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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5613	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:23:00 - [1] - Quote So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1051	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:26:00 - [2] - Quote No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5613	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:28:00 - [3] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. /me will ignore this stupid post and hopes that the next will be a decent one Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 416	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:37:00 - [4] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. Reading is also supposed to make you understand sentences. It didn't help you much.
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 155	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:37:00 - [5] - Quote In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? Fear The Tribes // Standings Minmatar 5 // Gallente 5
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 804	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:43:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Yea, it annoys the hell out of me too. I can't run because I'm too slow so I just switch to the SMG and pray for a miracle. Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 416	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:45:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. I believe the proper responses are "You have a CQC sidearm, get gud." "Call in your tank to fight, HTFU." "Coordinate with more then one AV to counter a single man, stop being skillless" Then tell everyone else they need to use more tactics with more teamates to prevent them from soloing the entire battlefield for 15 minutes. It must be nice to forgo the burden of common sense.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1243	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:52:00 - [8] - Quote I was placing remotes on a tank once and heavy hopped out I detonated and killed him with the remotes and then naded his tank till it blew because I've had tanks hacked remain in my assets so I made sure he lost his aurum tank. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5622	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:53:00 - [9] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? Because in EVE that battleship costs 200x as much as that frigate (that's just the hull, not including weapons and modules), and that battleship can't hit that frigate. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 481	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:54:00 - [10] - Quote Perhaps add an exit timer? Like having to hold circle for like 5 sec or so?

LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 78	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:57:00 - [11] - Quote If all else fails, the jihad jeep still works great. Took out several hardened madrugars this afternoon with those. People can say they're cheap all they want, but what I think is cheap is tanks with blasters killing 30 infantry within a 5 minute span by camping an objective or CRU in Dom Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7927	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:59:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Delta90212 wrote: In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? Because in EVE that battleship costs 200x as much as that frigate (that's just the hull, not including weapons and modules), and that battleship can't hit that frigate. His point is that in EVE you DO have trouble killing the -frigate- with the -battleship-. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 44	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:59:00 - [13] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Perhaps add an exit timer? Like having to hold circle for like 5 sec or so? I agree with this. The supply depot is also similar I had drained out the shields in a Heavy but he was close to a supply depot and switched to a medium suit and killed me lol Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5623	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:59:00 - [14] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Delta90212 wrote: In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? Because in EVE that battleship costs 200x as much as that frigate (that's just the hull, not including weapons and modules), and that battleship can't hit that frigate. His point is that in EVE you DO have trouble killing the -frigate- with the -battleship-. But it doesn't work as an analogy. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7927	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:03:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Delta90212 wrote: In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? Because in EVE that battleship costs 200x as much as that frigate (that's just the hull, not including weapons and modules), and that battleship can't hit that frigate. His point is that in EVE you DO have trouble killing the -frigate- with the -battleship-. But it doesn't work as an analogy. It does. What he is suggesting is that the tank should have trouble hitting the infantry. Mind you, it doesn't do anything about people jumping out and killing you. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1051	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:03:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. /me will ignore this stupid post and hopes that the next will be a decent one Yeah, but its amazing how often this crops up in tank threads, and how many people actually believe it is a valid game balance argument. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 7	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:07:00 - [17] - Quote Sure it does. An ordinary tank needs machine gunners to keep infantry from ambushing it with detpacks or anti-tank rockets. These tanks don't have any such issues. You can buzz around in them solo and still generally ignore anything short of groups of AV fits. I'm sorta tired of getting sniped by them at short range too.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5624	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:09:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Delta90212 wrote: In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? Because in EVE that battleship costs 200x as much as that frigate (that's just the hull, not including weapons and modules), and that battleship can't hit that frigate. His point is that in EVE you DO have trouble killing the -frigate- with the -battleship-. But it doesn't work as an analogy. It does. What he is suggesting is that the tank should have trouble hitting the infantry. Mind you, it doesn't do anything about people jumping out and killing you. Ah, I read it backwards. I thought he said that if you try and use a frigate to take out a battleship, you would have problems in EVE. Then why not in DUST? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 426	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:09:00 - [19] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Cat Merc wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. /me will ignore this stupid post and hopes that the next will be a decent one Yeah, but its amazing how often this crops up in tank threads, and how many people actually believe it is a valid game balance argument. Ahhh, i see what you did there.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5624	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:10:00 - [20] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Cat Merc wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. /me will ignore this stupid post and hopes that the next will be a decent one Yeah, but its amazing how often this crops up in tank threads, and how many people actually believe it is a valid game balance argument. hehe Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

