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TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2445	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:03:00 - [61] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Its not the gear thats stomping ppl its the squads of players that know what they are doing and multiply each others affect on the battlefield, the best players in std gear are still the best players the difference is a handful of HP and a few extra points of damage per bullet. If you want pub matches to be more fun you need to hit CCP up on their match makers distribution of squads, or look at limiting the squads in pub matches. Iv sworn an oath to go back to proto stomping, fk em. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 989	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:28:00 - [62] - Quote Better matchmaking is the answer. Removing Proto from Pubs won't have. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 265	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:31:00 - [63] - Quote you could just take out a basic minmitar scout with a kr-17 breach shotgun, a complex damage mod, and double dampeners, RE's, and reap the tears Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 629	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:35:00 - [64] - Quote Rizlax Yazzax wrote: I'm on the line when it comes to proto in pubs. There's only one protosuit I use for pubs and that's so I can swarm effectively but I have plenty of fits that use complex extenders/reps and my logi always uses proto rep tool, even on the cheap fit. So while it is annoying being stomped by full proto squads, where is the cut-off point between stomping and just being more effective? If I use a proto suit and weapon but ADV mods is that stomping? How about an ADV suit and weapon but proto mods? Or a proto weapon on a militia suit? Sure a full proto set-up is the definitive stomp fit, but at what point does it stop being a good fit and become a stomper? And also other points such as matchmaking/lack of game types that make stomping so easy etc etc. When it becomes a problem is the same pricks every day over and over again, that's the problem. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 629	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:39:00 - [65] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were. Who agrees, who disagrees and why. I think that more sense and impact on gameplay have separating KB/M players from DS3 ones. CCP already took steps(as always) on balancing gameplay on pub matches by introducing LP shop with give players early access to proto stuff. Getting proto gear with lvl3 skills is not the same as true proto with lvl5 skills, core skills make the suit and weapons most effective. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CELTIC TARON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:46:00 - [66] - Quote If you don't like getting proto stomped then bring out your own proto we earned our gear so we use it. Why else would we use Proto other than because we can afford to do so. As to those getting stomped we all went through it grit your teeth bare through it and less QQ more Pew Pew. Eventually you'll be able to afford to run non stop proto yourself. For those that think yay i'm in a cheap suit killing proto's just remember depending on the player and corp they belong to, you are not affecting their wallet. I happen to know of a few people who have isk into the BILLIONS as individual players not corps. PC Tanker AND PROUD! Especially When I Shove A Missile Up Your Arse! Yes Militia need adjusted Long Live Tanks :)
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3186	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:54:00 - [67] - Quote CELTIC TARON wrote: If you don't like getting proto stomped then bring out your own proto we earned our gear so we use it. Why else would we use Proto other than because we can afford to do so. As to those getting stomped we all went through it grit your teeth bare through it and less QQ more Pew Pew. Eventually you'll be able to afford to run non stop proto yourself. For those that think yay i'm in a cheap suit killing proto's just remember depending on the player and corp they belong to, you are not affecting their wallet. I happen to know of a few people who have isk into the BILLIONS as individual players not corps. Looks at corp Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3968	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:57:00 - [68] - Quote As long as my modules and equipment are still allowed, then sure. But my modules aren't Prototype. They're Complex. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons To create a vehicle free environment. There can only be one!
