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Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 318	Posted - 2014.01.19 08:55:00 - [1] - Quote ...lies in the choice between basic/reactive plates/reps versus shield regulators. Guess which is the clear choice? Currently the extra EHP plates/reps offer far outweighs the tiny reduction in recharge delay, especially at basic level. The solution? Buff shield regulators. Make them much more effective (10/2025 -> 20/35/50) or give some extra shields (maybe 10/20/30). Honestly one or the other would suffice. Extenders are fine, rechargers/energizers might need a slight fitting cost reduction. Regs need some fixing. Thoughts? +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4064	Posted - 2014.01.19 09:03:00 - [2] - Quote I know I shouldn't agree with this for reasons vets already know but what the hell. +1 Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
8213 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1376	Posted - 2014.01.19 09:03:00 - [3] - Quote Shield tanking is hard to fit as well. The regulator really only shaves fractions of seconds off delays. I use them because its just what I know. Maybe switch the regulator to high-slot and recharger to low-slot? Shield tanking still works. Fish in a bucket!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 120	Posted - 2014.01.19 09:04:00 - [4] - Quote Been my biggest complaint since I rolled caldari. Why do I need to sacrifice a low slot to maximize my shields, when the gallente can stack all their armor with no bloody need to waste high slots, allowing Bette tanking and the addition of damage mods Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2014.01.19 09:08:00 - [5] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I know I shouldn't agree with this for reasons vets already know but what the hell. +1 I wish I had been on the forums in closed beta so I could have 4000 likes. I was playing EVE at the time. What do vets already know? +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
Bunny Demon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 66	Posted - 2014.01.19 09:13:00 - [6] - Quote With a 50% reduction to recharge delay per module wouldn't you be able to get above a 100% reduction with 3? (stacking penalties) Won't that mean you would have no shield recharge delay So.....when are the um......new dropsuits coming out CCP.....it's been a few weeks now.... ;)
King of Ghosts Nos Nothi 9	Posted - 2014.01.19 09:28:00 - [7] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I know I shouldn't agree with this for reasons vets already know but what the hell. +1 I wish I had been on the forums in closed beta so I could have 4000 likes. I was playing EVE at the time. What do vets already know? I got here in 1.1 2k likes ain't hard to get in that time. Just post a lot. And be nice. I am most definitely, maybe, probably, possibly, PERHAPS, Ghost Kaisar. Or not....
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2062	Posted - 2014.01.19 09:28:00 - [8] - Quote King of Ghosts wrote: Midas Fool wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I know I shouldn't agree with this for reasons vets already know but what the hell. +1 I wish I had been on the forums in closed beta so I could have 4000 likes. I was playing EVE at the time. What do vets already know? I got here in 1.1 2k likes ain't hard to get in that time. Just post a lot. And be nice. This is me. Dang Alts Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Lonegnr Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 50	Posted - 2014.01.19 09:33:00 - [9] - Quote devonus durga wrote: ...Why do I need to sacrifice a low slot to maximize my shields, when the gallente can stack all their armor with no bloody need to waste high slots, allowing Bette tanking and the addition of damage mods The irony factor maybe? Eve side it's the shield tankers that benefit from damage mods not using the same slots as the tank mods and the armor tankers lose a damage mod slot with each tank mod.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5399	Posted - 2014.01.19 09:33:00 - [10] - Quote I can get behind this. Shield regulators are quite underwhelming in their current form, and I don't like the idea of buffing shield HP values because then their becomes less differentiating factors between armor and shield. If you buff shield regulators, then shield users will be more of the hit and run soldiers weaving in and out of cover quickly regenerating HP while armor users will be as they currently are holding the line. Bunny Demon wrote: With a 50% reduction to recharge delay per module wouldn't you be able to get above a 100% reduction with 3? (stacking penalties) Won't that mean you would have no shield recharge delay No. Say your shield delay is 10 seconds. Add a 50% reduction, now it is 5 seconds. Add another 50% reduction (ignoring stacking penalty), now it is 2.5 seconds, not 0 seconds. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open

NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 13	Posted - 2014.01.19 09:39:00 - [11] - Quote Bunny Demon wrote: With a 50% reduction to recharge delay per module wouldn't you be able to get above a 100% reduction with 3? (stacking penalties) Won't that mean you would have no shield recharge delay That would be a 2 second delay Balanced
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 618	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:29:00 - [12] - Quote nerf basic plates instead. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2092	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:36:00 - [13] - Quote This argument is just as stupid as comparing damage mods to shield extenders. Oh look i "only" get +10% damage but a shield extender gives me +66HP. You are comparing 2 different modules and advocating dualtanking with plates and shield extenders. What comes next? You compare biotics with armor repairs? Just down right stupid. Shield tankers have profile dampeners, shield regulators and the option to get more stamina/speed out of their suit. While armor tanked suits are getting slower with increased HP but can aswell fit damage mods to overcome this drawback. Never underestimate enhanced mobility or staying off grid from scanners. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 15	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:40:00 - [14] - Quote the servers are still down
Jammeh McJam New Age Empire. 66	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:44:00 - [15] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: This argument is just as stupid as comparing damage mods to shield extenders. Oh look i "only" get +10% damage but a shield extender gives me +66HP. You are comparing 2 different modules and advocating dualtanking with plates and shield extenders. What comes next? You compare biotics with armor repairs? Just down right stupid. Shield tankers have profile dampeners, shield regulators and the option to get more stamina/speed out of their suit. While armor tanked suits are getting slower with increased HP but can aswell fit damage mods to overcome this drawback. Never underestimate enhanced mobility or staying off grid from scanners. Stamina and speed mean nothing with the aim assist "We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna rape you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 573	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:45:00 - [16] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I know I shouldn't agree with this for reasons vets already know but what the hell. +1 I wish I had been on the forums in closed beta so I could have 4000 likes. I was playing EVE at the time. What do vets already know? That shield tankers used to be nigh-invulnerable. Wasnt that long ago really, just by the open beta and maybe a bit after, Shields were the obvious choice then. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2887	Posted - 2014.01.19 14:24:00 - [17] - Quote The real shield/armour imbalance is those with shields playing like they have armour. No.