Rusty Shallows 819	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:12:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc are you insinuating that in order to pilot a HAV the operator must wear some kind of super squishy light frame? Just the thought gave me the evil chuckles. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5624	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:13:00 - [22] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc are you insinuating that in order to pilot a HAV the operator must wear some kind of super squishy light frame? Just the thought gave me the evil chuckles. Well, maybe. Or maybe just force them to go down with the ship if they're being badly badly damaged. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 137	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:13:00 - [23] - Quote In/out timers would be a beautiful thing, would remove all the LAV losers. I've watched this one fatty in a LAV drive around for 5 minutes until he found one guy on his own. He jumped out, I blew up his LAV(im on a redline turret), must have a hurt a little cause the dude he was jumping merced him in 1 second flat with a rail rifle. I've seen it go the exact other way too. They just drive til they can find a fight they can win, and until they stop, you cant destroy the lav without a rail gun. In/out timers, even 1 second would put a stop to this loser tactic. If you can't make it on the frontline with a fat suit, you're well deserving of the title 'scrub'. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 155	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:14:00 - [24] - Quote Well a enter/exit animation could help prevent the pilot from getting out and killing you immediately Fear The Tribes // Standings Minmatar 5 // Gallente 5
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 426	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:22:00 - [25] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc are you insinuating that in order to pilot a HAV the operator must wear some kind of super squishy light frame? Just the thought gave me the evil chuckles. Well, maybe. Or maybe just force them to go down with the ship if they're being badly badly damaged. I prefer that when someone enters an HAV, they can no longer leave it until popped or go to a supply depot to change.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5625	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:26:00 - [26] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc are you insinuating that in order to pilot a HAV the operator must wear some kind of super squishy light frame? Just the thought gave me the evil chuckles. Well, maybe. Or maybe just force them to go down with the ship if they're being badly badly damaged. I prefer that when someone enters an HAV, they can no longer leave it until popped or go to a supply depot to change. Even just a 5 seconds timer before they can get out would be fine. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 426	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:30:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc are you insinuating that in order to pilot a HAV the operator must wear some kind of super squishy light frame? Just the thought gave me the evil chuckles. Well, maybe. Or maybe just force them to go down with the ship if they're being badly badly damaged. I prefer that when someone enters an HAV, they can no longer leave it until popped or go to a supply depot to change. Even just a 5 seconds timer before they can get out would be fine. But when would the timer start and end? as soon as you enter? As soon as you press the exit button? What if you pressed the exit button and changed your mind before the 5 seconds kicked you out?
The Attorney General 1775	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:39:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Two points. 1. As always, never travel alone. Going solo in New Eden is never really a good idea. 2. When pilot suits finally show up, this behaviour should change, hopefully into soft scout suits with sidearms only. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3583	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:40:00 - [29] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. I'm bored.
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1383	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:41:00 - [30] - Quote I hate the fact I destroy three mad dogs and a few militia tanks and all I receive in ISK is 199K Its BS that a tanker can stomp all over infantry and make twice what I make in killing these damn tanks TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game

Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 155	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:44:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. Using someone's logic against them Very effective Fear The Tribes // Standings Minmatar 5 // Gallente 5
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5627	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:05:00 - [32] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc are you insinuating that in order to pilot a HAV the operator must wear some kind of super squishy light frame? Just the thought gave me the evil chuckles. Well, maybe. Or maybe just force them to go down with the ship if they're being badly badly damaged. I prefer that when someone enters an HAV, they can no longer leave it until popped or go to a supply depot to change. Even just a 5 seconds timer before they can get out would be fine. But when would the timer start and end? as soon as you enter? As soon as you press the exit button? What if you pressed the exit button and changed your mind before the 5 seconds kicked you out? It should be hold circle, like hacking. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1054	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:09:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. My trolling was clearly a little too subtle, sorry Atiim. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5628	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:11:00 - [34] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Atiim wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. My trolling was clearly a little too subtle, sorry Atiim. It's ok, I was caught in the net too. Though I was surprised, I remembered you as being in my "not stupid" list Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5628	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:12:00 - [35] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Two points. 1. As always, never travel alone. Going solo in New Eden is never really a good idea. 2. When pilot suits finally show up, this behaviour should change, hopefully into soft scout suits with sidearms only. 1. Unless you're a tank 2. When pilot suits how up, tanks are going to be even more powerful. :S Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 431	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:28:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: It should be hold circle, like hacking. Ah yes. yes. That makes sense and seems a plausible solution.
