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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2430
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:25:00 -
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Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were.
Who agrees, who disagrees and why.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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CrotchGrab 360
The Men In The Mirror
1387
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:35:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were.
Who agrees, who disagrees and why.
I agree but not on a personal level, only because it destroys what little positive new player experience there is.
I don't care myself, ADV scrambler rifle makes people in protos 180 and run away.
Grinding the rest of the SP out for complex damage mods today, then protos beware  |
darkiller240
WarRavens
League of Infamy
310
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:38:00 -
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Its best just to put, STd battles, ADv battles and Pro battle.
In that way You can make a profit in a pro battle
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:40:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were.
Who agrees, who disagrees and why.
The differnce between the adv and pro amar logi is minimal
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter militia frame,
Templar set
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2430
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:41:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were.
Who agrees, who disagrees and why. I agree but not on a personal level, only because it destroys what little positive new player experience there is. I don't care myself, ADV scrambler rifle makes people in protos 180 and run away. Grinding the rest of the SP out for complex damage mods today, then protos beware
Precisely yeah.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
47
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:43:00 -
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I'm on the line when it comes to proto in pubs. There's only one protosuit I use for pubs and that's so I can swarm effectively but I have plenty of fits that use complex extenders/reps and my logi always uses proto rep tool, even on the cheap fit. So while it is annoying being stomped by full proto squads, where is the cut-off point between stomping and just being more effective?
If I use a proto suit and weapon but ADV mods is that stomping? How about an ADV suit and weapon but proto mods? Or a proto weapon on a militia suit? Sure a full proto set-up is the definitive stomp fit, but at what point does it stop being a good fit and become a stomper?
And also other points such as matchmaking/lack of game types that make stomping so easy etc etc. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2430
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:43:00 -
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NK Scout wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were.
Who agrees, who disagrees and why. The differnce between the adv and pro amar logi is minimal
Yeah, what's your point?
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5976
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:43:00 -
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Can't disallow proto in pubs, disallowing anything is bad. You just need to make it so running proto in pubs is less appealing. The problem stems from two reasons,
1) PC generates too much ISK, many people can run proto all day every day without giving it a second thought
2) FW isn't enticing enough. CCP thought if they gave players and ISK sink they would sink the ISK, but no one is going to sink ISK just for the sake of it. Most would rather do pubs which rewards better.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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Storm Shelton
Ethereal Horizon
15
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:44:00 -
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Well, I agree with you on the terms of pub stomping. It does get a bit too ridiculous with certain individuals who exploit every OP asset available, All the time.
Nonetheless, It is a realism of Dust514 and you will have to accommodate to the challenge, As I'm sure you already have.
For example:
I do not play ambush past 9:00 P.M. (EST). Reason? Nyain San is pubbing with tanks, tanks & Oh did I mention tanks?
Its a strategy they employ and I don't feel like losing my 350k Logi suits for no cause, So I will play Skimishes or Dominations unless for some odd reason I'm feeling lucky. (That is usually accompanied by lots of alcohol)
Its just one of the realities on Dust you have to face and accept.
Good day sir! o7
You're saying its a bad idea?
Well stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.
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Marad''er
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
643
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:46:00 -
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Naaa.. Squads that proto stomp will still stomp regardless.
PVE is answer to everything tho.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2430
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:46:00 -
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Storm Shelton wrote:Well, I agree with you on the terms of pub stomping. It does get a bit too ridiculous with certain individuals who exploit every OP asset available, All the time.
Nonetheless, It is a realism of Dust514 and you will have to accommodate to the challenge, As I'm sure you already have.
For example:
I do not play ambush past 9:00 P.M. (EST). Reason? Nyain San is pubbing with tanks, tanks & Oh did I mention tanks?
Its a strategy they employ and I don't feel like losing my 350k Logi suits for no cause, So I will play Skimishes or Dominations unless for some odd reason I'm feeling lucky. (That is usually accompanied by lots of alcohol)
Its just one of the realities on Dust you have to face and accept.
Good day sir! o7
No its not, the devs build the game on our feedback, the 1.8 stat changes are a clear example.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:47:00 -
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Storm Shelton wrote:Well, I agree with you on the terms of pub stomping. It does get a bit too ridiculous with certain individuals who exploit every OP asset available, All the time.
Nonetheless, It is a realism of Dust514 and you will have to accommodate to the challenge, As I'm sure you already have.
For example:
I do not play ambush past 9:00 P.M. (EST). Reason? Nyain San is pubbing with tanks, tanks & Oh did I mention tanks?
Its a strategy they employ and I don't feel like losing my 350k Logi suits for no cause, So I will play Skimishes or Dominations unless for some odd reason I'm feeling lucky. (That is usually accompanied by lots of alcohol)
Its just one of the realities on Dust you have to face and accept.
Good day sir! o7
Dude, DUDE! 350k on ONE suit! Wtf take off that pro weapon and put a adv weapon
Take off a pro sidearm with a adv one
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter militia frame,
Templar set
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
239
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:55:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were.
Who agrees, who disagrees and why.
I think that more sense and impact on gameplay have separating KB/M players from DS3 ones.
CCP already took steps(as always) on balancing gameplay on pub matches by introducing LP shop with give playe early access to proto stuff.
I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
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Storm Shelton
Ethereal Horizon
15
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Posted - 2014.01.26 10:58:00 -
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No. Being a Logi that actually keeps the squad alive requires the best.
Playing with my ADV suit equipped with ADV equipment doesn't quite hit the spot.
Nothing like repping up two heavies at the same time on battlefront. Can't do that with my ADV gear.