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8038	Posted - 2014.01.19 14:25:00 - [18] - Quote As the Lenin of the armoured ex-proletariat, I approve of this thread. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2027	Posted - 2014.01.19 14:36:00 - [19] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: This argument is just as stupid as comparing damage mods to shield extenders. Oh look i "only" get +10% damage but a shield extender gives me +66HP. You are comparing 2 different modules and advocating dualtanking with plates and shield extenders. What comes next? You compare biotics with armor repairs? Just down right stupid. Shield tankers have profile dampeners, shield regulators and the option to get more stamina/speed out of their suit. While armor tanked suits are getting slower with increased HP but can aswell fit damage mods to overcome this drawback. Never underestimate enhanced mobility or staying off grid from scanners. Someone who understands! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1602	Posted - 2014.01.19 14:42:00 - [20] - Quote Standard Armour Plates - Fine Standard Repper Plates - Fine Ferroscale Plates - Fine Reactive Plates - Need a buff - 44/66/88 HP \| 1/2/3 HP/s \| 1/3/5 % Speed Penalty Shield Extenders - Fine Shield Recharges - Fine Shield Energizers - Reduce costs a little Shield Regulators - 25/35/45 % Shield Recharge Delay 30/40/50% Shield Depleted Recharge Delay Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 266	Posted - 2014.01.19 14:50:00 - [21] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I know I shouldn't agree with this for reasons vets already know but what the hell. +1 I wish I had been on the forums in closed beta so I could have 4000 likes. I was playing EVE at the time. What do vets already know? Broken as all shield recharge delay that's what we know. Think of a time when less then half your bullets even registered hitting, your target would duck behind cover for half a second and be back a full shields. It wasn't to that extreme but it was pretty bad. When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8041	Posted - 2014.01.19 14:51:00 - [22] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Standard Armour Plates - Fine Standard Repper Plates - Fine Ferroscale Plates - Fine Reactive Plates - Need a buff - 44/66/88 HP \| 1/2/3 HP/s \| 1/3/5 % Speed Penalty Shield Extenders - Fine Shield Recharges - Fine Shield Energizers - Reduce costs a little Shield Regulators - 25/35/45 % Shield Recharge Delay 30/40/50% Shield Depleted Recharge Delay Mostly agreed, but if you lowered the fitting costs for the energizers compared to the rechargers there would be no reason at all to use a recharger over an energizer because unless you're using it on a Caldari heavy the HP difference is negligible. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1603	Posted - 2014.01.19 15:11:00 - [23] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Standard Armour Plates - Fine Standard Repper Plates - Fine Ferroscale Plates - Fine Reactive Plates - Need a buff - 44/66/88 HP \| 1/2/3 HP/s \| 1/3/5 % Speed Penalty Shield Extenders - Fine Shield Recharges - Fine Shield Energizers - Reduce costs a little Shield Regulators - 25/35/45 % Shield Recharge Delay 30/40/50% Shield Depleted Recharge Delay Mostly agreed, but if you lowered the fitting costs for the energizers compared to the rechargers there would be no reason at all to use a recharger over an energizer because unless you're using it on a Caldari heavy the HP difference is negligible. Well you could increase the shield health penalty to 5/10/15% to make its bonuses more acute. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8192	Posted - 2014.01.19 18:52:00 - [24] - Quote +1 Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 326	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:31:00 - [25] - Quote Spademan wrote: That shield tankers used to be nigh-invulnerable. Wasnt that long ago really, just by the open beta and maybe a bit after, Shields were the obvious choice then. Ah yes this is what I figured someone had to vaguely/sarcastically say (not directed at you, Spademan). I remember when shields were overpowered. I remember the relentless armor tanker crying over it, and I remember armor being buffed and shields nerfed hard. I didn't say I wanted shields to be back to that level, but it is clear that they need a buff. I don't need to be a vet to see this. +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8055	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:56:00 - [26] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Spademan wrote: That shield tankers used to be nigh-invulnerable. Wasnt that long ago really, just by the open beta and maybe a bit after, Shields were the obvious choice then. Ah yes this is what I figured someone had to vaguely/sarcastically say (not directed at you, Spademan). I remember when shields were overpowered. I remember the relentless armor tanker crying over it, and I remember armor being buffed and shields nerfed hard. I didn't say I wanted shields to be back to that level, but it is clear that they need a buff. I don't need to be a vet to see this. Shields were never nerfed hard. A depleted shield delay penalty does not constitute a heavy nerf. Armour did, however, receive a pretty good buffing and shields need to be able to leverage their superior regen more. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 326	Posted - 2014.01.19 19:57:00 - [27] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: This argument is just as stupid as comparing damage mods to shield extenders. Oh look i "only" get +10% damage but a shield extender gives me +66HP. You are comparing 2 different modules and advocating dualtanking with plates and shield extenders. What comes next? You compare biotics with armor repairs? Just down right stupid. Shield tankers have profile dampeners, shield regulators and the option to get more stamina/speed out of their suit. While armor tanked suits are getting slower with increased HP but can aswell fit damage mods to overcome this drawback. Never underestimate enhanced mobility or staying off grid from scanners. This is completely irrelevant. The irony is that the very thing you accuse me of doing (comparing apples to oranges) is exactly what you did. This thread is about one module versus another, not a whole slew of them. However now that you bring it up some modules do need a little bit of a boost. Unlike the situation I presented in this thread which has to do with one factor only (EHP), there is a complicated set of factors that determine if non-EHP modules are balanced or not. For instance, I would argue that it is not worth fitting Myofibril Stimulants at the moment because of the high population of players using mid-long range weapons. It is competely irrelevant to compare that module to electronics or damage mods because they rely on different factors for balance. Also I fit kincats and cardiac regs consistently. They barely make a difference with AA and CbRs but I guess they help for dodging tanks. Against competent players profile dampeners/precision enhancers mean nothing. I don't fool myself in to believing that these modules are anything but drawbacks in the current TTK environment. Finally, only the Gallente are free of dual tanking. Slot layout/TTK prohibits Amarr or Caldari mediums from reliably choosing one or the other until proto level. Minmatar are required to dual tank all the way through. I don't know how light frames work but I am fairly certain they fit basic armor plates instead of shield regulators. +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 329	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:08:00 - [28] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Shields were never nerfed hard. A depleted shield delay penalty does not constitute a heavy nerf. Armour did, however, receive a pretty good buffing and shields need to be