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Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 155	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:44:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. Using someone's logic against them Very effective Fear The Tribes // Standings Minmatar 5 // Gallente 5
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5627	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:05:00 - [32] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Cat Merc are you insinuating that in order to pilot a HAV the operator must wear some kind of super squishy light frame? Just the thought gave me the evil chuckles. Well, maybe. Or maybe just force them to go down with the ship if they're being badly badly damaged. I prefer that when someone enters an HAV, they can no longer leave it until popped or go to a supply depot to change. Even just a 5 seconds timer before they can get out would be fine. But when would the timer start and end? as soon as you enter? As soon as you press the exit button? What if you pressed the exit button and changed your mind before the 5 seconds kicked you out? It should be hold circle, like hacking. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1054	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:09:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. My trolling was clearly a little too subtle, sorry Atiim. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5628	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:11:00 - [34] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Atiim wrote: R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. But it's AV. It's supposed to demolish vehicles. My trolling was clearly a little too subtle, sorry Atiim. It's ok, I was caught in the net too. Though I was surprised, I remembered you as being in my "not stupid" list Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5628	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:12:00 - [35] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Two points. 1. As always, never travel alone. Going solo in New Eden is never really a good idea. 2. When pilot suits finally show up, this behaviour should change, hopefully into soft scout suits with sidearms only. 1. Unless you're a tank 2. When pilot suits how up, tanks are going to be even more powerful. :S Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 431	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:28:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: It should be hold circle, like hacking. Ah yes. yes. That makes sense and seems a plausible solution.
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 700	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:33:00 - [37] - Quote 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1057	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:34:00 - [38] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Though I was surprised, I remembered you as being in my "not stupid" list I wonder how many pens you wore out making that list for this community. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 700	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:34:00 - [39] - Quote Anyways, I think there should be get in/get out animations for vehicles. Would love to see myself climbing into and out of the pod in a HAV, and that would give you the time to shoot me if I'm climbing into or out of it. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2183	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:38:00 - [40] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. Two points. 1. As always, never travel alone. Going solo in New Eden is never really a good idea. 2. When pilot suits finally show up, this behaviour should change, hopefully into soft scout suits with sidearms only. 1. Unless you're a tank 2. When pilot suits how up, tanks are going to be even more powerful. :S I understand but you have to remember that ccp is going to balance them, they are not finished. In fact nearly all these tank threads are just spam and void because people forget that the vehicles are not finished. Feedback is good though. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

Our Deepest Regret L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 488	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:40:00 - [41] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: No, its a tank. Its supposed to murder infantry. Excellent trolling. Superb!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5633	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:41:00 - [42] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? Gallente Assault. SMG's <<< RR Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 433	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:47:00 - [43] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? So to effectively kill the tank in his scenario he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, RE's then snipe a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing (since standing still to get a good shot against a railgun is not a viable option) , or somehow use willpower to force the bullets of the SMG to fire in a tight dispersion? I see your logic there.