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 91	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:06:00 - [69] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: CELTIC TARON wrote: If you don't like getting proto stomped then bring out your own proto we earned our gear so we use it. Why else would we use Proto other than because we can afford to do so. As to those getting stomped we all went through it grit your teeth bare through it and less QQ more Pew Pew. Eventually you'll be able to afford to run non stop proto yourself. For those that think yay i'm in a cheap suit killing proto's just remember depending on the player and corp they belong to, you are not affecting their wallet. I happen to know of a few people who have isk into the BILLIONS as individual players not corps. Looks at corp the same alliance as, that corp that spams everything in ambush, hmm, they also pay people not to attack them...... 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter militia frame, Templar set
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 91	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:08:00 - [70] - Quote Atiim wrote: As long as my modules and equipment are still allowed, then sure. But my modules aren't Prototype. They're Complex. there can only be one! kills with militia railgun brings out blaster tank 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter militia frame, Templar set

CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 632	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:27:00 - [71] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: And so it was written, on this day of our pwnage 26/1/2014, engraved on the holy chalice that is the forums. Democratically discussed and with great consideration. Fk those bches and farm that sht. Using your term, Quality. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2454	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:33:00 - [72] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cool. I Tech do solemnly declare that I shall go back to running pure proto and that my corp mates must do so as well. I will not take mercy on the blue berries, I shall dispense my wrath with my amarr logi, cal assault and min assault, all at proto, so help me dust. Nuff isk. For those that missed it lol. No more guilt, no more mercy or compassion, just butt r@pe. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Azura Sakura Altyr Initiative 575	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:33:00 - [73] - Quote I'm for a better match making system. I am mainly against proto stomping because of the low players base, new players, and 16 v 16 battles. If this game was like 32v32 or 64v64 or w/e. I would care less about the new players because it will require team work to win battles.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 92	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:38:00 - [74] - Quote an amar logi gets 1 slot from adv to pro and it gets used for a 2nd rep, with 250k isk you can get 4, not much with nyan spam, scanner spam, grenade spam, CR spam, and other crap i say proto is slightly overpriced for competitiveness against decent players 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter militia frame, Templar set
Azura Sakura Altyr Initiative 575	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:40:00 - [75] - Quote NK Scout wrote: an amar logi gets 1 slot from adv to pro and it gets used for a 2nd rep, with 250k isk you can get 4, not much with nyan spam, scanner spam, grenade spam, CR spam, and other crap i say proto is slightly overpriced for competitiveness against decent players It is more as a stats padding suit than anything in pubs lol
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 346	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:40:00 - [76] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were. Who agrees, who disagrees and why. You mean Proto suits or Proto/complex stuff ?
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 94	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:45:00 - [77] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: NK Scout wrote: an amar logi gets 1 slot from adv to pro and it gets used for a 2nd rep, with 250k isk you can get 4, not much with nyan spam, scanner spam, grenade spam, CR spam, and other crap i say proto is slightly overpriced for competitiveness against decent players It is more as a stats padding suit than anything in pubs lol i tried a imperial pro suit, it only has more reps and a 3rd extender, not much difference for the price increase maybe when i get lvl 5 i can use 3 plates? 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter militia frame, Templar set
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2454	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:01:00 - [78] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were. Who agrees, who disagrees and why. You mean Proto suits or Proto/complex stuff ? Proto suits with complex mods and proto weapons. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2454	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:03:00 - [79] - Quote NK Scout wrote: an amar logi gets 1 slot from adv to pro and it gets used for a 2nd rep, with 250k isk you can get 4, not much with nyan spam, scanner spam, grenade spam, CR spam, and other crap i say proto is slightly overpriced for competitiveness against decent players Yeah but more CPU and pg to fit better mods, the amarr most definitely doesn't gain that much but its got the sidearm all the way now instead of just getting it at proto like it used to. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 479	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:05:00 - [80] - Quote So what about those of us who don't do FW, PC? we're just supposed to get screwed out of all the SP and isk we sunk into suits? Let me add it's not the gear that's the problem it's the matchmaking. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2455	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:07:00 - [81] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: NK Scout wrote: an amar logi gets 1 slot from adv to pro and it gets used for a 2nd rep, with 250k isk you can get 4, not much with nyan spam, scanner spam, grenade spam, CR spam, and other crap i say proto is slightly overpriced for competitiveness against decent players It is more as a stats padding suit than anything in pubs lol Its a beast for heavy hugging. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2455	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:11:00 - [82] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: So what about those of us who don't do FW, PC? we're just supposed to get screwed out of all the SP and isk we sunk into suits? Let me add it's not the gear that's the problem it's the matchmaking. They are both factors, run a std fit with std mods and a std weapon etc, play like that for a good while and then switch to proto, you will see. We'd not bother with proto if it didn't give an edge. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 637	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:12:00 - [83] - Quote So tech, what proto shall we wear tonight? CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2455	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:17:00 - [84] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: So tech, what proto shall we wear tonight? I'll be running my proto amarr logi with some complex damage mods, 1 complex shield extender, complex plates, proto combat rifle of either variant with all adv equipment. Medic logi - stack hp, injector, triarge hives, rep tool Combat logi - 2 complex damage mods, 1 complex shield, adv scanner, quantum hives and cheeks blush a stable uplink hahahaha, can't quite fit a decent uplink without sacrificing my proto cr. Plates. I'll be running medic mostly though. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3975	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:26:00 - [85] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Proto suits with complex mods and proto weapons. So if we can't use Complex Damage Mods, what are we supposed to do against a tank? Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons To create a vehicle free environment. There can only be one!
