Really.....as I see it the massive disparity between sprint speed, Minmatar capacity for gank, and CR being outright top dog out to 60m....... I don't ever see why the Minmatar players would ever have a reason to ***. Because the sprint speed means fk all, for at least the assault suit. But yeah CR and SMG are fantastic weapons so are the SP and ScR though too. One nice thing about Dust is I think every race has something good going on for it It means everything to a skirmisher, being able to flank quickly and effectively around cover to position high RoF guns to tear down targets before they are aware you have even shifted position. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1529	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:29:00 - [54] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: LOL yea Aisha...stop it in its track!! Don't let them what they did to my beloved like they will do to yours. I'm so upset right now. I just can't believe it. Thanks to the dummies who continually try their hardest to turn this game into a cream puff. Um, what? No-one's doing anything to the RR. Quit your whining about your OP gun. ScR is basically getting nerfed. Loss of the Amarr Assault bonus means it's going to have issues competing with the other rifles - not 1v1, but against groups. I can reliably attack groups of reds with an RR or an ACR (can't really get a handle on the burst, don't care enough to try) but with the ScR on my logi suit? Nope. King of 1v1s, but no actual assaulting. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 332	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:32:00 - [55] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: What happened to the "captain" in your name? I miss that name! Lol! ???????? Who are you? And how did you know I was CptKirby? I guess the KEQ under my name gave it away. I figured having the title "Captain" in game that had actual titled ranks was a little odd. So I figured I'd roleplay a little and dropped it for this game. "Marlin" was named after my local baseball team. I guess I'm Director Kirby or Dir. Kirby now. I'm Los2525 from ^D^ in MAG, silly. Yeah, I realized a few posts later. I feel pretty stupid because I have played with you before on that name before. I blame the lack of ^D^ under your name! The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 420	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:38:00 - [56] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: CR > ScR ease of use CR > ScR overheat CR > ScR sustained DPS (more than double) CR > ScR fitting requirements CR > ScR DPS (+50%) when not cheating ScR > CR can hold charge shot indefinitely without overheating ScR > CR DPS only if using a turbo controller ScR > CR range. Yeah that looks pretty even to me. Fixed* Fixed back. ScR will only out-DPS a CR with the use of a turbo controller, otherwise you just can't pull the trigger fast enough. Oh and reduced duplicated line (charged shot and charged shot) While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 420	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:43:00 - [57] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm getting real sick and tired of people coming on these forums and accusing SCR users of being modded controller users. It's really starting to come across as an excuse and general butt hurt by the lesser skilled DUST population. Not all SCR users use modded controllers - personally I see no need for it. If you got killed by a SCR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some plates on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a SCR user's wet dream 3) You're in a shield tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The SCR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled Sorry to burst your bubble, but some players are just more skilled with it than others; if you die to one before you even know what is going on, don't immediately label them as a "modded controller user," maybe they have just been using it since 5.14.13 and is their bread and butter. LOLLOLOLOL... watch this: If you got killed by a CR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some shield extenders on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a CR user's wet dream 3) You're in an armor tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The CR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled so, why does everyone scream OP on CR when SCR = CR, but SCR has more range? Because without cheating (modded controller) you can get 640 DPS out of it with NO SKILLS, no overheat, barely any fitting cost, and decent range. To contrast, without a modded controller you are looking at between 400 and 500 DPS from the ScR (which is still too high.) CR =/= ScR... CR >>>> ScR. There is no other rifle in-game that can kill my rep-tanked heavy suit before I turn around other than a CR. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4515	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:43:00 - [58] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Michael Arck wrote: LOL yea Aisha...stop it in its track!! Don't let them what they did to my beloved like they will do to yours. I'm so upset right now. I just can't believe it. Thanks to the dummies who continually try their hardest to turn this game into a cream puff. Um, what? No-one's doing anything to the RR. Quit your whining about your OP gun. ScR is basically getting nerfed. Loss of the Amarr Assault bonus means it's going to have issues competing with the other rifles - not 1v1, but against groups. I can reliably attack groups of reds with an RR or an ACR (can't really get a handle on the burst, don't care enough to try) but with the ScR on my logi suit? Nope. King of 1v1s, but no actual assaulting. I'm fairly certain that Micheal is referring to the Tactical Assault Rifle, not the Rail Rifle. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 420	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:47:00 - [59] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: You sir are an exception, like saying no one makes it to the NBA of course it's untrue i made the statement to point out the rarity of a skilled user. An exaggeration if you will. Which is nowadays actually pretty common. People just flock into the easiest weapon to kill with to cover for the lack of skill vs more skilled players.This is common, not only in DUST514. I was mostly referring to my personal experience, people have actually accused me of using modded controllers , EVEN when they get 1HKO'd by a single charged shot to the head. I mean.Im sorry,but thats just the way it is, the SCR rifle provides a good incentive for good aiming, and believe me, achieving this constantly with a 400HP amarr assault even Vs proto takes, maybe not skill (im not an 3p33n stroker ) But definitely PRACTICE....... man you dnt use a 400 ehp amar suit. My squad and I played you the other day. You were running full advanced gear and Heavy suits with ADV scramblers and possibly damage mods (I know because I had a 1300 ehp heavy get reduced to 400hp from your scramblers) in that galente map. You kept charging objective B (the elevated one) from the CRU. either way. If this holds true for a scambler rifle then the CR could never be OP because it is like a Scr with more downsides and less range. So what were the CR downside compared to the ScR again? fitting? no CR has lol fitting damage?? no CR does + 25% more damage per trigger pull Dying from overheating?? no that is a ScR only thing Damage before overheat?? no, once again only a ScR thing Balanced damage profiles?? No CR does an average of 102.5% damage, compared with 100% for everyone else Oh right... it has slightly less range and no charged shot..... Yep, CR has sooooooo many downsides. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 189	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:59:00 - [60] - Quote Haha, i love it when all the Amarr mafia come out in defense of their weapon. If you think it's balanced strap on a caldari suit and tell me that. If as many people liked and used it as much as the rail rifle then it would be getting stomped into the ground, lucky for you guys it;s not popular.

thomas mak STRONG-ARMED BANDITS 32	Posted - 2014.02.08 06:11:00 - [61] - Quote what is modded controllers *Real tanker dies with their tanks!*
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 332	Posted - 2014.02.08 06:13:00 - [62] - Quote thomas mak wrote: what is modded controllers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA4TEQ5aN4I The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
thomas mak STRONG-ARMED BANDITS 32	Posted - 2014.02.08 06:15:00 - [63] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: thomas mak wrote: what is modded controllers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA4TEQ5aN4I I don't need a modded controller but I can stilll shot that fast with my ps3 controller, am I not nomal? *Real tanker dies with their tanks!*
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1317	Posted - 2014.02.08 06:26:00 - [64] - Quote straya fox wrote: Haha, i love it when all the Amarr mafia come out in defense of their weapon. If you think it's balanced strap on a caldari suit and tell me that. If as many people liked and used it as much as the rail rifle then it would be getting stomped into the ground, lucky for you guys it;s not popular. It's not popular because it's not as "easy-to-use" as the other rifles due to it's semi auto mechanic. CCP takes it a step further by adding an overheat mechanic that can only be relieved by sinking tons of SP into a slow suit with a less than ideal slot layout. The thing is, in most games, these types of weaponry (semi auto, single shot, trajectory) have a steep learning curve requiring the user to have a more precise and accurate muscle memory than when using fully auto/large cone of fire weaponry. Because of the learning curve, users who are able to fully take advantage of the semi auto weapon's strengths are rewarded with superior DPS. Not everyone can do this. This is why you don't see "Viziam Scrambler Rifle" all over the kill feed every match, yet still come across an occasional imperial badass who butt raeps the entire team going 39/2. Not everyone can do it and you cannot nerf the actual players who can. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 421	Posted - 2014.02.08 06:27:00 - [65] - Quote straya fox wrote: Haha, i love it when all the Amarr mafia come out in defense of their weapon. If you think it's balanced strap on a caldari suit and tell me that. If as many people liked and used it as much as the rail rifle then it would be getting stomped into the ground, lucky for you guys it;s not popular. Scrambler rifle has been the same since it was introduced 8+ months ago.... explain why it has never been a huge FotM gun...... *Also, I do think the RoF should be nerfed to like 400 RPM btw, everything else about the rifle is fully balanced versus the AR While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4491	Posted - 2014.02.08 22:38:00 - [66] - Quote @ straya fox Quote: ''Haha, i love it when all the Amarr mafia come out in defense of their weapon. If you think it's balanced strap on a caldari suit and tell me that.'' Caldari is the only Suit that has complete weakness to the SCR (and scouts). ANYHOW, i've seen 500+ Armor Cal assaults, but then if you do this you will be complaining about RR or CR..... Quote: '' lucky for you guys it;s not popular'' Of course its not popular, its a weapon that takes skill + situational awareness. I really like you here in the forums and you are a great player, but dont be hating on our SCR just because your PROTO DROP-SUITS cant take a couple of Charged shots from behind... ;) Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1572	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:04:00 - [67] - Quote I've decided to test it tonight, ROF is impressive, damage too, it deserves a nerf. 