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Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
36
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:20:00 -
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http://imgur.com/a/k6ttm
I just spent my MLK evening playing some Dust and I decided after a couple of matches to take some screens of the outcomes of random Ambush - the most likely game mode for people to play (new or old) if running solo.
As you can see, the past few hours have done nothing for my personal KDR. I'd like to call your attention to the matches where there was an entire team of people from the same corporation communicating on comms, stomping the randoms' guts out.
This isn't such a big deal since it is allowed of course. But I have to ask myself if the devs would think this was a fun game as a solo random on what is supposed to be the most dead night of the week (no one needs SP practically).
Is this your intention? I'm asking CCP Logibro and CCP Soxfour specifically. I know sox has some appendicitis going on, but this goes for anyone filling in for him. Does this look like fun?
I've been to fanfest (the 10 yr anniversary was spectacular btw). I've been in Dust's beta since I was allowed. I play when I can. Give me one good reason why you think that you deserve any money from the 'filthy casuals' with a match making system that is broken beyond words.
I get it, you want new features for the PC guys (I'm a software engineer by trade - I get it). But what about your casuals that just want to log in and play a few matches? The difficulty curve is simply not a curve anymore. It's worse than the cliff that is eve. The noobs that have no where to go for a lack of time commitment are the ones that suffer here.
there is of course that whole 'HTFU'... As a seven year + eve vet, I'm more than familiar. But there's nothing to harden up to. When there is zero room for growth as a player, your only option is to simply quit. I was able to do what I could with the linked groups, but I'm not going to be in all of these matches. When are you going to take a stand and say that pre-made groups need to be stuck with pre-made groups to play against? Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'.
I'm here asking on behalf of the noobs. Help us developers. New suits won't save us. You're our only hope! |
KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
3863
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:27:00 -
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I dont even play ambush. Only stat padders there.
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2729
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:35:00 -
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The NPE should warn players away from ambush. |
JL3Eleven
1585
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:35:00 -
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CCP is bad and should feel bad.
Supercorp: A corporation with the ability to shape and control events and project power on a New Eden-wide scale.
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McFurious
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
522
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:40:00 -
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Maybe 1.9 will finally introduce PVE.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
Durka durka.... Bitch.
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
3868
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:46:00 -
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THEN AGAIN, i have seen BurgezzE.T.F Pub stomp Ambush several times too..so...
Ehe....ehem....yeah i was already leaving...
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS
8
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:55:00 -
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Fenix Alexarr wrote:http://imgur.com/a/k6ttm
I just spent my MLK evening playing some Dust and I decided after a couple of matches to take some screens of the outcomes of random Ambush - the most likely game mode for people to play (new or old) if running solo.
As you can see, the past few hours have done nothing for my personal KDR. I'd like to call your attention to the matches where there was an entire team of people from the same corporation communicating on comms, stomping the randoms' guts out.
This isn't such a big deal since it is allowed of course. But I have to ask myself if the devs would think this was a fun game as a solo random on what is supposed to be the most dead night of the week (no one needs SP practically).
Is this your intention? I'm asking CCP Logibro and CCP Soxfour specifically. I know sox has some appendicitis going on, but this goes for anyone filling in for him. Does this look like fun?
I've been to fanfest (the 10 yr anniversary was spectacular btw). I've been in Dust's beta since I was allowed. I play when I can. Give me one good reason why you think that you deserve any money from the 'filthy casuals' with a match making system that is broken beyond words.
I get it, you want new features for the PC guys (I'm a software engineer by trade - I get it). But what about your casuals that just want to log in and play a few matches? The difficulty curve is simply not a curve anymore. It's worse than the cliff that is eve. The noobs that have no where to go for a lack of time commitment are the ones that suffer here.
there is of course that whole 'HTFU'... As a seven year + eve vet, I'm more than familiar. But there's nothing to harden up to. When there is zero room for growth as a player, your only option is to simply quit. I was able to do what I could with the linked groups, but I'm not going to be in all of these matches. When are you going to take a stand and say that pre-made groups need to be stuck with pre-made groups to play against? Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'.
I'm here asking on behalf of the noobs. Help us developers. New suits won't save us. You're our only hope!
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Guildo Crow
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
195
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Posted - 2014.01.21 04:57:00 -
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Yeah it's pretty bad right now. Can't even work up the will to play a match every other day.
IMO; PvE is the saving grace. Casuals and new players will sort themselves out once that gets implemented.
I suggest just logging off for a bit, play something else for a while until CCP incorporates PvE. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1650
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Posted - 2014.01.21 05:00:00 -
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fenix this is why nobody in burgezz plays tankbush.
only exception is when bane puts me in one when I tell him not to. |
VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS
8
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Posted - 2014.01.21 05:01:00 -
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there best bet is gear based or meta lv . this is really the only way this fkn game will ever grow . u want more ppl ? find a way to stop lettn ppl overrun lower lv ppl . more ppl -more money ccp . not that hard to understand . been playn for 9mths now and ill never seen a game reward bad sportmenship like this . stop treating this like eve ccp plllllzzzzzzz |
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
1080
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Posted - 2014.01.21 05:02:00 -
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im playing monster hunter 3 ultimate. It's a cool game ,and it'll keep me busy untill something actually changes.
And it bridges the gap until destiny lands.
CALDARI not so MASTER RACE
Forum Warrior Level: 10
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender Public Disorder.
385
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Posted - 2014.01.21 05:07:00 -
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For the newer player base, I'm surprised any of them are still here. The community is doing what it can to help the newer players since NOTHING in this game strives to help them along. The Academy is a joke with only a brief reprise before sending them to the meat grinder. I myself haven't played ambush for over 3 patches now because of this.
Minmatar Logisis | Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
1995
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Posted - 2014.01.21 05:22:00 -
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Competition always looks fun to me
Selling Templar BPO 250Mil
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Cooper Eudaemon
DUST University Ivy League
115
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Posted - 2014.01.21 05:25:00 -
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I don't always play Dust 514, but when I do...
It sure as kitten isn't Ambush, solo. That's as masochistic as it gets.
I need a break from Dust! I'll just go hop on the forums...
I need a break from the forums! I'll just go hop on Dust...
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8240
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Posted - 2014.01.21 05:32:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:I dont even play ambush. Only stat padders there. This
@OP, I agree with you completely.
Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
2225
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Posted - 2014.01.21 05:47:00 -
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My alt plays tons of Ambush solo to make ISK. Might as well rename the whole mode to TankBush. I'm guilty of it myself; when 1.7 first launched you could find me in every other 50 clone Ambush getting 20+ kills. I still occasionally stomp it when I need ISK. Basically, the enemy spams tanks or you win uncontested most matches. Only on a few maps with truly horrible blues do you usually lose.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
1638
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Posted - 2014.01.21 05:49:00 -
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Yeah, your first, second, third, and fourth mistakes were not unchecking lolambush in the neocon. Totally unplayable right now.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
Forum Warrior lv.1
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Darken-Soul
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2014.01.21 06:14:00 -
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Fenix Alexarr wrote:http://imgur.com/a/k6ttm
I just spent my MLK evening playing some Dust and I decided after a couple of matches to take some screens of the outcomes of random Ambush - the most likely game mode for people to play (new or old) if running solo.
As you can see, the past few hours have done nothing for my personal KDR. I'd like to call your attention to the matches where there was an entire team of people from the same corporation communicating on comms, stomping the randoms' guts out.
This isn't such a big deal since it is allowed of course. But I have to ask myself if the devs would think this was a fun game as a solo random on what is supposed to be the most dead night of the week (no one needs SP practically).
Is this your intention? I'm asking CCP Logibro and CCP Soxfour specifically. I know sox has some appendicitis going on, but this goes for anyone filling in for him. Does this look like fun?
I've been to fanfest (the 10 yr anniversary was spectacular btw). I've been in Dust's beta since I was allowed. I play when I can. Give me one good reason why you think that you deserve any money from the 'filthy casuals' with a match making system that is broken beyond words.
I get it, you want new features for the PC guys (I'm a software engineer by trade - I get it). But what about your casuals that just want to log in and play a few matches? The difficulty curve is simply not a curve anymore. It's worse than the cliff that is eve. The noobs that have no where to go for a lack of time commitment are the ones that suffer here.
there is of course that whole 'HTFU'... As a seven year + eve vet, I'm more than familiar. But there's nothing to harden up to. When there is zero room for growth as a player, your only option is to simply quit. I was able to do what I could with the linked groups, but I'm not going to be in all of these matches. When are you going to take a stand and say that pre-made groups need to be stuck with pre-made groups to play against? Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'.
I'm here asking on behalf of the noobs. Help us developers. New suits won't save us. You're our only hope!
ha ha you got rolled by dust Brazil.
I am the real Darken
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ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
1922
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Posted - 2014.01.21 06:25:00 -
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Get rid of squads and vehicles in ambush.
Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset
I Slay, for thy Empress
Do you even PC... Brah
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Ankbar Latrommi
Immortal Guides
37
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Posted - 2014.01.21 06:35:00 -
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VALCORE72 wrote:stop treating this like eve ccp plllllzzzzzzz Welcome to Eve: DUST514. Not Eve Online, but still Eve.
