I would feel more sympathy for snipers if 99% of them weren't in the redline. Personally, I have no objection to more damage if you have things such as scope sway, etc.

I would feel more sympathy for snipers if 99% of them weren't in the redline.


Personally, I have no objection to more damage if you have things such as bullet drop, target leading, scope sway, etc. Because as it stands presently you can sit miles off with a perfectly still scope, point, and click. It's not massively effective, though it can do some damage, unless you're using a Thale's but there is no risk or skill involved in it.

If that were changed, I think the sniper would be in a more satisfying place.
Right now, though, snipers having much more damage would result in even more matches becoming a contest of redline faggotry.

if u think 99% of snipers are behind the redline and with the hit detection/render issues its as easy as point/click u have zero opinion about anything relating to snipers.

I would feel more sympathy for snipers if 99% of them weren't in the redline.


Personally, I have no objection to more damage if you have things such as bullet drop, target leading, scope sway, etc. Because as it stands presently you can sit miles off with a perfectly still scope, point, and click. It's not massively effective, though it can do some damage, unless you're using a Thale's but there is no risk or skill involved in it.

If that were changed, I think the sniper would be in a more satisfying place.
Right now, though, snipers having much more damage would result in even more matches becoming a contest of redline faggotry.

I agree that redline snipers should all be killed, but saying it's 99% is exaggerating it far too much. Personally when I'm sniping I'm more often found nearer the opposing teams redline than my own.

Bullet drop and target leading are negated by the speed of the bullets. They travel at around 2 kilometers a second. The couple of hundred meters they have to travel are such a small fraction of a second that the target doesn't have chance to move far enough for leading to matter and there's not enough time for drop to be significant.

We already have scope sway, unless you're crouched and therefore bracing the rifle, which would at worst reduce sway at best eliminate it. Personally I think a sniper should go prone rather than crouch, but I since that would affect only players with a single type of weapon I can understand why they haven't added it, there's more important things to work on first.

Also the hit detection on a sniper rifle is appalling. I can have my scope lined up on the head of a target, have it turn red even and then have the system decide I completely missed and there be no damage to my target.

Snipers don't need increased damage, we need better hit detection and a frakking zoom on at least advanced and prototype scopes. Ever tried to hit something that's considerably smaller than what you have to use to aim?

Bro Im all for making snipers more skilled but if your gonna give it bullet drop a headshots gotta kill no matter what and I dont think that meduim frames and heavies will be to fond of that .......... p.s. the dmg would have to be like 300 at std with 250% headshot bonus

Rails do not have bullet drop.

If they did, they would not be rails.

The sniper rifle is a rail.

Bullet drop on the PRECISION RIFLE would make sense.

Eh?
A railgun uses electromagnetic fields to propel its projectile. It is still a projectile based weapon. It is firing a solid chunk of matter that is affected by gravity and takes time to travel.

Eh?
A railgun uses electromagnetic fields to propel its projectile. It is still a projectile based weapon. It is firing a solid chunk of matter that is affected by gravity and takes time to travel.

99% of snipers ARE behind the redline.
And hit detection and rendering isn't a valid excuse for wanting a buff for a class - just ask for the bugs fixed.

If you think that without the bugs sniping would be any more than point and click you're bigging yourself up far too much.

Technically everything has a drop rate even light

This might be an unpopular suggestion, but I'd like a weapon class in the 100-300 range with stronger stopping power.

CCP obviously made a point with point of view blocks, recent map designs that they want their snipers to be mobile (there are still a few spots you can camp).

But a class of long range rifles which are closer to the battle which would require more roaming and kiting tactics, that don't have to be proto with full damage mods or officer status to be remoately effective would be nice. Either a new weapon class or a rebranding of the sniper rifle.

Also, I guess I should mention the final answer on this.

The netcode simply does not support bullet drop. This was said a long time ago by some dev. If it was localized to regional servers the way pub matches are, it could be done to an extent, but it simply would never work with FW or PC due to the attachments those matches have to tranquility and the rules they have to follow.

@At Arkena

distance to hypothetical target = 200 meters
travel time of flechette = (200m) / (2500m/s) = 0.12s
Acceleration due to gravity of Earth* =9.81m/s^2
Distance bullet has dropped = 0.5 * 9.81 * 0.12^2 = 0.031m (1.22 inches)

*Assuming the planets we fight on have the same gravity as Earth

Bullet drop isn't really worth it.

Travel time is though.

At a 200m range, it's going to take .1 of a second to hit the target. In that time, the bullet would have dropped a shade under a metre

if u think 99% of snipers are behind the redline and with the hit detection/render issues its as easy as point/click u have zero opinion about anything relating to snipers.

mmmmmm as a consistent counter sniper yea most snipers are behind the red line and even when targets are running its point and click.

frankly I would like a lot of the thing the OP is suggesting, not all but most. Though I would personally like to see snipers do barely more then rail rifles with a massive headshot bonus(in the 600% range).

I really kinda like what sniping has turned into lately tho, a lot of sniping has taken the form of keeping the high ground from being used or cleared by the enemy. Its turned into a real tactic instead of obnoxious farming that does not help the team.

still red line issues need to be fixed but thats an other discusion.

'Understanding the sniper in Dust 514 first requires unlearning everything you have experienced as a sniper in 99 percent of shooters. It was CCPs intention to turn the shooter upside down by replacing casual mechanics with tactical ones in what was first described as 'the most hardcore shooter ever' by the former EP. Most casual shooters that try to implement objective based gameplay find themselves polluted with what we call the 'toxic sniper' simply put, this is the player who is only concerned with his KDR and seeks out the most low risk, high reward gameplay he can find.'

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