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 182	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:11:00 - [68] - Quote The Scram Rifle is for the scrubbiest of scrubs and any idiot can use it..its op and takes no skill to use its needs to be nerfed to the ground..its kills meh to fast if want to use a good weapon use a Rail , combat or assault rifle cause those take more skill than scrubby scram rifle..scram rifle is for noobs with no gun game....did I get it right?... Honestly though I think the scram rifle is fine where it is at..I am a Caldari Assault and yes I do get pulverized by a scrambler rifle but that is cause its doing its role and destroying shields which is what I'm made of ..only thing I dont like about scram rifle is the no heat build up when charging besides that its fine in my book Its take the most skill to use to its full potential and if your using one you most likely sacrificed some health to use it cause its a ***** to fit
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 186	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:15:00 - [69] - Quote Tighten hip fire, same fix for RR. Gun is too effective in CQC make it harder to spam and insta-win in close quaters, all other aspects of the gun are fine. What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4491	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:24:00 - [70] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: Tighten hip fire, same fix for RR. Gun is too effective in CQC make it harder to spam and insta-win in close quaters, all other aspects of the gun are fine. Seems Great. Then a RANGE REDUCTION to CR and AR should come too. SCR and RR are not effective in CQ. CR and AR are not effective outside the 45mts even at proto level. you have a deal. (Or you thought you could NERF RR/SCR CQ capabilities while KEEPING CR long range impeccable damage? LOL) Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029

Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 182	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:28:00 - [71] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: [ LOLLOLOLOL... watch this: If you got killed by a CR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some shield extenders on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a CR user's wet dream 3) You're in an armor tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The CR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled so, why does everyone scream OP on CR when SCR = CR, but SCR has more range? I had roughly 580 shields and the combat rifle just ate right through it before I had a chance....that -5% to shields means nothing lol
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 186	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:29:00 - [72] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Tighten hip fire, same fix for RR. Gun is too effective in CQC make it harder to spam and insta-win in close quaters, all other aspects of the gun are fine. Seems Great. Then a RANGE REDUCTION to CR and AR should come too. SCR and RR are not effective in CQ. CR and AR are not effective outside the 45mts even at proto level. you have a deal. (Or you thought you could NERF RR/SCR CQ capabilities while KEEPING CR long range impeccable damage? LOL) I only comment on guns I use (RR and SCR), perhaps others should do the same... If you run CR all the time I bow to your expertise. What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 330	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:05:00 - [73] - Quote Guys, you would be unwise to play down the significance of the charged shot on the Scrambler. My only real gripe with the scrambler is the fact it keeps such a high rate of fire when the TAC AR got boned in the bumhole with a mag size nerf and a RoF nerf. Add to that what ever else was done to make it crappy. Would you guys not say it would be fair to reduce the RoF of the scram? or buff the RoF and clip size of the TAC AR.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4499	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:10:00 - [74] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Tighten hip fire, same fix for RR. Gun is too effective in CQC make it harder to spam and insta-win in close quaters, all other aspects of the gun are fine. Seems Great. Then a RANGE REDUCTION to CR and AR should come too. SCR and RR are not effective in CQ. CR and AR are not effective outside the 45mts even at proto level. you have a deal. (Or you thought you could NERF RR/SCR CQ capabilities while KEEPING CR long range impeccable damage? LOL) I only comment on guns I use (RR and SCR), perhaps others should do the same... If you run CR all the time I bow to your expertise in suggestions. I ahve all Rifles PRof 4. I use SCR 50% of the time the other 50% I use all other guns depending on the situation. I repeat myself. If a CQ nerf is to be made for RR and SCR , then a RAnged NErf will be needed for CR and ARs. SPECIALLY CR.... The : '' I use this weapon so my nerf proposal is valid'' card is , way too old... Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4499	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:12:00 - [75] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Guys, you would be unwise to play down the significance of the charged shot on the Scrambler. My only real gripe with the scrambler is the fact it keeps such a high rate of fire when the TAC AR got boned in the bumhole with a mag size nerf and a RoF nerf. Add to that what ever else was done to make it crappy. Would you guys not say it would be fair to reduce the RoF of the scram? or buff the RoF and clip size of the TAC AR. No. The TAC is a COPY of the SCRAM. ITs unfair for gallentes to have an equally effective ALTERNATE AR as the AMARRIAN MAIN RIFLE. TAC needs a RoF increase (Slight) SCR needs no change. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 49	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:45:00 - [76] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Are that many people really using modded controllers? I doubt it. I will tell you however what is really happening, ScR users are holding the charge, while some spams scanners. This is why the Scanner functions need an overhaul. This is why the ScR needs a penalty for holding the chare for longer than 10secs. lol wanna bet hehehehe thats all im sayn
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4504	Posted - 2014.02.09 00:47:00 - [77] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I've decided to test it tonight, ROF is impressive, damage too, it deserves a nerf. OH so you played with it one day? You must be right. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 330	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:17:00 - [78] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Guys, you would be unwise to play down the significance of the charged shot on the Scrambler. My only real gripe with the scrambler is the fact it keeps such a high rate of fire when the TAC AR got boned in the bumhole with a mag size nerf and a RoF nerf. Add to that what ever else was done to make it crappy. Would you guys not say it would be fair to reduce the RoF of the scram? or buff the RoF and clip size of the TAC AR. No. The TAC is a COPY of the SCRAM. ITs unfair for gallentes to have an equally effective ALTERNATE AR as the AMARRIAN MAIN RIFLE. TAC needs a RoF increase (Slight) SCR needs no change. Then what is the point of weapons like the burst AR and TAC AR if they are just weak versions of other guns? I thought the idea was they would be variations on the other empires technology? Not a straight up crap version. I mean like trade off some dmg for RoF or what ever fits with the races ideology? Gallente love close quarters so why not have reduced range on the TAC but increased dmg, or RoF or what ever. I agree people like to bash on Scram rifle users but you guys dont do yourselves any favours when you out right throw away ideas of letting the other races "variant weapons" compete.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 330	Posted - 2014.02.09 01:20:00 - [79] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Guys, you would be unwise to play down the significance of the charged shot on the Scrambler. My only real gripe with the scrambler is the fact it keeps such a high rate of fire when the TAC AR got boned in the bumhole with a mag size nerf and a RoF nerf. Add to that what ever else was done to make it crappy. Would you guys not say it would be fair to reduce the RoF of the scram? or buff the RoF and clip size of the TAC AR. No. The TAC is a COPY of the SCRAM. ITs unfair for gallentes to have an equally effective ALTERNATE AR as the AMARRIAN MAIN RIFLE. TAC needs a RoF increase (Slight) SCR needs no change. Also the RoF isnt the biggest issue. The RoF would be acceptable if the magazine size was increased. However yes I think to be fair a slight RoF increase coupled with increased mag capacity would be acceptable. Remember the TAC even in its prime still had only the same kind of RoF you guys enjoy with the scrambler now - but remember it has NEVER had the same mag size that you still enjoy right now on your scrambler.
Awry Barux Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 459	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:05:00 - [80] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Guys, you would be unwise to play down the significance of the charged shot on the Scrambler. My only real gripe with the scrambler is the fact it keeps such a high rate of fire when the TAC AR got boned in the bumhole with a mag size nerf and a RoF nerf. Add to that what ever else was done to make it crappy. Would you guys not say it would be fair to reduce the RoF of the scram? or buff the RoF and clip size of the TAC AR. No. The TAC is a COPY of the SCRAM. ITs unfair for gallentes to have an equally effective ALTERNATE AR as the AMARRIAN MAIN RIFLE. TAC needs a RoF increase (Slight) SCR needs no change. Also the RoF isnt the biggest issue. The RoF would be acceptable if the magazine size was increased. However yes I think to be fair a slight RoF increase coupled with increased mag capacity would be acceptable. Remember the TAC even in its prime still had only the same kind of RoF you guys enjoy with the scrambler now - but remember it has NEVER had the same mag size that you still enjoy right now on your scrambler. Pffft magazine size doesn't mean jack sh*t for the scrambler. "Nerf" it to a 18 round clip and remove the overheat... I promise you won't be happy with the results.