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ploo-Koon
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
601
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Posted - 2014.01.21 06:36:00 -
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I've been playing ambush for the past few days with MLT and STD Heavy suits with ADV Rail Rifle, kinkats(sp?), and shield hardeners. I average 7-10 kills per match and pay out is absolutely random but I made 2mil ISK in one day and hit my SP cap. It isn't ideal, you die and lose alot but if you run a cheap fit it's semi-enjoyable.
(GöÉGöî ).....[ a¦Å^Gûá ].....{ a¦Å\°/a¦Å }.....( : : )
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
427
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Posted - 2014.01.21 06:44:00 -
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Ambush for a solo logi = WP bukake.
Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar
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Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
49
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Posted - 2014.01.21 12:03:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:fenix this is why nobody in burgezz plays tankbush.
only exception is when bane puts me in one when I tell him not to.
Well, the problem for me not playing ambush is that the other modes lend themselves to group play (each group takes a point for example). When I want to just solo grind, I'd like to put up against other solo players. Someone mentioned PvE, but then you're not getting any better against players. I do want to play your game CCP. I've been playing it for a long time now, but ambush has never been so broken.
Instead of giving us new suits or new vehicles, just fix the damn matchmaker. I can't advertise this to any of my friends in its current state. They'll join, get stomped by a bunch of queue sync'ing protobears and never want to log in again. |
Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
580
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Posted - 2014.01.21 12:43:00 -
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Fenix Alexarr wrote:http://imgur.com/a/k6ttm
I just spent my MLK evening playing some Dust and I decided after a couple of matches to take some screens of the outcomes of random Ambush - the most likely game mode for people to play (new or old) if running solo.
As you can see, the past few hours have done nothing for my personal KDR. I'd like to call your attention to the matches where there was an entire team of people from the same corporation communicating on comms, stomping the randoms' guts out.
This isn't such a big deal since it is allowed of course. But I have to ask myself if the devs would think this was a fun game as a solo random on what is supposed to be the most dead night of the week (no one needs SP practically).
Is this your intention? I'm asking CCP Logibro and CCP Soxfour specifically. I know sox has some appendicitis going on, but this goes for anyone filling in for him. Does this look like fun?
I've been to fanfest (the 10 yr anniversary was spectacular btw). I've been in Dust's beta since I was allowed. I play when I can. Give me one good reason why you think that you deserve any money from the 'filthy casuals' with a match making system that is broken beyond words.
I get it, you want new features for the PC guys (I'm a software engineer by trade - I get it). But what about your casuals that just want to log in and play a few matches? The difficulty curve is simply not a curve anymore. It's worse than the cliff that is eve. The noobs that have no where to go for a lack of time commitment are the ones that suffer here.
there is of course that whole 'HTFU'... As a seven year + eve vet, I'm more than familiar. But there's nothing to harden up to. When there is zero room for growth as a player, your only option is to simply quit. I was able to do what I could with the linked groups, but I'm not going to be in all of these matches. When are you going to take a stand and say that pre-made groups need to be stuck with pre-made groups to play against? Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'.
I'm here asking on behalf of the noobs. Help us developers. New suits won't save us. You're our only hope!
I'd say thanks for taking the time out to show everyone this. To be honest, I haven't stepped foot into ambush for months and months... and by the looks of it, it just got worse. I *AM* that random you describe to the letter... I've never joined a corp, and mostly play solo, but luckily I made it past the "learning curve" and have survived as a paying player. Unfortunately, it's clear that there is a desperate need for a PvE structured intro for new players AND a PvE more in general for players that just want to log in and do something else apart from capture letters all night. I'd say I'm pretty sure CCP shares your concerns, and if comments by the CPM are anything to go by, the new EP wants this to be implemented as soon as is feasible (and not a half-hearted implementation either, something that works).....
On a side note, interesting to see some of the corps that are stomping - some are no surprise of course...
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
719
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Posted - 2014.01.21 12:52:00 -
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You got Nyain Slammed. Get outta ambush to avoid it :)
If you MUST play ambush, I highly recommend using two complex dampeners to avoid Nyain Scans. Unfortunately if the 1.8 Gal Logi precision buff goes through, you'll need to scout up to avoid them.
And also, use remotes, as a straight up fight against Nyain San will likely result in your immediate death. |
Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
51
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Posted - 2014.01.21 13:02:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:You got Nyain Slammed. Get outta ambush to avoid it :)
If you MUST play ambush, I highly recommend using two complex dampeners to avoid Nyain Scans. Unfortunately if the 1.8 Gal Logi precision buff goes through, you'll need to scout up to avoid them.
And also, use remotes, as a straight up fight against Nyain San will likely result in your immediate death.
There were a couple of situations where this might have saved me, but I was just in a free suit (skinweave logi) isk'ing. Interesting idea though. A full team of scout suits with damps and remotes...
Could be fun I guess, but then I think about how quickly they would die to nearly anything rendering the remotes useless.
Ambush in essence is a straight up fight. It's not supposed to have a ton of sneaking around once the firefight is on. There are no points to camp. It's all about the body count. I used to like playing Ambush, because I could work on my gun game without thinking about the point being capped behind me while I'm trying to finish off the heavy that's charging my squad with an HMG and 3 reps on him.
Main point: match making is broken. I'm okay fighting against a squad of nyain, but I want someone else that can compete with them on my team rather than stacking those players with nyain. |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
435
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Posted - 2014.01.21 13:03:00 -
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Pub stomp?? PUB STOMP???
Might be a big of proto in there, but for the most part it's all tanks or vehicles! I actually played ambush for the first time in forever this week to reach my cap. Needless to say mission accomplished, just make sure you run cheap fits!
I myself, being a tanker, was looking for infantry play. Quick gun battles and logi stuff. What I find instead are tanks, everywhere. I'm ok to let it go in a few matches, but there were 6 fing tanks a game. Sometimes on both sides, sometimes just one side.
In one, it was 5 MLT tanks (in fact I don't know that they had any actually SP invested tanks) and NO tanks for us. The match was predictably one sided, until a blaster killed me enough times (2 times) to **** me off enough to call my own tank in. They all die, and guess what, we win! I don't even bother with infantry in ambush anymore, my only goal is to keep the tanks down if I can.
But I always have my tank to fall back on when **** is crazy like that (ALWAYS). I feel sorry for the infantry that has to sit there and take it, with no way to fight back, and no way to hide. Something I did learn about ambush, GREAT FOR TANKS. No red lines, every single thing is within reach. Can really separate the scrubby tankers from the good tankers.
I know pub stomps are bad, but these aren't even pub stomps half the time, it's called TANK STOMP. Atm something needs to be done about MLT tanks, N then something needs to be done with matchmaking.
MLT only game mode, No teams mode, ect ect ect.
Nuff Said
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Azura Sakura
Blood Eye Ravens
547
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Posted - 2014.01.21 13:25:00 -
[28] - Quote
This is something I always have whine about. I care more for the new players than the stat padding proto bears. You think some people will lay off the try hard when you see half a lobby of starter corps. |
m621 zma
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
94
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Posted - 2014.01.21 13:59:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Get rid of squads and vehicles in ambush.
Can we keep LAV's (providing they aren't Logi LAV's - cos **** walking)
Can we also keep Dropships (of the non Assault variety) |
Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
40
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:38:00 -
[30] - Quote
Zekain K wrote:im playing monster hunter 3 ultimate. It's a cool game ,and it'll keep me busy untill something actually changes.
And it bridges the gap until destiny lands.
Go light bowgun for the most possible fun! The games in the MH franchise are some of the most enjoyable games ever..
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
40
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:39:00 -
[31] - Quote
Fenix Alexarr wrote:http://imgur.com/a/k6ttm
I just spent my MLK evening playing some Dust and I decided after a couple of matches to take some screens of the outcomes of random Ambush - the most likely game mode for people to play (new or old) if running solo.
As you can see, the past few hours have done nothing for my personal KDR. I'd like to call your attention to the matches where there was an entire team of people from the same corporation communicating on comms, stomping the randoms' guts out.
This isn't such a big deal since it is allowed of course. But I have to ask myself if the devs would think this was a fun game as a solo random on what is supposed to be the most dead night of the week (no one needs SP practically).
Is this your intention? I'm asking CCP Logibro and CCP Soxfour specifically. I know sox has some appendicitis going on, but this goes for anyone filling in for him. Does this look like fun?
I've been to fanfest (the 10 yr anniversary was spectacular btw). I've been in Dust's beta since I was allowed. I play when I can. Give me one good reason why you think that you deserve any money from the 'filthy casuals' with a match making system that is broken beyond words.
I get it, you want new features for the PC guys (I'm a software engineer by trade - I get it). But what about your casuals that just want to log in and play a few matches? The difficulty curve is simply not a curve anymore. It's worse than the cliff that is eve. The noobs that have no where to go for a lack of time commitment are the ones that suffer here.
there is of course that whole 'HTFU'... As a seven year + eve vet, I'm more than familiar. But there's nothing to harden up to. When there is zero room for growth as a player, your only option is to simply quit. I was able to do what I could with the linked groups, but I'm not going to be in all of these matches. When are you going to take a stand and say that pre-made groups need to be stuck with pre-made groups to play against? Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'.
