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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.07 21:25:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I'm getting real sick and tired of people coming on these forums and accusing SCR users of being modded controller users. It's really starting to come across as an excuse and general butt hurt by the lesser skilled DUST population.
Not all SCR users use modded controllers - personally I see no need for it. If you got killed by a SCR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following.
1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some plates on that sucker
2) You're standing still in the open - You're a SCR user's wet dream
3) You're in a shield tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one
4) The SCR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled
Sorry to burst your bubble, but some players are just more skilled with it than others; if you die to one before you even know what is going on, don't immediately label them as a "modded controller user," maybe they have just been using it since 5.14.13 and is their bread and butter.
Plus a modded ScR will overheat/stop firing in about a second, meaning if he/she misses a couple of times he/she is now helpless for 5-6 seconds.
Also, a CR would be more deadly with a properly modded controller, it does a full 25% more damage per trigger pull, can fire for 3 seconds straight, and doesn't overheat.
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
413
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Posted - 2014.02.07 21:55:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:My only beef with SCR is your ability to out Burst-DPS a shotgun/cr/knife user that can't 1hko you and your 1100 HP.
You can instantly deal 1700 damage(thats my average OH- at 16 shots, dealing 78 damage base, not to mention the buildup of tiers and dmg mods)
You have high ehp, ALONG WITH supreme gank.
The very existence of Amarr outmodes any reason for running a minmatar setup.
#1 you assume a modded controller.
If you do some goolge searching, you will find average clicks-per-second at 5.0-6.0, meaning that the ScR is doing 430 DPS at standard for the non-cheaters.
If you also use this trigger speed for the CR, you will notice that it does 576 DPS.
The difference beyond the OVERWHELMING DPS ADVANTAGE the CR has for non-cheaters? The CR will not overheat... period. The ScR will overheat in under 3 seconds, and you will be defenseless for another 5-6 seconds afterwards.
So to recap:
Unless you use a turbo controller
CR > ScR DPS
CR > ScR skill required
CR > ScR overheat
CR > ScR sustained DPS (more than double)
CR > ScR fitting requirements
ScR > CR charged shot
ScR > CR range.
Yeah that looks just a bit one sided.
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
414
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Posted - 2014.02.07 22:24:00 -
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You know Lynn:
I know for some reason you are super anti-amarr and all but why are you looking at the problem of modded controllers and thinking, "Nerf amarr?"
If you were to say suggest to cap the RoF for all single shot weapons at say 400 RPM (6.666 rounds per second) I could get on board. The reasoning behind this would be apparent: Nerf any advantage turbo controllers get from weapon RoF.
But no, you hate amarr (which no one thinks is overpowered) sooo much that you instantly jump to "nerf amarr."
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
420
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Posted - 2014.02.08 05:38:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:CR > ScR ease of use
CR > ScR overheat
CR > ScR sustained DPS (more than double)
CR > ScR fitting requirements
CR > ScR DPS (+50%) when not cheating
ScR > CR can hold charge shot indefinitely without overheating
ScR > CR DPS only if using a turbo controller
ScR > CR range.
Yeah that looks pretty even to me. Fixed*
Fixed back. ScR will only out-DPS a CR with the use of a turbo controller, otherwise you just can't pull the trigger fast enough.
Oh and reduced duplicated line (charged shot and charged shot)
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
420
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Posted - 2014.02.08 05:43:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:I'm getting real sick and tired of people coming on these forums and accusing SCR users of being modded controller users. It's really starting to come across as an excuse and general butt hurt by the lesser skilled DUST population.
Not all SCR users use modded controllers - personally I see no need for it. If you got killed by a SCR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following.
1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some plates on that sucker
2) You're standing still in the open - You're a SCR user's wet dream
3) You're in a shield tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one
4) The SCR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled
Sorry to burst your bubble, but some players are just more skilled with it than others; if you die to one before you even know what is going on, don't immediately label them as a "modded controller user," maybe they have just been using it since 5.14.13 and is their bread and butter. LOLLOLOLOL... watch this: If you got killed by a CR faster than your mind could register it is probably due to one or more of the following. 1) You're in a low HP suit and got OHK'ed - I'd recommend you slap some shield extenders on that sucker 2) You're standing still in the open - You're a CR user's wet dream 3) You're in an armor tanked suit - yes this is similar to number one 4) The CR user that killed you is simply proficient in this weapon and has become very deadly with it - in short he/she is better than you and you got out skilled so, why does everyone scream OP on CR when SCR = CR, but SCR has more range?
Because without cheating (modded controller) you can get 640 DPS out of it with NO SKILLS, no overheat, barely any fitting cost, and decent range.
To contrast, without a modded controller you are looking at between 400 and 500 DPS from the ScR (which is still too high.)
CR =/= ScR... CR >>>> ScR.
There is no other rifle in-game that can kill my rep-tanked heavy suit before I turn around other than a CR.
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
420
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Posted - 2014.02.08 05:47:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:xSir Campsalotx wrote:You sir are an exception, like saying no one makes it to the NBA of course it's untrue i made the statement to point out the rarity of a skilled user. An exaggeration if you will. Which is nowadays actually pretty common. People just flock into the easiest weapon to kill with to cover for the lack of skill vs more skilled players.This is common, not only in DUST514. I was mostly referring to my personal experience, people have actually accused me of using modded controllers , EVEN when they get 1HKO'd by a single charged shot to the head. I mean.Im sorry,but thats just the way it is, the SCR rifle provides a good incentive for good aiming, and believe me, achieving this constantly with a 400HP amarr assault even Vs proto takes, maybe not skill (im not an 3p33n stroker ) But definitely PRACTICE....... man you dnt use a 400 ehp amar suit. My squad and I played you the other day. You were running full advanced gear and Heavy suits with ADV scramblers and possibly damage mods (I know because I had a 1300 ehp heavy get reduced to 400hp from your scramblers) in that galente map. You kept charging objective B (the elevated one) from the CRU. either way. If this holds true for a scambler rifle then the CR could never be OP because it is like a Scr with more downsides and less range.
So what were the CR downside compared to the ScR again?
fitting? no CR has lol fitting
damage?? no CR does + 25% more damage per trigger pull
Dying from overheating?? no that is a ScR only thing
Damage before overheat?? no, once again only a ScR thing
Balanced damage profiles?? No CR does an average of 102.5% damage, compared with 100% for everyone else
Oh right... it has slightly less range and no charged shot.....
Yep, CR has sooooooo many downsides.
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
421
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Posted - 2014.02.08 06:27:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Haha, i love it when all the Amarr mafia come out in defense of their weapon. If you think it's balanced strap on a caldari suit and tell me that.
If as many people liked and used it as much as the rail rifle then it would be getting stomped into the ground, lucky for you guys it;s not popular.
Scrambler rifle has been the same since it was introduced 8+ months ago....
explain why it has never been a huge FotM gun......
*Also, I do think the RoF should be nerfed to like 400 RPM btw, everything else about the rifle is fully balanced versus the AR
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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