If you need the self-repairs, fit a local armour rep. Simple.

The fact that 90% of english is bullshit, should be enough to classify you sir, as 95% bullshit.

As he mentioned, first time posting to the forums. And I did this exact same thing with my first post, which used every character available. Imagine reading that.

Someone kindly informed me that my text was hard to read, and suggested using paragraphs. I was like, oh yeah you are right, thanks cool guy.

You on the other hand, I have never seen, are likely a nobody, and jealous of us GOOD at dust. My tank be like wahhht, and you be like blooosh (you ragdolling in the air, once I get done playing with you).

DO YOU REALIZE HOW HARD YOUR POST WAS TO READ? I had to have 3 people, hold me down, one jabbing me with needles to keep me focused, and another kicking me everytime I mispronounced a word. Even then, there wasn't much to be retained, as 100% of it was bullshit.

And it makes sense, considering you are 95% bullshit yourself. (check earlier math, you WILL need someone explain it for you though)

Hey eve whats up bud.....exactly bro giving up armor for a rep hummm...maybe in gall logi since they have 5 low slots

lol...seriously? I'm Michael Epic dude, I'm one of the leading authorities with remote explosives in this game. I am freaking renowned for that mess. I'm hated as a slayer logi, constantly hate mailed for the traps I set.

Bring your tank dude....4 boundless remote explosives and you'll either be dead or running like a dog in heat from a pack of wild animals with a sparkle in their eye.

You don't know me? I don't know you either....jabroni lol

Oh yeah hey, get out of your tank....try to catch me, watch the corners you walk around because paired with proxy, remote explosive and thukker grenades...oh man, OH MAN....bad day for you sir, bad day.

In fact, go ask big bad "8213" about being spawn camped at the CRU and how I took him 16/16 with remote explosives to the point where he was so mad he hate mailed my entire corporation bitching and moaning.

You don't know me ahahahahahaha well you do now....next time I see you in FW or public...oh man, OH MAN haha I'll make sure you NEVER forget my name.

Tebu.......Ahhhhhhh hahahahaha....getem , getem,,,, absorbs swarms, getem. Deflects missles, getem. (How high movie) Orbital what, u still use them on tanks u bb lmao....he is proud of using remotes...dude i really wanted to ignore him amd not get off topic. But really famous for RE's ....lmao im not even going to entertain why that was a stupid statement....proud of RE's wow really....bro my tanker is Cloak Wolf Rider im the Ceo of The Unit the training corp for Gods among Men...go see where my tanker is on the weeklyboards...ill give u a hint. You wont need to scroll...please que sync a factional with us my squad against your squad...please...yes im begging like a little girl cuz i know u will never show....and to be fair i must tell you all my players are from....nah nvm why should i tell you that...doesnt matter where we from either except my challange now or be gone troll...we will even do caldari or amarr u can go on the esier side...20 mill says my squad wins...put up or shut up u decide Mr Epic ....ps i hope he says bring it

Dont get me wrong im an awesome logi i will adapt. I only die 2-3 times a battle if that as it is. Just think that as a logi a yrue logi being abke to rep myself something i skilled into should stay. Im a medic i can stab people i can heal people but i cant heal myself. After you ccp already have me used to this game play for a year now and ohh nvm lets jist take it away now cuz poeple are using them as assualts. I truly think the new suits and perks is enough to get the assualts to go assaults but with this new patch i feel ccp is going to make logis move to assaults since i cant rep myself might as well join the boys and let someone else worry about repping me and also if i have to carry triage hives just to tep myself then more of a reason i shouod switch to assualt thats what they do or is ccp just want everyone to play like nyain san all 60 men throwing down triage hives everywhere and yes i said all 60 men we all know that nyain san has a cheat for ghost squads in game how do you think you always getting shot from every angle possible...lol (yes Michael that was a joke)

Is it true with new patch ccp will take the self reps on my suit out of the game just so people stop using logi suits for assualts. Listen ccp im top 40 in warpoints im most likely top ten logi in the game im a true logi i been playing this gake a year this is my very first post because I feel this is a big issues for logis. Ccp im 34 years old ex navy of 15 years i have an awesome corp and love this game. Ccp listen , no one reps a logi no one. The only time i have reps is in pc other then that im solo. True logis are hard to find. Now you want me to use a slot to put a rep on so i can rep myself so less armor now on my suit. The rapid fire or whatever it is u have comong for assualts and heavys and other thngs should be enough to stop people from using logi suits as assuats but to take my reps away from my suit when no one in the game reps me ever. And if they do they suck because they not true logis like myself. True logis survive because of our suit repping itself now what use a slot have less armor. Not cool ccp not cool at all true logi's are not a dime a dozen we are rare. Dont take my logi reps from my suit. Im a bad ass but damn im not that much invincible. A i the only logi that feels this way