I'm here asking on behalf of the noobs. Help us developers. New suits won't save us. You're our only hope!
2 Questions: Why run solo in a team-based game? Why play ambush at all?
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1657
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:46:00 -
[32] - Quote
eh I always solo doms, I would solo skirms but the constant running around bores me, I enjoy the constant fights on the letter.
adapt and overcome. if they bring 6 people you just need to be better then 6 people. or bring 5 of them with you |
Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
57
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:48:00 -
[33] - Quote
Scar Scrilla wrote:Fenix Alexarr wrote:http://imgur.com/a/k6ttm
I just spent my MLK evening playing some Dust and I decided after a couple of matches to take some screens of the outcomes of random Ambush - the most likely game mode for people to play (new or old) if running solo.
As you can see, the past few hours have done nothing for my personal KDR. I'd like to call your attention to the matches where there was an entire team of people from the same corporation communicating on comms, stomping the randoms' guts out.
This isn't such a big deal since it is allowed of course. But I have to ask myself if the devs would think this was a fun game as a solo random on what is supposed to be the most dead night of the week (no one needs SP practically).
Is this your intention? I'm asking CCP Logibro and CCP Soxfour specifically. I know sox has some appendicitis going on, but this goes for anyone filling in for him. Does this look like fun?
I've been to fanfest (the 10 yr anniversary was spectacular btw). I've been in Dust's beta since I was allowed. I play when I can. Give me one good reason why you think that you deserve any money from the 'filthy casuals' with a match making system that is broken beyond words.
I get it, you want new features for the PC guys (I'm a software engineer by trade - I get it). But what about your casuals that just want to log in and play a few matches? The difficulty curve is simply not a curve anymore. It's worse than the cliff that is eve. The noobs that have no where to go for a lack of time commitment are the ones that suffer here.
there is of course that whole 'HTFU'... As a seven year + eve vet, I'm more than familiar. But there's nothing to harden up to. When there is zero room for growth as a player, your only option is to simply quit. I was able to do what I could with the linked groups, but I'm not going to be in all of these matches. When are you going to take a stand and say that pre-made groups need to be stuck with pre-made groups to play against? Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'.
I'm here asking on behalf of the noobs. Help us developers. New suits won't save us. You're our only hope! 2 Questions: Why run solo in a team-based game? Why play ambush at all?
good question!
I was running solo, because I wanted quick games. When queuing as a group, there are usually delays.
I wanted Ambush or something similar, because Ambush isn't as dependent on organization. What I mean by that is the objective in Ambush is just to kill people. I don't have to hold a point to win. I have a higher degree of success as a solo player when my objective isn't as heavily dependent on the people around me. Skirmish suffers from this same problem. See the threads about red line removal.
My scores were generally not depressing, but they were not good at all. I was running a free setup to make some ISK. These people need a place to organize and queue as a team against other, similar teams. Stomping in Ambush is easy ISK and SP for these guys - that's why they do it. The noobs/casuals have no where else to go. |
Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
57
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:53:00 -
[34] - Quote
calisk galern wrote:eh I always solo doms, I would solo skirms but the constant running around bores me, I enjoy the constant fights on the letter.
adapt and overcome. if they bring 6 people you just need to be better then 6 people. or bring 5 of them with you, also occasionally the blue dots aren't complete **** ups and can be useful =).
Adapt and overcome is fine. I agree with that. The problem is that in doing that, you are feeding the problem. The match maker doesn't pair you against the squad of 6 proto stompers all the time. When you don't fight them, you end up steam rolling noobs and casuals.
PC's and FW are great for stomping. In fact, I encourage more people to try and stomp for Caldari since all of my gear comes from the Caldari LP store. In Ambush, you cannot easily control who you fight with and against. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1657
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:55:00 -
[35] - Quote
Fenix Alexarr wrote:calisk galern wrote:eh I always solo doms, I would solo skirms but the constant running around bores me, I enjoy the constant fights on the letter.
adapt and overcome. if they bring 6 people you just need to be better then 6 people. or bring 5 of them with you, also occasionally the blue dots aren't complete **** ups and can be useful =). Adapt and overcome is fine. I agree with that. The problem is that in doing that, you are feeding the problem. The match maker doesn't pair you against the squad of 6 proto stompers all the time. When you don't fight them, you end up steam rolling noobs and casuals. PC's and FW are great for stomping. In fact, I encourage more people to try and stomp for Caldari since all of my gear comes from the Caldari LP store. In Ambush, you cannot easily control who you fight with and against.
not my fault, the only way I could not steam roll newbs is by not playing.
I have two settings, win easy or die hard, I have no in between |
Darken-Soul
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:57:00 -
[36] - Quote
Use the squad finder. Solo players leave themselves at a huge disadvantage. You can still run around and pretend you are Rambo, but the chances are you will have at least 5 other guys on your team that get what Dust is about.
Every one has justifications for their behaviors, notice I didn't say reasons. If you reason it out you would be in a squad.
Rambo wouldn't be here crying that battle is too tough for him.
I am the real Darken
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
371
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Posted - 2014.01.21 14:58:00 -
[37] - Quote
the other day our squad leader put us into a Ambush to kill time as one of our squad had to do an arrand, and it was actualy quite enjoyable, both sides spawned on oposing sides of the city, no tanks where called in and it was a good over all fire fight all over the city. Then we played another and I swore I would leave squad if he did a 3rd |
Onesimus Tarsus
885
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:02:00 -
[38] - Quote
Cheap fit scout damped with proto uplinks... WP leader! The worse my team(?) is, the better I am.
I don't date magnets, but it's difficult to deny the attraction.
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Jane Madson
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
308
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:08:00 -
[39] - Quote
When i do ambush, i run a uplink scout and run 100 meter behind the enemy a place an uplink. As there engauging from the front we are respawning behind them and there tanks , as the battle shifts direction i do it again. Does it stop the stomp? No, but it does prolong it and makes the matches closer. Ccp fix match making
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.(Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us)
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
40
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:08:00 -
[40] - Quote
Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Cheap fit scout damped with proto uplinks... WP leader! The worse my team(?) is, the better I am.
Lol, sad but all so true...
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
58
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:22:00 -
[41] - Quote
Darken-Soul wrote:Use the squad finder. Solo players leave themselves at a huge disadvantage. You can still run around and pretend you are Rambo, but the chances are you will have at least 5 other guys on your team that get what Dust is about.
Every one has justifications for their behaviors, notice I didn't say reasons. If you reason it out you would be in a squad.
Rambo wouldn't be here crying that battle is too tough for him.
"HURR DUURR.... HTFU.... GTFO NOOB... SQUAD UP"
Read the post again. That's the least productive thing you could say. It's not about running around like Rambo. It's about playing with people of the same skill/gear/sp level. |
steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
2176
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:35:00 -
[42] - Quote
No squads in public contracts FW must be in 4 man squad min PC as it is. Hay presto a nice curve for new people natural progress through. Tbh EvE is a company full of engineers rather than artists. They pull some awsome technologies feets that noneone gives a **** about
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
2176
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:49:00 -
[43] - Quote
Steadyhands english skill has been rolled back to 1 for bug fixing -_-
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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XEROO COOL
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
379
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:51:00 -
[44] - Quote
Fenix Alexarr wrote:http://imgur.com/a/k6ttm
I just spent my MLK evening playing some Dust and I decided after a couple of matches to take some screens of the outcomes of random Ambush - the most likely game mode for people to play (new or old) if running solo.
As you can see, the past few hours have done nothing for my personal KDR. I'd like to call your attention to the matches where there was an entire team of people from the same corporation communicating on comms, stomping the randoms' guts out.
This isn't such a big deal since it is allowed of course. But I have to ask myself if the devs would think this was a fun game as a solo random on what is supposed to be the most dead night of the week (no one needs SP practically).
Is this your intention? I'm asking CCP Logibro and CCP Soxfour specifically. I know sox has some appendicitis going on, but this goes for anyone filling in for him. Does this look like fun?
I've been to fanfest (the 10 yr anniversary was spectacular btw). I've been in Dust's beta since I was allowed. I play when I can. Give me one good reason why you think that you deserve any money from the 'filthy casuals' with a match making system that is broken beyond words.
I get it, you want new features for the PC guys (I'm a software engineer by trade - I get it). But what about your casuals that just want to log in and play a few matches? The difficulty curve is simply not a curve anymore. It's worse than the cliff that is eve. The noobs that have no where to go for a lack of time commitment are the ones that suffer here.
there is of course that whole 'HTFU'... As a seven year + eve vet, I'm more than familiar. But there's nothing to harden up to. When there is zero room for growth as a player, your only option is to simply quit. I was able to do what I could with the linked groups, but I'm not going to be in all of these matches. When are you going to take a stand and say that pre-made groups need to be stuck with pre-made groups to play against? Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'.
I'm here asking on behalf of the noobs. Help us developers. New suits won't save us. You're our only hope! I wish I'd have known I was getting my picture taken.. I might have put on a little make up and fixed my hair!
Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face!
(Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:54:00 -
[45] - Quote
Darken-Soul wrote:Use the squad finder. Solo players leave themselves at a huge disadvantage. You can still run around and pretend you are Rambo, but the chances are you will have at least 5 other guys on your team that get what Dust is about.
Every one has justifications for their behaviors, notice I didn't say reasons. If you reason it out you would be in a squad.
Rambo wouldn't be here crying that battle is too tough for him.
He isn't. He is saying it is too tough for new players, which it is. |
Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
4627
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:57:00 -
[46] - Quote
Nyain San says they have their timers set to those times because its the only time they can field enough players.
THEN STOMPS PUBS ALL DAY!
[VGS] [VGTG]
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LT Dans Legs
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
259
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Posted - 2014.01.21 16:06:00 -
[47] - Quote
Have you ever noticed that one team will have all the randoms and the other team will have not one, but two or three full squads on it? They never put one of the full squads on one side and the other on the other side, its always on one team. And whats with coming into a battle thats ending but get put into games with nobody on the other team and it never loads people in? |
Lv2spd2
Slow And Old
176
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:16:00 -
[48] - Quote
Knight Soiaire wrote:Nyain San says they have their timers set to those times because its the only time they can field enough players.
THEN STOMPS PUBS ALL DAY!
Wait till you get one of their squads in factional. You laugh yourself sick at them.
I have yet to see them win one, although they must win sometimes
How do they do in actual PC battles?
Seems like those would be more like Factionals thaan PUBS. |
Zerus Ni'Kator
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:32:00 -
[49] - Quote
Ploo-Koon wrote:I've been playing ambush for the past few days with MLT and STD Heavy suits with ADV Rail Rifle, kinkats(sp?), and shield hardeners. I average 7-10 kills per match and pay out is absolutely random but I made 2mil ISK in one day and hit my SP cap. It isn't ideal, you die and lose alot but if you run a cheap fit it's semi-enjoyable.
Using a Light Weapon on a heavy suit is just scrub play lol
.. yeah you can .. yeah there's nothing stopping you .. still a scrub way of playing though and is why they still aren't releasing other heavy weapons .. heavies can just use light weapons instead right xD |
Ploo-Koon
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
601
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:49:00 -
[50] - Quote
Zerus Ni'Kator wrote:Ploo-Koon wrote:I've been playing ambush for the past few days with MLT and STD Heavy suits with ADV Rail Rifle, kinkats(sp?), and shield hardeners. I average 7-10 kills per match and pay out is absolutely random but I made 2mil ISK in one day and hit my SP cap. It isn't ideal, you die and lose alot but if you run a cheap fit it's semi-enjoyable. Using a Light Weapon on a heavy suit is just scrub play lol .. yeah you can .. yeah there's nothing stopping you .. still a scrub way of playing though and is why they still aren't releasing other heavy weapons .. heavies can just use light weapons instead right xD
Crap, I had no idea I was enjoying playing the game wrong. This changes my whole view, I need a respec so I can get gud.
(GöÉGöî ).....[ a¦Å^Gûá ].....{ a¦Å\°/a¦Å }.....( : : )
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Teilka Darkmist
26
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:56:00 -
[51] - Quote
Team deathmatch mode should just be scrapped, or at least be made into an arena game. It could be the Dust version of the alliance tournament or New Eden Open. It shouldn't be where someone's playing solo.
*EDIT* Ooops, sorry, I meant Ambush, not team deathmatch.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Darken-Soul
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2014.01.21 21:57:00 -
[52] - Quote
Nothing Certain wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:Use the squad finder. Solo players leave themselves at a huge disadvantage. You can still run around and pretend you are Rambo, but the chances are you will have at least 5 other guys on your team that get what Dust is about.
Every one has justifications for their behaviors, notice I didn't say reasons. If you reason it out you would be in a squad.
Rambo wouldn't be here crying that battle is too tough for him. He isn't. He is saying it is too tough for new players, which it is.
Read his posts, he is complaining that he cant be effective against squads by himself. He always has a reason he doesn't want to be in a squad. perhaps a different game would suit him. I am just giving advice to someone who clearly needs help.
I am the real Darken
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
438
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:10:00 -
[53] - Quote
Azura Sakura wrote:This is something I always have whine about. I care more for the new players than the stat padding proto bears. You think some people will lay off the try hard when you see half a lobby of starter corps.
Truth to tell, this never crosses my mind. I see red dots, I shoot. I play to win, not Play to cather to a lesser players needs. I takes a bit of an investment SP wise to go proto, and if I can afford to run it (I can) I do.
Why play with lesser toys, when the big shiny ones are on the table right next to them!!
Don't blame the players, blame the game! Players just play to win, isn't that the point to a ******* shoooter!!
Nuff Said
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Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
64
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:22:00 -
[54] - Quote
Darken-Soul wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:Use the squad finder. Solo players leave themselves at a huge disadvantage. You can still run around and pretend you are Rambo, but the chances are you will have at least 5 other guys on your team that get what Dust is about.
Every one has justifications for their behaviors, notice I didn't say reasons. If you reason it out you would be in a squad.
Rambo wouldn't be here crying that battle is too tough for him. He isn't. He is saying it is too tough for new players, which it is. Read his posts, he is complaining that he cant be effective against squads by himself. He always has a reason he doesn't want to be in a squad. perhaps a different game would suit him. I am just giving advice to someone who clearly needs help.
Or maybe you could read the post...
I'm not asking for help for me. I have a good corp and a squad when I want it. I'm also not complaining about being effective against a squad as a solo player. I understand that running into a group of 6 guys by myself is a pretty bad idea in 95% of situations.
I'm talking about the 'filthy casuals' and how they feel. "HURRR DURRR SQUAD UP" is not a solution to the problem of fresh recruits being put against a team that has several organized squads queue sync'ing and ending up on the same team. Putting those fresh recruits against even unorganized highly skilled/experienced players is also a problem.
As stated in the OP that you didn't bother to read, "Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'." Without the lobby shooter, there's nothing else that a solo player can do without having a bunch of experience under his belt or very serious masochistic tendencies (solo ambush).
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Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
64
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:25:00 -
[55] - Quote
Tebu Gan wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:This is something I always have whine about. I care more for the new players than the stat padding proto bears. You think some people will lay off the try hard when you see half a lobby of starter corps. Truth to tell, this never crosses my mind. I see red dots, I shoot. I play to win, not Play to cather to a lesser players needs. I takes a bit of an investment SP wise to go proto, and if I can afford to run it (I can) I do. Why play with lesser toys, when the big shiny ones are on the table right next to them!! Don't blame the players, blame the game! Players just play to win, isn't that the point to a ******* shoooter!!
I'm not blaming the stompers per say... The game is indeed what allows them to rampage through a bunch of noobs with ISK and SP as rewards. That's what I'm hoping someone from CCP can help out with. They read the forums and have lots of parsing algorithms that give them frequency tables for certain words coming up in the forums. |
Azura Sakura
Blood Eye Ravens
549
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:36:00 -
[56] - Quote
Tebu Gan wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:This is something I always have whine about. I care more for the new players than the stat padding proto bears. You think some people will lay off the try hard when you see half a lobby of starter corps. Truth to tell, this never crosses my mind. I see red dots, I shoot. I play to win, not Play to cather to a lesser players needs. I takes a bit of an investment SP wise to go proto, and if I can afford to run it (I can) I do. Why play with lesser toys, when the big shiny ones are on the table right next to them!! Don't blame the players, blame the game! Players just play to win, isn't that the point to a ******* shoooter!!
I understand what you mean but this is also why we have such a low player count IMO. |
Darken-Soul
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:38:00 -
[57] - Quote
Fenix Alexarr wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:Use the squad finder. Solo players leave themselves at a huge disadvantage. You can still run around and pretend you are Rambo, but the chances are you will have at least 5 other guys on your team that get what Dust is about.
Every one has justifications for their behaviors, notice I didn't say reasons. If you reason it out you would be in a squad.
Rambo wouldn't be here crying that battle is too tough for him. He isn't. He is saying it is too tough for new players, which it is. Read his posts, he is complaining that he cant be effective against squads by himself. He always has a reason he doesn't want to be in a squad. perhaps a different game would suit him. I am just giving advice to someone who clearly needs help. Or maybe you could read the post... I'm not asking for help for me. I have a good corp and a squad when I want it. I'm also not complaining about being effective against a squad as a solo player. I understand that running into a group of 6 guys by myself is a pretty bad idea in 95% of situations. I'm talking about the 'filthy casuals' and how they feel. "HURRR DURRR SQUAD UP" is not a solution to the problem of fresh recruits being put against a team that has several organized squads queue sync'ing and ending up on the same team. Putting those fresh recruits against even unorganized highly skilled/experienced players is also a problem. As stated in the OP that you didn't bother to read, "Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'." Without the lobby shooter, there's nothing else that a solo player can do without having a bunch of experience under his belt or very serious masochistic tendencies (solo ambush).
