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thomas mak
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
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Posted - 2014.02.08 06:11:00 -
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what is modded controllers
Real tanker dies with their tanks!
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
332
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Posted - 2014.02.08 06:13:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:what is modded controllers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA4TEQ5aN4I
The not Logic Bomb!
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thomas mak
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
32
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Posted - 2014.02.08 06:15:00 -
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I don't need a modded controller but I can stilll shot that fast with my ps3 controller, am I not nomal?
Real tanker dies with their tanks!
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
1317
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Posted - 2014.02.08 06:26:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Haha, i love it when all the Amarr mafia come out in defense of their weapon. If you think it's balanced strap on a caldari suit and tell me that.
If as many people liked and used it as much as the rail rifle then it would be getting stomped into the ground, lucky for you guys it;s not popular.
It's not popular because it's not as "easy-to-use" as the other rifles due to it's semi auto mechanic. CCP takes it a step further by adding an overheat mechanic that can only be relieved by sinking tons of SP into a slow suit with a less than ideal slot layout.
The thing is, in most games, these types of weaponry (semi auto, single shot, trajectory) have a steep learning curve requiring the user to have a more precise and accurate muscle memory than when using fully auto/large cone of fire weaponry. Because of the learning curve, users who are able to fully take advantage of the semi auto weapon's strengths are rewarded with superior DPS.
Not everyone can do this.
This is why you don't see "Viziam Scrambler Rifle" all over the kill feed every match, yet still come across an occasional imperial badass who butt raeps the entire team going 39/2.
Not everyone can do it and you cannot nerf the actual players who can.
The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one.
AV spam vs V spam
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
421
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Posted - 2014.02.08 06:27:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Haha, i love it when all the Amarr mafia come out in defense of their weapon. If you think it's balanced strap on a caldari suit and tell me that.
If as many people liked and used it as much as the rail rifle then it would be getting stomped into the ground, lucky for you guys it;s not popular.
Scrambler rifle has been the same since it was introduced 8+ months ago....
explain why it has never been a huge FotM gun......
*Also, I do think the RoF should be nerfed to like 400 RPM btw, everything else about the rifle is fully balanced versus the AR
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4491
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:38:00 -
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@ straya fox
Quote:''Haha, i love it when all the Amarr mafia come out in defense of their weapon. If you think it's balanced strap on a caldari suit and tell me that.''
Caldari is the only Suit that has complete weakness to the SCR (and scouts).
ANYHOW, i've seen 500+ Armor Cal assaults, but then if you do this you will be complaining about RR or CR.....
Quote:'' lucky for you guys it;s not popular''
Of course its not popular, its a weapon that takes skill + situational awareness.
I really like you here in the forums and you are a great player, but dont be hating on our SCR just because your PROTO DROP-SUITS cant take a couple of Charged shots from behind... ;)
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1572
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:04:00 -
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I've decided to test it tonight, ROF is impressive, damage too, it deserves a nerf.
1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
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Seigfried Warheit
Caught Me With My Pants Down
182
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:11:00 -
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The Scram Rifle is for the scrubbiest of scrubs and any idiot can use it..its op and takes no skill to use its needs to be nerfed to the ground..its kills meh to fast if want to use a good weapon use a Rail , combat or assault rifle cause those take more skill than scrubby scram rifle..scram rifle is for noobs with no gun game....did I get it right? ...
Honestly though I think the scram rifle is fine where it is at..I am a Caldari Assault and yes I do get pulverized by a scrambler rifle but that is cause its doing its role and destroying shields which is what I'm made of  ..only thing I dont like about scram rifle is the no heat build up when charging besides that its fine in my book  Its take the most skill to use to its full potential and if your using one you most likely sacrificed some health to use it cause its a ***** to fit |
Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
186
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:15:00 -
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Tighten hip fire, same fix for RR. Gun is too effective in CQC make it harder to spam and insta-win in close quaters, all other aspects of the gun are fine.
