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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:55:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Edit: O'golly me. It seems I did my math wrong and though 3 hardeners only provided a measly 79.4% resistance. It appears they provide a (much more balanced IMO) 94.6% resistance. That seems far more fitting for a tanker, they deserve the best. Gosh tankers are so skilled, and are the best kind of people. The resistance is, to the best of my knowledge: 1 - [(1 - 0.6) * (1 - 0.6 * 0.5^[((2 - 1) / 2.22292081) ^2]) * (1 - 0.6 * 0.5^[((3 - 1) / 2.22292081) ^2])]
Or, simply, 1 - [(1 - 0.6) * (1 - 0.5215) * (1 - 0.3423)]which comes out to 87.4% resistance. So, we take 12.6% damage. Not sure how you got such a high resistance. Hopefully this is correct. This is enough to have a proto swarm hitting you once every second and just rep through it. They have stacking penalties? Thank god, they might be OP if they didn't.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3700
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:56:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Where is Atiim with the Facepalm? It is sourly needed. ............................................________ ....................................,.-GÇÿGÇ¥...................``~., .............................,.-GÇ¥...................................GÇ£-., .........................,/...............................................GÇ¥:, .....................,?......................................................\, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:GÇ¥........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(.....GÇ£~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_....GÇ¥~,_........GÇ£~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......GÇ¥=,_.......GÇ£-,_.......,.-~-,},.~GÇ¥;/....} ...........((.....*~_.......GÇ¥=-._......GÇ£;,,./`..../GÇ¥............../ ...,,,___.\`~,......GÇ£~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-GÇ¥ ............/.`~,......`-...............................\....../\ .............\`~.*-,.....................................|,./.....\,__ ,,_..........}.>-._\...................................|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,_\_......`\,.................................\ ...................`=~-,,.\,...............................\ ................................`:,,...........................`\..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_\..........._,-%.......`\ ...................................,<`.._|_,-&``................`\
Kill 1 and 7 more come right back.
Makes you wonder if tankers are like zombies.
Although, that would explain a lot.
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
2202
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:01:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Edit: O'golly me. It seems I did my math wrong and though 3 hardeners only provided a measly 79.4% resistance. It appears they provide a (much more balanced IMO) 94.6% resistance. That seems far more fitting for a tanker, they deserve the best. Gosh tankers are so skilled, and are the best kind of people. The resistance is, to the best of my knowledge: 1 - [(1 - 0.6) * (1 - 0.6 * 0.5^[((2 - 1) / 2.22292081) ^2]) * (1 - 0.6 * 0.5^[((3 - 1) / 2.22292081) ^2])]
Or, simply, 1 - [(1 - 0.6) * (1 - 0.5215) * (1 - 0.3423)]which comes out to 87.4% resistance. So, we take 12.6% damage. Not sure how you got such a high resistance. Hopefully this is correct. This is enough to have a proto swarm hitting you once every second and just rep through it. They have stacking penalties? Thank god, they might be OP if they didn't. Yes. They do. The effect is almost nonexistant on the second and, while large on the third, does not matter anymore as you still have near immunity. This is why lumping large effects into a small number of modules is bad; stacking penalties don't get a chance to work. If we had more slots and 20% resists, we'd need to stack more of them and the penalties would accumulate faster. The fact that we have 60% resistances and 30% amplifiers has, imo, screwed a lot of balancing factors up.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
1064
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:26:00 -
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Now imagine an avd, or photo tank with 4-3 hardeners, and extender, and a booster.
CALDARI not so MASTER RACE
Forum Warrior Level: 10
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
2203
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:28:00 -
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6 hardeners for life! 2 hardeners 100% of the time! 3 hardeners 80% of the time!