able to leverage their superior regen more. Forgive me, Gods of Semantics, for clearly I sin against you far too much. Ok, so shields received a (nice and gentle) nerf. This is flat out true. I feel as though the introduction of AA and the consistent lowering of TTK by the introduction and emphasis on extremely powerful weapons has had a much greater effect on shields feeling "nerfed" than the depleted delay. But yes, now that the raw HP potential of armor has been accentuated to counter these things the regen potential of shields should follow suit. +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1615	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:11:00 - [29] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: ...lies in the choice between basic/reactive plates/reps versus shield regulators. Guess which is the clear choice? Currently the extra EHP plates/reps offer far outweighs the tiny reduction in recharge delay, especially at basic level. The solution? Buff shield regulators. Make them much more effective (10/2025 -> 20/35/50) or give some extra shields (maybe 10/20/30). Honestly one or the other would suffice, although I would prefer the first option. Extenders are fine, rechargers/energizers might need a slight fitting cost reduction. Regs need some fixing. Thoughts? Sure but put armor repairers in the highs or move regulators in the lows. Shield regulators work as they are now you just want some godly regeneration that can matrix through bullets. I run a logi Minmatar mk.0 with 2 basic regs and 2 complex reps and it works wonders. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8057	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:14:00 - [30] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Shields were never nerfed hard. A depleted shield delay penalty does not constitute a heavy nerf. Armour did, however, receive a pretty good buffing and shields need to be able to leverage their superior regen more. Forgive me, Gods of Semantics, for clearly I sin against you far too much. Ok, so shields received a (nice and gentle) nerf. This is flat out true. I feel as though the introduction of AA and the consistent lowering of TTK by the introduction and emphasis on extremely powerful weapons has had a much greater effect on shields feeling "nerfed" than the depleted delay. But yes, now that the raw HP potential of armor has been accentuated to counter these things the regen potential of shields should follow suit. I am actually a God of semantics, singular. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8057	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:16:00 - [31] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Midas Fool wrote: ...lies in the choice between basic/reactive plates/reps versus shield regulators. Guess which is the clear choice? Currently the extra EHP plates/reps offer far outweighs the tiny reduction in recharge delay, especially at basic level. The solution? Buff shield regulators. Make them much more effective (10/2025 -> 20/35/50) or give some extra shields (maybe 10/20/30). Honestly one or the other would suffice, although I would prefer the first option. Extenders are fine, rechargers/energizers might need a slight fitting cost reduction. Regs need some fixing. Thoughts? Sure but put armor repairers in the highs or move regulators in the lows. Shield regulators work as they are now you just want some godly regeneration that can matrix through bullets. No. Armour repairers in the highs would make armour too strong. As much as I like the idea of having something other than damage mods or shield extenders, I do not think it would be a good idea to allow 12.5-18.75 HP/s regen rates combined with heavy plate stacking. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1615	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:18:00 - [32] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Midas Fool wrote: ...lies in the choice between basic/reactive plates/reps versus shield regulators. Guess which is the clear choice? Currently the extra EHP plates/reps offer far outweighs the tiny reduction in recharge delay, especially at basic level. The solution? Buff shield regulators. Make them much more effective (10/2025 -> 20/35/50) or give some extra shields (maybe 10/20/30). Honestly one or the other would suffice, although I would prefer the first option. Extenders are fine, rechargers/energizers might need a slight fitting cost reduction. Regs need some fixing. Thoughts? Sure but put armor repairers in the highs or move regulators in the lows. Shield regulators work as they are now you just want some godly regeneration that can matrix through bullets. No. Armour repairers in the highs would make armour too strong. As much as I like the idea of having something other than damage mods or shield extenders, I do not think it would be a good idea to allow 12.5-18.75 HP/s regen rates combined with heavy plate stacking. Wasn't a real suggestion, but imagine 3 stacked regulators at 50% each on a 25 hp/s shield repair and a 600 hp shield buffer. That's would cut down the off time for a Caldari suit to just barely 15 seconds. Armor and Shields are not the same!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8283	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:59:00 - [33] - Quote +1 Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 184	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:03:00 - [34] - Quote Don't use, have never used, see no reason to use, pointless with the current state of the game - shield regulators
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 252	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:51:00 - [35] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: ...lies in the choice between basic/reactive plates/reps versus shield regulators. Guess which is the clear choice? Currently the extra EHP plates/reps offer far outweighs the tiny reduction in recharge delay, especially at basic level. The solution? Buff shield regulators. Make them much more effective (10/2025 -> 20/35/50) or give some extra shields (maybe 10/20/30). Honestly one or the other would suffice, although I would prefer the first option. Extenders are fine, rechargers/energizers might need a slight fitting cost reduction. Regs need some fixing. Thoughts? The reason armor>shields now is because of damage mods+EHP. Change valves of the damage mods. Problem fixed. Two complex damage mods adds on 18%(I think it a little higher like 19. not to sure) That adds on ALOT of damage. More then Prof. I personally think if you lower the amount damage mods adds it will fix the problem for shield vs armor. I love damage mods on my HMG but there are some problems with them. Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó
Korvin Lomont 492	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:59:00 - [36] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Been my biggest complaint since I rolled caldari. Why do I need to sacrifice a low slot to maximize my shields, when the gallente can stack all their armor with no bloody need to waste high slots, allowing Bette tanking and the addition of damage mods Basicly amor tankers DO suffer a lot more from the current module layout. There are far more usefull low slot items than high slot items. So an armor tanker has always to sacrifice HP if he wants to be more flexible. And by tanking more HP you get slower as well. A shield tanker has not much choices for the High slots so shield stacking is nearly a no brainer = more HP. And shield regenerade sooo much faster than armor. Just don't use shield tankers like armor tankers that was never their intendend role. Shield has not changed that much since the times they where horribly OP (apart from the latest penalty to shield extenders). Its just armor cathed up a little but evry one refuses to change their playstyle. I have an acces to both shield tanked suits and armor tanked suits. And I do very well in a cal assault or a shield tanked minni frame...