Your opening sentence was about solo players. All your posts are about ambush and not being in squads. What conclusion were you hoping I would come to?
Were you here in open beta? That's how long I've been training new players. I have a corp made up of mostly casual players. Making it easy for the solo player is not the way to go. New guys get the shaft. It sucks.
I have always been there for any one who wants to learn. CCP doesn't really care about gear disparity or NPE. They never have. We as leaders must do that on our own. I am telling you and new players to use the squad finder. Read the descriptions. I know I run a training squad or Big Bad HQ most days. There is plenty of people and resources to bridge the gap.
I am the real Darken
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Eko Sol
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
69
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:39:00 -
[58] - Quote
Fenix Alexarr wrote:http://imgur.com/a/k6ttm
I just spent my MLK evening playing some Dust and I decided after a couple of matches to take some screens of the outcomes of random Ambush - the most likely game mode for people to play (new or old) if running solo.
As you can see, the past few hours have done nothing for my personal KDR. I'd like to call your attention to the matches where there was an entire team of people from the same corporation communicating on comms, stomping the randoms' guts out.
This isn't such a big deal since it is allowed of course. But I have to ask myself if the devs would think this was a fun game as a solo random on what is supposed to be the most dead night of the week (no one needs SP practically).
Is this your intention? I'm asking CCP Logibro and CCP Soxfour specifically. I know sox has some appendicitis going on, but this goes for anyone filling in for him. Does this look like fun?
I've been to fanfest (the 10 yr anniversary was spectacular btw). I've been in Dust's beta since I was allowed. I play when I can. Give me one good reason why you think that you deserve any money from the 'filthy casuals' with a match making system that is broken beyond words.
I get it, you want new features for the PC guys (I'm a software engineer by trade - I get it). But what about your casuals that just want to log in and play a few matches? The difficulty curve is simply not a curve anymore. It's worse than the cliff that is eve. The noobs that have no where to go for a lack of time commitment are the ones that suffer here.
there is of course that whole 'HTFU'... As a seven year + eve vet, I'm more than familiar. But there's nothing to harden up to. When there is zero room for growth as a player, your only option is to simply quit. I was able to do what I could with the linked groups, but I'm not going to be in all of these matches. When are you going to take a stand and say that pre-made groups need to be stuck with pre-made groups to play against? Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'.
I'm here asking on behalf of the noobs. Help us developers. New suits won't save us. You're our only hope!
A little advice. Be in your own squad. Make it public and call it something like "Ambush ISK and WP grind". Then every time you enter a match press "select", then select the option for "team chat" and scroll to all of the peeps without a squad and invite them. Then play the match. Then repeat for two or three matches. You'll have a full squad after 3 ambushes in most cases.
I have single handidly switched the tides of battle with an orbital and in really crazy games two. This is all with random peeps. When my corp is running (and they are sick) we typically crush it. Taking out 1 tank, an LAV, multiple uplinks and 8 clones in one shot of an orbital (3rd game this morning before work and before working with the corp) sky rocketing my WP through the roof.
After doing all of that, remember that Ambush is a nothing more than the quick game grind. If you average 6 minutes a game, 3 extra minutes for loading screen, and finding a game you are looking at about 13 games per two hours at an avg of 200k isk per battle. If you are running orbitals there is no excuse to not be at over 1k WP and in some cases over 2k WP. I stomp with an 8k ISK build daily with a team of newbs and sometimes I pick up people with their own tanks. When that happens I can av enemy tanks as support for squad tanks.
You cannot be successful in ambush without a squad. Unless you come in, get to the other end of the map, Pop down multiple uplinks and wait at 0/0 or something and when others are sick of losing clones they spawn with you and hide. But is 300 WP worth it to sit for more than 5 or 6 minutes? I submit that it's not.
All of that being said, I have my 0/5 or 0/7 days with 300 WP. It happens. But ambush is a grind of cluster f'n fun as far as I am concerned...now. I used to hate the tank spam but since I started doing the orbitals it doesn't bother me anymore at all.
My ambush fit is:
Basic MIN-Logi 2 militia enhanced armor 2 militia shields Drop uplink basic scanner militia locus grenade rail rifle
About 8 to 10k depending if I add a advanced uplink or not for extra WP or a nanite injector but I still take off a LS or HS module.
EDIT: I believe that an auto squading method should be implemented allowing a round robin for leader. Orbitals are single handedly one of the most powerful tools in the game. Not shooting for them or using them or not squading up "because I'm new and don't know how" is not an excuse. Again, I almost ALWAYS invite current players into a squad. I also do it as a charity to new players. Other times I get some sick players who stomp others AND we get the orbital. |
Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
70
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:47:00 -
[59] - Quote
Darken-Soul wrote:Fenix Alexarr wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:Use the squad finder. Solo players leave themselves at a huge disadvantage. You can still run around and pretend you are Rambo, but the chances are you will have at least 5 other guys on your team that get what Dust is about.
Every one has justifications for their behaviors, notice I didn't say reasons. If you reason it out you would be in a squad.
Rambo wouldn't be here crying that battle is too tough for him. He isn't. He is saying it is too tough for new players, which it is. Read his posts, he is complaining that he cant be effective against squads by himself. He always has a reason he doesn't want to be in a squad. perhaps a different game would suit him. I am just giving advice to someone who clearly needs help. Or maybe you could read the post... I'm not asking for help for me. I have a good corp and a squad when I want it. I'm also not complaining about being effective against a squad as a solo player. I understand that running into a group of 6 guys by myself is a pretty bad idea in 95% of situations. I'm talking about the 'filthy casuals' and how they feel. "HURRR DURRR SQUAD UP" is not a solution to the problem of fresh recruits being put against a team that has several organized squads queue sync'ing and ending up on the same team. Putting those fresh recruits against even unorganized highly skilled/experienced players is also a problem. As stated in the OP that you didn't bother to read, "Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'." Without the lobby shooter, there's nothing else that a solo player can do without having a bunch of experience under his belt or very serious masochistic tendencies (solo ambush). Your opening sentence was about solo players. All your posts are about ambush and not being in squads. What conclusion were you hoping I would come to? Were you here in open beta? That's how long I've been training new players. I have a corp made up of mostly casual players. Making it easy for the solo player is not the way to go. New guys get the shaft. It sucks. I have always been there for any one who wants to learn. CCP doesn't really care about gear disparity or NPE. They never have. We as leaders must do that on our own. I am telling you and new players to use the squad finder. Read the descriptions. I know I run a training squad or Big Bad HQ most days. There is plenty of people and resources to bridge the gap.
Props for pushing new players toward success. I've been around since closed beta. I've not been keeping up on skill point caps as I have other games that I play.
But yeah, new players don't always see that bridge across the gap. Player attrition is high. I'm glad that you're pushing people to squad up since that can increase their chances, but the skill/gear/sp disparity still exists. A squad of 6 noobs is still going to get wtfstomped by 6 hardened vets. I'm not trying to put anyone down, but that's what the imgur album was about. There are people in these games consistently getting pounded into the ground with no help from the people responsible for the matchmaker in sight. |
Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
70
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:51:00 -
[60] - Quote
Eko Sol wrote:Fenix Alexarr wrote:http://imgur.com/a/k6ttm
I just spent my MLK evening playing some Dust and I decided after a couple of matches to take some screens of the outcomes of random Ambush - the most likely game mode for people to play (new or old) if running solo.
As you can see, the past few hours have done nothing for my personal KDR. I'd like to call your attention to the matches where there was an entire team of people from the same corporation communicating on comms, stomping the randoms' guts out.
This isn't such a big deal since it is allowed of course. But I have to ask myself if the devs would think this was a fun game as a solo random on what is supposed to be the most dead night of the week (no one needs SP practically).
Is this your intention? I'm asking CCP Logibro and CCP Soxfour specifically. I know sox has some appendicitis going on, but this goes for anyone filling in for him. Does this look like fun?
I've been to fanfest (the 10 yr anniversary was spectacular btw). I've been in Dust's beta since I was allowed. I play when I can. Give me one good reason why you think that you deserve any money from the 'filthy casuals' with a match making system that is broken beyond words.
I get it, you want new features for the PC guys (I'm a software engineer by trade - I get it). But what about your casuals that just want to log in and play a few matches? The difficulty curve is simply not a curve anymore. It's worse than the cliff that is eve. The noobs that have no where to go for a lack of time commitment are the ones that suffer here.
there is of course that whole 'HTFU'... As a seven year + eve vet, I'm more than familiar. But there's nothing to harden up to. When there is zero room for growth as a player, your only option is to simply quit. I was able to do what I could with the linked groups, but I'm not going to be in all of these matches. When are you going to take a stand and say that pre-made groups need to be stuck with pre-made groups to play against? Feeding noobs to the grinder is what happens in Eve. We can get away with it somewhat since there's more to do than 'lobby shooter'.