1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1056	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:25:00 - [81] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I've decided to test it tonight, ROF is impressive, damage too, it deserves a nerf. I've said it before I'll say it again, do not try and balance these weapons from a single PUBLIC game going against newer players, idiotic Shield Tankers, MLT and STD suits, or dumbasses in general; the environment of Public Contracts are too shrouded in uncertainty. Balance must be made in PC matches where; just because you have a Viziam doesn't mean you start "shitting on noobs", its a whole other ball game when you look at the highest tier suits and weapons in action against each other, which is something that not all Dust players get to experience. Too bad Molden Heath is locked up like a chinese finger trap.. I will restate: Stop trying to balance weapons based on performance in pub games, it just perpetuates this idiotic nerf/buff cycle were stuck in because less than idiotic players figure out what the powerful thing is and the idiots die to them and cry. The Sinwarden
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1298	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:52:00 - [82] - Quote ^ What he said. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 73	Posted - 2014.02.09 03:26:00 - [83] - Quote NO [/quote] Fixed*[/quote] Fixed Caldari Loyalist
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 194	Posted - 2014.02.09 04:07:00 - [84] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ straya fox Quote: ''Haha, i love it when all the Amarr mafia come out in defense of their weapon. If you think it's balanced strap on a caldari suit and tell me that.'' Caldari is the only Suit that has complete weakness to the SCR (and scouts). ANYHOW, i've seen 500+ Armor Cal assaults, but then if you do this you will be complaining about RR or CR..... Quote: '' lucky for you guys it;s not popular'' Of course its not popular, its a weapon that takes skill + situational awareness. I really like you here in the forums and you are a great player, but dont be hating on our SCR just because your PROTO DROP-SUITS cant take a couple of Charged shots from behind... ;) Haha i'm not hating man, i was just in a bad mood after the RR damage nerf and the Caldari assault bonus ( reload ) announcements. I know the ScR is a balanced weapon, well against most suits except mine unfortunately, like i said i just had a little lash out. Apologies
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4534	Posted - 2014.02.09 04:15:00 - [85] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Then what is the point of weapons like the burst AR and TAC AR if they are just weak versions of other guns? . That with only SP into AR's you can still use something SIMILAR to the SCR..... Think of low level players here. Oh wait, nobody does that in these forums.... Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4534	Posted - 2014.02.09 04:16:00 - [86] - Quote straya fox wrote: Haha i'm not hating man, i was just in a bad mood after the RR damage nerf and the Caldari assault bonus ( reload ) announcements. I know the ScR is a balanced weapon, well against most suits except mine unfortunately, like i said i just had a little lash out. Apologies Accepted. /Also check this out and have a saying about CAldari Assault Bonus: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=141123&find=unread Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1574	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:52:00 - [87] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: shaman oga wrote: I've decided to test it tonight, ROF is impressive, damage too, it deserves a nerf. I've said it before I'll say it again, do not try and balance these weapons from a single PUBLIC game going against newer players, idiotic Shield Tankers, MLT and STD suits, or dumbasses in general; the environment of Public Contracts are too shrouded in uncertainty. Balance must be made in PC matches where; just because you have a Viziam doesn't mean you start "shitting on noobs", its a whole other ball game when you look at the highest tier suits and weapons in action against each other, which is something that not all Dust players get to experience. Too bad Molden Heath is locked up like a chinese finger trap.. I will restate: Stop trying to balance weapons based on performance in pub games, it just perpetuates this idiotic nerf/buff cycle were stuck in because less than idiotic players figure out what the powerful thing is and the idiots die to them and cry. It was a STD scr with a STD suits. PC players don't have special resistances for shield or armor, 10 damage in PC is equal to 10 damage in public, same for ROF. A good balance works from pubs to PC. BTW, i've found that have cold hands really decrease the power of the Scr rifle 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2326	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:56:00 - [88] - Quote My trigger finger is all natural. Well I do use a little dubstep to help :] "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6811	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:05:00 - [89] - Quote I love how everyone talks like the only good/useful ScR is the Viziam. The Carthum absolutely wrecks our to 50-60m. I LUV DAT GUN! "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha


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