DUST Search - i worry for the new logi

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

Lv2spd2 wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

but im a logibro, im here to repair and supply people. i dont want to be forced into spamming just to compete because thats the only effective way to use my suit

Why would it be? Your repairing, resurrecting, resupplying is not being nerfed, its just that some others are getting a buff. You can still use equipment just as well as you can now. You'll just be BETTER at using one type of equipment than you are now.

your right, losing a 1/4 of my ehp or giving up on arm repair is well worth it for a bonus to a single piece of equipment i may or may not use and is only of use if people actually need it which with all the ehp and damage buffs to everyone, situations to drop gear is going to be far less.

also they put uplinks on the slowest logi suit and repair tool on weakest? what sort of choice is that. i know its a racial thing but there has got to be better options so as to make the most of the bonuses otherwise what's the point.

With the 25% bonus to PG-CPU usage on equipment Logis will be able to not only equip better equipment and have increased effectiveness with them, But will have come CPU-PG to spare and equip better modules too.

I've been noticing ADAM's constant QQ and i've come to imagine yo used logis as a better Assault, contrary of what you are trying to make us believe....

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TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2232	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:02:00 - [61] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: with all the survivability and damage buffs every class seems to be getting i feel the new logi buffs are going to render the logi useless. i cant see any use for logis aside from an initial spam of the game as the stats promote this by being 1 sided as they are TRUE LOGIS appreciate new logi bonuses since they REALLY help equipment wise MURDER logis can go F themselves. Logis are fine. I'm really looking forward to this :) Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1400	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:03:00 - [62] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: LOL I would think anything more than 6 kills means slayer logi. No. If we can't get kills as well as be support, then I think ALL the other classes should lose their equipment slots(scouts can keep 1, but it can only fit cloaks). If we have to be relegated to equipment mules, nobody else should edge in on our jobs... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1614	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:04:00 - [63] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: LOL I would think anything more than 6 kills means slayer logi. Presciely the problem. Why 6? Why can't a Combat Engineer who deployed Infantry Webifiers Small Turrets Defense drones etc, not garner kills? What if as a 1.8 Cal Logi you are a pack mule for ammo, what do you do during a firefight when your team is well supplied, hide in the corner? What if as a 1.8 Amarf Logi you have dispensed all your available uplinks? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
mollerz Minja Scouts 2021	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:09:00 - [64] - Quote I, too, worry for the logi. [=}=Snickety=> <==Snick={=] You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2656	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:10:00 - [65] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: LOL I would think anything more than 6 kills means slayer logi. No. If we can't get kills as well as be support, then I think ALL the other classes should lose their equipment slots(scouts can keep 1, but it can only fit cloaks). If we have to be relegated to equipment mules, nobody else should edge in on our jobs... I was thinking in terms of the community perception of what factors defines a slayer logi. The post itself is not of my own opinion. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3801	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:18:00 - [66] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: [ What is the role of a Logi exactly? How many kills can a logistics get without being designated a slayer logi? What about logi units in the future who are Combat Engineers Communications Officers Field Mechanic Its not the kills. A true logi can get any amount of kills,what defines a true logi is the amount of Help provided to his team. You can get 5-1 kills and 600 WP and be a Slayer logi Or Get 20+ kills and 2500WP and be a true logi You see that's contradictory though, because he might be helping his team by getting kills, his logi role may be only for specific times. How do you determine when a logi is a help to his team and when he isn't? Logis havee xtra equipmenst slots. Logis help their team carrying/using the equipment they cant carry. BTW , i said 5-1 could be a slayer logi ...why? We are talking about the classification not about the SKILL of the player. If a logi is ''helping his team through killing'' then hes better off being an assault. The Logi suit is made for equipment abuse. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2657	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:20:00 - [67] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Michael Arck wrote: LOL I would think anything more than 6 kills means slayer logi. Presciely the problem. Why 6? Why can't a Combat Engineer who deployed Infantry Webifiers Small Turrets Defense drones etc, not garner kills? What if as a 1.8 Cal Logi you are a pack mule for ammo, what do you do during a firefight when your team is well supplied, hide in the corner? What if as a 1.8 Amarf Logi you have dispensed all your available uplinks? I wholeheartedly agree. Being a logibro helped me realize my true potential in Dust 514. I can kill and hill. Drop a nanohive when needed. Place a scan. Rep a friendly. Once those primary objectives are completed or not active, its time to kill. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1401	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:27:00 - [68] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: LOL I would think anything more than 6 kills means slayer logi. No. If we can't get kills as well as be support, then I think ALL the other classes should lose their equipment slots(scouts can keep 1, but it can only fit cloaks). If we have to be relegated to equipment mules, nobody else should edge in on our jobs... I was thinking in terms of the community perception of what factors defines a slayer logi. The post itself is not of my own opinion. Oh. I don't think there should be a set number. So what if a support Logi gets 10 kills? The suit isn't even going to be a good slayer suit anymore, so if they get that many kills, they deserve them and shouldn't be considered an abuser for it. I know damn well I'm going to have games where I get 15...20...even 30 kills, am I a Slayer Logi just because I had a good game? No! I like to consider myself a Combat Logi, I stick with my squad, and provide fire when I have to, heck, I go for the kill. I'm not going to just sit there and twiddle my thumbs when my squad is in a firefight because "This is no job for a Logi, get your healy-tool out and wait for us to take some armor damage.". I have a light weapon slot for a reason. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 328	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:40:00 - [69] - Quote A Logi bro sees or hears a friend in need of emidiate healing or ammo and puts the gun away to help him out, A slayer logi says Ill be right there after i chase down this this guy whos likely already going to die but I wana be the one who gets the kill.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 809	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:49:00 - [70] - Quote looks like we will be better off logibroing from a commando suit or assault suit. spam the area with the logi suit then switch to a commando or assault with a rep tool just to be able to compete and survive long enougth https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