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7935	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:51:00 - [44] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? So to effectively kill the tank in his scenario he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, RE's then snipe a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing (since standing still to get a good shot against a railgun is not a viable option) , or somehow use willpower to force the bullets of the SMG to fire in a tight dispersion? I see your logic there. No, he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, plasma cannon, forge gun, RE's, then sniped a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 701	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:54:00 - [45] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? So to effectively kill the tank in his scenario he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, RE's then snipe a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing (since standing still to get a good shot against a railgun is not a viable option) , or somehow use willpower to force the bullets of the SMG to fire in a tight dispersion? I see your logic there. Wut? lol dumbass, RE's, fluxes, nanohive, srwarms, a SMG, and a LAV is my AV fit. works everytime. There's other ways, but I don't feel like going away from this, as it's not broke. Maybe try being more creative? "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 701	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:56:00 - [46] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? Gallente Assault. SMG's <<< RR well, if you're going to lose, avoid the heavy as much as possible, plant the RE's, and blow it to hell, then escape under the fireworks. I've done that in a Gal Scout, was amazing. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 339	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:58:00 - [47] - Quote We will stop doing this when pilot suits come out. It's a light frame with hopefully a sidearm, an equipment, and extremely limited slot layout. Also your title is what's very broken with tanks and your subject matter is you crying a heavy gunned you down like a *****. Some might say git gud. I run a forge and a toxin on my "pilot" suit and i jump out and gun people down regularly. Smg too good. It's the same weapon you have acess to when you have an AV in primary.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5635	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:59:00 - [48] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? Gallente Assault. SMG's <<< RR well, if you're going to lose, avoid the heavy as much as possible, plant the RE's, and blow it to hell, then escape under the fireworks. I've done that in a Gal Scout, was amazing. I have a nanohive, there is not enough spare ammo on swarm launcher. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5635	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:01:00 - [49] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: We will stop doing this when pilot suits come out. It's a light frame with hopefully a sidearm, an equipment, and extremely limited slot layout. Also your title is what's very broken with tanks and your subject matter is you crying a heavy gunned you down like a *****. Some might say git gud. I run a forge and a toxin on my "pilot" suit and i jump out and gun people down regularly. Smg too good. It's the same weapon you have acess to when you have an AV in primary. Ah, but you're a heavy, you can soak up damage while you do that. I'm a medium frame that has half the HP, and that heavy killed me before I could bring half his shields down with the SMG. There is no git gud in this situation, the only thing I could do better is bring a tank myself. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 437	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:01:00 - [50] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? So to effectively kill the tank in his scenario he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, RE's then snipe a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing (since standing still to get a good shot against a railgun is not a viable option) , or somehow use willpower to force the bullets of the SMG to fire in a tight dispersion? I see your logic there. No, he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, plasma cannon, forge gun, RE's, then sniped a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing. Let's see the strategies for using a Sica to take down an HAV in that situation : Line up the reticle then fire. Pilot jumps out, his weapon fires uselessly against you. Line up the reticle then fire. I feel humbled in the presence of such skill.

Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 438	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:12:00 - [51] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: 1: Stop using Logi's as AV fits. Or at least use an Amarr Logi 2: SCP or aim for the head, or SMG and be a good shot. 3: Where's the fluxes, and RE's? So to effectively kill the tank in his scenario he should have brought AV nades, flux nades, swarm launcher, RE's then snipe a Heavy suit in the head with a SCP while strafing (since standing still to get a good shot against a railgun is not a viable option) , or somehow use willpower to force the bullets of the SMG to fire in a tight dispersion? I see your logic there. Wut? lol dumbass, RE's, fluxes, nanohive, srwarms, a SMG, and a LAV is my AV fit. works everytime. There's other ways, but I don't feel like going away from this, as it's not broke. Maybe try being more creative? Perhaps that sentence would work better to prove your point then "Where's the fluxes and RE's?". Reading your mind is not a skill i own.
