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Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 438	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:10:00 - [1] - Quote Tanks are no longer expensive enough to warrant this game mechanic. They don't need more get out of jail free cards as well as having a portal supply depot to refill ammunition. It is a completely unnecessary game mechanic now.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7935	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:11:00 - [2] - Quote If they had to go to supply depots or something to recall that'd be nice. As it is, driving around a corner and then vanishing safely out of existence is ridiculously stupid, although I'm sure Spkr or someone similar will be in here to defend their crutch shortly. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 399	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:11:00 - [3] - Quote That's not true. What about those who wish to put their vehicle away because they're gonna hoof it? Amarr HAV Speculation
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10115	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:14:00 - [4] - Quote No thanks, I have to swap out between different Incubus fits multiple times per match. RDVs need to come down and grab the vehicles, and the recall itself should take a little longer to activate. Maybe make it so you can't initiate recall if you've taken damage in the last 15-30 seconds. Nothing else is needed Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1061	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:15:00 - [5] - Quote No, don't take it away. I like the ability to call in a vehicle, use it while its adding value, then recall it and go back to infantry play. Just lock them so you can't exit within 5 seconds of taking damage or something. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Not The CEO Nothecorp... 1	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:15:00 - [6] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Tanks are no longer expensive enough to warrant this game mechanic. They don't need more get out of jail free cards as well as having a portal supply depot to refill ammunition. It is a completely unnecessary game mechanic now. Just as you are completely unnecessary also, what if all turrets gone, no enemy tanks around, recall rail and call out blaster tank, maybe, just sayin. You are so irrelevant my pet pig won't aknowledge you.. D1cklord#2
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 438	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:15:00 - [7] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: That's not true. What about those who wish to put their vehicle away because they're gonna hoof it? That's their decision, as was calling in the vehicle to begin with.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1133	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:16:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: No thanks, I have to swap out between different Incubus fits multiple times per match. RDVs need to come down and grab the vehicles, and the recall itself should take a little longer to activate. Maybe make it so you can't initiate recall if you've taken damage in the last 15-30 seconds. Nothing else is needed Agreed. Vehicle recall makes sense, it just needs to not be exploitable. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10115	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:16:00 - [9] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: That's not true. What about those who wish to put their vehicle away because they're gonna hoof it? That's their decision, as was calling in the vehicle to begin with. So RDVs know how to come down, but not up? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 438	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:17:00 - [10] - Quote Not The CEO wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Tanks are no longer expensive enough to warrant this game mechanic. They don't need more get out of jail free cards as well as having a portal supply depot to refill ammunition. It is a completely unnecessary game mechanic now. Just as you are completely unnecessary also, what if all turrets gone, no enemy tanks around, recall rail and call out blaster tank, maybe, just sayin. I'm not quite sure what you are saying.

Onesimus Tarsus 860	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:20:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: That's not true. What about those who wish to put their vehicle away because they're gonna hoof it? That's their decision, as was calling in the vehicle to begin with. So RDVs know how to come down, but not up? Good idea. You call in an RDV, you wait the 10 seconds or so for it to show up, it hooks onto the vehicle, and watch it sail away for about 10 seconds. Sounds good. I am the worst player in DUST 514. Come clone me out.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 439	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:21:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: No thanks, I have to swap out between different Incubus fits multiple times per match. RDVs need to come down and grab the vehicles, and the recall itself should take a little longer to activate. Maybe make it so you can't initiate recall if you've taken damage in the last 15-30 seconds. Nothing else is needed I have to swap out between a dozen different fits depending on the situation. Why should you solely get the advantage with vehicles? RDV pickup would flood the skys, and give massive WP's to the railgun tanks and FG's that will simply snipe it down.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10119	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:23:00 - [13] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: No thanks, I have to swap out between different Incubus fits multiple times per match. RDVs need to come down and grab the vehicles, and the recall itself should take a little longer to activate. Maybe make it so you can't initiate recall if you've taken damage in the last 15-30 seconds. Nothing else is needed I have to swap out between a dozen different fits depending on the situation. Why should you solely get the advantage with vehicles? RDV pickup would flood the skys, and give massive WP's to the railgun tanks and FG's that will simply snipe it down. ........ That doesn't even make sense. So you can't switch your fits, that's what you're telling me? You don't want vehicles to have the ability to be recalled, yet you're afraid of them being destroyed while being recalled? What are you even arguing for? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 434	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:23:00 - [14] - Quote I still say vehicles should be deployed via nanite capsules and to put them away they would break themselves down, have it take 30 seconds or so before they just became a useless brick. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 439	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:23:00 - [15] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If they had to go to supply depots or something to recall that'd be nice. As it is, driving around a corner and then vanishing safely out of existence is ridiculously stupid, although I'm sure Spkr or someone similar will be in here to defend their crutch shortly. I would also be fine if they had to go to a supply depot to recall, as that would make sense with how the other half of the game is balanced. But currently its borked to hell.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 399	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:26:00 - [16] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I still say vehicles should be deployed via nanite capsules and to put them away they would break themselves down, have it take 30 seconds or so before they just became a useless brick. That you could then throw at people. Arx Ardashir (Brick) SomeOtherGuy Amarr HAV Speculation