What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4491
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:24:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:Tighten hip fire, same fix for RR. Gun is too effective in CQC make it harder to spam and insta-win in close quaters, all other aspects of the gun are fine.
Seems Great.
Then a RANGE REDUCTION to CR and AR should come too.
SCR and RR are not effective in CQ.
CR and AR are not effective outside the 45mts even at proto level.
you have a deal.
(Or you thought you could NERF RR/SCR CQ capabilities while KEEPING CR long range impeccable damage? LOL)
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Seigfried Warheit
Caught Me With My Pants Down
182
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:28:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:[
LOLLOLOLOL... watch this:
If you got killed by a CR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following.
1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some shield extenders on that sucker
2) You're standing still in the open - You're a CR user's wet dream
3) You're in an armor tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one
4) The CR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled
so, why does everyone scream OP on CR when SCR = CR, but SCR has more range?
I had roughly 580 shields and the combat rifle just ate right through it before I had a chance....that -5% to shields means nothing lol |
Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
186
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:29:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kal Kronos wrote:Tighten hip fire, same fix for RR. Gun is too effective in CQC make it harder to spam and insta-win in close quaters, all other aspects of the gun are fine. Seems Great. Then a RANGE REDUCTION to CR and AR should come too.SCR and RR are not effective in CQ. CR and AR are not effective outside the 45mts even at proto level. you have a deal. (Or you thought you could NERF RR/SCR CQ capabilities while KEEPING CR long range impeccable damage? LOL)
I only comment on guns I use (RR and SCR), perhaps others should do the same... If you run CR all the time I bow to your expertise.
What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
330
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:05:00 -
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Guys, you would be unwise to play down the significance of the charged shot on the Scrambler.
My only real gripe with the scrambler is the fact it keeps such a high rate of fire when the TAC AR got boned in the bumhole with a mag size nerf and a RoF nerf. Add to that what ever else was done to make it crappy.
Would you guys not say it would be fair to reduce the RoF of the scram? or buff the RoF and clip size of the TAC AR. |
KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4499
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:10:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kal Kronos wrote:Tighten hip fire, same fix for RR. Gun is too effective in CQC make it harder to spam and insta-win in close quaters, all other aspects of the gun are fine. Seems Great. Then a RANGE REDUCTION to CR and AR should come too.SCR and RR are not effective in CQ. CR and AR are not effective outside the 45mts even at proto level. you have a deal. (Or you thought you could NERF RR/SCR CQ capabilities while KEEPING CR long range impeccable damage? LOL) I only comment on guns I use (RR and SCR), perhaps others should do the same... If you run CR all the time I bow to your expertise in suggestions.
I ahve all Rifles PRof 4.
I use SCR 50% of the time
the other 50% I use all other guns depending on the situation.
I repeat myself.
If a CQ nerf is to be made for RR and SCR , then a RAnged NErf will be needed for CR and ARs. SPECIALLY CR....
The : '' I use this weapon so my nerf proposal is valid'' card is , way too old...
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4499
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:12:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:Guys, you would be unwise to play down the significance of the charged shot on the Scrambler.
My only real gripe with the scrambler is the fact it keeps such a high rate of fire when the TAC AR got boned in the bumhole with a mag size nerf and a RoF nerf. Add to that what ever else was done to make it crappy.
Would you guys not say it would be fair to reduce the RoF of the scram? or buff the RoF and clip size of the TAC AR.
No.
The TAC is a COPY of the SCRAM.
ITs unfair for gallentes to have an equally effective ALTERNATE AR as the AMARRIAN MAIN RIFLE.
TAC needs a RoF increase (Slight)
SCR needs no change.
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:45:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Are that many people really using modded controllers? I doubt it.
I will tell you however what is really happening, ScR users are holding the charge, while some spams scanners.
This is why the Scanner functions need an overhaul.