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5827	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:11:00 - [37] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Been my biggest complaint since I rolled caldari. Why do I need to sacrifice a low slot to maximize my shields, when the gallente can stack all their armor with no bloody need to waste high slots, allowing Bette tanking and the addition of damage mods Because that would be an extremely stupid fit? We have to balance armor repairers and armor plates, we don't get free regeneration and the speed you get from one slot is **** slow Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 948	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:11:00 - [38] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: The dark cloud wrote: This argument is just as stupid as comparing damage mods to shield extenders. Oh look i "only" get +10% damage but a shield extender gives me +66HP. You are comparing 2 different modules and advocating dualtanking with plates and shield extenders. What comes next? You compare biotics with armor repairs? Just down right stupid. Shield tankers have profile dampeners, shield regulators and the option to get more stamina/speed out of their suit. While armor tanked suits are getting slower with increased HP but can aswell fit damage mods to overcome this drawback. Never underestimate enhanced mobility or staying off grid from scanners. Stamina and speed mean nothing with the aim assist Not a good argument. It's commonly used but it's usually not used in the right discussion... Aim Assist doesn't stop players from strafing shots, flanking, and outrunning enemies. I don't even wear Profile Dampeners yet I'm still able to get the jump on people and flank and actually outrun em as well. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5827	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:13:00 - [39] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: The dark cloud wrote: This argument is just as stupid as comparing damage mods to shield extenders. Oh look i "only" get +10% damage but a shield extender gives me +66HP. You are comparing 2 different modules and advocating dualtanking with plates and shield extenders. What comes next? You compare biotics with armor repairs? Just down right stupid. Shield tankers have profile dampeners, shield regulators and the option to get more stamina/speed out of their suit. While armor tanked suits are getting slower with increased HP but can aswell fit damage mods to overcome this drawback. Never underestimate enhanced mobility or staying off grid from scanners. Stamina and speed mean nothing with the aim assist That's what the forums tell you. If you actually play PC you will see how much of a problem it is to run dual plated Gallente suits. Hint: You won't kill anyone because the fight is miles away Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1499	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:10:00 - [40] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: This argument is just as stupid as comparing damage mods to shield extenders. Oh look i "only" get +10% damage but a shield extender gives me +66HP. You are comparing 2 different modules and advocating dualtanking with plates and shield extenders. What comes next? You compare biotics with armor repairs? Just down right stupid. Shield tankers have profile dampeners, shield regulators and the option to get more stamina/speed out of their suit. While armor tanked suits are getting slower with increased HP but can aswell fit damage mods to overcome this drawback. Never underestimate enhanced mobility or staying off grid from scanners. Actually, it is very reasonable to compare those mods. They both have a direct affect on eHP. One subtracts eHP, another adds eHP. This makes comparing them with math quite easy. As a rule, if you have 660+ eHP, use a Damage Mod, if you have less than 660 eHP, use an extender. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8959	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:37:00 - [41] - Quote Regulators need a buff Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8959	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:39:00 - [42] - Quote Buff them! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 458	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:41:00 - [43] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Been my biggest complaint since I rolled caldari. Why do I need to sacrifice a low slot to maximize my shields, when the gallente can stack all their armor with no bloody need to waste high slots, allowing Bette tanking and the addition of damage mods You're a special kind of stupid, huh? AR Dmg: 34, RoF: 750 RPM, DPS: 425, RR Dmg: 55, RoF: 461 RPM, DPS: 422, + double the range. Balanced.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1148	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:11:00 - [44] - Quote Here's the thing: The basic plates are actually the only plates worth using. Enhanced +25 HP from 85 to110, really? And let's not even start to talk about the variant plates. The complex extenders are actually the only extenders worth using. Basic/adv 22/33, really? You can't fix one and not fix the other. As to the repairer/recharging modules: One mod = +5 HP per second instant + no base regen = terrible One mod = +15 HP per second delay = 2.93 sec (two complex mods on Cal suit) to 8 seconds = amazing. So, how should we go about balancing this stuff out? Let's say we give in to your demands to fix shields, would you be willing to give in to my demands to fix armor. To me my ideas to fix armor seem quite reasonable more regen and more HP, kinda similar to yours. {:)}{3GÇó>
