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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:00:00 -
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Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? ![X](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png) Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP )
Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:02:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? ![X](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png) Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ![Straight](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_straight.png) ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:04:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? ![X](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png) Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ![Straight](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_straight.png) ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. Normally, it's easy to guess by checking the damage dealt with 1 shot against it. Though I'd like a sort of warning when they've activated more than 1 , sort of like damage mods
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N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:05:00 -
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3 hardeners?
Wow.
Minmatar Assault.
Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
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Borne Velvalor
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:05:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? ![X](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png) Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ![Straight](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_straight.png) ) How can they tell the difference between one and three hardeners? Why are you using three hardeners if they're using militia forge guns, anyway?
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Scheneighnay McBob
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:05:00 -
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I brought out a rail HAV to deal with some reds that got on top of a building- I was then harassed by a squad of idiots shooting at me with ARs and HMGs (the HMG was even shooting well past their optimal range). They repeatedly stepped directly in front of my turret.
We used to have a time machine
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:06:00 -
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Also BC it takes roughly 750k sp to get just the basic forge gun. For most of us newberries, that's a rather steep investment for a very situation dependent weapon,
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:10:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I brought out a rail HAV to deal with some reds that got on top of a building- I was then harassed by a squad of idiots shooting at me with ARs and HMGs (the HMG was even shooting well past their optimal range). They repeatedly stepped directly in front of my turret. You think that's bad? Try suiciding because that one Einstein decided to step in front of you the moment you let go of your DAU -_-
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:11:00 -
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The first mistake was using Forge Gun anything.
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Borne Velvalor
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:12:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I brought out a rail HAV to deal with some reds that got on top of a building- I was then harassed by a squad of idiots shooting at me with ARs and HMGs (the HMG was even shooting well past their optimal range). They repeatedly stepped directly in front of my turret. You think that's bad? Try suiciding because that one Einstein decided to step in front of you the moment you let go of your DAU -_- I've died like this. Blueberry Scout decided to jump over my head and land in front of me as the shot went off.
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Panda.
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Scout Registry
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:13:00 -
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@ Tankers You guys are so good at this game. |
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:14:00 -
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Sometimes I like to mess with people even if I have AV. Last night I deliberately shot at a HAV with a militia Scrambler Pistol just to get them to turn around when I nade it.
Lol at my stupid mistake of not looking at his shields and noticing that he's a stacked mofo.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:16:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I brought out a rail HAV to deal with some reds that got on top of a building- I was then harassed by a squad of idiots shooting at me with ARs and HMGs (the HMG was even shooting well past their optimal range). They repeatedly stepped directly in front of my turret. You think that's bad? Try suiciding because that one Einstein decided to step in front of you the moment you let go of your DAU -_- I've died like this. Blueberry Scout decided to jump over my head and land in front of me as the shot went off.
Had this happen so many times with my Massdriver.
Also why do redberrys insist on shootign my tank with their ARs? I didn't even know they where on that ridge to the left, but I sure as hell do now *blap* |
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:19:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:@ Tankers You guys are so good at this game. I know! I'm so jelly of their finely honed skills! I wish could just get in a militia tank and be as good as they are.
Oh, wait...
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:22:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I brought out a rail HAV to deal with some reds that got on top of a building- I was then harassed by a squad of idiots shooting at me with ARs and HMGs (the HMG was even shooting well past their optimal range). They repeatedly stepped directly in front of my turret. You think that's bad? Try suiciding because that one Einstein decided to step in front of you the moment you let go of your DAU -_- I've died like this. Blueberry Scout decided to jump over my head and land in front of me as the shot went off. Had this happen so many times with my Massdriver. Also why do redberrys insist on shootign my tank with their ARs? I didn't even know they where on that ridge to the left, but I sure as hell do now *blap* I do that at times if I know some AV trying to ambush you. Plus, most tankers are terrible shots , so.......
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:27:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? ![X](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png) Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ![Straight](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_straight.png) ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. Normally, it's easy to guess by checking the damage dealt with 1 shot against it. Though I'd like a sort of warning when they've activated more than 1 , sort of like damage mods Of course, how could I forget! Its so easy to tell the difference between doing a a super OP 40% damage compared to the ultra-balanced 21.6% damage that you deal when there are 3 hardeners! Gosh, they should just make hardeners passive modules... That way no master-race tanker will ever again be unfairly killed by some FotM AVer!
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Borne Velvalor
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:31:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? ![X](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png) Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ![Straight](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_straight.png) ) How are they supposed to know? There is no way for them to tell. Also, using 3 hardeners is douchey. Normally, it's easy to guess by checking the damage dealt with 1 shot against it. Though I'd like a sort of warning when they've activated more than 1 , sort of like damage mods Of course, how could I forget! Its so easy to tell the difference between doing a a super OP 40% damage compared to the ultra-balanced 21.6% damage that you deal when there are 3 hardeners! Gosh, they should just make hardeners passive modules... That way no master-race tanker will ever again be unfairly killed by some FotM AVer! When there are 3 shield hardeners, you take less than that. Far less.
Speaking of which, this reminds me that in another post somewhere I compared the resist of 2 hardeners to 3 amps... hardeners still won, but I meant to use 3v3. Ugh.