Lorhak Gannarsein 1227	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:27:00 - [17] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If they had to go to supply depots or something to recall that'd be nice. As it is, driving around a corner and then vanishing safely out of existence is ridiculously stupid, although I'm sure Spkr or someone similar will be in here to defend their crutch shortly. I would also be fine if they had to go to a supply depot to recall, as that would make sense with how the other half of the game is balanced. But currently its borked to hell. Did you know that something like half of the supply depots in the game are inaccessible to HAVs? And that in some map (yes, even skirmish) there are none that are accessible at all? Please, by all means remove the recall function. But first actually LET ME USE THE SUPPLY DEPOTS. kthxbai. PRO tanker and proud.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 439	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:27:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: No thanks, I have to swap out between different Incubus fits multiple times per match. RDVs need to come down and grab the vehicles, and the recall itself should take a little longer to activate. Maybe make it so you can't initiate recall if you've taken damage in the last 15-30 seconds. Nothing else is needed I have to swap out between a dozen different fits depending on the situation. Why should you solely get the advantage with vehicles? RDV pickup would flood the skys, and give massive WP's to the railgun tanks and FG's that will simply snipe it down. ........ That doesn't even make sense. So you can't switch your fits, that's what you're telling me? You don't want vehicles to have the ability to be recalled, yet you're afraid of them being destroyed while being recalled? What are you even arguing for? I don't want vehicles to be able to exploit a failed mechanic to gain advantage over the other half of the game. And did i say i feared for the vehicles? Re-read good sir, it helps to comprehend. I fear the WP's that bring orbitals by RDV destruction. It's already far too easy to snipe redlined RDV's and stack the WP, it'll simply increase with more RDV's being present.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 440	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:30:00 - [19] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If they had to go to supply depots or something to recall that'd be nice. As it is, driving around a corner and then vanishing safely out of existence is ridiculously stupid, although I'm sure Spkr or someone similar will be in here to defend their crutch shortly. I would also be fine if they had to go to a supply depot to recall, as that would make sense with how the other half of the game is balanced. But currently its borked to hell. Did you know that something like half of the supply depots in the game are inaccessible to HAVs? And that in some map (yes, even skirmish) there are none that are accessible at all? Please, by all means remove the recall function. But first actually LET ME USE THE SUPPLY DEPOTS. kthxbai. Yes. More accessible supply depots are a much better way to go then an abusive game mechanic.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1061	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:31:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: ........ That doesn't even make sense. So you can't switch your fits, that's what you're telling me? You don't want vehicles to have the ability to be recalled, yet you're afraid of them being destroyed while being recalled? What are you even arguing for? Makes sense to me. He wants recall removed; and doesn't believe that using the RDVs to limit abuse while keeping recall will work. Personally I think it is better to just have a few seconds of delay between taking damage and being able to exit the vehicle, but he is making sense. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 332	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:31:00 - [21] - Quote Make the Tank unable to recall if they have taken damage or dealt damage within the last 20 seconds. That will stop the guys who leg it behind a building and vanish. However, Tanks do need the ability to recall to re-fit and re-arm. Consider that many of the maps have Supply Depots in locations where Tanks cannot get close enough to in order to resupply their ammunition. Without the ability to recall, Tankers would have to just drive their tanks out to the Redline and "put them out to pasture", so to speak. Another is if someone has a Blaster fit and the enemy calls in a Railgun Tank to kill them. Without being able to recall to change the turrets, you again have the same self-exploding Tank thing. I don't like the idea of having an RDV come in and grab a Tank. Do note that I have never recalled a Tank anywhere near an enemy; I usually take a quick trip to the Redline to change out and come back in. RDV's are extremely buggy. They will just sit there and hover with Tanks for quite a while or will decide to drop the Tank on top of a roof 30 yards away. I have even seen RDV's crash into the ground. More RDV's in the air just means more possible problems coming up. I am sure the Dropship Pilots would cherish the idea of having more RDV's in the sky. :) Be well. -Joseph
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3600	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:33:00 - [22] - Quote Vehicles (especially dropships) tend to flip all the time, sometimes even at deployment. Until we get the ability to flip them back over, the recall needs to stay. We used to have a time machine
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1900	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:36:00 - [23] - Quote Why make it so supply depots are the only way to recall or resupply? There aren't even supply depots in accessible locations on most maps. They are elevated, underground, or behind rails. Sorry, but I have no choice but to recall. So about those vehicle locks...