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2899	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:26:00 - [45] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Standard Armour Plates - Fine Standard Repper Plates - Fine Ferroscale Plates - Fine Reactive Plates - Need a buff - 44/66/88 HP \| 1/2/3 HP/s \| 1/3/5 % Speed Penalty Shield Extenders - Fine Shield Recharges - Fine Shield Energizers - Reduce costs a little Shield Regulators - 25/35/45 % Shield Recharge Delay 30/40/50% Shield Depleted Recharge Delay If you equipped 3 of those complex regulators, you would have zero shield recharge delay. And yes, I accounted for stacking penalties. As it stands now, after getting the 10% bonus of maxing out the skill, 3 complex regulators will give you this: 27.5, 23.925, 15.675. That adds up to 67.1%. A CalAss gets 5s delay, and 8s depleted delay. So that comes out with 1.645s delay and 2.632s depleted delay. Even less for scouts, but I don't have those delay numbers at hand. To boot, these regulators use very little resources. So, in conclusion, if regulators were to get a buff, it would only apply to the depleted delay, to make up for the penalty of extenders. Let's say we gave them a slight buff, 10%/15%depleted-->20%/25%depleted-->25%/30%depleted. So with the 10% the skill gives, you get: 33, 28.71, 18.81 = 80.51% off the depleted delay. That would end up being 1.5592s for a depleted delay on the CalAss. Then you multiply 1.24 for 3 complex extenders, an you get 1.933408s delay. People need to do math. Shield Recommendations
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1117	Posted - 2014.02.08 22:19:00 - [46] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Standard Armour Plates - Fine Standard Repper Plates - Fine Ferroscale Plates - Fine Reactive Plates - Need a buff - 44/66/88 HP \| 1/2/3 HP/s \| 1/3/5 % Speed Penalty Shield Extenders - Fine Shield Recharges - Fine Shield Energizers - Reduce costs a little Shield Regulators - 25/35/45 % Shield Recharge Delay 30/40/50% Shield Depleted Recharge Delay If you equipped 3 of those complex regulators, you would have zero shield recharge delay. And yes, I accounted for stacking penalties. As it stands now, after getting the 10% bonus of maxing out the skill, 3 complex regulators will give you this: 27.5, 23.925, 15.675. That adds up to 67.1%. A CalAss gets 5s delay, and 8s depleted delay. So that comes out with 1.645s delay and 2.632s depleted delay. Even less for scouts, but I don't have those delay numbers at hand. To boot, these regulators use very little resources. So, in conclusion, if regulators were to get a buff, it would only apply to the depleted delay, to make up for the penalty of extenders. Let's say we gave them a slight buff, 10%/15%depleted-->20%/25%depleted-->25%/30%depleted. So with the 10% the skill gives, you get: 33, 28.71, 18.81 = 80.51% off the depleted delay. That would end up being 1.5592s for a depleted delay on the CalAss. Then you multiply 1.24 for 3 complex extenders, an you get 1.933408s delay. People need to do math. EDIT: Also. the only downfall to energizers are the costs, there would be no reason to use rechargers if their costs were reduced. The shield penalty is negligible at best, and completely un-noticeable at worst. Who cares if 3 give you a zero recharge delay? Armor plates give double the HP that shield extenders give. If you make a pure shield tank suit you'll have 40% less HP then an armor tanked suit and that armor tanked suit will be dealing out 18+% more damage with damage mods on. One std flux will take all of the shields of any suit including a proto caldari sentenial, and a charge shot from the ScR will do the same. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 433	Posted - 2014.02.08 22:30:00 - [47] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Standard Armour Plates - Fine Standard Repper Plates - Fine Ferroscale Plates - Fine Reactive Plates - Need a buff - 44/66/88 HP \| 1/2/3 HP/s \| 1/3/5 % Speed Penalty Shield Extenders - Fine Shield Recharges - Fine Shield Energizers - Reduce costs a little Shield Regulators - 25/35/45 % Shield Recharge Delay 30/40/50% Shield Depleted Recharge Delay I am going to have to disagree on the shield extenders bit, they have a few glaring issues. #1) They require too much PG. Right now it is 3 (std) 6 (adv) and 11 (proto). It should be 2 (std) 4(adv) and 8(proto) #2) The tier progression is too harsh, the basic should be more than half the HP value of the proto instead of 1/3rd that of the proto. A better progression would be 40 (std) 55 (adv) 70 (proto) I haven't fit extenders/rechargers/regulators on any of my suits (amarrian) and I doubt I ever will, so I will refrain from comment on those. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 1346	Posted - 2014.02.08 22:37:00 - [48] - Quote Bunny Demon wrote: With a 50% reduction to recharge delay per module wouldn't you be able to get above a 100% reduction with 3? (stacking penalties) Won't that mean you would have no shield recharge delay Nope. With 3 regulators at 50% reduction you'd get about a 94% reduction. That's including the stacking penalty. You would not be able to achieve 100% reduction even without stacking penalties because math. Let me play you the song of my people!