Rusty Shallows 820	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:40:00 - [52] - Quote T8R Raid wrote: In/out timers would be a beautiful thing, would remove all the LAV losers. I've watched this one fatty in a LAV drive around for 5 minutes until he found one guy on his own. He jumped out, I blew up his LAV(im on a redline turret), must have a hurt a little cause the dude he was jumping merced him in 1 second flat with a rail rifle. I've seen it go the exact other way too. They just drive til they can find a fight they can win, and until they stop, you cant destroy the lav without a rail gun. In/out timers, even 1 second would put a stop to this loser tactic. If you can't make it on the frontline with a fat suit, you're well deserving of the title 'scrub'. Murder Taxing is a time honored tradition dating back to Chromosome. A squishy LAV and a suicidal charge in an Ambush was a great reason to bring AV Grenades. During the HMG nerf to the desert of Uprising solo people who wanted to use HMGs had to take up Murder Taxing in order to gain tactical advantage or they would regularly die fast to controlled AR fire in the face and upper torso. Of course the smart Fatties went Murder Taxi 2.0 in Logi-LAVs. Your idea that the current Heavy Frames are frontline suits is misguided. Whatever the correctly tanked Medium Frame(s) with one of the Big-Four Rifles are the frontline suit(s). Currently Heavy Frames are slightly (or somewhat) crappy buffer tanks that require various tricks to make them work. Such as: remote repping, Murder Taxing, or those maniacs who throw Complex Kin-Cats on for the lulz. I can't wait to see if the forthcoming variants change this situation. If people are still holding onto Murder Taxing it may mean that Rifles are still clearly better than HMGs in upfront firefights. I don't know. But I will find out next week during the bonus SP Event. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Harpyja molon labe. Public Disorder. 1117	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:52:00 - [53] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? There is also a cruiser sized turret, the rapid light missile launcher, designed for killing frigates. But it's useless against anything bigger because it lacks the punch. Blaster turrets are just like this: good against smaller things but useless against larger things. Railguns and missiles have their difficulty with killing infantry already, and it takes skill to do so. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
8213 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1357	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:07:00 - [54] - Quote Also, tank explosions don't hurt the driver. If you stand next to anything that explodes in this game, you're dead. But the tank driver can jump out at the last second while his tank blows up and he'll not get a scratch on him, leaving him to easily shoot the unarmed AV player. Tankers always forgot about the balance of Tanks, AV, and infantry. Infantry is good against other infantry and AVers and defenseless against tanks AV is only good against tanks, and defenseless against infantry Tanks are good against everything including other tanks AVers have it way harder than tankers ever did. They die 3-4x on average per tank they kill, because infantry can just shoot them down. They have to deal with a tank shooting at them as well as mercs... That's why so many have starting using CHEAPER and more EFFECTIVE methods to take out tanks like Militia tanks and Jhad Jeeps. Using AV is pointless and wasteful at this point in the game. Fish in a bucket!
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 225	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:13:00 - [55] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: In EvE if you would try to target a frigate in big ships you would have tons of trouble. So why not do the same in Dust? You're wrong for a few reasons - the first being drones, the second is heavy energy neuts, the third is absolutely absurd hp totals allow more room for a battleship to make mistakes, the fourth is smartbombs or extreme range. Frigates make great tacklers because they can be difficult to deal with while other ships provide the real damage, that doesn't mean frigates are impossible to deal with.
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 340	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:05:00 - [56] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: We will stop doing this when pilot suits come out. It's a light frame with hopefully a sidearm, an equipment, and extremely limited slot layout. Also your title is what's very broken with tanks and your subject matter is you crying a heavy gunned you down like a *****. Some might say git gud. I run a forge and a toxin on my "pilot" suit and i jump out and gun people down regularly. Smg too good. It's the same weapon you have acess to when you have an AV in primary. Ah, but you're a heavy, you can soak up damage while you do that. I'm a medium frame that has half the HP, and that heavy killed me before I could bring half his shields down with the SMG. There is no git gud in this situation, the only thing I could do better is bring a tank myself. I'd say 80% of real tankers have almost 0 dropsuit skill points. A six kin Smg melts any dropsuit in the game in under two seconds. You're in the advantage here youre just bad. When we jump out we are completely disoriented as well. Again this will be solved when the pilot suit releases so stop crying and wait patiently like we are. Pilot suit coming in 1.3 dontcha know. Oh wait 1.4? 1.5.... 6.... 7.... 8....
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3593	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:13:00 - [57] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: I'd say 80% of real tankers have almost 0 dropsuit skill points. A six kin Smg melts any dropsuit in the game in under two seconds. You're in the advantage here youre just bad. When we jump out we are completely disoriented as well. Again this will be solved when the pilot suit releases so stop crying and wait patiently like we are. Pilot suit coming in 1.3 dontcha know. Oh wait 1.4? 1.5.... 6.... 7.... 8.... Well you clearly have no theoretical credibility nor idea of what your talking about in terms of infantry weapons. What's the optimal range on that Six Kin again? Now what's the optimal on 'dem rifles? You may sit down now. You say this, yet you still have yet to take KingBabar up on his challenge. Either put weight behind what your saying or sit down at the kiddie table and sip on your apple juice. Considering how there have been multiple threads asking when the pilot suits are going to come; you aren't waiting patiently. Are you always this hypocritical? Get back in your tank dude. I'm bored.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1595	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:22:00 - [58] - Quote Having a heavy jump out at you using a rail rifle is easy mode lol. I went up against a tanker (railsniping) I snuck up on it in a scout suit planted one RE on it planted the second then before the third could land a proto heavy jumps out and kills me instantly with his Gastuns HMG. He then called in another tank and recalled his old one to remove the RE's and because it seems he called in the new before recalling the old he didn't have to wait very long for another tank. What makes this worse? do you know what they guy in the tank using a heavy suit and an officer HMG did with his new tank to be doubly sure no one would try and hurt him? He drove it back to the redline and sat inside his tank behind a building for the rest of the game. I mean if he died losing an officer weapon is painful and the tank and proto suit would cost a pretty penny but the whole risk/reward is a bit pointless when you get people who refuse to play if they see risk, same applies to thales snipers at the rear of their redline quitting the match as soon as some one lands a shot even vaguely close to them. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5646	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:14:00 - [59] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: We will stop doing this when pilot suits come out. It's a light frame with hopefully a sidearm, an equipment, and extremely limited slot layout. Also your title is what's very broken with tanks and your subject matter is you crying a heavy gunned you down like a ***. Some might say git gud. I run a forge and a toxin on my "pilot" suit and i jump out and gun people down regularly. Smg too good. It's the same weapon you have acess to when you have an AV in primary. Ah, but you're a heavy, you can soak up damage while you do that. I'm a medium frame that has half the HP, and that heavy killed me before I could bring half his shields down with the SMG. There is no git gud in this situation, the only thing I could do better is bring a tank myself. I'd say 80% of real tankers have almost 0 dropsuit skill points. A six kin Smg melts any dropsuit in the game in under two seconds. You're in the advantage here youre just bad. When we jump out we are completely disoriented as well. Again this will be solved when the pilot suit releases so stop crying and wait patiently like we are. Pilot suit coming in 1.3 dontcha know. Oh wait 1.4? 1.5.... 6.... 7.... 8.... Six Kin SMG on a squishy Assault <<< Heavy with a Rail Rifle Rail ***** Rifle Get it into your head Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1063	Posted - 2014.01.18 10:34:00 - [60] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I just sneaked up on a Rail Tank. Three AV grenades to the back, a couple of swarms, one more swarm and... wait... did it stop shooting? Oh no, no no no, **** no! Sigh He just got out with his heavy suit and rail rifle, and just gunned me down, the defenseless AV person. That's rather broken isn't it? Sigh... AV is such a thankless job, and even if you do everything you can to make sure the tank dies, the user will just jump out and kill you. I believe the proper responses are "You have a CQC sidearm, get gud." "Call in your tank to fight, HTFU." "Coordinate with more then one AV to counter a single man, stop being skillless" Then tell everyone else they need to use more tactics with more teamates to prevent them from soloing the entire battlefield for 15 minutes. It must be nice to forgo the burden of common sense. The proper response is, "no self respecting tanker should be in anything other than a light suit and should go down with the tank". If you are going to be in a heavy suit and get out to shoot then go infantry. Better get used to those light suits anyway for when they add pilot suits. Yes, I do think it's stupid to allow ppl to use a heavy suit for all occasions and to mix and match for roles. Has to be somethng to force light suit use for things that don't require a much suit at all. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!



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