This is why the ScR needs a penalty for holding the chare for longer than 10secs.
lol wanna bet hehehehe thats all im sayn |
KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4504
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:47:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:I've decided to test it tonight, ROF is impressive, damage too, it deserves a nerf.
OH so you played with it one day?
You must be right.
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
330
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:17:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:Guys, you would be unwise to play down the significance of the charged shot on the Scrambler.
My only real gripe with the scrambler is the fact it keeps such a high rate of fire when the TAC AR got boned in the bumhole with a mag size nerf and a RoF nerf. Add to that what ever else was done to make it crappy.
Would you guys not say it would be fair to reduce the RoF of the scram? or buff the RoF and clip size of the TAC AR. No. The TAC is a COPY of the SCRAM. ITs unfair for gallentes to have an equally effective ALTERNATE AR as the AMARRIAN MAIN RIFLE.TAC needs a RoF increase (Slight) SCR needs no change.
Then what is the point of weapons like the burst AR and TAC AR if they are just weak versions of other guns? I thought the idea was they would be variations on the other empires technology? Not a straight up crap version.
I mean like trade off some dmg for RoF or what ever fits with the races ideology? Gallente love close quarters so why not have reduced range on the TAC but increased dmg, or RoF or what ever.
I agree people like to bash on Scram rifle users but you guys dont do yourselves any favours when you out right throw away ideas of letting the other races "variant weapons" compete. |
ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
330
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:20:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:Guys, you would be unwise to play down the significance of the charged shot on the Scrambler.
My only real gripe with the scrambler is the fact it keeps such a high rate of fire when the TAC AR got boned in the bumhole with a mag size nerf and a RoF nerf. Add to that what ever else was done to make it crappy.
Would you guys not say it would be fair to reduce the RoF of the scram? or buff the RoF and clip size of the TAC AR. No. The TAC is a COPY of the SCRAM. ITs unfair for gallentes to have an equally effective ALTERNATE AR as the AMARRIAN MAIN RIFLE.TAC needs a RoF increase (Slight) SCR needs no change.
Also the RoF isnt the biggest issue. The RoF would be acceptable if the magazine size was increased. However yes I think to be fair a slight RoF increase coupled with increased mag capacity would be acceptable.
Remember the TAC even in its prime still had only the same kind of RoF you guys enjoy with the scrambler now - but remember it has NEVER had the same mag size that you still enjoy right now on your scrambler. |
Awry Barux
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
459
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:05:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:Guys, you would be unwise to play down the significance of the charged shot on the Scrambler.
My only real gripe with the scrambler is the fact it keeps such a high rate of fire when the TAC AR got boned in the bumhole with a mag size nerf and a RoF nerf. Add to that what ever else was done to make it crappy.
Would you guys not say it would be fair to reduce the RoF of the scram? or buff the RoF and clip size of the TAC AR. No. The TAC is a COPY of the SCRAM. ITs unfair for gallentes to have an equally effective ALTERNATE AR as the AMARRIAN MAIN RIFLE.TAC needs a RoF increase (Slight) SCR needs no change. Also the RoF isnt the biggest issue. The RoF would be acceptable if the magazine size was increased. However yes I think to be fair a slight RoF increase coupled with increased mag capacity would be acceptable. Remember the TAC even in its prime still had only the same kind of RoF you guys enjoy with the scrambler now - but remember it has NEVER had the same mag size that you still enjoy right now on your scrambler.
Pffft magazine size doesn't mean jack sh*t for the scrambler. "Nerf" it to a 18 round clip and remove the overheat... I promise you won't be happy with the results. |
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1056
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:25:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:I've decided to test it tonight, ROF is impressive, damage too, it deserves a nerf.
I've said it before I'll say it again, do not try and balance these weapons from a single PUBLIC game going against newer players, idiotic Shield Tankers, MLT and STD suits, or dumbasses in general; the environment of Public Contracts are too shrouded in uncertainty.
