DUST Search - Disallowing proto in pubs?

kiarbanor wrote:

Tech, I'm still of the mindset that all CCP needs to do is change the reward system in pub matches. What I mean is that if someone is wearing a Starter Fit and kills a proto, he should get more than 50 points. If someone in proto kills a starter fit, he should get way less than 50 points.

Those war points turn into ISK and SP. So, you will actually earn more ISK and more SP if you don't wear proto.

I don't think we can have a "militia/standard" only game mode any more because we just don't have a player base big enough.

I think this reward system can easily be attached to how much a fitting costs ; this can apply to vehicles, too. Let's say you always get 50% of the value of the fitting in war points. So, if I kill a 300k proto suit, I get 150 WPs. And the lowest you can get is like 20 WPs (if I kill a full BPO fitting that costs nothing). It would change the complexity of pub games.

This allows people to proto stomp all they want, but those people getting stomped have an incentive to go after those protos and not hide and Sit in the MCC.

I'll be interested what faults people find in this; we've talked about it for a long time in Se\7eN.


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TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2430	Posted - 2014.01.26 10:25:00 - [1] - Quote Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were. Who agrees, who disagrees and why. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2430	Posted - 2014.01.26 10:41:00 - [2] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were. Who agrees, who disagrees and why. I agree but not on a personal level, only because it destroys what little positive new player experience there is. I don't care myself, ADV scrambler rifle makes people in protos 180 and run away. Grinding the rest of the SP out for complex damage mods today, then protos beware Precisely yeah. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2430	Posted - 2014.01.26 10:43:00 - [3] - Quote NK Scout wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were. Who agrees, who disagrees and why. The differnce between the adv and pro amar logi is minimal Yeah, what's your point? Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2430	Posted - 2014.01.26 10:46:00 - [4] - Quote Storm Shelton wrote: Well, I agree with you on the terms of pub stomping. It does get a bit too ridiculous with certain individuals who exploit every OP asset available, All the time. Nonetheless, It is a realism of Dust514 and you will have to accommodate to the challenge, As I'm sure you already have. For example: I do not play ambush past 9:00 P.M. (EST). Reason? Nyain San is pubbing with tanks, tanks & Oh did I mention tanks? Its a strategy they employ and I don't feel like losing my 350k Logi suits for no cause, So I will play Skimishes or Dominations unless for some odd reason I'm feeling lucky. (That is usually accompanied by lots of alcohol) Its just one of the realities on Dust you have to face and accept. Good day sir! o7 No its not, the devs build the game on our feedback, the 1.8 stat changes are a clear example. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2432	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:01:00 - [5] - Quote Storm Shelton wrote: No. Being a Logi that actually keeps the squad alive requires the best. Playing with my ADV suit equipped with ADV equipment doesn't quite hit the spot. Nothing like repping up two heavies at the same time on battlefront. Can't do that with my ADV gear. Haha, I know all about the pain of being a logi with nubs leading me to my death, its horrible. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2432	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:02:00 - [6] - Quote I'm starting to feel less guilty, keep the disagreements coming. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2432	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:05:00 - [7] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were. Who agrees, who disagrees and why. I disagree. The game shouldn't be about limitations at every corner. It should allow you to use Proto all the time if you want. Limitations are the wrong way to go. Fixed matchmaking should fix that problem anyways. But we don't know when that comes. How could that work considering the many variables of mods, suits, sp etc. Doesn't matchmaking do precisely what you stated is wrong? It would limit who plays with who far more than simply disallowing proto. Just saying. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2433	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:09:00 - [8] - Quote Storm Shelton wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Haha, I know all about the pain of being a logi with nubs leading me to my death, its horrible. Yes sir! The good ol' "ISK vs. Bending over occasionally" gig. Never gets old. Fixed mate Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2433	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:11:00 - [9] - Quote Storm Shelton wrote: NK Scout wrote: Never said stop using proto suits just your 2proto weps LOL I wish I could. Gotta have the proto weapon to defend myself in case I end up in a tight spot. Like blues taking cover behind me when I'm repairing their armor and there is reds incoming. Not good at all. This is going off topic but meh, heavies that try to hide behind you when you are repping them. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2433	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:14:00 - [10] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Go ahead and ban proto stuff in pubs. Then every 1 will truely invincible in their militia tanks. That's a bit of a hype but a good point nonetheless. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2441	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:29:00 - [11] - Quote Cool. I Tech do solemnly declare that I shall go back to running pure proto and that my corp mates must do so as well. I will not take mercy on the blue berries, I shall dispense my wrath with my amarr logi, cal assault and min assault, all at proto, so help me dust. Nuff isk. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2441	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:34:00 - [12] - Quote And so it was written, on this day of our pwnage 26/1/2014, engraved on the holy chalice that is the forums. Democratically discussed and with great consideration. Fk those bches and farm that sht. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2445	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:03:00 - [13] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Its not the gear thats stomping ppl its the squads of players that know what they are doing and multiply each others affect on the battlefield, the best players in std gear are still the best players the difference is a handful of HP and a few extra points of damage per bullet. If you want pub matches to be more fun you need to hit CCP up on their match makers distribution of squads, or look at limiting the squads in pub matches. Iv sworn an oath to go back to proto stomping, fk em. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2454	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:33:00 - [14] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cool. I Tech do solemnly declare that I shall go back to running pure proto and that my corp mates must do so as well. I will not take mercy on the blue berries, I shall dispense my wrath with my amarr logi, cal assault and min assault, all at proto, so help me dust. Nuff isk. For those that missed it lol. No more guilt, no more mercy or compassion, just butt r@pe. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2454	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:01:00 - [15] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were. Who agrees, who disagrees and why. You mean Proto suits or Proto/complex stuff ? Proto suits with complex mods and proto weapons. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2454	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:03:00 - [16] - Quote NK Scout wrote: an amar logi gets 1 slot from adv to pro and it gets used for a 2nd rep, with 250k isk you can get 4, not much with nyan spam, scanner spam, grenade spam, CR spam, and other crap i say proto is slightly overpriced for competitiveness against decent players Yeah but more CPU and pg to fit better mods, the amarr most definitely doesn't gain that much but its got the sidearm all the way now instead of just getting it at proto like it used to. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2455	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:07:00 - [17] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: NK Scout wrote: an amar logi gets 1 slot from adv to pro and it gets used for a 2nd rep, with 250k isk you can get 4, not much with nyan spam, scanner spam, grenade spam, CR spam, and other crap i say proto is slightly overpriced for competitiveness against decent players It is more as a stats padding suit than anything in pubs lol Its a beast for heavy hugging. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2455	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:11:00 - [18] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: So what about those of us who don't do FW, PC? we're just supposed to get screwed out of all the SP and isk we sunk into suits? Let me add it's not the gear that's the problem it's the matchmaking. They are both factors, run a std fit with std mods and a std weapon etc, play like that for a good while and then switch to proto, you will see. We'd not bother with proto if it didn't give an edge. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2455	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:17:00 - [19] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: So tech, what proto shall we wear tonight? I'll be running my proto amarr logi with some complex damage mods, 1 complex shield extender, complex plates, proto combat rifle of either variant with all adv equipment. Medic logi - stack hp, injector, triarge hives, rep tool Combat logi - 2 complex damage mods, 1 complex shield, adv scanner, quantum hives and cheeks blush a stable uplink hahahaha, can't quite fit a decent uplink without sacrificing my proto cr. Plates. I'll be running medic mostly though. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2455	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:30:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Proto suits with complex mods and proto weapons. So if we can't use Complex Damage Mods, what are we supposed to do against a tank? Ignore it and hang about farming the sht out of reds where the tanks can't go. Or get a sica with a railgun. Or get 3 people with av to blow it up, we do it regularly if we feel like it but tanks can easily be ignored in pubs. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2455	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:37:00 - [21] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: So what about those of us who don't do FW, PC? we're just supposed to get screwed out of all the SP and isk we sunk into suits? Let me add it's not the gear that's the problem it's the matchmaking. They are both factors, run a std fit with std mods and a std weapon etc, play like that for a good while and then switch to proto, you will see. We'd not bother with proto if it didn't give an edge. My average fits are 40-60k and I run solo, I can do just as well or just as bad in proto. The good or bad depends on what side of the rout I am on. lopsided teams are the single biggest determining factor. Yeah most can bashing newbs and agreed. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2460	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:38:00 - [22] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Tech, I'm still of the mindset that all CCP needs to do is change the reward system in pub matches. What I mean is that if someone is wearing a Starter Fit and kills a proto, he should get more than 50 points. If someone in proto kills a starter fit, he should get way less than 50 points. Those war points turn into ISK and SP. So, you will actually earn more ISK and more SP if you don't wear proto. I don't think we can have a "militia/standard" only game mode any more because we just don't have a player base big enough. I think this reward system can easily be attached to how much a fitting costs ; this can apply to vehicles, too. Let's say you always get 50% of the value of the fitting in war points. So, if I kill a 300k proto suit, I get 150 WPs. And the lowest you can get is like 20 WPs (if I kill a full BPO fitting that costs nothing). It would change the complexity of pub games. This allows people to proto stomp all they want, but those people getting stomped have an incentive to go after those protos and not hide and Sit in the MCC. I'll be interested what faults people find in this; we've talked about it for a long time in Se\7eN. Fair play. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2460	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:39:00 - [23] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Proto suits with complex mods and proto weapons. So if we can't use Complex Damage Mods, what are we supposed to do against a tank? Ignore it and hang about farming the sht out of reds where the tanks can't go. Or get a sica with a railgun. Or get 3 people with av to blow it up, we do it regularly if we feel like it but tanks can easily be ignored in pubs. It's not very often tanks can't get to the area of the objectives. Your strategy might be to sit back and lose but some of use like to win. Swamp is grinding isk for pc, we don't care too much about winning pubs, just farming. And that's on ccp for giving no alternative, our outlook on pubs is that its just a pub match, meh. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2460	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:45:00 - [24] - Quote LJG XX wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: So tech, what proto shall we wear tonight? I'll be running my proto amarr logi with some complex damage mods, 1 complex shield extender, complex plates, proto combat rifle of either variant with all adv equipment. Medic logi - stack hp, injector, triarge hives, rep tool Combat logi - 2 complex damage mods, 1 complex shield, adv scanner, quantum hives and cheeks blush a stable uplink hahahaha, can't quite fit a decent uplink without sacrificing my proto cr. Plates. I'll be running medic mostly though. I take it you'll be running medic mate? Yeah defo. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2460	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:47:00 - [25] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Where else would you use proto if you're not in an active corporation? You just beat dust, here's a like Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2467	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:53:00 - [26] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were. Who agrees, who disagrees and why. Disagree. Your playstyle does not equal other peoples play style. Any fun had within the confines of the allowed game mechanics should not be demonized. I proto stomp... Adv stomp... And bpo stomp. I'm not even near the upper echelon of players. The fact is, if you get your way and they remove proto from pubs, you and your ilk will be crying for squads to be removed next. Its not 'my way' though is it? Many want this and if you read the whole thread you'd see that I'm going back to using my proto. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2471	Posted - 2014.01.27 21:00:00 - [27] - Quote Thread TLDR. We want to run proto, fk you new players, thats on ccp not us. The difference between proto and std is minimal, that's why we can totally run std in pc and still own. There needs to be isk gain alternatives. This is new Eden htfu. Academy time needs to be longer. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic