hitting them is required checkmate.

Sarcasm is of no use here since:
GÖª It does not help the thread
GÖª It does not make you sound ''witty'' nor ''smart''
GÖª Its pretty obvious im talking about a HIT. Now if i have to actually write whats OBVIOUS...well... i have nothing else to say.

People calling for a rof nerf make me laugh.

It can output at well over 3k a shot.

Even if it overheated with 1 shot its still absolutely ridiculous.

the intention was to add some humour to lighten the thread up a tad, and seriously if thats the case your clearly hitting them when the hardeners are on, unless incubus's can now be bricked tanked to stupid levels.

I understand the issue but its a railgun, the slug would travel about 3 miles before drop off so stop being ridiculous. An ROF nerf would be better or lower the shots before overheat by one.

What, because it doesn't fit with your ASS dropship agenda?

Also not related to the issue, but if you are getting killed by railguns with over 3000 damage a shot, they don't have any defense! The reason railguns are so easy to use is because you can abuse the redline AND use them as shotguns to destroy everything with ease.

Railguns need to have a fixed area of rotation (redesign the turret to be locked to a small angle of movement to allow the use of an insanely powerful gun like the railgun) like tank destroyers or nerfed through DPS, turn speed and heat build up. They should always be a threat to all vehicles, but they should be used in the proper caldari manner AND have a drawback to spamming shots in cqc.

QQ more.

Your obviously doing it wrong since i cant 1HKO a DS with my Breach Fg , Proto level, Prof 5 and 2 complex dam mods.

Lock the aiming reticle in place when ever the railgun is charging up. Power is being drawn from the rotational servos to power the gun, so it can't aim while charging. This injects a bit more skill into railguns. Fixed.
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This is not CoD face the fact AV is designed to kill vehicles. I simply take this whiny QQ as the guns working as intented. Its not CCPs fault your using the verc incorrectly

Actually, air resistance figures for something at that speed are INCREDIBLE even for something tiny, any payload would disintigrate in atmosphere pretty quickly. To be clear I'm arguing that we should balance around gameplay rather than dust players' grasp of sci-fi physics.

I'd love to see ADS become a serious gameplay component, and tanks being relevant at ranges less than rail snipe range would be fun.

This would be the most logical and best lore answer to limiting their range. Even explains why in Eve you have an incredibly extended range.

This added in with a nerf to rof and we are good.

cause they only ever happen in matches where the enemy team have no competent av or any at all, hence boasting of the amount of kills you get in them is like boasting about your killstreak in a singleplayer game on the easiest difficulty. 10-15 is a respectable killcount in matches with active and competent av, and 20+ is actually impressive.

What is your fitting and is this during hardener cool down?

Lol true. But rails do have a purpose so I would let them stay, just fix them a bit. Lower the optimal range to around 350-400m, drop-off being 450-500 at 20% effectiveness. Our maps are way too small to have a perfectly accurate, 600m, rapid-fire, high damage artillery weapon. Something has to give. I'd also like a slight RoF buff. Damage, elevation, rotation-speed, and fitting would be fine at this point.

Yes, the hardener is on cooldown, but I'm not going to float around for 5 minutes before I ever want to go to low altitude.

I have a python with an enhanced shield extender, enhanced or basic hardener, enhanced afterburner, and I have no clue what the low slot (slots?) is

Lock the aiming reticle in place when ever the railgun is charging up. Power is being drawn from the rotational servos to power the gun, so it can't aim while charging. This injects a bit more skill into railguns. Fixed.
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I have shot at that gallente ADS before with a rail turret. I do not know what he had fit, all I know is the first shot took his shields, he turned on his hardener, I then proceded to put another 3 rail rounds into him and he just casually drifted behind a building.

Granted not all pilots fit like that but that's player choice! Tankers these days think fitting damage mods is the be all and end all of rail tanking. I fit for tank with 0 damage mods and beat these so called glass cannons in one on one rail combat in my maddy.

Ok so I guess I must consider than damage mod stacked rail tanks are going to be doing more damage, so then is the problem not too much damage when using lots of damage mods? Then also I point back to the red line issues. If you fly high up, and over towards that enemy tanks position, assuming you were not to be red line counted out, you can follow him anywhere he goes with immunity. Once you are above that rail tank what can he do?

I try to position up tall hills waiting for the ADS to mistakenly go back into my narrow firing arc now pointing in the sky but it generally fails.

Granted red line tanks are a pain, remove the red line and I would think ADS would be smashing tanks or at the very least making them tuck tail and run for what ever cover they can see, licking their wounds.

To be honest the real problem with rail gun tanks and turrets is that when they see an ADS they get their double or triple damage modded redline railgun tank to take them out.

The before mentioned tactic has no drawbacks or risk due to positioning and just plainly getting behind cover if hit. These people put no isk at risk when they redline rail tank, they cannot be destroyed easily and because of their safety they can put double or triple damage mods to wreak havoc on a dropship that is on average 100k more expensive than it's tank counterpart.

If I can have my tanking buddies destroy a railgun tank, then it's no problem. It's when they can kill anything on the map without risk that a problem is created. I'm pretty sure that railgun tanks would not be going into battle triple or double damage modded if they knew there was a possibility of death unless they created an inexpensive suicide fit.

Necrobumping but I didn't notice this post.

You see if you HIT with those rail shots, he would have died.

You inexperience leads you to miss, which is understandable. You will get used to it very quickly im sure.

So remove active mod stacking. This includes hardeners.

Problem solved.

ADSes can live. LAVs can live. Redline sniping isn't as devastating.

AV is relevant.



Wow, you're a douche.

"Without RDVs assault dropships would go unchecked!"

Proto rail with no Dmod still two/three shots any dropship. nothing has changed. same thing for any tank (if theyre hit without hardeners)

I'm a douche but it was uncalled for with that post. He said himself hes inexperienced. Theres next to no instances of any dropship ever surviving 5 shots. I'm not entirely sure with any setup that its even possible.

I don't care that you can 2 shot me, I care that you hide in a redline; unreachable and unkillable regardless of my skill in piloting and firing my turret.

Thats my problem

have you ever been hit by a pro rail cannon with 2 damage mods
even tanks get insta-killed

RAil Turrets STAY and they are FINE.

DS pilots are like all vehicle users here in the forums.
Salty QQers that want everything handed to them.
AND Hate having counters.
As it is, only Rail turrets AND Forge guns work vs DS and you want one of them removed? or Nerfed?

HTFU scrubs.....