Balance must be made in PC matches where; just because you have a Viziam doesn't mean you start "shitting on noobs", its a whole other ball game when you look at the highest tier suits and weapons in action against each other, which is something that not all Dust players get to experience.
Too bad Molden Heath is locked up like a chinese finger trap..
I will restate: Stop trying to balance weapons based on performance in pub games, it just perpetuates this idiotic nerf/buff cycle were stuck in because less than idiotic players figure out what the powerful thing is and the idiots die to them and cry.
The Sinwarden
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Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
1298
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:52:00 -
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^ What he said.
PurificationGäó
It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
73
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Posted - 2014.02.09 03:26:00 -
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NO [/quote]
Fixed*[/quote]
Fixed
Caldari Loyalist
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straya fox
Sad Panda Solutions
194
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Posted - 2014.02.09 04:07:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:@ straya fox Quote:''Haha, i love it when all the Amarr mafia come out in defense of their weapon. If you think it's balanced strap on a caldari suit and tell me that.''
Caldari is the only Suit that has complete weakness to the SCR (and scouts).
ANYHOW, i've seen 500+ Armor Cal assaults, but then if you do this you will be complaining about RR or CR.....Quote:'' lucky for you guys it;s not popular'' Of course its not popular, its a weapon that takes skill + situational awareness.
I really like you here in the forums and you are a great player, but dont be hating on our SCR just because your PROTO DROP-SUITS cant take a couple of Charged shots from behind... ;)
Haha i'm not hating man, i was just in a bad mood after the RR damage nerf and the Caldari assault bonus ( reload ) announcements.
I know the ScR is a balanced weapon, well against most suits except mine unfortunately, like i said i just had a little lash out. Apologies |
KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4534
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Posted - 2014.02.09 04:15:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:
Then what is the point of weapons like the burst AR and TAC AR if they are just weak versions of other guns? .
That with only SP into AR's you can still use something SIMILAR to the SCR.....
Think of low level players here.
Oh wait, nobody does that in these forums....
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4534
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Posted - 2014.02.09 04:16:00 -
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straya fox wrote:
Haha i'm not hating man, i was just in a bad mood after the RR damage nerf and the Caldari assault bonus ( reload ) announcements.
I know the ScR is a balanced weapon, well against most suits except mine unfortunately, like i said i just had a little lash out. Apologies
Accepted.
/Also check this out and have a saying about CAldari Assault Bonus:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=141123&find=unread
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1574
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Posted - 2014.02.09 20:52:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:shaman oga wrote:I've decided to test it tonight, ROF is impressive, damage too, it deserves a nerf. I've said it before I'll say it again, do not try and balance these weapons from a single PUBLIC game going against newer players, idiotic Shield Tankers, MLT and STD suits, or dumbasses in general; the environment of Public Contracts are too shrouded in uncertainty. Balance must be made in PC matches where; just because you have a Viziam doesn't mean you start "shitting on noobs", its a whole other ball game when you look at the highest tier suits and weapons in action against each other, which is something that not all Dust players get to experience. Too bad Molden Heath is locked up like a chinese finger trap.. I will restate: Stop trying to balance weapons based on performance in pub games, it just perpetuates this idiotic nerf/buff cycle were stuck in because less than idiotic players figure out what the powerful thing is and the idiots die to them and cry.
It was a STD scr with a STD suits.
PC players don't have special resistances for shield or armor, 10 damage in PC is equal to 10 damage in public, same for ROF.
A good balance works from pubs to PC.
BTW, i've found that have cold hands really decrease the power of the Scr rifle 
1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
2326
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Posted - 2014.02.09 20:56:00 -
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My trigger finger is all natural.
Well I do use a little dubstep to help :]
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
6811
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Posted - 2014.02.09 21:05:00 -
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I love how everyone talks like the only good/useful ScR is the Viziam.
The Carthum absolutely wrecks our to 50-60m.
I LUV DAT GUN!
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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