You're saying its a bad idea?
Well stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2432
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:01:00 -
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Storm Shelton wrote:No. Being a Logi that actually keeps the squad alive requires the best.
Playing with my ADV suit equipped with ADV equipment doesn't quite hit the spot.
Nothing like repping up two heavies at the same time on battlefront. Can't do that with my ADV gear.
Haha, I know all about the pain of being a logi with nubs leading me to my death, its horrible. 
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1681
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:01:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were.
Who agrees, who disagrees and why.
I disagree. The game shouldn't be about limitations at every corner. It should allow you to use Proto all the time if you want. Limitations are the wrong way to go. Fixed matchmaking should fix that problem anyways. But we don't know when that comes.
Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:02:00 -
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Storm Shelton wrote:No. Being a Logi that actually keeps the squad alive requires the best.
Playing with my ADV suit equipped with ADV equipment doesn't quite hit the spot.
Nothing like repping up two heavies at the same time on battlefront. Can't do that with my ADV gear.
Never said stop using proto suits just your 2proto weps
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter militia frame,
Templar set
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2432
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:02:00 -
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I'm starting to feel less guilty, keep the disagreements coming. 
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Velishe
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:03:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:Naaa.. Squads that proto stomp will still stomp regardless.
PVE is answer to everything tho.
I came back hoping to see PvE content in the game because fighting in these battles as a solo is a joke. I don't play enough to be in a corp so there is no point in joining one.
I have seen the tank squads and proto squads you speak of and they do faceroll the newbies with ease. There needs to be a cut off point or to segregate the different tiers of suits and equipment.
I would say add a hidden point range to the different tiers say at 0 to 100 points you can go into a standard fitted battle
100 to 1000 advanced
1000 to 2000 prototype battles.
The points for the tiers could go something like
50 for advanced suits and 20 for the equipment of advanced stats.
100 for prototype suits and 50 for the prototype equipment.
This way if you make a suit with to high a point range you will be moved to the next battle up and wont be able to compete against the new players in militia equipment. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2432
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:05:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were.
Who agrees, who disagrees and why. I disagree. The game shouldn't be about limitations at every corner. It should allow you to use Proto all the time if you want. Limitations are the wrong way to go. Fixed matchmaking should fix that problem anyways. But we don't know when that comes.
How could that work considering the many variables of mods, suits, sp etc. Doesn't matchmaking do precisely what you stated is wrong? It would limit who plays with who far more than simply disallowing proto. Just saying.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Teilka Darkmist
76
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:06:00 -
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Doesn't really matter what we think about it, CCP aren't going to ban anything from any game mode. Not without a very good lore reason behind it. As far as I know the closest they've ever come to this is making it so Capital ships can't go to certain parts of space, which makes sense as stargates can't jump them around, you need jump drives and cynos to do that.
Proto suits on the other hand, are just a more advanced version of the advanced suits, they have a bit more armour, a bit more shields, more slots and a higher PG and CPU output. There is no lore reason to disallow them from certain types of games.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Storm Shelton
Ethereal Horizon
17
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:06:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Haha, I know all about the pain of being a logi with nubs leading me to my death, its horrible.
Yes sir! The good ol' "ISK vs. Doing your job" gig.
Never gets old.
You're saying its a bad idea?
Well stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2433
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:09:00 -
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Storm Shelton wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Haha, I know all about the pain of being a logi with nubs leading me to my death, its horrible. Yes sir! The good ol' "ISK vs. Bending over occasionally" gig. Never gets old.
Fixed mate
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Storm Shelton
Ethereal Horizon
19
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:10:00 -
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NK Scout wrote:
Never said stop using proto suits just your 2proto weps
LOL  I wish I could. Gotta have the proto weapon to defend myself in case I end up in a tight spot. Like blues taking cover behind me when I'm repairing their armor and there is reds incoming.
Not good at all.
You're saying its a bad idea?
Well stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
2147
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:11:00 -
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Go ahead and ban proto stuff in pubs. Then every 1 will truely invincible in their militia tanks.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2433
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:11:00 -
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Storm Shelton wrote:NK Scout wrote:
Never said stop using proto suits just your 2proto weps
LOL I wish I could. Gotta have the proto weapon to defend myself in case I end up in a tight spot. Like blues taking cover behind me when I'm repairing their armor and there is reds incoming. Not good at all.
This is going off topic but meh, heavies that try to hide behind you when you are repping them. 
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Storm Shelton
Ethereal Horizon
19
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:12:00 -
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Yes. Why I do believe that makes more sense these days. hahaha
You're saying its a bad idea?
Well stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2433
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:14:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Go ahead and ban proto stuff in pubs. Then every 1 will truely invincible in their militia tanks.
That's a bit of a hype but a good point nonetheless.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Storm Shelton
Ethereal Horizon
19
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:18:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:This is going off topic but meh, heavies that try to hide behind you when you are repping them.
Yes
They have double my HP, Even when they are taking fire. BUT! It just makes more sense to hide behind the lesser HP Logi and let the Rep Trooper get riddled with holes.
You're saying its a bad idea?
Well stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:19:00 -
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Storm Shelton wrote:NK Scout wrote:
Never said stop using proto suits just your 2proto weps
LOL I wish I could. Gotta have the proto weapon to defend myself in case I end up in a tight spot. Like blues taking cover behind me when I'm repairing their armor and there is reds incoming. Not good at all.
Use a adv weqpon
Just as effective but alot cheaper
Continue wasting isk
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter militia frame,
Templar set
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