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 440	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:37:00 - [24] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vehicles (especially dropships) tend to flip all the time, sometimes even at deployment. Until we get the ability to flip them back over, the recall needs to stay. Not quite sure i follow you. I've only had a dropship flip if i called one in on hills instead of flat ground, which i took it to be my fault for attempting such. Also never been in a situation where my HAV flipped so I'm unsure of that possibility. LAV's can be flipped.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4334	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:41:00 - [25] - Quote as much as i agree that vehicle recall needs to be balanced so it becomes non exploitable i really think that the whole "RDV should come down and pick it up idea" is a really bad idea. we all know how bad RDVs are with deploying vehicles (some of the time now admittedly, things have improved a lot) and how much worse they were in the past. can you imagine how bad they will be if hey had to do something more complex like picking a vehicle up, not only could they become wp farms like duran fears they could seriously screw up vehicle deployments for a team if one got stuck on something. keep the current mechanic and like others have suggested add a recall lock based on when you last received damage. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 687	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:51:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: RDVs need to come down and grab the vehicles Might as well just leave it there for a blue/redberry to take or for it to blow up; it has a better chance of surviving the battle that way than if an RDV tries to take it away. CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1830	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:59:00 - [27] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: That's not true. What about those who wish to put their vehicle away because they're gonna hoof it? This, just make RDVs actually pick up recalled vehicles if you are worried about balance issues. I like recalling my LAV, thank you. Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Onesimus Tarsus 861	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:09:00 - [28] - Quote gbghg wrote: as much as i agree that vehicle recall needs to be balanced so it becomes non exploitable i really think that the whole "RDV should come down and pick it up idea" is a really bad idea. we all know how bad RDVs are with deploying vehicles (some of the time now admittedly, things have improved a lot) and how much worse they were in the past. can you imagine how bad they will be if hey had to do something more complex like picking a vehicle up, not only could they become wp farms like duran fears they could seriously screw up vehicle deployments for a team if one got stuck on something. keep the current mechanic and like others have suggested add a recall lock based on when you last received damage. RDVs bringing vehicles in is an equally bad idea, then. Just have vehicles teleport in when you issue the request. I mean, the very first time I sent a vehicle back, I thought, "You know, teleporting them down would be easier than up, from an available power perspective..." God loves you. And I'm sure He'll tell you so when I'm done with you.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10124	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:12:00 - [29] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: gbghg wrote: as much as i agree that vehicle recall needs to be balanced so it becomes non exploitable i really think that the whole "RDV should come down and pick it up idea" is a really bad idea. we all know how bad RDVs are with deploying vehicles (some of the time now admittedly, things have improved a lot) and how much worse they were in the past. can you imagine how bad they will be if hey had to do something more complex like picking a vehicle up, not only could they become wp farms like duran fears they could seriously screw up vehicle deployments for a team if one got stuck on something. keep the current mechanic and like others have suggested add a recall lock based on when you last received damage. RDVs bringing vehicles in is an equally bad idea, then. Just have vehicles teleport in when you issue the request. I mean, the very first time I sent a vehicle back, I thought, "You know, teleporting them down would be easier than up, from an available power perspective..." I'm in favor of teleporting assets back and forth, would be nice not losing dropships to invisible RDVs halfway to the flight ceiling.... Unfortunately I'm also in favor of following lore, and if we're gonna have RDVs come down, you need to have them go up, especially when the recall message even tells you an RDV is coming to get it.... Stacking damage mods is the main reason RDVs pop so easily to railguns, it's the main reason anything pops so easily to railguns. If it weren't for that, you could just find a safe place to recall just like you have to find a safe place to deploy. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1244	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:20:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: That's not true. What about those who wish to put their vehicle away because they're gonna hoof it? That's their decision, as was calling in the vehicle to begin with. So RDVs know how to come down, but not up? Because they are to incompetent to code it think of previous RDV issues RDV's would circle each other for about a minute before randomly dropping on your head (so long ago like 1.2,1.3) Dropping vehicles so that they detonated on impact, rubber banding tank drops...then comes back up re[eat 72 times. Know imagine the complexity of having the RDV determine if it can be picked up (building blocking way) and actually attaching to said vehicle and picking it up. Also if you pay attention vehicles only drop in select locations (if I call a vehicle in 2 ft from you it lands in the exact same place) so there are several "circles" right next to each which ever you are closest to it will drop in I believe it also has the vehicle direction in this circle hence why you generally start off facing your redline. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1

Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1244	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:23:00 - [31] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Why make it so supply depots are the only way to recall or resupply? There aren't even supply depots in accessible locations on most maps. They are elevated, underground, or behind rails. Sorry, but I have no choice but to recall. Ya perhaps only recall at full HP and/or in the redline (for if I wanted to switch fits) and halt recall when taking reasonable damage (no AR fire stopping recall) so that when I hit you with a volley you don't finish recall right before my final blow lands. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5864	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:24:00 - [32] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Tanks are no longer expensive enough to warrant this game mechanic. They don't need more get out of jail free cards as well as having a portal supply depot to refill ammunition. It is a completely unnecessary game mechanic now. I got my HAV stuck on terrain and it couldn't move. I needed the recall option for something besides ammo consumption or as you put it a get out of jail free card. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 342	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:41:00 - [33] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I still say vehicles should be deployed via nanite capsules and to put them away they would break themselves down, have it take 30 seconds or so before they just became a useless brick. Love this idea. Dropship Surfer/Ninja Trust me, you don't WANT me to play COD multiplayer.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 435	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:47:00 - [34] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I still say vehicles should be deployed via nanite capsules and to put them away they would break themselves down, have it take 30 seconds or so before they just became a useless brick. Love this idea. Lore wise if you can use nanites to repair damage in EVE and Dust you could just as easily use it to build tank on a battlefield. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4336	Posted - 2014.01.18 03:07:00 - [35] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: gbghg wrote: as much as i agree that vehicle recall needs to be balanced so it becomes non exploitable i really think that the whole "RDV should come down and pick it up idea" is a really bad idea. we all know how bad RDVs are with deploying vehicles (some of the time now admittedly, things have improved a lot) and how much worse they were in the past. can you imagine how bad they will be if hey had to do something more complex like picking a vehicle up, not only could they become wp farms like duran fears they could seriously screw up vehicle deployments for a team if one got stuck on something. keep the current mechanic and like others have suggested add a recall lock based on when you last received damage. RDVs bringing vehicles in is an equally bad idea, then. Just have vehicles teleport in when you issue the request. I mean, the very first time I sent a vehicle back, I thought, "You know, teleporting them down would be easier than up, from an available power perspective..." I'm in favor of teleporting assets back and forth, would be nice not losing dropships to invisible RDVs halfway to the flight ceiling.... Unfortunately I'm also in favor of following lore, and if we're gonna have RDVs come down, you need to have them go up, especially when the recall message even tells you an RDV is coming to get it.... Stacking damage mods is the main reason RDVs pop so easily to railguns, it's the main reason anything pops so easily to railguns. If it weren't for that, you could just find a safe place to recall just like you have to find a safe place to deploy. don't get me wrong i think that having the rdvs come down to pick vehicles up could be an awesome thing, and it would totally add to immersion and lore. its just that i think it would come with too many issues right now, and would become the focus of such rage that it will distract the devs from other features vehicles could benefit from. i think a relatively quick and effective fix would be more useful than a feature that will probably come with a whole bunch of issues that ccp will take their time fixing. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 199	Posted - 2014.01.18 03:17:00 - [36] - Quote so the recall rdv will clog up the normal rdv incoming q and cost more ram and memory for maps, like we don't already have lag problems. If you need to switch a fit because the feel on the battlefield changes, so be it. The current mechanic is fine. Your entitled to your own opinion, even if your opinion is completely wrong and unethical. VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