I'm here asking on behalf of the noobs. Help us developers. New suits won't save us. You're our only hope! A little advice. Be in your own squad. Make it public and call it something like "Ambush ISK and WP grind". Then every time you enter a match press "select", then select the option for "team chat" and scroll to all of the peeps without a squad and invite them. Then play the match. Then repeat for two or three matches. You'll have a full squad after 3 ambushes in most cases. I have single handidly switched the tides of battle with an orbital and in really crazy games two. This is all with random peeps. When my corp is running (and they are sick) we typically crush it. Taking out 1 tank, an LAV, multiple uplinks and 8 clones in one shot of an orbital (3rd game this morning before work and before working with the corp) sky rocketing my WP through the roof. After doing all of that, remember that Ambush is a nothing more than the quick game grind. If you average 6 minutes a game, 3 extra minutes for loading screen, and finding a game you are looking at about 13 games per two hours at an avg of 200k isk per battle. If you are running orbitals there is no excuse to not be at over 1k WP and in some cases over 2k WP. I stomp with an 8k ISK build daily with a team of newbs and sometimes I pick up people with their own tanks. When that happens I can av enemy tanks as support for squad tanks. You cannot be successful in ambush without a squad. Unless you come in, get to the other end of the map, Pop down multiple uplinks and wait at 0/0 or something and when others are sick of losing clones they spawn with you and hide. But is 300 WP worth it to sit for more than 5 or 6 minutes? I submit that it's not. All of that being said, I have my 0/5 or 0/7 days with 300 WP. It happens. But ambush is a grind of cluster f'n fun as far as I am concerned...now. I used to hate the tank spam but since I started doing the orbitals it doesn't bother me anymore at all. My ambush fit is: Basic MIN-Logi 2 militia enhanced armor 2 militia shields Drop uplink basic scanner militia locus grenade rail rifle About 8 to 10k depending if I add a advanced uplink or not for extra WP or a nanite injector but I still take off a LS or HS module. EDIT: I believe that an auto squading method should be implemented allowing a round robin for leader. Orbitals are single handedly one of the most powerful tools in the game. Not shooting for them or using them or not squading up "because I'm new and don't know how" is not an excuse. Again, I almost ALWAYS invite current players into a squad. I also do it as a charity to new players. Other times I get some sick players who stomp others AND we get the orbital.
I've done this before. It's a decent stop gap measure, but problems still exist. The concern that I've had with this setup is that as people join my squad, it could potentially be weighted heavier in the 'match maker' to put us against other squads that are more organized/skilled.
I use my skinweave logi suit for a similar setup for ambush when I'm feeling cheap. Quite effective. I swap the scanner for a nanohive since I'm usually solo. I also use my exile instead of the rail rifle for a totally BPO setup.
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Eko Sol
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
69
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:02:00 -
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Fenix Alexarr wrote: I've done this before. It's a decent stop gap measure, but problems still exist. The concern that I've had with this setup is that as people join my squad, it could potentially be weighted heavier in the 'match maker' to put us against other squads that are more organized/skilled.
I use my skinweave logi suit for a similar setup for ambush when I'm feeling cheap. Quite effective. I swap the scanner for a nanohive since I'm usually solo. I also use my exile instead of the rail rifle for a totally BPO setup.
If you believe it's hard for new players than pull the charity and bring em into your squad and put a quick blurb "who's sorta new and who's sorta experienced?", "ok, follow the green guys and wear cheap fits", "shooting for 2500 total WP for the win". Done.
I don't understand 100% why it's CCP responsibility to make the game more conducive for new players. They make a game and people that like it play it and people that don't don't.
I, personally, want new players and believe that it's not only ameteur but downright stupid not to be conducive to newer players. That being said, when I don't like the game anymore I'll move on. FFXIII-3 comes out next month, MGS has two games coming out, and there are like 3 others I want to play. I am even considering getting a 2ds/3ds just for bravely default and a couple of other games.
If I have ANY concern it is that someone else is going to steal this idea and make a better version of a game like this. When that happens, i don't get to transfer my SP. 1st world problems I guess.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1083
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:16:00 -
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I'm sorry, CCP believes in hardcore r*pe mode. This is why all the little p*ssy nerds are the only customers left for them. CCP is apparently happy about that low player base. They call it player "loyalty". That is what they call it in Iceland anyway. I'm from America and here we call that bull and sh*t.
The last thing real ppl want when they come home from dealing with reality is "hardcore" in a game. They want fun. Several companies learned how to harness that and package it just fine a long time ago. CCP apparently thought the basement kiddie wannabe crowd was worth more money. That has yet to be proven.
This is why CCP is still a little fail company from a third rate island of ice and Sony didn't think they were worth it enough to actually buy their company and market the ever living sh*t out of their product.
If only I could buy that company. Ah, to dream. I'm still trying to figure out a legal angle on the Atlanta White Wolf office.
What I'm saying is that if you want things to change you'll have to go shoot at a statue in Jita. To date that is the only time CCP noticeably listened to complaints.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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Ku Shala
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
777
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:28:00 -
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I use ambush to make blueberry jam. Cooking instructions: take 3-4 uplinks drop them ( try and spread them evenly) Use in open areas if you are a d!ck watch as your WP Goes to about 1000 collect 300 000 isk almost instantly Repeat tip: find a supply depot and switch to a free suit this will cost you nothing. if you cant find a SD head for the hills.
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Apply today!
For the State
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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
44
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:31:00 -
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lee corwood wrote:For the newer player base, I'm surprised any of them are still here. The community is doing what it can to help the newer players since NOTHING in this game strives to help them along. The Academy is a joke with only a brief reprise before sending them to the meat grinder. I myself haven't played ambush for over 3 patches now because of this.
I just play ambush to hone my shoot game before 1.7 dropped?! Now I spend 95% of my play time swarming tanks(all six of em), and running from infantry with rail rifles against my M512 sub(because there isn't a sidearm developed that stands a chance against 60 dps). Going to keep playing when I can stomach it. Last night I was playing as a random and jumped in a squad with 3 guys who were camping an uplink. I said "man let the guys get in so we can fight", but they said "we got all the points man, and they got rail rifles! We'll get annihilated!" That's sad?!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Denn Maell
PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives
91
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:35:00 -
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What I don't understand isGǪwhy all the metrics and math in matchmaking? If we don't have the player base for matchmaking to work, why use it? When we know it cannot work.
Maybe I'm just frustrated but at this point I'd settle for a simple squad sorter so that q-synced squads can't role together against dewberries.
The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field:
One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
159
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:16:00 -
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Well... its nice to see some of the vets coming out to bat as of late, however it just sucks to see the actual mentality. I expected to be stormed on and called a whiner and care bear, I have less then a month actual playing game time under my belt, but when I see the other vets responses to tier own peers, I see just how bad its gotten.
Perhaps t was a gradual process, as the more sportsman like players slowly drifted away from the game, as I find it hard to beleie the community grew around the current majority populace.
However I also think its a lack of action, we can talk all we like, and noble sentiment is all well and good, it all it takes for evil to triumph is good men to do nothing.
So yes make all the forum posts out want, beg and plead for CCP to take notice and fix things, and maybe they will, maybe they won't, we don't know. Forum posts fix nothing, your actions can, send ultimatums, leave corps that do this. Purposely seek out the purpotraters and make them pay. Kill em in faction warfare, double tap very one you manage to kill, do something
It seems drastic but do nothing fixes nothing. The are no other ways to discourage it. Your taxes support them, your helping themin pcs supports it, your running in the same squad and reviving their protos and repairing them supports it. As long as they can do it with minimka risk they will do it, and if we can't make it risky for them in the match their stomping itself, make em pay in other modes or when their not stomping.
Seriously for vets that have no issue threatening each other, or newberries, it would bloody well be nice to see yours actually do something. Talk is cheap, as they say, and if your going to depend on the game developer who has historicly stalled and prioritized things undeserving of a quick fix, your fools. How many patches before they get to fix it? How many patches before our player base isn't even deserving the continued server fees?
If you truly enjoy this game make it survive, take action when action is needed, organize when organization is needed, and grief your ******* heart out when a person or group is deserving to be briefed. Don't cry to CCP to fix something, that is inherently a player problem. Is it ccps fault matchmaking is broken? Yes. Is its ccps fault that plays and corps deliberately and purposefully abuse this fact, knowing full well its unfair, and continue to do so for no regard of the rest of then player base? No, it is the players fault, and their fault alone for it.
They allowed it, supported it (directly or inderectly, intentionally or not), turned a blind eye to it, and it has become a matter of course at this point. It has become more prominently noticed in 1.7 because even players who could normally handle these type of environments, be it because jier squared or just that good, e being overwhelmed, and BC there are loud mouths like me on the forums now.
I look forward to seeing you re tomorrow, as if you can't support the no proto for a week, your scum.
And I will be taking your name, posting on here, and encourage you to be disowned. Be it by your corp, your friends, your alliance, or just my fellow newberries to target your ass and grind it into the dirt as best our little newberry asses can. Action needs to be taken, hate me, loathe me, laugh at me, say I'm a whiner, do what you want.
And you vets that see our plight, that acknowledge what is going on, htfu and do something about it.
How many players do we needto lose before its fixed? HHe many have we already lost? And how many can we lose before the market needed to support this game is exhausted? 600 new plays a day, but the play base never grows.... that means there are 600 new players that come to this game daily, play it, are burned, and will probably never return to give it another chance, especially with the ps4 out.