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 700	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:33:00 - [37] - Quote 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1057	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:34:00 - [38] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Though I was surprised, I remembered you as being in my "not stupid" list I wonder how many pens you wore out making that list for this community. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 700	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:34:00 - [39] - Quote Anyways, I think there should be get in/get out animations for vehicles. Would love to see myself climbing into and out of the pod in a HAV, and that would give you the time to shoot me if I'm climbing into or out of it. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2183	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:38:00 - [40] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Two points. 1. As always, never travel alone. Going solo in New Eden is never really a good idea. 2. When pilot suits finally show up, this behaviour should change, hopefully into soft scout suits with sidearms only. 1. Unless you're a tank 2. When pilot suits how up, tanks are going to be even more powerful. :S I understand but you have to remember that ccp is going to balance them, they are not finished. In fact nearly all these tank threads are just spam and void because people forget that the vehicles are not finished. Feedback is good though. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

Our Deepest Regret L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 488	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:40:00 - [41] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. Excellent trolling. Superb!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5633	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:41:00 - [42] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? Gallente Assault. SMG's <<< RR Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 433	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:47:00 - [43] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? So to effectively kill the tank in his scenario he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, RE's then snipe a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing (since standing still to get a good shot against a railgun is not a viable option) , or somehow use willpower to force the bullets of the SMG to fire in a tight dispersion? I see your logic there.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7935	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:51:00 - [44] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? So to effectively kill the tank in his scenario he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, RE's then snipe a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing (since standing still to get a good shot against a railgun is not a viable option) , or somehow use willpower to force the bullets of the SMG to fire in a tight dispersion? I see your logic there. No, he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, plasma cannon, forge gun, RE's, then sniped a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 701	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:54:00 - [45] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? So to effectively kill the tank in his scenario he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, RE's then snipe a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing (since standing still to get a good shot against a railgun is not a viable option) , or somehow use willpower to force the bullets of the SMG to fire in a tight dispersion? I see your logic there. Wut? lol dumbass, RE's, fluxes, nanohive, srwarms, a SMG, and a LAV is my AV fit. works everytime. There's other ways, but I don't feel like going away from this, as it's not broke. Maybe try being more creative? "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 701	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:56:00 - [46] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? Gallente Assault. SMG's <<< RR well, if you're going to lose, avoid the heavy as much as possible, plant the RE's, and blow it to hell, then escape under the fireworks. I've done that in a Gal Scout, was amazing. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 339	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:58:00 - [47] - Quote We will stop doing this when pilot suits come out. It's a light frame with hopefully a sidearm, an equipment, and extremely limited slot layout. Also your title is what's very broken with tanks and your subject matter is you crying a heavy gunned you down like a *****. Some might say git gud. I run a forge and a toxin on my "pilot" suit and i jump out and gun people down regularly. Smg too good. It's the same weapon you have acess to when you have an AV in primary.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5635	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:59:00 - [48] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? Gallente Assault. SMG's <<< RR well, if you're going to lose, avoid the heavy as much as possible, plant the RE's, and blow it to hell, then escape under the fireworks. I've done that in a Gal Scout, was amazing. I have a nanohive, there is not enough spare ammo on swarm launcher. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5635	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:01:00 - [49] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: We will stop doing this when pilot suits come out. It's a light frame with hopefully a sidearm, an equipment, and extremely limited slot layout. Also your title is what's very broken with tanks and your subject matter is you crying a heavy gunned you down like a *****. Some might say git gud. I run a forge and a toxin on my "pilot" suit and i jump out and gun people down regularly. Smg too good. It's the same weapon you have acess to when you have an AV in primary. Ah, but you're a heavy, you can soak up damage while you do that. I'm a medium frame that has half the HP, and that heavy killed me before I could bring half his shields down with the SMG. There is no git gud in this situation, the only thing I could do better is bring a tank myself. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 437	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:01:00 - [50] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? So to effectively kill the tank in his scenario he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, RE's then snipe a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing (since standing still to get a good shot against a railgun is not a viable option) , or somehow use willpower to force the bullets of the SMG to fire in a tight dispersion? I see your logic there. No, he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, plasma cannon, forge gun, RE's, then sniped a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing. Let's see the strategies for using a Sica to take down an HAV in that situation : Line up the reticle then fire. Pilot jumps out, his weapon fires uselessly against you. Line up the reticle then fire. I feel humbled in the presence of such skill.

Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 438	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:12:00 - [51] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? So to effectively kill the tank in his scenario he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, RE's then snipe a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing (since standing still to get a good shot against a railgun is not a viable option) , or somehow use willpower to force the bullets of the SMG to fire in a tight dispersion? I see your logic there. Wut? lol dumbass, RE's, fluxes, nanohive, srwarms, a SMG, and a LAV is my AV fit. works everytime. There's other ways, but I don't feel like going away from this, as it's not broke. Maybe try being more creative? Perhaps that sentence would work better to prove your point then "Where's the fluxes and RE's?". Reading your mind is not a skill i own.
Rusty Shallows 820	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:40:00 - [52] - Quote T8R Raid wrote: In/out timers would be a beautiful thing, would remove all the LAV losers. I've watched this one fatty in a LAV drive around for 5 minutes until he found one guy on his own. He jumped out, I blew up his LAV(im on a redline turret), must have a hurt a little cause the dude he was jumping merced him in 1 second flat with a rail rifle. I've seen it go the exact other way too. They just drive til they can find a fight they can win, and until they stop, you cant destroy the lav without a rail gun. In/out timers, even 1 second would put a stop to this loser tactic. If you can't make it on the frontline with a fat suit, you're well deserving of the title 'scrub'. Murder Taxing is a time honored tradition dating back to Chromosome. A squishy LAV and a suicidal charge in an Ambush was a great reason to bring AV Grenades. During the HMG nerf to the desert of Uprising solo people who wanted to use HMGs had to take up Murder Taxing in order to gain tactical advantage or they would regularly die fast to controlled AR fire in the face and upper torso. Of course the smart Fatties went Murder Taxi 2.0 in Logi-LAVs. Your idea that the current Heavy Frames are frontline suits is misguided. Whatever the correctly tanked Medium Frame(s) with one of the Big-Four Rifles are the frontline suit(s). Currently Heavy Frames are slightly (or somewhat) crappy buffer tanks that require various tricks to make them work. Such as: remote repping, Murder Taxing, or those maniacs who throw Complex Kin-Cats on for the lulz. I can't wait to see if the forthcoming variants change this situation. If people are still holding onto Murder Taxing it may mean that Rifles are still clearly better than HMGs in upfront firefights. I don't know. But I will find out next week during the bonus SP Event. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Harpyja molon labe. Public Disorder. 1117	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:52:00 - [53] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? There is also a cruiser sized turret, the rapid light missile launcher, designed for killing frigates. But it's useless against anything bigger because it lacks the punch. Blaster turrets are just like this: good against smaller things but useless against larger things. Railguns and missiles have their difficulty with killing infantry already, and it takes skill to do so. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
8213 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1357	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:07:00 - [54] - Quote Also, tank explosions don't hurt the driver. If you stand next to anything that explodes in this game, you're dead. But the tank driver can jump out at the last second while his tank blows up and he'll not get a scratch on him, leaving him to easily shoot the unarmed AV player. Tankers always forgot about the balance of Tanks, AV, and infantry. Infantry is good against other infantry and AVers and defenseless against tanks AV is only good against tanks, and defenseless against infantry Tanks are good against everything including other tanks AVers have it way harder than tankers ever did. They die 3-4x on average per tank they kill, because infantry can just shoot them down. They have to deal with a tank shooting at them as well as mercs... That's why so many have starting using CHEAPER and more EFFECTIVE methods to take out tanks like Militia tanks and Jhad Jeeps. Using AV is pointless and wasteful at this point in the game. Fish in a bucket!
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 225	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:13:00 - [55] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? You're wrong for a few reasons - the first being drones, the second is heavy energy neuts, the third is absolutely absurd hp totals allow more room for a battleship to make mistakes, the fourth is smartbombs or extreme range. Frigates make great tacklers because they can be difficult to deal with while other ships provide the real damage, that doesn't mean frigates are impossible to deal with.
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 340	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:05:00 - [56] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: We will stop doing this when pilot suits come out. It's a light frame with hopefully a sidearm, an equipment, and extremely limited slot layout. Also your title is what's very broken with tanks and your subject matter is you crying a heavy gunned you down like a *****. Some might say git gud. I run a forge and a toxin on my "pilot" suit and i jump out and gun people down regularly. Smg too good. It's the same weapon you have acess to when you have an AV in primary. Ah, but you're a heavy, you can soak up damage while you do that. I'm a medium frame that has half the HP, and that heavy killed me before I could bring half his shields down with the SMG. There is no git gud in this situation, the only thing I could do better is bring a tank myself. I'd say 80% of real tankers have almost 0 dropsuit skill points. A six kin Smg melts any dropsuit in the game in under two seconds. You're in the advantage here youre just bad. When we jump out we are completely disoriented as well. Again this will be solved when the pilot suit releases so stop crying and wait patiently like we are. Pilot suit coming in 1.3 dontcha know. Oh wait 1.4? 1.5.... 6.... 7.... 8....
