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Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2921	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:39:00 - [1] - Quote Standard cloak: 35pg Militia Gallente light frame: 24pg So if you're looking to get a cloak, at the very least you're going to have to get a few levels into scout and engineering. I understand that the intention was to dedicate the cloak to scouts, but when their fitting requirements are this prohibitive, why not just make them exclusive to light frames in the first place? No.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1697	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:40:00 - [2] - Quote Yet I really don't care.... why is that? "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5825	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:41:00 - [3] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1751014#post1751014 Aero Yassavi wrote: My initial concern is the complications of a someone just getting into scouts to use the cloak. At level 1 with only 15% fitting reduction, the standard cloak field will cost 136 CPU and 29.75 PG. Given the CPU and PG provided of all four standard scouts, it just will not be feasible to run a cloak. This is bad for the NPE, not allowing a role to use it's defining feature from the beginning. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
lcarus X Expert Intervention Caldari State 56	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:42:00 - [4] - Quote We'll... Hum... Isn't that to point of leveling scout up? For the bonus CPU/PG it gives you towards fitting cloaks? Edit: wow those numbers up above make me sad. Nvm.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5825	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:42:00 - [5] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Yet I really don't care.... why is that? Because you're not a new player. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 53	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:43:00 - [6] - Quote lcarus X wrote: We'll... Hum... Isn't that to point of leveling scout up? For the bonus CPU/PG it gives you towards fitting cloaks? But you cant use cloaks if you dont have a adv scout suit unlocked
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 3097	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:43:00 - [7] - Quote A new scout coming in will be running my ADV suit at STD and they'll passively beat all but proto scanners passive where until now that took scout 5 and dampening 3. They've got it much easier than the current scouts. Who cares? Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Sgt Buttscratch 1364	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:43:00 - [8] - Quote you can't do a lot of stuff from the get go.... I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 341	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:46:00 - [9] - Quote Can we just steal the idea of EVE's 'role bonus'? For those who don't know what that is, it's essential a static bonus that isn't effected by any skills, it's just something that 'comes with the suit' so to speak. I think that makes much more sense. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5825	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:46:00 - [10] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: A new scout coming in will be running my ADV suit at STD and they'll passively beat all but proto scanners passive where until now that took scout 5 and dampening 3. They've got it much easier than the current scouts. Who cares? That is a fair point to make, however it would also make sense that all scouts are able to use the defining feature from the start. If a solution could be worked out, that would be great. However, until then it doesn't sound too rough, as you stated. New scouts will have to live without cloaks but still get good profile signature and scan radius and such. You won't be able to fit a cloak on standard scouts until you hit level 5 for the 75% reduction and revisit your standard scout fittings. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2921	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:46:00 - [11] - Quote lcarus X wrote: We'll... Hum... Isn't that to point of leveling scout up? For the bonus CPU/PG it gives you towards fitting cloaks? Edit: wow those numbers up above make me sad. Nvm. It's bad enough that there are various items that have to be skilled into before they can be tried, but this excludes new players from what is likely to be the defining scout characteristic for several hundred thousand SP. It isn't acceptable. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2921	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:47:00 - [12] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: A new scout coming in will be running my ADV suit at STD and they'll passively beat all but proto scanners passive where until now that took scout 5 and dampening 3. They've got it much easier than the current scouts. Who cares? So they shouldn't fix a problem because they fixed some other problems? No.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 3098	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:48:00 - [13] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: A new scout coming in will be running my ADV suit at STD and they'll passively beat all but proto scanners passive where until now that took scout 5 and dampening 3. They've got it much easier than the current scouts. Who cares? So they shouldn't fix a problem because they fixed some other problems? Everyone wanted scouts to be viable WITHOUT A CLOAK. Guess what? It's more than viable without a cloak. It'll take a newbro a bit to be able to fit a cloak comfortably but he'll still be able to murder fools just fine. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 460	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:49:00 - [14] - Quote No different then logistics suits unable to fit good equipment until level 5. It's not a requirement to use a cloak on a scout suit. Director of ZionTCD Amarr Logi \| Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Scout (SoonGäó) TDBS
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2922	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:50:00 - [15] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: A new scout coming in will be running my ADV suit at STD and they'll passively beat all but proto scanners passive where until now that took scout 5 and dampening 3. They've got it much easier than the current scouts. Who cares? So they shouldn't fix a problem because they fixed some other problems? Everyone wanted scouts to be viable WITHOUT A CLOAK. Guess what? It's more than viable without a cloak. You're not answering the point. New players can't use a cloak. Scout viability has nothing to do with it. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2922	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:52:00 - [16] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: No different then logistics suits unable to fit good equipment until level 5. It's not a requirement to use a cloak on a scout suit. good equipment. In other words, you can be a crap logi, but you can still be a logi. No.