CaveCav D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 195	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:15:00 - [71] - Quote Even without knowing the new stats for my suit I don't feel nerfed, I feel buffed! I've got that amazing 25% reduction on fitting cost for equipment, and I've got a shiny new bullet-spitting heavy-armored WP pool to keep in front of me that is the Gallente Heavy. I'm only kinda sad for losing the hacking bonus but whatever, repair tool FTW! Dedicated Logibro, Gunner, Counter-Sniper
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2894	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:25:00 - [72] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: with all the survivability and damage buffs every class seems to be getting i feel the new logi buffs are going to render the logi useless. i cant see any use for logis aside from an initial spam of the game as the stats promote this by being 1 sided as they are You're worried that the logis will be logis??? No.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 809	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:42:00 - [73] - Quote i will just have to wait and see how bad it is, hopefully we get a respec, that way i can spec into 1 of my logi suits and leave the other 2 on the back burner until i work out if they are any good https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Dericha A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 6	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:20:00 - [74] - Quote As a logi supporting the front line, you need to be able to take a stray bullet and GTF out of the way. That's the worry, that we won't be able to survive front line combat. On the gun front, expect worse K/Ds (LOL, because they're spectacular already if you're not a slayer). My concern is being too squishy to support the front line, not having teammates that watch your butt (they're too busy with their K/D), or being pigeon-holed into a single equipment slot (Spam X, be that uplinks or scans). My hope is that everyone moves over to commandos, which will slow down the game and require more strategic play. That also allows the logi to have a better idea of where those stray bullets may be coming from. Cloak scouts are going to hunt us. be prepared.
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 86	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:25:00 - [75] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: with all the survivability and damage buffs every class seems to be getting i feel the new logi buffs are going to render the logi useless. i cant see any use for logis aside from an initial spam of the game as the stats promote this by being 1 sided as they are TRUE LOGIS appreciate new logi bonuses since they REALLY help equipment wise MURDER logis can go F themselves. Logis are fine. Sorry Checkmate but this true logi liked being able to survive better while chubby chasing than in Beta. I can live with the new bonuses so long as their isn't a decrease to our CPU/PG but I would really like to see Amarr get the rep tool bonus and Minmatar a bonus to either uplinks or REs. Amarr logi is the best one for being in the thick of things with a repper IMHO I have to agree. I've been running logi suits for months, and I tried to do a balance of both being able to hold ground along with being a full squad support with hives and reps. Another role I tried to do was a fortification logi by using REs, scanners, and uplinks. I've never done just straight slayer logi. If there's no decrease to cpu/pg levels and slots, I will probably keep doing logistics as I like being able to help control battles through tactical advantage. Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
PEW JACKSON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:27:00 - [76] - Quote Min Logi + Core focused/Six kin here I come!!!! I do think Logis can use a buff to HP. They're second in line for being bullet sponges, first being the fatty. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 174	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:32:00 - [77] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: but im a logibro, im here to repair and supply people. i dont want to be forced into spamming just to compete because thats the only effective way to use my suit Why would it be? Your repairing, resurrecting, resupplying is not being nerfed, its just that some others are getting a buff. You can still use equipment just as well as you can now. You'll just be BETTER at using one type of equipment than you are now.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 812	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:45:00 - [78] - Quote Lv2spd2 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: but im a logibro, im here to repair and supply people. i dont want to be forced into spamming just to compete because thats the only effective way to use my suit Why would it be? Your repairing, resurrecting, resupplying is not being nerfed, its just that some others are getting a buff. You can still use equipment just as well as you can now. You'll just be BETTER at using one type of equipment than you are now. your right, losing a 1/4 of my ehp or giving up on arm repair is well worth it for a bonus to a single piece of equipment i may or may not use and is only of use if people actually need it which with all the ehp and damage buffs to everyone, situations to drop gear is going to be far less. also they put uplinks on the slowest logi suit and repair tool on weakest? what sort of choice is that. i know its a racial thing but there has got to be better options so as to make the most of the bonuses otherwise what's the point. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3827	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:24:00 - [79] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Lv2spd2 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: but im a logibro, im here to repair and supply people. i dont want to be forced into spamming just to compete because thats the only effective way to use my suit Why would it be? Your repairing, resurrecting, resupplying is not being nerfed, its just that some others are getting a buff. You can still use equipment just as well as you can now. You'll just be BETTER at using one type of equipment than you are now. your right, losing a 1/4 of my ehp or giving up on arm repair is well worth it for a bonus to a single piece of equipment i may or may not use and is only of use if people actually need it which with all the ehp and damage buffs to everyone, situations to drop gear is going to be far less. also they put uplinks on the slowest logi suit and repair tool on weakest? what sort of choice is that. i know its a racial thing but there has got to be better options so as to make the most of the bonuses otherwise what's the point. With the 25% bonus to PG-CPU usage on equipment Logis will be able to not only equip better equipment and have increased effectiveness with them, But will have come CPU-PG to spare and equip better modules too. I've been noticing ADAM's constant QQ and i've come to imagine yo used logis as a better Assault, contrary of what you are trying to make us believe.... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 175	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:44:00 - [80] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: also they put uplinks on the slowest logi suit and repair tool on weakest? what sort of choice is that. i know its a racial thing but there has got to be better options so as to make the most of the bonuses otherwise what's the point. They did not in any way decrese the effectiveness of ANY equipment on any suit. Your equipment is in NO WAY nerfed from what it is now. You can use the EXACT same equipment you do now if you choose to. It will work exactly the same. As far as equipment goes you only gained a BONUS to using one type. In addition, unless you play a Gallente logi you gained a major bonus to equipment fitting. You lost the 5 rep per sec, but we all did. This can be partially made up by more effective use of rep hives, which will now be easier to fit. You say you are here to rep and resupply, so do it. It will work just ass well as it does now. Just resupply with the now easier to fit Alloteks, and drop it where you can stand on it while you rep away. even the K17/D will still rep you faster than the 5 rep per sec native reps we are losing. It will require a small readjustment of play style, but think of the extra triage points you can get for repping the other logis as you run past. We logis should get in the habit of doing this for each other when we can anyway.

ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 813	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:03:00 - [81] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Lv2spd2 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: but im a logibro, im here to repair and supply people. i dont want to be forced into spamming just to compete because thats the only effective way to use my suit Why would it be? Your repairing, resurrecting, resupplying is not being nerfed, its just that some others are getting a buff. You can still use equipment just as well as you can now. You'll just be BETTER at using one type of equipment than you are now. your right, losing a 1/4 of my ehp or giving up on arm repair is well worth it for a bonus to a single piece of equipment i may or may not use and is only of use if people actually need it which with all the ehp and damage buffs to everyone, situations to drop gear is going to be far less. also they put uplinks on the slowest logi suit and repair tool on weakest? what sort of choice is that. i know its a racial thing but there has got to be better options so as to make the most of the bonuses otherwise what's the point. With the 25% bonus to PG-CPU usage on equipment Logis will be able to not only equip better equipment and have increased effectiveness with them, But will have come CPU-PG to spare and equip better modules too. I've been noticing ADAM's constant QQ and i've come to imagine yo used logis as a better Assault, contrary of what you are trying to make us believe.... anyone who knows me knows i do not assault logi. by my calculations on my current logi fits i will save at best 8pg.wit that 8pg i could replace a enhanced arm plate for a complex arm rep costing me 5 of that pg getting me my 5reps back but costing me about 150 ehp (or whatever the maxed out amount is). that leaves me with 3 pg, that will get me grenades or maybe even upgrade a single piece of equipment. when you look deeper into this you will see we actually get next to nothing from the bonus. the bonus barely gets us back the reps we lost and costs us ehp https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 44	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:45:00 - [82] - Quote Yea you saved me isk more times than I can count with your logi Caldari Loyalist


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