Sure wait for CCP to fix it, though will it even be worth fixing for them by the time CCP gets around to it?
Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
233
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:54:00 -
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It's a catch 22 we dont have the player base for good match making and we cant get the player base becuase we don't have good match making.
frankly untill we have enough players to support tiered pubs I think ambush shouldn't allow vehicle deployment, and pub matches should be limited to a max of ADV gear. |
Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1629
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:19:00 -
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here, based on those you went against, did you come across a lot of tanks?
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1629
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:21:00 -
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devonus durga wrote:Well... its nice to see some of the vets coming out to bat as of late, however it just sucks to see the actual mentality. I expected to be stormed on and called a whiner and care bear, I have less then a month actual playing game time under my belt, but when I see the other vets responses to tier own peers, I see just how bad its gotten.
Perhaps t was a gradual process, as the more sportsman like players slowly drifted away from the game, as I find it hard to beleie the community grew around the current majority populace.
However I also think its a lack of action, we can talk all we like, and noble sentiment is all well and good, it all it takes for evil to triumph is good men to do nothing.
So yes make all the forum posts out want, beg and plead for CCP to take notice and fix things, and maybe they will, maybe they won't, we don't know. Forum posts fix nothing, your actions can, send ultimatums, leave corps that do this. Purposely seek out the purpotraters and make them pay. Kill em in faction warfare, double tap very one you manage to kill, do something
It seems drastic but do nothing fixes nothing. The are no other ways to discourage it. Your taxes support them, your helping themin pcs supports it, your running in the same squad and reviving their protos and repairing them supports it. As long as they can do it with minimka risk they will do it, and if we can't make it risky for them in the match their stomping itself, make em pay in other modes or when their not stomping.
Seriously for vets that have no issue threatening each other, or newberries, it would bloody well be nice to see yours actually do something. Talk is cheap, as they say, and if your going to depend on the game developer who has historicly stalled and prioritized things undeserving of a quick fix, your fools. How many patches before they get to fix it? How many patches before our player base isn't even deserving the continued server fees?
If you truly enjoy this game make it survive, take action when action is needed, organize when organization is needed, and grief your ******* heart out when a person or group is deserving to be briefed. Don't cry to CCP to fix something, that is inherently a player problem. Is it ccps fault matchmaking is broken? Yes. Is its ccps fault that plays and corps deliberately and purposefully abuse this fact, knowing full well its unfair, and continue to do so for no regard of the rest of then player base? No, it is the players fault, and their fault alone for it.
They allowed it, supported it (directly or inderectly, intentionally or not), turned a blind eye to it, and it has become a matter of course at this point. It has become more prominently noticed in 1.7 because even players who could normally handle these type of environments, be it because jier squared or just that good, e being overwhelmed, and BC there are loud mouths like me on the forums now.
I look forward to seeing you re tomorrow, as if you can't support the no proto for a week, your scum.
And I will be taking your name, posting on here, and encourage you to be disowned. Be it by your corp, your friends, your alliance, or just my fellow newberries to target your ass and grind it into the dirt as best our little newberry asses can. Action needs to be taken, hate me, loathe me, laugh at me, say I'm a whiner, do what you want.
And you vets that see our plight, that acknowledge what is going on, htfu and do something about it.
How many players do we needto lose before its fixed? HHe many have we already lost? And how many can we lose before the market needed to support this game is exhausted? 600 new plays a day, but the play base never grows.... that means there are 600 new players that come to this game daily, play it, are burned, and will probably never return to give it another chance, especially with the ps4 out.
Sure wait for CCP to fix it, though will it even be worth fixing for them by the time CCP gets around to it?
I to have begun double tapping proto suits now!
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:27:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:I'm sorry, CCP believes in hardcore r*pe mode. This is why all the little p*ssy nerds are the only customers left for them. CCP is apparently happy about that low player base. They call it player "loyalty". That is what they call it in Iceland anyway. I'm from America and here we call that bull and sh*t.
The last thing real ppl want when they come home from dealing with reality is "hardcore" in a game. They want fun. Several companies learned how to harness that and package it just fine a long time ago. CCP apparently thought the basement kiddie wannabe crowd was worth more money. That has yet to be proven.
This is why CCP is still a little fail company from a third rate island of ice and Sony didn't think they were worth it enough to actually buy their company and market the ever living sh*t out of their product.
If only I could buy that company. Ah, to dream. I'm still trying to figure out a legal angle on the Atlanta White Wolf office.
What I'm saying is that if you want things to change you'll have to go shoot at a statue in Jita. To date that is the only time CCP noticeably listened to complaints.
Hold on are you talking about a games development who have built the most successful persistent sci-fi mmo ever? With offices in multiple countries across the globe?
Or are you refering to the skeleton who are currently building this game? I don't know what it is with americans but unless it's big, loud and obnoxiously crude you don't seem to appreciate it.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
686
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:31:00 -
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Why do people always complain about pubstomping? if you dont like it just leave the match. |
LEHON Xeon
Pradox XVI Proficiency V.
92
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:38:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Why do people always complain about pubstomping? if you dont like it just leave the match.
That's what I do overall if I'm playing solo. Won't do it in a squad unless we all leave. However, to me it just isn't cost effective when I see 6 Nyain San guys in the other team lineup because I know there'll be a minimum of 3 tanks on the field that won't ever get destroyed, so I just leave. I'm not going to waste multiple logistic fits only to end up breaking even on the KDR for the match or slightly negative.
It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
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Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
74
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Posted - 2014.01.22 02:54:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Why do people always complain about pubstomping? if you dont like it just leave the match.
We complain, because it isn't always obvious that you're outclassed. After a couple of deaths, you realize how pointless the match is, and you don't want to sacrifice what SP and ISK you've earned. Plus, it's just crappy to have to leave. |
Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
74
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Posted - 2014.01.22 02:54:00 -
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Denn Maell wrote:What I don't understand isGǪwhy all the metrics and math in matchmaking? If we don't have the player base for matchmaking to work, why use it? When we know it cannot work.
Maybe I'm just frustrated but at this point I'd settle for a simple squad sorter so that q-synced squads can't role together against dewberries.
This would be a pretty common sense measure that would clean up a lot of problem cases. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
4131
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Posted - 2014.01.22 03:39:00 -
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I swear they didn't mean to stomp you, they're just too awesome.
Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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Espartoi
Zero-Day Attack Zero-Day
0
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Posted - 2014.01.22 03:52:00 -
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I don't understand why are complains about a broken matchmaking system that in first place it doesn't exist. Just play and if the match is too unbalanced just get out and find another one or don't play ambush. |
Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising
266
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Posted - 2014.01.22 04:19:00 -
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I hate ambush but I play it with corpmates from time to time but I like Dom and Skirm more |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
2231
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Posted - 2014.01.22 04:29:00 -
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Played 2 hours of Ambush today and pulled around 3m, 90% solo. It was extremely rare to find a match without a full protostomp squad running multiple Ion Cannons. If they didn't have dedicated tanks, half the teams would spam Somas when they started to lose. Now I just LogiBro and rep/rez people and spam links. Still pull 250k a game and the stomping makes it fast but everyone below me is getting around 100k. Lucky if they don't lose twice that in ADV suits. Everyone runs MLT or is in a PRO squad, making payouts worse and driving more players to tanks. Ambush is dead. Skirmish is all I actually enjoy in 1.7, used to enjoy ALL modes.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
161
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Posted - 2014.01.22 05:45:00 -
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Espartoi wrote:I don't understand why are complains about a broken matchmaking system that in first place it doesn't exist. Just play and if the match is too unbalanced just get out and find another one or don't play ambush.
Your a fool, the issue isn't the people on this forum. We know he issues going into pub and we go in knowing what we will be facing. The issue is that, 1, I enjoy a good balanced ambush more then any other mode, 2. The hundreds of players that join this game and face this each day, and the hundreds of payers who play ambush each day hoping for a match hey can enjoy.
And its not just limited to ambush, the stompers go to come as well. Even skirm Is occasionally stomped. And considering peoples time restraints, ambush is the quickest match we can do.
Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
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Sgt Buttscratch
1362
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Posted - 2014.01.22 06:22:00 -
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Match making is purely pathetic, close to non existant. This here is soley the reason why the game will not ever gather more players( a decent amount), It's just over the top. You get out of academy, with starter fits and a few MLT fits, and still no understanding of how the different weapons, roles, vehicles, gamemodes and dust514 in general works. Right into a battle with players with upto 3x the HP and a lot more damage, not only that but you have a MLT AR, they have prototype rail rifles, combat rifles, madrugars. You cannot hide because their radars scanning NON stop. If you do manage to hurt one he is sat in the middle of prototype triage hive, with a core fuckassed rep tool on him. This is not a learning curve, this is a tedius process that in reality you will have to go through for months before starting to really stand upto these players. Telling the people that the game needs to survive (new players/new customers) to get gud, HTFU, this is New Eden or even find a squad does not cut it. It's a major major downfall in the game design and in a way its the games death sentance. After all this is a game on the PS3, there are plenty of other shooters that offer a game that can be enjoyed from the get go, offer much fairer battles, and does not punish people for being new. People playing the playstation have much less patience for bullshit games. The gaming community I hail from is 6000 members strong across various platforms, after reviews of the game came out only about 10 actually tried it, after they got to review it themselves only 1 survived. Meanwhile other games you have to pay for are jam packed with members.