Bunny Demon Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 96	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:04:00 - [49] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I can get behind this. Shield regulators are quite underwhelming in their current form, and I don't like the idea of buffing shield HP values because then their becomes less differentiating factors between armor and shield. If you buff shield regulators, then shield users will be more of the hit and run soldiers weaving in and out of cover quickly regenerating HP while armor users will be as they currently are holding the line. Bunny Demon wrote: With a 50% reduction to recharge delay per module wouldn't you be able to get above a 100% reduction with 3? (stacking penalties) Won't that mean you would have no shield recharge delay No. Say your shield delay is 10 seconds. Add a 50% reduction, now it is 5 seconds. Add another 50% reduction (ignoring stacking penalty), now it is 2.5 seconds, not 0 seconds. I thought that the % bonuses were done by the total percentage is calculated (eg 50+44+30 ish which is 124%) then that was applied to the suit stats which would mean there would be no recharge delay. I don't think that the bonuses are applied one after the other like you said So.....when are the um......new dropsuits coming out CCP.....it's been a few weeks now.... ;)
Bunny Demon Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 96	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:12:00 - [50] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Bunny Demon wrote: With a 50% reduction to recharge delay per module wouldn't you be able to get above a 100% reduction with 3? (stacking penalties) Won't that mean you would have no shield recharge delay Nope. With 3 regulators at 50% reduction you'd get about a 79.8% reduction. That's including the stacking penalty. You would not be able to achieve 100% reduction even without stacking penalties because math. Why not, I understand that if the bonuses were applied individually to the suits base stats then it would be impossible but it is my belief that the %'s are added to get a total percentage before it is applied to the suit stats So let's just ignore stacking penalties for easier maths (can't be asked to get a calculator) Let's have a base suit regen of 10 sec What you and a few others have said (or implied) is that: 10 -50% = 5sec 5 -50% = 2.5 sec 2.5 -50% = 1.25 sec 1- 1.25/5 = 75% reduction with 3 regulators How I think the bonuses are actually applied (as I think this is how damage mods work so I'm assuming it's the same) 50% + 50% = 100% (less with stacking penalties) 10 - 100% = 0 sec So with penalties you would be able to get 0 sec delay with 3 rechargers So.....when are the um......new dropsuits coming out CCP.....it's been a few weeks now.... ;)

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2267	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:42:00 - [51] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Standard Armour Plates - Fine Standard Repper Plates - Fine Ferroscale Plates - Fine Reactive Plates - Need a buff - 44/66/88 HP \| 1/2/3 HP/s \| 1/3/5 % Speed Penalty Shield Extenders - Fine Shield Recharges - Fine Shield Energizers - Reduce costs a little Shield Regulators - 25/35/45 % Shield Recharge Delay 30/40/50% Shield Depleted Recharge Delay This... Listen I'll change the song every week
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 1347	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:28:00 - [52] - Quote Bunny Demon wrote: Why not, I understand that if the bonuses were applied individually to the suits base stats then it would be impossible but it is my belief that the %'s are added to get a total percentage before it is applied to the suit stats So let's just ignore stacking penalties for easier maths (can't be asked to get a calculator) Let's have a base suit regen of 10 sec What you and a few others have said (or implied) is that: 10 -50% = 5sec 5 -50% = 2.5 sec 2.5 -50% = 1.25 sec 1- 1.25/5 = 75% reduction with 3 regulators How I think the bonuses are actually applied (as I think this is how damage mods work so I'm assuming it's the same) 50% + 50% = 100% (less with stacking penalties) 10 - 100% = 0 sec So with penalties you would be able to get 0 sec delay with 3 rechargers Wrong. All wrong. Bonuses are always multiplicative not additive, except in the case when you're adding a single skill's bonus (i.e. Lvl 3 Proficiency is 9% and not 1.03 * 1.03 * 1.03 or whatever). First off, stacking penalties are roughly 87% and 57% efficiency for second and third modules, respectively. Here's the math assuming you were using 3 shield regulators that were 50% reduction: 1 - ((1 - 0.50) * (1 - (0.87 * 0.50)) * (1 - (0.57 * 0.50))) = 0.798 or 79.8% reduction. This concludes today's math lesson. Let me know if you have any further questions. Edit: I went ahead and did the math for stacking 5x 50% shield regulators and you still don't approach 100% reduction. With 5x shield regulators the math is: 1 - ((1 - 0.50) * (1 - (0.87 * 0.50)) * (1 - (0.57 * 0.50)) * (1 - (0.28 * 0.50)) * (1 - (0.105 * 0.50))) = 0.835 or 83.5% reduction. Let me play you the song of my people!
Bunny Demon Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 97	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:06:00 - [53] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Bunny Demon wrote: Why not, I understand that if the bonuses were applied individually to the suits base stats then it would be impossible but it is my belief that the %'s are added to get a total percentage before it is applied to the suit stats So let's just ignore stacking penalties for easier maths (can't be asked to get a calculator) Let's have a base suit regen of 10 sec What you and a few others have said (or implied) is that: 10 -50% = 5sec 5 -50% = 2.5 sec 2.5 -50% = 1.25 sec 1- 1.25/5 = 75% reduction with 3 regulators How I think the bonuses are actually applied (as I think this is how damage mods work so I'm assuming it's the same) 50% + 50% = 100% (less with stacking penalties) 10 - 100% = 0 sec So with penalties you would be able to get 0 sec delay with 3 rechargers Wrong. All wrong. Bonuses are always multiplicative not additive, except in the case when you're adding a single skill's bonus (i.e. Lvl 3 Proficiency is 9% and not 1.03 * 1.03 * 1.03 or whatever). First off, stacking penalties are roughly 87% and 57% efficiency for second and third modules, respectively. Here's the math assuming you were using 3 shield regulators that were 50% reduction: 1 - ((1 - 0.50) * (1 - (0.87 * 0.50)) * (1 - (0.57 * 0.50))) = 0.798 or 79.8% reduction. This concludes today's math lesson. Let me know if you have any further questions. Edit: I went ahead and did the math for stacking 5x 50% shield regulators and you still don't approach 100% reduction. With 5x shield regulators the math is: 1 - ((1 - 0.50) * (1 - (0.87 * 0.50)) * (1 - (0.57 * 0.50)) * (1 - (0.28 * 0.50)) * (1 - (0.105 * 0.50))) = 0.835 or 83.5% reduction. And for fun, without stacking penalties 3x and 5x shield regulators would be: 1- (1 - 0.50) * (1 - .50) * (1 - .50) = 0.875 or 87.5% reduction, and 5x without penalties is 1- (1 - 0.50) * (1 - .50) * (1 - .50) * (1 - .50) * (1 - .50) = 0.968 or 96.8% reduction. So you see, you'll approach 100% reduction but never quite get there, unless we consider GêP Thank you for enlightening me on what I already had in my post But still I thought that the bonuses were applied like this Base stat(skill stats eg proficiency)(total added module stats eg damage mods) So each new 'type' of module/skill would be multiplied but multiple of the same module/skill are added Eg lvl 3 prof is .03+.03+.03=.09 (9%) And 3 damage mods .1+(.1.87)+(.1.57) Etc As I have not seen any evidence that it isn't (other than some people saying so) I will continue to go by this understanding until proven wrong unequivocally (a Dev post would do this ) So.....when are the um......new dropsuits coming out CCP.....it's been a few weeks now.... ;)
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 1356	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:11:00 - [54] - Quote Bunny Demon wrote: Thank you for enlightening me on what I already had in my post But still I thought that the bonuses were applied like this Base stat(skill stats eg proficiency)(total added module stats eg damage mods) So each new 'type' of module/skill would be multiplied but multiple of the same module/skill are added Eg lvl 3 prof is .03+.03+.03=.09 (9%) And 3 damage mods .1+(.1.87)+(.1.57) Etc As I have not seen any evidence that it isn't (other than some people saying so) I will continue to go by this understanding until proven wrong unequivocally (a Dev post would do this ) Ummm sorry but everything in your prior post implied you actually had no idea how it worked. In fact, you concluded by saying you'd be able to reach 0 second delay which is not true. But yes, this is how it works and has always worked in both DUST and EVE. Let me play you the song of my people!