The Attorney General 1776	Posted - 2014.01.18 03:26:00 - [37] - Quote I'm all for taking the recall away if you want to give up swapping suits at supply depots. It makes just as little sense. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4496	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:00:00 - [38] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: No thanks, I have to swap out between different Incubus fits multiple times per match. RDVs need to come down and grab the vehicles, and the recall itself should take a little longer to activate. Maybe make it so you can't initiate recall if you've taken damage in the last 15-30 seconds. Nothing else is needed Exactly. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 280	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:04:00 - [39] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vehicles (especially dropships) tend to flip all the time, sometimes even at deployment. Until we get the ability to flip them back over, the recall needs to stay. ^ this so much The biggest threat to my scout is everything. [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 450	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:09:00 - [40] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: so the recall rdv will clog up the normal rdv incoming q and cost more ram and memory for maps, like we don't already have lag problems. If you need to switch a fit because the feel on the battlefield changes, so be it. The current mechanic is fine. Your entitled to your own opinion, even if your opinion is completely wrong and unethical. 1 - An opinion cannot be right or wrong. An opinion is merely ones personal views on a topic. 2 - Explain to me how my opinion is unethical.

Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3193	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:19:00 - [41] - Quote As far as Supply Depots being "accessible" to HAVs, etc. It seems like you could just make the recall stipulation something like "within X meters of a Supply Depot controlled by your team". If you had a deploy/terrain error when you spawned in, you'd theoretically be within whatever range of the Supply Depot on your side of the map. Recall. If you need to recall during battle, you'd be forced to get at least somewhat near to one your team controls. The X meters here can be whatever is reasonable. It imposes a similar restriction on vehicles as players that want to change fits... access/control of supply depot and coming within a certain range of it. If the other team (or you) blow up all the supply depots on the map, then there's no recalling or suit swapping for anyone. Seems fair. As far as texture/terrain glitches causing problems outside the range of your spawn area's supply depot... that falls in the same category as infantry players that get stuck on in-game terrain (we have to suicide and aren't reimbursed). Join my cult.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 468	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:29:00 - [42] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: That's not true. What about those who wish to put their vehicle away because they're gonna hoof it? That's their decision, as was calling in the vehicle to begin with. So RDVs know how to come down, but not up? Yes. RDV currently drop on a grid-based system, but picking up a vehicle would require them to break that grid in order to align and capture the resource. Not only that, but they'd have to deal with angles, and simply latching onto an object with restraints and pulling it in can cause some strange orbital spasms that can destroy both the target and the RDV. If you've ever tried using Gary's Mod and roping objects together you can get a sense of what happens. Ever notice how the RDV can't get within 30 meters of the ground sometimes, so they just drop their payload from a height and leave? That's because they can't yet path low enough to reach the ground in many areas.. A requirement that returning by RDV absolutely needs. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 564	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:45:00 - [43] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If they had to go to supply depots or something to recall that'd be nice. As it is, driving around a corner and then vanishing safely out of existence is ridiculously stupid, although I'm sure Spkr or someone similar will be in here to defend their crutch shortly. This.
LJG XX Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 8	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:25:00 - [44] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: gbghg wrote: as much as i agree that vehicle recall needs to be balanced so it becomes non exploitable i really think that the whole "RDV should come down and pick it up idea" is a really bad idea. we all know how bad RDVs are with deploying vehicles (some of the time now admittedly, things have improved a lot) and how much worse they were in the past. can you imagine how bad they will be if hey had to do something more complex like picking a vehicle up, not only could they become wp farms like duran fears they could seriously screw up vehicle deployments for a team if one got stuck on something. keep the current mechanic and like others have suggested add a recall lock based on when you last received damage. RDVs bringing vehicles in is an equally bad idea, then. Just have vehicles teleport in when you issue the request. I mean, the very first time I sent a vehicle back, I thought, "You know, teleporting them down would be easier than up, from an available power perspective..." I'm in favor of teleporting assets back and forth, would be nice not losing dropships to invisible RDVs halfway to the flight ceiling.... Unfortunately I'm also in favor of following lore, and if we're gonna have RDVs come down, you need to have them go up, especially when the recall message even tells you an RDV is coming to get it.... Stacking damage mods is the main reason RDVs pop so easily to railguns, it's the main reason anything pops so easily to railguns. If it weren't for that, you could just find a safe place to recall just like you have to find a safe place to deploy. I do just fine with Particle accelerator with no dmg mods. Do you even dust bro? I didn't think so...