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3593	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:13:00 - [57] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: I'd say 80% of real tankers have almost 0 dropsuit skill points. A six kin Smg melts any dropsuit in the game in under two seconds. You're in the advantage here youre just bad. When we jump out we are completely disoriented as well. Again this will be solved when the pilot suit releases so stop crying and wait patiently like we are. Pilot suit coming in 1.3 dontcha know. Oh wait 1.4? 1.5.... 6.... 7.... 8.... Well you clearly have no theoretical credibility nor idea of what your talking about in terms of infantry weapons. What's the optimal range on that Six Kin again? Now what's the optimal on 'dem rifles? You may sit down now. You say this, yet you still have yet to take KingBabar up on his challenge. Either put weight behind what your saying or sit down at the kiddie table and sip on your apple juice. Considering how there have been multiple threads asking when the pilot suits are going to come; you aren't waiting patiently. Are you always this hypocritical? Get back in your tank dude. I'm bored.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1595	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:22:00 - [58] - Quote Having a heavy jump out at you using a rail rifle is easy mode lol. I went up against a tanker (railsniping) I snuck up on it in a scout suit planted one RE on it planted the second then before the third could land a proto heavy jumps out and kills me instantly with his Gastuns HMG. He then called in another tank and recalled his old one to remove the RE's and because it seems he called in the new before recalling the old he didn't have to wait very long for another tank. What makes this worse? do you know what they guy in the tank using a heavy suit and an officer HMG did with his new tank to be doubly sure no one would try and hurt him? He drove it back to the redline and sat inside his tank behind a building for the rest of the game. I mean if he died losing an officer weapon is painful and the tank and proto suit would cost a pretty penny but the whole risk/reward is a bit pointless when you get people who refuse to play if they see risk, same applies to thales snipers at the rear of their redline quitting the match as soon as some one lands a shot even vaguely close to them. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5646	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:14:00 - [59] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: We will stop doing this when pilot suits come out. It's a light frame with hopefully a sidearm, an equipment, and extremely limited slot layout. Also your title is what's very broken with tanks and your subject matter is you crying a heavy gunned you down like a ***. Some might say git gud. I run a forge and a toxin on my "pilot" suit and i jump out and gun people down regularly. Smg too good. It's the same weapon you have acess to when you have an AV in primary. Ah, but you're a heavy, you can soak up damage while you do that. I'm a medium frame that has half the HP, and that heavy killed me before I could bring half his shields down with the SMG. There is no git gud in this situation, the only thing I could do better is bring a tank myself. I'd say 80% of real tankers have almost 0 dropsuit skill points. A six kin Smg melts any dropsuit in the game in under two seconds. You're in the advantage here youre just bad. When we jump out we are completely disoriented as well. Again this will be solved when the pilot suit releases so stop crying and wait patiently like we are. Pilot suit coming in 1.3 dontcha know. Oh wait 1.4? 1.5.... 6.... 7.... 8.... Six Kin SMG on a squishy Assault <<< Heavy with a Rail Rifle Rail ***** Rifle Get it into your head Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1063	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:34:00 - [60] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. I believe the proper responses are "You have a CQC sidearm, get gud." "Call in your tank to fight, HTFU." "Coordinate with more then one AV to counter a single man, stop being skillless" Then tell everyone else they need to use more tactics with more teamates to prevent them from soloing the entire battlefield for 15 minutes. It must be nice to forgo the burden of common sense. The proper response is, "no self respecting tanker should be in anything other than a light suit and should go down with the tank". If you are going to be in a heavy suit and get out to shoot then go infantry. Better get used to those light suits anyway for when they add pilot suits. Yes, I do think it's stupid to allow ppl to use a heavy suit for all occasions and to mix and match for roles. Has to be somethng to force light suit use for things that don't require a much suit at all. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!