Bunny Demon Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 97	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:24:00 - [55] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Bunny Demon wrote: Thank you for enlightening me on what I already had in my post But still I thought that the bonuses were applied like this Base stat(skill stats eg proficiency)(total added module stats eg damage mods) So each new 'type' of module/skill would be multiplied but multiple of the same module/skill are added Eg lvl 3 prof is .03+.03+.03=.09 (9%) And 3 damage mods .1+(.1.87)+(.1.57) Etc As I have not seen any evidence that it isn't (other than some people saying so) I will continue to go by this understanding until proven wrong unequivocally (a Dev post would do this ) Ummm sorry but everything in your prior post implied you actually had no idea how it worked. In fact, you concluded by saying you'd be able to reach 0 second delay which is not true. But yes, this is how it works and has always worked in both DUST and EVE. So are you now agreeing I'm right?? And here's the post you first replied to where I say almost exactly what you did me wrote: So let's just ignore stacking penalties for easier maths (can't be asked to get a calculator) Let's have a base suit regen of 10 sec What you and a few others have said (or implied) is that: 10 -50% = 5sec 5 -50% = 2.5 sec 2.5 -50% = 1.25 sec 1- 1.25/5 = 75% reduction with 3 regulators I just then went on to say that I did not believe that this is how the stats are calculated in dust So.....when are the um......new dropsuits coming out CCP.....it's been a few weeks now.... ;)
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 711	Posted - 2014.02.10 07:38:00 - [56] - Quote Extenders aren't fine, they're bad, and no suit but Caldari should be running them over damage mods.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9006	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:03:00 - [57] - Quote bump Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 78	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:11:00 - [58] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Standard Armour Plates - Fine Standard Repper Plates - Fine Ferroscale Plates - Fine Reactive Plates - Need a buff - 44/66/88 HP \| 1/2/3 HP/s \| 1/3/5 % Speed Penalty Shield Extenders - Fine Shield Recharges - Fine Shield Energizers - Reduce costs a little Shield Regulators - 25/35/45 % Shield Recharge Delay 30/40/50% Shield Depleted Recharge Delay Almost: Current Shield Extenders - 22/33/66 Shield Extenders should be - 22/44/66
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 602	Posted - 2014.02.10 09:01:00 - [59] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: The dark cloud wrote: This argument is just as stupid as comparing damage mods to shield extenders. Oh look i "only" get +10% damage but a shield extender gives me +66HP. You are comparing 2 different modules and advocating dualtanking with plates and shield extenders. What comes next? You compare biotics with armor repairs? Just down right stupid. Shield tankers have profile dampeners, shield regulators and the option to get more stamina/speed out of their suit. While armor tanked suits are getting slower with increased HP but can aswell fit damage mods to overcome this drawback. Never underestimate enhanced mobility or staying off grid from scanners. Stamina and speed mean nothing with the aim assist This is outright wrong, sure the times of bulletstream dancing scouts are over but yout can make good use of speed and stamina (thast why I always run out of stamina) IF you use your brain. Flanking and circling enemies works great and the low TTK is further advocating this. IF I manage to flank an enemy he is already as good as dead (unless Its a heavy). Apart fom this higher speed still means higher strafe and tracking speed and this is always usefull.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 458	Posted - 2014.02.10 09:25:00 - [60] - Quote My thoughts? extenders are crap, rechargers are good, never used regulators. If you have 2 low slots, put on a plate and an armor repairer, better than any reactive plates. Shield tanking isn't viable, it's not even possible, complex shield extenders don't even come close to basic armor plates, even if you stacked extenders you then have half of the amount of HP you could get with armor AND a problem with recharge speed and delay even though shields are supposed to be the ones that come back faster than armor, but if you have someone with a repair tool suddenly shields are pointless This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.

General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 58	Posted - 2014.02.10 10:58:00 - [61] - Quote the thing though is the regen abilities are supposed to be the way they are right now. armor repairs at a very tiny rate of 1hp/sec, but it is constant. shields repair at a much larger rate of around 20hp/sec, but the recharging will stop if damage is taken. what you are suggesting may make shields repair almost instantly. if you let off on a shield tank for a second (and it takes more than a second to reload most, if not, all weapons), they will be much farther thn you in hp. that could make shield tankers effective at close range. shield tankers, such as caldari players who prefer tanking over damage mods or shield regen, are supposed to be long range players. thats part of the reason why caldari enjoy long range guns. they shoot, and if they are shot, they are supposed to take cover, in a place they wont take damage, and let their shields recharge at a rate that recovers quickly... usually quickly enough to shoot at the guy they were shooting at before they get away or get too close to them.