LJG XX Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 8	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:30:00 - [45] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: I'm all for taking the recall away if you want to give up swapping suits at supply depots. It makes just as little sense. 100% agreed, that would take care of a lot of the problem of equipment spam lag outs. Do you even dust bro? I didn't think so...
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 417	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:33:00 - [46] - Quote I use recall on most of my LAVs and dropships ... Yeah I'm cheap like that.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2241	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:33:00 - [47] - Quote No recall still has its uses Intelligence is OP
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 114	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:36:00 - [48] - Quote Here is an excellent example of an exploit: I was in my incubus (gallente assault dropship) and got the drop on a soma. I manage to put him down to half armor with my railgun right away but then he put on his hardener and recalled it, while I was still shooting it. A railgun on a dropship is almost impossible to hit infantry with so I couldn't stop him either.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 103	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:42:00 - [49] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: As far as Supply Depots being "accessible" to HAVs, etc. It seems like you could just make the recall stipulation something like "within X meters of a Supply Depot controlled by your team". If you had a deploy/terrain error when you spawned in, you'd theoretically be within whatever range of the Supply Depot on your side of the map. Recall. If you need to recall during battle, you'd be forced to get at least somewhat near to one your team controls. The X meters here can be whatever is reasonable. It imposes a similar restriction on vehicles as players that want to change fits... access/control of supply depot and coming within a certain range of it. If the other team (or you) blow up all the supply depots on the map, then there's no recalling or suit swapping for anyone. Seems fair. As far as texture/terrain glitches causing problems outside the range of your spawn area's supply depot... that falls in the same category as infantry players that get stuck on in-game terrain (we have to suicide and aren't reimbursed). This is the cure. Make the range like 50 meters or something. Plus the damage lock out. Or just make recalls take longer, possibly based on size/weight. Lav should be quick, but tanks and drop ships should take a moment. And in regards to there being no supply depots in some ambush maps? Well you have to take the same risk calling in a tank every time I do, not being equipped for the situation and/or during. This might actually make some tanks stay out of a fit longer then a minute if they actually have to sit and repair. Even better for proto plated tanks running with no logo support. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 206	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:45:00 - [50] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: However, Tanks do need the ability to recall to re-fit and re-arm. IMHO recalling a vehicle should put it out of game at least for a few minutes, so when you need a vehicle with full armour + ammo you should have enough spares in the MCC. For example you have two HAV-s in your inventory, you deploy one waste all the ammo, have no supply depot, so you recall it and RDV picks it up while you're on the lookout for AV trying to hit your RDV, RDV vanishesh in the air and a refitting timer starts, then you call down the second HAV, it gets blown away and you have two options: wait for the timer to end to get a fully fitted vehicle deploy a vehicle with partially replaced parts, how much of them is replaced depends on the timer This could also open up some interesting avenues in the event that MCC will be player owned (yes, I'm still waiting for the promised commander role in Dust ;)

ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 783	Posted - 2014.01.18 17:02:00 - [51] - Quote Yes. But only after they fix the problems with fresh vehicles just called in being inaccessible due to flipping over or getting stuck. When my suit runs out of ammo, or is damaged, It goes boom and I lose it if I am in a gunfight. I cant run around a corner and 5 seconds later my suit is perfectly safe, or a new one drops from the sky for me to use. I have to rely on specific equpment or other teammates, or running to a supply depot to survive. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, no? Recall made sense back when tanks cost were higher. Bring tanks cost back in line, fix the risk versus reward, and you can keep your recall. Or allow me the same privelige with my equally as expensive dropsuit. In lieu of recall being removed, I would support supply depots being more accessible to tank drivers around the map and redline.


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