Alpha 443-6732 307	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:39:00 - [61] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. They should make burning vehicles impossible to exit. Because racism is realism
Alpha 443-6732 307	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:43:00 - [62] - Quote Atiim wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. AV is more than just your handheld pea shooters Because racism is realism
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 160	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:58:00 - [63] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Delta90212 wrote: In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? You're wrong for a few reasons - the first being drones, the second is heavy energy neuts, the third is absolutely absurd hp totals allow more room for a battleship to make mistakes, the fourth is smartbombs or extreme range. Frigates make great tacklers because they can be difficult to deal with while other ships provide the real damage, that doesn't mean frigates are impossible to deal with. I didn't say frigates were impossible to deal with i meant that turrets have a long lock on time and are usually too slow to keep up with the frigate making it a bit of a annoyance, of course you can still deploy drones out of your drone bay to get rid of it Fear The Tribes // Standings Minmatar 5 // Gallente 5
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5648	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:44:00 - [64] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. AV is more than just your handheld pea shooters Well, I was about to argue with you, but you're right. Swarms launchers = Pea shooter Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5876	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:46:00 - [65] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Tanking is also a thankless job. I haven't even had one "Thanks True for keeping 5 enemy HAV off of our arses for that whole match". "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5649	Posted - 2014.01.18 12:01:00 - [66] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Tanking is also a thankless job. I haven't even had one "Thanks True for keeping 5 enemy HAV off of our arses for that whole match". Actually I do thank the tankers that I squad with and save our asses from HAV's. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5877	Posted - 2014.01.18 12:26:00 - [67] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Tanking is also a thankless job. I haven't even had one "Thanks True for keeping 5 enemy HAV off of our arses for that whole match". Actually I do thank the tankers that I squad with and save our asses from HAV's. I wish I was in your squad. I down 9 HAV for my Team in a single Soma and I get not one Hey True GG, nice that you took down all 9 of those HAV for us since if you hadn't they would have run rampant. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5650	Posted - 2014.01.18 12:30:00 - [68] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Tanking is also a thankless job. I haven't even had one "Thanks True for keeping 5 enemy HAV off of our arses for that whole match". Actually I do thank the tankers that I squad with and save our asses from HAV's. I wish I was in your squad. I down 9 HAV for my Team in a single Soma and I get not one Hey True GG, nice that you took down all 9 of those HAV for us since if you hadn't they would have run rampant. It's about running with the right people. I tend to also support my tankers with AV fire to make sure their toy survives the fight Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 22	Posted - 2014.01.18 12:58:00 - [69] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Tanking is also a thankless job. I haven't even had one "Thanks True for keeping 5 enemy HAV off of our arses for that whole match". Actually I do thank the tankers that I squad with and save our asses from HAV's. I wish I was in your squad. I down 9 HAV for my Team in a single Soma and I get not one Hey True GG, nice that you took down all 9 of those HAV for us since if you hadn't they would have run rampant. Dude, if your squadmates aren't showing thanks when you blow up enemy tanks then you need to play with better (mannered) people. I don't think I've ever been in a squad that didn't have celebratory shouts when an enemy tank goes down. I have JJ'd tanks (not proud of it, but the spamming gets ridiclulous sometimes), AV'd tanks (solo with my forge, you know who you are), tank'd tanks (mostly unsuccessfully) and RE'd tanks (we call it decorating) . If a tank wants to be a little ***** and run hide when he's been punched in the face let him. I'll hit him again when he gets his little bollocks back.
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1276	Posted - 2014.01.18 13:14:00 - [70] - Quote Make swarm launchers and plasma cannons fit into side arm slot. Rename the side arm slot to the "secondary weaponry" slot. Since tanks are effective against both vehicles AND infantry, infantry should have the same option. Also, swarm launchers and plasma cannons being primary weapons does not make sense in terms of gameplay. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3609	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:31:00 - [71] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Atiim wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. My trolling was clearly a little too subtle, sorry Atiim. Nah, it's my fault sorry. I just got out of a thread where I had to deal with Tankahiro and Spkr4TheDead, so I accidentally jumped the gun there. I'm bored.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2241	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:34:00 - [72] - Quote OP is an idiot Intelligence is OP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3609	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:35:00 - [73] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. AV is more than just your handheld pea shooters Because tanking is more than just an "ez-mode" steel box I'm bored.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3609	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:36:00 - [74] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is an idiot Pot meet Kettle. I'm bored.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5666	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:40:00 - [75] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is an idiot Ah right, I forgot that to be effective as AV you need to bring tanks, otherwise you're an idiot. Thanks Taka! Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3610	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:43:00 - [76] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Honestly, I'd just add a timer for exiting vehicles. Maybe 10s for HAVs, and 6s for Dropships and LAVs. AV is the most thankless job in the game. You spend the entire match AVing just to go 1/9 or 2/2 with 4-500 WP. A member fresh out the academy can pull of higher numbers than that. While HAVs can go 32/1 or 60/2 with 2-3k WP. I'm bored.