In my opinion this situation and game modes must become a priority. Matchmaking, needs to be there!!! PVE, will help entertain newer players and retain current players and bring back some of those who left. Game modes, there are only 2, deathmatch and hack. Skirmish and dom are the same thing in reality, FW is skirm, PC is skirm. No matter what you try in this game there is only 2 game modes.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
76
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Posted - 2014.01.22 08:05:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Match making is purely pathetic, close to non existant. This here is soley the reason why the game will not ever gather more players( a decent amount), It's just over the top. You get out of academy, with starter fits and a few MLT fits, and still no understanding of how the different weapons, roles, vehicles, gamemodes and dust514 in general works. Right into a battle with players with upto 3x the HP and a lot more damage, not only that but you have a MLT AR, they have prototype rail rifles, combat rifles, madrugars. You cannot hide because their radars scanning NON stop. If you do manage to hurt one he is sat in the middle of prototype triage hive, with a core fuckassed rep tool on him. This is not a learning curve, this is a tedius process that in reality you will have to go through for months before starting to really stand upto these players. Telling the people that the game needs to survive (new players/new customers) to get gud, HTFU, this is New Eden or even find a squad does not cut it. It's a major major downfall in the game design and in a way its the games death sentance. After all this is a game on the PS3, there are plenty of other shooters that offer a game that can be enjoyed from the get go, offer much fairer battles, and does not punish people for being new. People playing the playstation have much less patience for bullshit games. The gaming community I hail from is 6000 members strong across various platforms, after reviews of the game came out only about 10 actually tried it, after they got to review it themselves only 1 survived. Meanwhile other games you have to pay for are jam packed with members.
In my opinion this situation and game modes must become a priority. Matchmaking, needs to be there!!! PVE, will help entertain newer players and retain current players and bring back some of those who left. Game modes, there are only 2, deathmatch and hack. Skirmish and dom are the same thing in reality, FW is skirm, PC is skirm. No matter what you try in this game there is only 2 game modes.
Despite the grammar of the above. This is pretty much spot on. |
Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6
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If/When PvE comes out the PvP game modes will become very very quiet... that's my prediction anyway.
It's extremely difficult when training new players in Dust 101 when I have to get the whole squad to back out of a match because I look at the opposing team and see multiple squads from the same corp synced up.
There's no point as you're never going to be able to demonstrate anything, most newberrys come out of academy accidentally, they just kind of fluked the required WP without really understanding why.
To my knowledge academy is specifically Domination? This isn't very good as I've had students come in who had never hacked anything before (because there's only one obj and very few installations), let alone an objective and had played a total of 4 matches.
Even players I know of who were exceptionally good and were able to do very well in even their starter fits have left because of this.
Back to my original point, PvE is probably where I'd end up living, matchmaking based on SP is unfair as it will force people to never try a different build/style and due to my time zone my main play time is when all the proto stompers come out in the US time zone. PvE would give me something else to do if I just feel like playing a fairly straight forward few matches/grinding. |
Marad''er
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
500
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Posted - 2014.01.22 08:14:00 -
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Looked like fun for the enemy team lol
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Teilka Darkmist
35
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Monkey MAC wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:I'm sorry, CCP believes in hardcore r*pe mode. This is why all the little p*ssy nerds are the only customers left for them. CCP is apparently happy about that low player base. They call it player "loyalty". That is what they call it in Iceland anyway. I'm from America and here we call that bull and sh*t.
The last thing real ppl want when they come home from dealing with reality is "hardcore" in a game. They want fun. Several companies learned how to harness that and package it just fine a long time ago. CCP apparently thought the basement kiddie wannabe crowd was worth more money. That has yet to be proven.
This is why CCP is still a little fail company from a third rate island of ice and Sony didn't think they were worth it enough to actually buy their company and market the ever living sh*t out of their product.
If only I could buy that company. Ah, to dream. I'm still trying to figure out a legal angle on the Atlanta White Wolf office.
What I'm saying is that if you want things to change you'll have to go shoot at a statue in Jita. To date that is the only time CCP noticeably listened to complaints. Hold on are you talking about a games development who have built the most successful persistent sci-fi mmo ever? With offices in multiple countries across the globe? Or are you refering to the skeleton who are currently building this game? I don't know what it is with americans but unless it's big, loud and obnoxiously crude you don't seem to appreciate it.
I should also point out that we don't know the full extent of how much CCP listen to the players. Eve players don't find out how many ideas CCP run past the CSM (they're the only game company that has what is essentially a player elected focus board) and are told that it's not a good idea, because of NDA's. All we know is the ones that slip through. And Monkey MAC is right. The Dust team isn't anywhere near the size of the Eve team and they are working on the numerous bugs that any MMO develops over the first years of it's life and trying to bring the veteran players new content at the same time.
Just because Eve and now dust aren't the out of control, corporate money printing machine that something like WOW is doesn't mean it's worse. Eve has been around for 10 years and is continually being improved and added to. On a single server, where everything you do in the game affects the universe even if it's just in a small way, In WoW or pretty much all the big MMo's the players make absolutely no impact on the game or on the dev companies. Do CCP and the New Eden games have their faults? Yes, they do. Of course they do. But they do listen to the players and they try to fix the problems that come up. But they're only human and can only do so much.
As to your national pride and bombastic attitude, America has the largest divide between the rich and the poor of any western country. It has the most number of it's citizens in prison. It's politicians make laws that consign people who aren't straight white men to second class citizens. It has one of the worst literacy rates in western nations and it's financial system was one of the prime causes of the global economic crisis. It's also the largest polluter in the world and won't commit to doing anything about it. It's politicians, despite a supposed seperation of church and state, continually use the bible and their personal interpretation of certain small sections of it to justify legislation against anything that scares them. And the united states of america is the only country in the world to have actually used weapons of mass destruction.
I could probably go on, if I didn't have to go out to work now, but I think I've made my point
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Posted - 2014.01.22 12:22:00 -
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End of match screengrab of the winning 'team' in an EU 16vs16 Ambush.
I don't need to show the losing side....
I'm fairly sure out of the 32 players in this game 26 of them had no fun at all.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:02:00 -
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As a long time player, I had to quit playing for a while. The game is in a way the best it has ever been and at the same time its the worst as well. With out a proper matchmaking system, different game modes AND pve dust just isn't playable right now for me. I am eager and hopeful for the future of dust for now though I have been playing some of the other games out there and waiting. |
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:36:00 -
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We are 138 wrote:As a long time player, I had to quit playing for a while. The game is in a way the best it has ever been and at the same time its the worst as well. With out a proper matchmaking system, different game modes AND pve dust just isn't playable right now for me. I am eager and hopeful for the future of dust for now though I have been playing some of the other games out there and waiting.
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Lt Royal
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:43:00 -
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Sorry, how can you say you've been here since closed beta and you can't get an upper hand on any match?
You should also have millions of SP to help you in your survivability and the experience for situational awareness on map knowledge.....
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:45:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Get rid of squads and v¦¦e¦¦h¦¦i¦¦c¦¦l¦¦e¦¦s¦¦ ¦¦ in ambush.
Maybe if the ISK payout was garbage. If you can't play the full game you shouldn't get the same payout..
So what if you remove tanks? what's the next OP equipment down the list?
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lee corwood
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:47:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Sorry, how can you say you've been here since closed beta and you can't get an upper hand on any match?
You should also have millions of SP to help you in your survivability and the experience for situational awareness on map knowledge.....
I don't think that's what he's saying. Even the best players can have a difficult time when matched against a TEAM of organized/good players. He's pointing out from the perspective of newer bbs. Looking at the list, looking at how many of those players have 0/0 or negative, he's asking how CCP can expect newer players to see that as a fun situation. He's not complaining about his situation, he's saying look through the eyes of player just getting into this game.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:50:00 -
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1. Stop playing as a "solo random", use the squad finder for **** sake. This game isn't intended to be played as a "solo random", never was, never will be. If you insist on playing as a solo random then you deserve to get the snot kicked out or you by more coordinated players, and I certainly won't give a crap if you think it's "fun" or not.
2. Stop playing Ambush. The game mode is stupid and does nothing to promote actual teamwork like Skirmish does. Both PC and FW are skirmish-only for a reason.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:50:00 -
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Fenix Alexarr wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Why do people always complain about pubstomping? if you dont like it just leave the match. We complain, because it isn't always obvious that you're outclassed. After a couple of deaths, you realize how pointless the match is, and you don't want to sacrifice what SP and ISK you've earned. Plus, it's just crappy to have to leave. Throw that silly pride of yours in the back seat and you wont have any problems. This stuff isnt even real. As soon as i see a dangerous corp i leave. why? Only a fool who is full of pride would stay thats why. |
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