I've said this before but the new bonuses do not actually balance anything. Having an equipment specific (reptard tool, scanner etc) just says that people who picked a suit for the ability to fit all equipment need to actually use the piece of equipment to gain the bonus. It also means that this will theoretically unbalance WP payouts as the Intel Kill Assist a Gallente Suit will earn wil be lower than the bonus for Triage of a Minmatar Logi. Also it means that a Minmatar Logi will actually earn less WP due to an increased rep rate. This is not a balance pass it is a nerf pass and should be rethought.

sure we will just give up 200ehp to fit one, thats perfect balance against every combat class thats getting both an ehp buff and a dps buff

You don't give up 200 EHP to fit a single rep.
Even if you did, I would note that every other class already has to fit a rep. Presently, all logis have an extra low slot to fit a rep over their assault counterparts.

Why do you need as much HP and DPS as the other classes? That is not your role. Your role is to provide repairs, ammo, scans, uplinks, etc. Currently, any logi can out-tank their assault counterpart, easily. They can also typically out-damage them. Losing 5 HP/s as a bonus alone will not change that.

I will still use a Gallogi over a Gallassault simply because it is better in almost every conceivable way even without the bonus.

Or make us VAMPIRES, like in the "evil" mode of infamous. Refill your energy gauge by draining the nearly dead instead of needling them. That would be cool.

+1

What I've seen of the new suit related skill bonuses shows a trend more of sweeping changes than of fine tuning balance.
It's hard to say without numbers but the primary impression so far, if it holds, indicates these changes will be an outright nerf for players who truly adopt a support role. Logistics suits without the change are already slower, have lower eHP, are bright yellow, and are the least likely to receive support (due to their role) they also tend to be on balance more ISK/SP intensive to field a loadout with roughly equivalent stats (to their racial medium frame counterpart).

Assault suits needed some love, especially with regards to some of their skill bonuses (I've been saying this for quite awhile), Logistics suits did not need what amounts to a nerf - certainly not while other changes in the game have diminished the average TTK. Certainly not a nerf that will hamper player innovation and choice by binding optimal equipment use to racial type while making them even more fragile. Further the changes to the logi don't really discourage the creation of non-support fits based on the logi frame, combine a skill bonus to hives with repper hives and you've got something useful for an assault based logi suit, but that same suit is less effective for a support logi who aren't supposed to be on point and who frequently are moving with their squad rather than at their own mandate.

I would very much like to see numbers from CCP regarding the comparative risk vs reward value of medium frames with the new skills applied. Maybe there's a factor (or two) in there which I've overlooked or don't have access too, but so far the changes don't seem to result in a solid, or frankly even an improved, risk vs reward balance between medium frame loadouts and unless there is a clear improvement to the risk vs reward balance of those possible fits I can't help but think this is not an improvement or benefit to balance or game quality.

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PS ~ If there are numbers which contradict my assessment please do link them. I'd be more than happy to see solid information which proves my current perception to be incomplete/in error.

Thing is, I wouldn't be too surprised if the base stats for the suits and possibly the slot layouts are also being changed so it's a little premature to say. I do think the self-rep reinforced the defensive role of the class, tbh that's not where the problem lie comparing logi to assault suits but since there is an apparent big time overhaul of the suits across the board we really don't know what logi suits are going to look like at all.

Dont get me wrong im an awesome logi i will adapt. I only die 2-3 times a battle if that as it is. Just think that as a logi a yrue logi being abke to rep myself something i skilled into should stay. Im a medic i can stab people i can heal people but i cant heal myself. After you ccp already have me used to this game play for a year now and ohh nvm lets jist take it away now cuz poeple are using them as assualts. I truly think the new suits and perks is enough to get the assualts to go assaults but with this new patch i feel ccp is going to make logis move to assaults since i cant rep myself might as well join the boys and let someone else worry about repping me and also if i have to carry triage hives just to tep myself then more of a reason i shouod switch to assualt thats what they do or is ccp just want everyone to play like nyain san all 60 men throwing down triage hives everywhere and yes i said all 60 men we all know that nyain san has a cheat for ghost squads in game how do you think you always getting shot from every angle possible...lol (yes Michael that was a joke)

sure we will just give up 200ehp to fit one, thats perfect balance against every combat class thats getting both an ehp buff and a dps buff