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1673
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:29:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. We don't tell you how to fit out your dropsuit for every day use. Don't start telling us how we can fit out our tanks.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2234
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:35:00 -
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*high pitched voice backed by 90's raving tune*
Aciiiiid
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Aciiiiid
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2234
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Where is Atiim with the Facepalm? It is sourly needed. ............................................________ ....................................,.-GÇÿGÇ¥...................``~., .............................,.-GÇ¥...................................GÇ£-., .........................,/...............................................GÇ¥:, .....................,?......................................................\, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:GÇ¥........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(.....GÇ£~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_....GÇ¥~,_........GÇ£~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......GÇ¥=,_.......GÇ£-,_.......,.-~-,},.~GÇ¥;/....} ...........((.....*~_.......GÇ¥=-._......GÇ£;,,./`..../GÇ¥............../ ...,,,___.\`~,......GÇ£~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-GÇ¥ ............/.`~,......`-...............................\....../\ .............\`~.*-,.....................................|,./.....\,__ ,,_..........}.>-._\...................................|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,_\_......`\,.................................\ ...................`=~-,,.\,...............................\ ................................`:,,...........................`\..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_\..........._,-%.......`\ ...................................,<`.._|_,-&``................`\
You just beat dust, the forums and eve.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Lorhak Gannarsein
1247
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:45:00 -
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Railgun is fun, but 3x hardeners is an ISK printer ;)
gonna need that ISK for when CCP does the sensible thing and nerf tanks and raise prices [:D]
EDIT: 3x hardeners MLT blaster. You can kill anything except a 2x hardened Madrugar or another 3x hardened Gunnlogi XD
PRO tanker and proud.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
5932
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:48:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. We don't tell you how to fit out your dropsuit for every day use. Don't start telling us how we can fit out our tanks.
Nah that's pretty ******* douchey.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Lorhak Gannarsein
1248
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:53:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. We don't tell you how to fit out your dropsuit for every day use. Don't start telling us how we can fit out our tanks. Nah that's pretty ******* douchey.
It kind of is. But I'm going to use it anyway!
At least until CCP makes shield boosters useful against blasters, which they in no way are. Seems like if you take damage that'd cancel your regen before the shield booster takes effect, the booster is cancelled too. Which is kind of ridiculous.
So 3x hardeners!
Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters.
Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
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Rusty Shallows
842
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:02:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:*high pitched voice backed by 90's raving tune*
Aciiiiid
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Aciiiid
Aciiiiid That's no joke. Just how many people are medicating? When I was playing more often wit was with random squads. At least very third squad or more often someone was hitting a bong or drunk.
CCP might as well give is a Common Room link with Eve Online and we can dance to Daft Punk while enjoying our drug of choice.
MCC Lounge Lizard
Forums > Game
Fix the game CCP
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
2206
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:04:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:True Adamance wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. We don't tell you how to fit out your dropsuit for every day use. Don't start telling us how we can fit out our tanks. Nah that's pretty ******* douchey. It kind of is. But I'm going to use it anyway! At least until CCP makes shield boosters useful against blasters, which they in no way are. Seems like if you take damage that'd cancel your regen before the shield booster takes effect, the booster is cancelled too. Which is kind of ridiculous. So 3x hardeners! It's a glitch that CCP said they would fix. I run a Booster on many of my fits now and it pisses me off every time. Nothing like dieing to militia blaster because your stupid Booster decides to crap out on you.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1616
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:29:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. Also what we supposed to do? Hide in a corner till this triple hardened tank is finished.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
193
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:53:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. Also, I'd like to add that the alternative to not shooting the tank is to not shoot the tank. Simply let it massacre the team until it gets bored and bolts out of sight for a little bit to recharge it's hardeners only to do the same thing over again. Until the OP provides a better attack plan, I suggest they admit that this post was just acknowledging hardeners are OP. |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
1513
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:56:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:@ Tankers You guys are so good at this game. thank you
bout time someone sees the truth.
obviously no sarcasm in this post at all.
now time to get infantry on our level.
Main - BobThe843CakeMan
Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details.
Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
1513
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:57:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. Also what we supposed to do? Hide in a corner till this triple hardened tank is finished. yes. the hards go down and it's weak as crap.
Main - BobThe843CakeMan
Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details.
Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:00:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. Also what we supposed to do? Hide in a corner till this triple hardened tank is finished. yes. the hards go down and it's weak as crap. problem is perma, and near perma fits, you won't take down the former unless they mess up or you have a ridiculous amount of dps on your side and a huge alpha is your only choice for the latter as the vulnerability gap is often less than 10 seconds if rotated well.
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Bringer of Bacon
Knight of AMV's
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Mortedeamor
1263
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:04:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ) smart av follows u around in lavs till u hardeners burn out and then que shots u with 3 forges ..sadly such av is incredibly rare in dust nowadays
jihhhaders = av lvl 0
swarm master = av lvl 99+
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Mortedeamor
1263
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:05:00 -
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gbghg wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. Also what we supposed to do? Hide in a corner till this triple hardened tank is finished. yes. the hards go down and it's weak as crap. problem is perma, and near perma fits, you won't take down the former unless they mess up or you have a ridiculous amount of dps on your side and a huge alpha is your only choice for the latter as the vulnerability gap is often less than 10 seconds if rotated well. perma fits at best run 1 hardener..now this can be an issue but wont really be once ccp adds stacking penalties to vehicle modules..remember gunlogi suffer nothing for running 3 hardeners ..once they have a stacking penalty being perma hardened shouldnt happen
jihhhaders = av lvl 0
swarm master = av lvl 99+
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:50:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote: perma fits at best run 1 hardener..now this can be an issue but wont really be once ccp adds stacking penalties to vehicle modules..remember gunlogi suffer nothing for running 3 hardeners ..once they have a stacking penalty being perma hardened shouldnt happen
as long as its dealt with, those fits are incredibly annoying. i once got so bored trying to kill a maddy through its near perma hardeners that i just floated off to go shoot something more productive, like say the mcc.
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Bringer of Bacon
Knight of AMV's
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J0hlss0n
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
93
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:59:00 -
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DEATH DEALER 1975
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:22:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I brought out a rail HAV to deal with some reds that got on top of a building- I was then harassed by a squad of idiots shooting at me with ARs and HMGs (the HMG was even shooting well past their optimal range). They repeatedly stepped directly in front of my turret. You think that's bad? Try suiciding because that one Einstein decided to step in front of you the moment you let go of your DAU -_- I've died like this. Blueberry Scout decided to jump over my head and land in front of me as the shot went off. Had this happen so many times with my Massdriver. Also why do redberrys insist on shootign my tank with their ARs? I didn't even know they where on that ridge to the left, but I sure as hell do now *blap*
lol, I have had this happened way to often...leaving one objective only to take small arm fire from some idiot that I would of never known was there until he shoots me. |
Powerh8er
DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance
381
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:12:00 -
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The tanks need a way more vulnerable weakspot either that, make them more expensive or nerf them. The milita tanks cost less than infantry weapons. Not very balanced, might aswell just spawn cheap tank after tank instead of using expensive dropsuits.
So what should one do when the enemy tank got its hardner[s] up? Wait till the hardners are down? Then the tank is useally gone or your probably killed by infantry. I'll waste my forge guns ammo on an hardned tank any day.
Livin' large!
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1069
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:43:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP )
typical tank crutch defender.
first, at range you cannot see the hardeners second, even if he sees, there is no way to tell how many you having active third, when your hardeners run out you drive away so AV cannot shoot you when your defense is down.
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Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
38
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:58:00 -
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devonus durga wrote:Also BC it takes roughly 750k sp to get just the basic forge gun. For most of us newberries, that's a rather steep investment for a very situation dependent weapon,
Don't worry, with three hardeners it doesn't matter if your FG is militia or Proto. The result will be similar... :)
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3712
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote: We don't tell you how to fit out your dropsuit for every day use. Don't start telling us how we can fit out our tanks.
You attempt to tell AVers how to do their jobs, so now we'll tell you how to do your job.
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Be afraid pilots...
Be very afraid.
Your time is running out.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3712
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:45:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote: smart av follows u around in lavs till u hardeners burn out and then que shots u with 3 forges ..sadly such av is incredibly rare in dust nowadays
Smart tankers destroy LAVs that are following them around ...sadly such tankers is incredibly rare in dust nowadays
Be afraid pilots...
Be very afraid.
Your time is running out.
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8213
0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1397
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:12:00 -
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Apparently the only r*tarded one here is the OP...
I use proto FGs and I'll keep shooting you until you're out of my sight. Tanks aren't welcomed on my battlefield.
lol, triple hardeners... please tell me you don't actually call yourself a tanker...
Fish in a bucket!
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Michael Epic
The Neutral Zone
217
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:19:00 -
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8213 wrote:Apparently the only r*tarded one here is the OP...
I use proto FGs and I'll keep shooting you until you're out of my sight. Tanks aren't welcomed on my battlefield.
lol, triple hardeners... please tell me you don't actually call yourself a tanker...
Watch out dusters...if you mess with 'ol 8213 he'll put out his "PC FITS" and make you cry lol
*slaps his knee*
8213 wakes up from a dream grabs his PC fits like he's a one man team
He's gonna make you weep grown men pitchin' fits that's 8213 my friends world renowned punk ass b!tch ;) |
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