Ku Shala Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 847	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:23:00 - [62] - Quote dampening over armour, regulators could use a buff for fully depleted sheild ( because of the extenders increasing recharge delay on fully depleted), but should not effect the normal so basic 10% reduction on sheild recharge delay and 15% on fully depleted recharge delay For what is right. For what is ours, Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Join us today! The States Necromancer For The State!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9025	Posted - 2014.02.11 08:22:00 - [63] - Quote Buff them! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 518	Posted - 2014.02.11 14:36:00 - [64] - Quote read my signature, second post. It has everything you want Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 359	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:13:00 - [65] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Buff them! Hopefully 1.8 +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 134	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:08:00 - [66] - Quote Go the route of EVE. Put Damage mods in low slots so shields have extenders and rechargers in highs with damage and regs in lows. Now take all that utility stuff that is currently a low slot and put it where it belongs, in high slots. Bam now you have the sturdier tank HP-wise with utility or you have a more hit and run tank with damage. You can mix this up but you won't be maxed tank then similar to in EVE. For this there should also be modules like dispersion reducers, ammo extenders, range enhancers etc. these should be mixed between low and high slots. Bring in more utility mods worth taking and split things between highs and lows more effectively. You will see real suit fitting variety and a reason to actually take a module besides an HP module. Last thing, reduce fitting costs of all non-hp total modules while increasing HP module fittings. Plates, extenders, reps and rechargers should be the highest fitting requirement modules in game by a significant margin. Rechargers and Reps should use more CPU than PG and plates and Extenders should be more focused on PG cost. By doing that and balancing the numbers you make things like all plates still doable but require sacrifices elsewhere, for instance low PG equipment or weapons, again emphasizing a mix of recovery and HP. Now with either highs or lows entirely full of tanking modules it should be a real struggle to put meaningful tanking modules in the other slots but things like damage mods, dispersion reducers, grenade pouches, repair tool enhancers, nanohive expanders, scanner range mods, scanner beam width mods, heat reduction mods, etc are still viable options.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 432	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:03:00 - [67] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Midas Fool wrote: ...lies in the choice between basic/reactive plates/reps versus shield regulators. Guess which is the clear choice? Currently the extra EHP plates/reps offer far outweighs the tiny reduction in recharge delay, especially at basic level. The solution? Buff shield regulators. Make them much more effective (10/2025 -> 20/35/50) or give some extra shields (maybe 10/20/30). Honestly one or the other would suffice, although I would prefer the first option. Extenders are fine, rechargers/energizers might need a slight fitting cost reduction. Regs need some fixing. Thoughts? Sure but put armor repairers in the highs or move regulators in the lows. Shield regulators work as they are now you just want some godly regeneration that can matrix through bullets. No. Armour repairers in the highs would make armour too strong. As much as I like the idea of having something other than damage mods or shield extenders, I do not think it would be a good idea to allow 12.5-18.75 HP/s regen rates combined with heavy plate stacking. what if it was armor reps in highs but dmg mods in lows? Proud Christian add p2p already!
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 660	Posted - 2014.02.22 06:24:00 - [68] - Quote Currently Armor is well over powered compared to shields, mainly because Dust foolishly follows and disregards its Eve heritage at the same time. Damage mods are low slots, in Dust they are high slots, both games follow with armor mods being low slots, shield mods are mid slots in Eve, high slots in Dust. Result - Shield users get the shaft. I propose they move shield mods to low slots and all boosters to high slots to even the playing field. A HP buff to shield extenders would help resolve the insane inbalance between HP, the movement rate penalty to armor is a sad joke at best and constant armor reps just take the cake. Would mean a rebalance in suits, but whatever it takes to get better parity between shield and armor. Oh yea, armor users benefit from having the best gun in the game as well, SCR. Makes full proto suits with complex gear die near instantly.
Gawen Eadan Altyr Initiative 30	Posted - 2014.02.24 10:38:00 - [69] - Quote Personally if the shield extenders were increased from 22/33/66 to say around 30-40/40-50/70-85 when you add on you have a 10% increase of these modules at proto, this doesn't add alot to caldari suits, but 4 complex extenders feel like 93 as opposed to 72 a piece, giving a suit a whopping 21 extra ehp a module for. I know this is an "amazing" amount but it does add 84 hp in this scenario. That's enough for an extra bullet that could save your life or not. The recharger's are fine where they are, to an extent, preventing a suit from having stupid regeneration on the shields, but could still use some love. The regulators being a low slot is a bit of a kick in the rear for shield tankers, as if they were moved to high, they could be abused, due to a relatively low cost to max shields, but if they were buffed and kept in the low slots, armor tankers could potentially dual tank with the upcoming Gallente sentinel's, albeit not as well at shields as Caldari thanks to the resistances being introduced, but more formidable none the less. Possibly what could be done is up the shield regulator skill from 2% to 3% this would add to make the 49.5% at proto to 51.75%. Then due to the tendencies of stacking penalties where its 100%>86.9%>57.1 the second one is only reaching 44% total, followed by 29.54% on the third. For examples sake an 8 second delay suit would be at 1.37 seconds, yes, this is a huge reduction, but consider the slot layout of a caldari suit normally having between 2-1 low at proto typically, making your delay from depleted 1.94 seconds, assuming you lived after loosing your shields, its exceptionally small change but if I did my math right it shaves 0.2 of a second of delay at three stacked regulators, which can get you killed or save your life. if you really want to push it and find its not enough, change the skill to 4%, 5% at the most. Keep the shield reduction penalties where they are, possibly add 1% to each tier if we start noticing issues. What I think would be exceptionally useful is a high slot that increase shield recharge rate, and max shields, similar to how reactive plates increased armor and rep rate. This could possibly work with the current shield extender numbers of 22/33/66, only instead with a skill buff to the recharge rate, instead of max shields to emphasis hit and run as opposed to increasing plating value. The recharge bonus could be roughly roughly 2/3 of what the recharger basics do in each tier (numbers not on hand, I apologize). Yet again, instead of buffing the rechargers and energizers directly, do it indirectly with 4% instead of 3% to them and the new module through the skill, possibly 5% if it doesn't feel sufficient enough after 4%. This would cause a minor increase, but shift a caldari sentinel from a potential 88 when stacked with penalties on energizers, to almost 96 per second should they stick to energizers solely and not this combo version. (this argument being valid only assuming I didn't mix my module names up.)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10367	Posted - 2014.04.09 21:42:00 - [70] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Regulators need a buff What this sexy stranger said Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10608	Posted - 2014.04.24 05:18:00 - [71] - Quote Still want Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+


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