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:47:00 - [77] - Quote How many people have actually skilled their swarm launchers to a decent level? I mean I feel like people are complaining that their militia swarm launcher can blow up a proto tank. With an advanced Swarm launcher I can deal with most tanks solo. Not easy but it's possible. I think what a lot of people are forgetting that if you and someone else both go after a tank, the tank is done for. It's okay that you can't solo a tank without working for it. I feel like most people want to spend 30,000 on a swarm launcher and expect to kill a 150k tank. I'm fairly certain two people on swarm launchers can take any tank. The problem is when you get 3 tanks together.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5666	Posted - 2014.01.18 14:52:00 - [78] - Quote Scott Knight wrote: How many people have actually skilled their swarm launchers to a decent level? I mean I feel like people are complaining that their militia swarm launcher can blow up a proto tank. With an advanced Swarm launcher I can deal with most tanks solo. Not easy but it's possible. I think what a lot of people are forgetting that if you and someone else both go after a tank, the tank is done for. It's okay that you can't solo a tank without working for it. I feel like most people want to spend 30,000 on a swarm launcher and expect to kill a 150k tank. I'm fairly certain two people on swarm launchers can take any tank. The problem is when you get 3 tanks together. Actually read the thread will you? I am using a proto swarm with damage mods, killing the tank wasn't the problem. The problem was how he could so easily get out and murder the defenseless AV person. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3610	Posted - 2014.01.18 15:09:00 - [79] - Quote Scott Knight wrote: How many people have actually skilled their swarm launchers to a decent level? I mean I feel like people are complaining that their militia swarm launcher can blow up a proto tank. With an advanced Swarm launcher I can deal with most tanks solo. Not easy but it's possible. I think what a lot of people are forgetting that if you and someone else both go after a tank, the tank is done for. It's okay that you can't solo a tank without working for it. I feel like most people want to spend 30,000 on a swarm launcher and expect to kill a 150k tank. I'm fairly certain two people on swarm launchers can take any tank. The problem is when you get 3 tanks together. Operation V, Proficency V, Ammo V, Reload V, and Optimization IV. Killing a tanker who doesn't know what they are doing does not count. I've seen a guy in a starter fit kill Alldin Kan when Alldin was AFK once. Would that make the guy in the starter fit a "pro player?" Also Goric Rumis wrote: This is going to be my one and only post in response to the least productive but most vocal person in the vehicle/AV debate: Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. 1. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I know a dropship pilot who six months ago was able to stay in the air a whole game, move troops around, get kills, and never get shot out of the sky--and I saw him do it in Planetary Conquest, Factional Warfare, and pub matches. Does that mean dropships were balanced and pilots just needed to HTFU and adapt? I don't believe that, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that. 2. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. Balance in a role-based game is predicated on the idea that a role that is strong in one way is weak in another. Therefore the question is not whether AV are capable of destroying tanks, it's a question of what they have to give up to do it, and whether they're being proportionately compensated for their weaknesses in their area of strength. Right now, people are using militia tanks and suicide LAVs because they're able to accomplish the job better without making sacrifices. Just because they could do the job with forge guns and swarm launchers doesn't mean it's the best way to get it done--and if you can get better results without sacrificing flexibility, why wouldn't you? 3. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I want to emphasize this point because you seem to be under the delusion that what is possible must be balanced. Tankers didn't believe this in 1.6, despite many of them going multiple matches without being destroyed. There are scouts who run around in ninja fits with nova knives--they get kills, therefore they are balanced? I regularly go positive on my skill-less alt with starter fits, so obviously a starter fit is just as good as a proto. There's not a problem with the matchmaking system, people just need to learn to adapt. 4. And finally: Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You talk about teamwork, but what you really mean is buddy-work. If I'm working on a team, and not just out to kill vehicles, I likely have a more important responsibility than chasing down tanks the whole game. Because while I'm off chasing one tank, me and my buddy are leaving the rest of the team defenseless against any other vehicle that decides to sidle up and give them hell. That's not teamwork, that's selfishness. These are the reasons why your anecdotes and continuing posts are irrelevant. You're setting out to prove a limited point, with limited applicability, and pretending as though the results prove some universal truth. But of course I'm doing this for the benefit of the people reading your threads, not for you yourself. You've already made up your mind, and wouldn't change it if I presented you with a thousand pages of hard, incontrovertible evidence. So to all of you who have any sense, I leave you this TL;DR: Don't feed the troll. If you don't respond to his posts, they will just disappear into the archive. Let them. (I'm gonna send Goric some ISK, as he deserves so royalties on this) I'm bored.