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2455	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:30:00 - [86] - Quote Atiim wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Proto suits with complex mods and proto weapons. So if we can't use Complex Damage Mods, what are we supposed to do against a tank? Ignore it and hang about farming the sht out of reds where the tanks can't go. Or get a sica with a railgun. Or get 3 people with av to blow it up, we do it regularly if we feel like it but tanks can easily be ignored in pubs. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
manboar thunder fist SAM-MIK 23	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:32:00 - [87] - Quote NK Scout wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Although guilty of proto stomping in the past, I have seen the light as it were. Who agrees, who disagrees and why. The differnce between the adv and pro amar logi is minimal Halelujahhhhhhhhhhhh somebody agrees. Read this and be educated 1.8 will shoot my amarr logi in the face with an ion pistol then bury it under a caldari heavy. No, not alive thankfully
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 479	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:35:00 - [88] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: So what about those of us who don't do FW, PC? we're just supposed to get screwed out of all the SP and isk we sunk into suits? Let me add it's not the gear that's the problem it's the matchmaking. They are both factors, run a std fit with std mods and a std weapon etc, play like that for a good while and then switch to proto, you will see. We'd not bother with proto if it didn't give an edge. My average fits are 40-60k and I run solo, I can do just as well or just as bad in proto. The good or bad depends on what side of the rout I am on. lopsided teams are the single biggest determining factor. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 291	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:36:00 - [89] - Quote Tech, I'm still of the mindset that all CCP needs to do is change the reward system in pub matches. What I mean is that if someone is wearing a Starter Fit and kills a proto, he should get more than 50 points. If someone in proto kills a starter fit, he should get way less than 50 points. Those war points turn into ISK and SP. So, you will actually earn more ISK and more SP if you don't wear proto. I don't think we can have a "militia/standard" only game mode any more because we just don't have a player base big enough. I think this reward system can easily be attached to how much a fitting costs ; this can apply to vehicles, too. Let's say you always get 50% of the value of the fitting in war points. So, if I kill a 300k proto suit, I get 150 WPs. And the lowest you can get is like 20 WPs (if I kill a full BPO fitting that costs nothing). It would change the complexity of pub games. This allows people to proto stomp all they want, but those people getting stomped have an incentive to go after those protos and not hide and Sit in the MCC. I'll be interested what faults people find in this; we've talked about it for a long time in Se\7eN.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2455	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:37:00 - [90] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: So what about those of us who don't do FW, PC? we're just supposed to get screwed out of all the SP and isk we sunk into suits? Let me add it's not the gear that's the problem it's the matchmaking. They are both factors, run a std fit with std mods and a std weapon etc, play like that for a good while and then switch to proto, you will see. We'd not bother with proto if it didn't give an edge. My average fits are 40-60k and I run solo, I can do just as well or just as bad in proto. The good or bad depends on what side of the rout I am on. lopsided teams are the single biggest determining factor. Yeah most can bashing newbs and agreed. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic



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