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Panda.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:00:00 -
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Where is Atiim with the Facepalm? It is sourly needed.
My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity
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GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:19:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? ![X](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png) Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ![Straight](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_straight.png) )
Ok so tanks are GOD and we cant touch them with hardeners on? Is that fair? They should do just less damage and not 0. You just supported AV'ers with this post.
Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó
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RuckingFetard
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:25:00 -
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GET ATMESON wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? ![X](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png) Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ![Straight](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_straight.png) ) Ok so tanks are GOD and we cant touch them with hardeners on? Is that fair? They should do just less damage and not 0. You just supported AV'ers with this post. Like I even tank![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) Honestly I'm on neither one's side.
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GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:27:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:GET ATMESON wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Seriously, why shoot at triple-hardened HAVs using only Militia Forge-Guns? ![X](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png) Plus, the infantry surrounding them is usually even more ******** ( had a NovaScout try and ambush me in a complex,, with about 7 friendlies surrounding me. Finished dat bugger off with my breach ScP ![Straight](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_straight.png) ) Ok so tanks are GOD and we cant touch them with hardeners on? Is that fair? They should do just less damage and not 0. You just supported AV'ers with this post. Like I even tank ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) Honestly I'm on neither one's side.
Honesty is a hard thing to find. +1 ![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:29:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Where is Atiim with the Facepalm? It is sourly needed. Considering all that is going on the friction blisters probably make it painful now.
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Thumb Green
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:41:00 -
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They're actually proto forges but with hardeners there's no real difference.
Personally I shoot at armor hardened tanks to keep the shield down and deal a little bit of armor damage so there's less buffer between life & death as they run away when the hardener(s) goes down. Though I'm not constantly shooting it and I try to time it so the hardener(s) goes down when I'm about done reloading.
CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:56:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:The first mistake was using Forge Gun anything. the second mistake was decideding to not use a tank.
CALDARI not so MASTER RACE
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Quebec United
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Roy Ventus wrote:Sometimes I like to mess with people even if I have AV. ![Shocked](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_shocked.png) Last night I deliberately shot at a HAV with a militia Scrambler Pistol just to get them to turn around when I nade it. Lol at my stupid mistake of not looking at his shields and noticing that he's a stacked mofo.
Me and my corp ceo stayed on top of a rail tank a whole game melee him for fun. We also rode his canon he staid there like we where flies. It was a shame we had no recording equipment it would have been fun to do the best dummy montage ever ! |
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:04:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:The first mistake was using Forge Gun anything. the second mistake was decideding to not use a tank. Pauses Dragons Dogma.
The first mistake was a log in to Dust 514. The second mistake was selecting a loadout. The third mistake was decideing to play Dust 514 in its current broken state.
Goes back to playing Dragons Dogma.
Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!!
Jumps into escape pod!
Selected destination Planet PS4.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:22:00 -
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- 3 Hardeners? Go Biomass yourself
- I fire at hardened tanks all the time. It forces them to keep back and gives my team some breathing room
- $#!t players will always be $#!t players. What If I made a thread saying how tankers are slightly ******** because of all the idoits in a MLT tank?
- I'm surprised they didn't just use a tank. 3 Cycled hardners would make you near impossible to destroy if you know what your doing.
- Why do you even have 3 hardeners? If you get jumped by a Wyrikomi FG or Railgun, then you won't be able to rep the damage and eventually die anyways.
Kill 1 and 7 more come right back.
Makes you wonder if tankers are like zombies.
Although, that would explain a lot.
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Scott Knight
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:38:00 -
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I shot at a tank earlier cause I needed a quick clone change to AV and we had the clones to spare.
And just to change it around why would a tanker get out of their tank and try to recall it by an objective that we were going for? I killed him before he knew what hit him. |
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Borne Velvalor
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:42:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Edit: O'golly me. It seems I did my math wrong and though 3 hardeners only provided a measly 79.4% resistance. It appears they provide a (much more balanced IMO) 94.6% resistance. That seems far more fitting for a tanker, they deserve the best. Gosh tankers are so skilled, and are the best kind of people. The resistance is, to the best of my knowledge:
1 - [(1 - 0.6) * (1 - 0.6 * 0.5^[((2 - 1) / 2.22292081) ^2]) * (1 - 0.6 * 0.5^[((3 - 1) / 2.22292081) ^2])]
Or, simply,
1 - [(1 - 0.6) * (1 - 0.5215) * (1 - 0.3423)]
which comes out to 87.4% resistance. So, we take 12.6% damage. Not sure how you got such a high resistance. Hopefully this is correct. This is enough to have a proto swarm hitting you once every second and just rep through it.
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Panda.
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RuckingFetard
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:48:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
- 3 Hardeners? Go Biomass yourself
Heehee Me no tanky-tanky
- I fire at hardened tanks all the time. It forces them to keep back and gives my team some breathing room
Me too.![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png)
- $#!t players will always be $#!t players. What If I made a thread saying how tankers are slightly ******** because of all the idoits in a MLT tank?
Would be funny because it's actually true![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
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