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.01.18 16:05:00 - [80] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Scott Knight wrote: How many people have actually skilled their swarm launchers to a decent level? I mean I feel like people are complaining that their militia swarm launcher can blow up a proto tank. With an advanced Swarm launcher I can deal with most tanks solo. Not easy but it's possible. I think what a lot of people are forgetting that if you and someone else both go after a tank, the tank is done for. It's okay that you can't solo a tank without working for it. I feel like most people want to spend 30,000 on a swarm launcher and expect to kill a 150k tank. I'm fairly certain two people on swarm launchers can take any tank. The problem is when you get 3 tanks together. Actually read the thread will you? I am using a proto swarm with damage mods, killing the tank wasn't the problem. The problem was how he could so easily get out and murder the defenseless AV person. I have. Though you are right the op does mention people getting out of tanks. There should probably be a delay or something. I've had the same issue. Granted with more skill I would have came out on top.

Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.01.18 16:11:00 - [81] - Quote [quote=Atiim] Operation V, Proficency V, Ammo V, Reload V, and Optimization IV. Killing a tanker who doesn't know what they are doing does not count. I've seen a guy in a starter fit kill Alldin Kan when Alldin was AFK once. [/quote ] So I'm guessing Alldin is someone awesome? Regardless I people need some more practice and to accept that they shouldn't be able to solo a tank. If you could solo a tank then two swarm launchers would wipe one of the map with little chance of survival. I think what actually needs to be done is the lock on range of swarm launchers needs to be increased.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 166	Posted - 2014.01.18 16:37:00 - [82] - Quote Atiim wrote: -snip- Goric Rumis wrote: This is going to be my one and only post in response to the least productive but most vocal person in the vehicle/AV debate: Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. 1. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I know a dropship pilot who six months ago was able to stay in the air a whole game, move troops around, get kills, and never get shot out of the sky--and I saw him do it in Planetary Conquest, Factional Warfare, and pub matches. Does that mean dropships were balanced and pilots just needed to HTFU and adapt? I don't believe that, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that. 2. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. Balance in a role-based game is predicated on the idea that a role that is strong in one way is weak in another. Therefore the question is not whether AV are capable of destroying tanks, it's a question of what they have to give up to do it, and whether they're being proportionately compensated for their weaknesses in their area of strength. Right now, people are using militia tanks and suicide LAVs because they're able to accomplish the job better without making sacrifices. Just because they could do the job with forge guns and swarm launchers doesn't mean it's the best way to get it done--and if you can get better results without sacrificing flexibility, why wouldn't you? 3. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I want to emphasize this point because you seem to be under the delusion that what is possible must be balanced. Tankers didn't believe this in 1.6, despite many of them going multiple matches without being destroyed. There are scouts who run around in ninja fits with nova knives--they get kills, therefore they are balanced? I regularly go positive on my skill-less alt with starter fits, so obviously a starter fit is just as good as a proto. There's not a problem with the matchmaking system, people just need to learn to adapt. 4. And finally: Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You talk about teamwork, but what you really mean is buddy-work. If I'm working on a team, and not just out to kill vehicles, I likely have a more important responsibility than chasing down tanks the whole game. Because while I'm off chasing one tank, me and my buddy are leaving the rest of the team defenseless against any other vehicle that decides to sidle up and give them hell. That's not teamwork, that's selfishness. These are the reasons why your anecdotes and continuing posts are irrelevant. You're setting out to prove a limited point, with limited applicability, and pretending as though the results prove some universal truth. But of course I'm doing this for the benefit of the people reading your threads, not for you yourself. You've already made up your mind, and wouldn't change it if I presented you with a thousand pages of hard, incontrovertible evidence. So to all of you who have any sense, I leave you this TL;DR: Don't feed the troll. If you don't respond to his posts, they will just disappear into the archive. Let them. (I'm gonna send Goric some ISK, as he deserves so royalties on this) You might also want to let him know that the underlined portion is contradictory to what he is saying and in direct contradiction to Item 1.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 487	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:50:00 - [83] - Quote Here's a thought. In Eve, if you leave your ship, anyone can hop in and take it. Why not do the same for dust? Remove having to hack a vehicle to take it. That'll convince some people not to jump out.
Cedric Reeg Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 9	Posted - 2014.01.18 19:08:00 - [84] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc are you insinuating that in order to pilot a HAV the operator must wear some kind of super squishy light frame? Just the thought gave me the evil chuckles. Got a rage mail yesterday about this VERY thing, using dragonfly scout suit inside my tank. :D To the Battleship vs Frigate comparison: In EVE a computer is doing the targeting for you. In DUST your eyes and hands + your brain do this. I.E. Motion prediction is a skill in EVE which helps the tracking of moving targets while using turrets. In EVE it's me thinking "infantry is going this way, I will shoot in front of him so he runs into the stream of bullets."


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