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5826	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:52:00 - [17] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: A new scout coming in will be running my ADV suit at STD and they'll passively beat all but proto scanners passive where until now that took scout 5 and dampening 3. They've got it much easier than the current scouts. Who cares? So they shouldn't fix a problem because they fixed some other problems? Everyone wanted scouts to be viable WITHOUT A CLOAK. Guess what? It's more than viable without a cloak. You're not answering the point. New players can't use a cloak. Scout viability has nothing to do with it. It's also fair to consider that at Level 1 the role bonus is essentially worthless. All other roles can get some use out of their role bonus at level 1, but not he scout. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1834	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:54:00 - [18] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: lcarus X wrote: We'll... Hum... Isn't that to point of leveling scout up? For the bonus CPU/PG it gives you towards fitting cloaks? Edit: wow those numbers up above make me sad. Nvm. It's bad enough that there are various items that have to be skilled into before they can be tried, but this excludes new players from what is likely to be the defining scout characteristic for several hundred thousand SP. It isn't acceptable. So what about heavies and HMGs? Weaponry 5 is not exactly cheap either. Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2922	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:56:00 - [19] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: lcarus X wrote: We'll... Hum... Isn't that to point of leveling scout up? For the bonus CPU/PG it gives you towards fitting cloaks? Edit: wow those numbers up above make me sad. Nvm. It's bad enough that there are various items that have to be skilled into before they can be tried, but this excludes new players from what is likely to be the defining scout characteristic for several hundred thousand SP. It isn't acceptable. So what about heavies and HMGs? Weaponry 5 is not exactly cheap either. I agree, I've always been in favour of militia equivalents of everything available in the game. No.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 586	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:56:00 - [20] - Quote After some preliminary number crunching, with the proposed numbers, fitting a basic cloak becomes feasible if you've got lvl 3 [race] scout, and are using the advanced version of the scout suit. Of course, I was operating under the assumption that the scout would like to use decent weapons and their second equipment slot. The only way to really use the basic cloak on a basic scout is if you have lvl 5 [race] scout, OR you make large sacrifices to weapons, mods, grenades, and your other equipment slot. Basically, if you want to equip a BASIC cloak on a BASIC suit, you have to: invest tons of SP OR gimp your suit. Nice choices... The SP investment to be able to utilize cloaks well seem too high.

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5826	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:57:00 - [21] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: lcarus X wrote: We'll... Hum... Isn't that to point of leveling scout up? For the bonus CPU/PG it gives you towards fitting cloaks? Edit: wow those numbers up above make me sad. Nvm. It's bad enough that there are various items that have to be skilled into before they can be tried, but this excludes new players from what is likely to be the defining scout characteristic for several hundred thousand SP. It isn't acceptable. So what about heavies and HMGs? Weaponry 5 is not exactly cheap either. There definitely needs to be a militia HMG and really a militia version of everything. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 46	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:59:00 - [22] - Quote Don't drag us heavies into this, we are fine. Just need to finish our heavy weapons set like the light weapons got Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6060	Posted - 2014.01.22 07:00:00 - [23] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Standard cloak: 35pg Militia Gallente light frame: 24pg So if you're looking to get a cloak, at the very least you're going to have to get a few levels into scout and engineering. I understand that the intention was to dedicate the cloak to scouts, but when their fitting requirements are this prohibitive, why not just make them exclusive to light frames in the first place? Nope the Cloak needs to be hard to fit. Its kinda the end game for scouts. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 564	Posted - 2014.01.22 07:01:00 - [24] - Quote Well i guess this removes cloak+minscout from my future skill-plan. Commandoville it is. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 46	Posted - 2014.01.22 07:03:00 - [25] - Quote It just came to me. CCP has kept out most of the defining features of the specialized roles out of militia hands. No militia HMG, no militia cloaking, inability to carry multiple equipment(logi defining feature practically), assault isn't really specialized to much Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 53	Posted - 2014.01.22 07:04:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Standard cloak: 35pg Militia Gallente light frame: 24pg So if you're looking to get a cloak, at the very least you're going to have to get a few levels into scout and engineering. I understand that the intention was to dedicate the cloak to scouts, but when their fitting requirements are this prohibitive, why not just make them exclusive to light frames in the first place? Nope the Cloak needs to be hard to fit. Its kinda the end game for scouts. The whole point for the cloak bonus for scouts was to make it where you dont have to sacrifice much fitting.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1698	Posted - 2014.01.22 07:05:00 - [27] - Quote Just think of it as a trail of becoming a scout. Once you get to lvl 5 you get to bask in the glory that is the scout. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2922	Posted - 2014.01.22 07:06:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Standard cloak: 35pg Militia Gallente light frame: 24pg So if you're looking to get a cloak, at the very least you're going to have to get a few levels into scout and engineering. I understand that the intention was to dedicate the cloak to scouts, but when their fitting requirements are this prohibitive, why not just make them exclusive to light frames in the first place? Nope the Cloak needs to be hard to fit. Its kinda the end game for scouts. Since when do roles have an "endgame"? This isn't like other RPGs in which you get some kind of limit break as a reward for maxing out your character. This is a mechanic intended to limit the use of cloaks outside the scout class, but what it's really doing is limiting their use outside of those players with large amounts of SP. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2922	Posted - 2014.01.22 07:06:00 - [29] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Just think of it as a trail of becoming a scout. Once you get to lvl 5 you get to bask in the glory that is the scout. Are forge guns held back from heavies until higher levels? No.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 53	Posted - 2014.01.22 07:09:00 - [30] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Just think of it as a trail of becoming a scout. Once you get to lvl 5 you get to bask in the glory that is the scout. Are forge guns held back from heavies until higher levels? My assault forgegun says no.



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